00:01:00 <naphtha[m]> <monerobull[m]> "Nono that twitter is up since..." <- you can buy aged twitter accounts for like 20 cents each
00:01:03 <naphtha[m]> source: ive done it before
00:01:35 <naphtha[m]> or rather, you could, when i was still on twitter
00:01:50 <naphtha[m]> after i stopped using it elon joined and started his crusade against le evil bots
00:01:56 <naphtha[m]> not sure how successful it was
00:04:59 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Have they unborked nitter?
00:30:01 <RavFX[m]> I I don't think twitter will be available from the other aggregator until scamlon remove the restriction (He won't , he need do data mine you all to be profitable)
00:34:49 <RavFX[m]> Except if someone make a browser plugin to harvest the data. But then the success of the operation will depend of how much people would use it.
00:54:08 <spirobel[m]> <monerobull[m]> "the privacy is better because..." <- nah it is worse. A fediverse host has much more power than a reddit mod.
00:55:12 <spirobel[m]> <monerobull[m]> "yeah you really shouldnt post..." <- that would be good. realistically most fediverse content will be lost when the the hosters eventually lose interest and the instance shuts down.
02:02:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> kayabanerve:  do you know the standard size of seraphis 1:2 transaction, using the increased ring size 
02:03:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> I was just thinking.. thats a better comparison. Iirc, FCMP is less of a size increase from seraphis tx, than from current 16 decoy tx
06:54:08 <LebAnon[m]> <r4v3r23[m]> "i vote support the women of..." <- im lebanese
06:54:08 <LebAnon[m]> why are we talking about this lol
07:22:25 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> i know swear words in Lebanese does that count?
07:30:39 <LebAnon[m]> kek
07:30:39 <LebAnon[m]> ayree
07:30:39 <LebAnon[m]> i mean they talking about afghan whats our women got to do with this lol
07:32:31 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Habibti
07:50:59 <spirobel[m]> does Monero have enough wamen? 
07:57:49 <ocean[m]> nope we need a squad of cheerleaders
09:07:18 <monerobull[m]> <spirobel[m]> "does Monero have enough wamen?..." <- we have monerochan
09:07:21 <monerobull[m]> she is fungible 
09:07:24 <monerobull[m]> 😆
14:17:46 <plowsof11> meeting tomorrow: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/857 and another later on in #monero-events:monero.social 
14:25:56 <plowsof11> Vostoemisio script is linked in the github issue, i had confusion reading the "Monero model" paragraph specifically the part i have highlighted in the image below:
14:26:09 * plowsof11 uploaded an image: (111KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/LzuaVrIiDNfWGXhGLaKnGXvc/Screenshot%20from%202023-07-07%2015-25-37.png >
14:27:34 <naphtha[m]> <monerobull[m]> "she is fungible..." <- she funge on my mo then i nero
14:27:34 <plowsof11> for me, other than this, the whole thing is great 
14:28:07 <naphtha[m]> s/then/till/
14:29:24 <monerobull[m]> plowsof11: yeah that should be worded more clearly 
14:29:43 <monerobull[m]> this guys preliminary script looks better than my job applications
14:31:01 <plowsof11> my problem is i cant offer advice because i don't know the concept its trying to convey .. maybe.. miners spending their own money to 'bump the block chain size' ?
14:31:10 <plowsof11> s/block chain/block
14:31:58 <monerobull[m]> it means miners cant just increase the blocksize bcs they would loose out on blockreward
14:33:37 <plowsof11> is Tail Emission the defense? (a dumb 0.6 per block)
14:35:25 <plowsof11> the block reward being fixed* ? 🤷 😅
14:36:41 <plowsof11> <plowsof11> "Screenshot from 2023-07-07 15-25..." <- sech1 do you know what this is about?
14:43:57 <monerobull[m]> plowsof are you for real right now
14:44:32 <nioc> the block reward/tail emission enables the dynamic block size because penalties for too fast a block increase come from the block reward
14:44:47 <monerobull[m]> tail emission has two reasons to exist, one is securing the chain by offering miner incentives for a long time and the other is to enable dynamic blocksize
14:44:48 <nioc> if no block reward then no penalties are possible
14:45:16 <monerobull[m]> 👍️
14:45:39 <nioc> plowsof is learning AND he wants to learn  :)
14:47:53 <blankpage[m]> "Preventing fee markets from harming usage" -> "meaning Monero doesn't rely on an unstable fee market"
14:47:55 <plowsof11> ah "penalties for too fast a block increase come from the block reward" here is my confusion 
14:49:04 <blankpage[m]> I think the highlighted part is fairly clear tbh
14:49:19 <blankpage[m]> It is a difficult concept to get across in a few words
14:49:21 <Rucknium[m]> IMHO, tail emissions creates an elastic supply curve for block space. You can have dynamic block size without tail emission (have a hard limit that increases when block are nearly full), but the supply curve would probably be completely inelastic in that case.
14:49:53 <rbrunner> Well, at least in theory we could probably burn part of the fees to punish miners that build blocks that are too big ... so penalties possible even without block reward
14:50:26 <Rucknium[m]> For example, there is a proposal on the table for BCH to have a dynamic block size limit.
14:50:43 <plowsof11> so the 0.6 emission .. can drop below 0.6 if you're trying to be naughty?
14:50:59 <Rucknium[m]> (without changing how the block reward subsidy for bitcoin works)
14:51:52 <sech1> it drops below 0.6 every time we have a full block
14:52:11 <plowsof11> i did not know this 
14:52:12 <blankpage[m]> Maybe add ", because the amount of penalty is based on the mean average blocksize in the recent past." to the end
14:52:15 <sech1> https://p2pool.io/explorer/block/2924492
14:52:20 <sech1> Block reward:	0.599973
14:53:11 <Rucknium[m]> plowsof: If "trying to be naughty" means that users (or a spammer) does not increase their tx fee "bid" above the minimum, yet the miners include all txs above the "penalty area"
14:53:18 <Rucknium[m]> Rational miners wouldn't do that. They would wait for users to increase their bids
14:53:21 <plowsof11> i have in my notepad for next years trivia quiz: Monero means money. AND now this new info 
14:53:39 <Rucknium[m]> Monero means coin
14:53:48 <monerobull[m]> plowsof11: im nearly as disappointed with you as i was with the payment channel speaker who didnt understand mining
14:54:12 <rbrunner> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/monero
14:54:29 <plowsof11> i assumed 0.6 was fixed + fee market to expand , didnt know about penalties 😭
14:54:30 <sech1> Basically all pool implementations don't include transactions that reduce their bottom line for the current block
14:54:54 <blankpage[m]> Please pass on my comments on gitlab as I don't have an account
14:54:56 <sech1> which means you need to pay high fees to push block size
14:55:11 <blankpage[m]> If not hopefully I will remember to do it later
14:55:14 <monerobull[m]> how did you doge all the posts talking about how dynamic blocksize was hit 
14:56:44 <monerobull[m]> btw i am right in the assumption that the payment channels based on hash-timelocks is using way more energy than if you just put the same payment on-chain right
14:57:41 <monerobull[m]> because blocks get mined with or without transactions but every time one of these payment channels gets opened, someone starts mining away at the timelock
14:59:32 <plowsof11> thanks for the info all 🤔
15:00:15 <blankpage[m]> Yes it actually introduced additional "proof of work". Interesting concept but the " more efficient" stuff in the talk was total nonsense
15:01:27 <nioc> <Rucknium[m]> Monero means coin <<>> yes and monero began as bitmonero  :D  
15:03:34 <Rucknium[m]> It's still .bitmonero in the filesystem 😐️
15:05:29 <nioc> yes
15:41:53 <plowsof> .wownero fixed it 
17:50:54 <kayabanerve[m]> ofrnxmr: Sorry, I didn't have those numbers.
19:17:11 <xenu[m]> Lol I was the one who wrote the script for vosto 
19:17:35 <xenu[m]> Yeah the gee penalty part is difficult to explain and the goal was to have about a minute of material 
19:17:50 <xenu[m]> s/gee/fee/
19:25:23 <xenu[m]> <blankpage[m]> "Maybe add ", because the..." <- That's a good idea. 
19:26:27 <xenu[m]> I did want to bring up spam attacks, even if briefly, because moneros low fees often lead people to assume monero would be very cheap to spam.