10:50:21 <Lovera[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "It's still .bitmonero in the..." <- Someone wanted to change this, didn’t they? Fluffy?
10:55:00 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Og
10:58:45 <plowsof11> meeting in 4 hours 15:00 utc https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/857 
10:58:58 <recanman[m]> I am excited.
11:04:41 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Exciting times
11:26:41 <dEBRUYNE> Lovera[m]: That issue on Github has been open for many years iirc
15:00:06 <plowsof11> meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/857 
15:00:07 <plowsof11> 2. Greetings
15:00:13 <recanman[m]> Hello.
15:00:17 <plowsof11> hello everyone 
15:00:42 <msvb-lab> Hello.
15:01:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Greetings
15:01:34 <Lovera[m]> Hi everyone
15:02:51 <plowsof11> lets talk about some recent events :) alot of Monerokon presentations have already been uploaded (raw/unedited) thanks to ajs_ here : https://www.youtube.com/@MoneroCommunityWorkgroup , i have also titled / linked to a few (not all) in this github comment: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/857#issuecomment-1620790110 (please forgive the youtube links)
15:03:51 <hinto[m]> hello
15:03:55 <plowsof11> the recent "sideshift dropping xmr" news - in-app swaps are still working inside cakewallet/monerujo but its "iffy" 
15:03:57 <recanman[m]> Having the MoneroKon talks available is really convenient for me, I still think that a summary should be included in the title.
15:04:44 <plowsof11> the events team will discuss the.. video editing.. titles.. and what not later today 👍️ any feedback for them if you want to drop it here much appreciated thanks
15:04:50 <Lovera[m]> plowsof11: Wow this is great!! Very nice Plowsof!!
15:05:09 <MajesticBank> not sure sideshift works in monerujo, does it ? since it's xmr -> other coins
15:05:53 <plowsof11> anhdres:
15:05:53 <plowsof11> >for the time being, sideshift service in the app seems to be working, but it's a hit or miss. we'll still working on a replacement asap
15:06:10 <plowsof11> its basically 'over' , hello majesticbank 
15:06:25 <msvb-lab> Whenever it's a good time to focus on MoneroKon, let me know so that I can announce the dates for MoneroKon 2024 please.
15:07:05 <plowsof11> seems like a community highlight, go ahead msvb-lab!
15:07:17 <msvb-lab> Thanks plowsof11.
15:07:40 <msvb-lab> The Monero Konferenco 2024 will take place in Prague, at La Fabrika and Paralelni Polis on 7-9 June 2024.
15:07:54 <msvb-lab> That is the last weekend after the Prague Blockchain Week event.
15:08:11 <msvb-lab> We have three days at the same venue that we rented this year for 2023.
15:08:11 <blankpage[m]> Hello sorry I'm late
15:08:24 <msvb-lab> So welcome to make your plans early, thanks dankon.
15:08:50 <plowsof11> thanks for the heads up!
15:08:53 <Lovera[m]> MajesticBank: Anhdres has commented in the Monero group in Spanish that apparently they have removed it from their official website but it still works in the app. They have tested it and it gives error. I have not tried it today
15:08:56 <msvb-lab> You're welcome.
15:09:44 <MajesticBank> I've noticed tho monerujo wasn't listed on their site so far, or just removed also
15:09:57 <MajesticBank> while there are some other wallets listed on sideshift website
15:10:46 <plowsof11> also reg the side shift issue: [a pull request to replace sideshift with majesticbank feedback](https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2183#pullrequestreview-1518711403)
15:10:46 <plowsof11>  which needs input from the community, "MB to be listed as a swapper on getmonero"
15:12:51 <plowsof11> drop feedback in the issue / here , wherever - i predict there will be alot of discussion - perhaps out-sourcing the problem and listing kycnot.me instead could be an option (maintaining the list of swappers is annoying)
15:13:43 <plowsof11> [Kukoin to require KYC after 15th July](https://www.coindesk.com/business/2023/06/28/crypto-exchange-kucoin-to-introduce-mandatory-id-checks-next-month/) 
15:14:04 <Lovera[m]> This discussion could be left to the end xD if we start we don't finish. 
15:14:11 <Lovera[m]> 😀
15:14:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: > <@plowsof:matrix.org> also reg the side shift issue: [a pull request to replace sideshift with majesticbank feedback](https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2183#pullrequestreview-1518711403)
15:14:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> >  which needs input from the community, "MB to be listed as a swapper on getmonero"
15:14:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> no
15:15:19 <plowsof11> the monero policy / panel presentation at monerokon was a good watch - the monero policy team are starting up their meetings again.  next meeting on the 11th July https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/858
15:15:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Intercambio was redirecting to the UN.
15:15:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> no explanation, no listing
15:16:02 <plowsof11> shout out to tobtoht for this  [Bootstrappable Builds](https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8929) pull request 
15:17:21 <MajesticBank> intercambio was thing with vps provider, orangefren can explain better, it was fixed within few hours
15:17:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Vps provider redirected to UN? Lol
15:17:52 <recanman[m]> What does that mean that it redirects to the UN?
15:17:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ok. Ill wait for orangefren
15:18:02 <recanman[m]> Redirects to un.org?
15:18:04 <recanman[m]> s/?/?!/
15:18:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> It means it sent you tonthe United Nations website
15:18:20 <recanman[m]> That is quite odd
15:18:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Very secure place to send your crypto /s
15:19:25 <plowsof11> anything else we have missed 🤔 https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/ has received some large donations recently ❤️ 
15:19:30 <blankpage[m]> Wow! Bootstrappable builds is HUGE and I was not aware of this. Thanks for the heads up
15:19:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> <plowsof11> "[Kukoin to require KYC after..." <- This ia big news
15:19:49 <recanman[m]> plowsof11: Wow, a large difference from last week.
15:19:57 <Lovera[m]> plowsof11: Niceee
15:20:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: And should not be glossed over 
15:20:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kucoin allowed us citizens to buy monero. They dont support usa, but they dont kyc. Kyc means no more usa.
15:20:46 <Lovera[m]> recanman[m]: by any chance it has not been from the GF? xD
15:20:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you havent already, get your crypto off. And if they still let you, so empty their reserves
15:20:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Go* empty
15:21:07 <recanman[m]> Lovera[m]: Not sure, could be.
15:21:16 <plowsof11> Lovera: no , not that im aware (bF drops a comment on the proposals after a GF donation)
15:21:54 <plowsof11> #monero-policy:monero.social is where the next policy meeting will be taking place 
15:22:06 <recanman[m]> What is the Monero Policy Workgroup?
15:22:26 <recanman[m]> s/Workgroup/Working Group/
15:22:33 <blankpage[m]> For those who don't know, bootstrap builds means that reproducible builds cannot be disrupted by a malicious OS or compiler
15:22:54 <plowsof11> some of them are in the panel here during this presentation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LQsqMYVn2M
15:22:56 <MajesticBank> reproducible builds are very important
15:23:21 <MajesticBank> specially for mobile wallets, its possible trough fdroid
15:23:32 <MajesticBank> good work from tobtoht
15:23:52 <plowsof11> midipoet gives a good introduction to what the monero policy group is all about in that presentation
15:24:01 <recanman[m]> Thank you.
15:24:14 <plowsof11> now, anything else? i think weve had a good overview 
15:24:29 <recanman[m]> I don't think so.
15:24:50 <plowsof11> 4. [CCS updates](https://ccs.getmonero.org/)    
15:25:04 <plowsof11>   b. [recanman bitejo rewrite and expansion proposal](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/395)     
15:25:24 <recanman[m]> Can I give a +1 for my own CCS?
15:26:25 <plowsof11> your presence alone during the meeting is a + 
15:26:38 <recanman[m]> I was making a joke, but thank you.
15:26:44 <recanman[m]> * thank you very much.
15:27:56 <plowsof11> but uhm yeah, there has been alot of talk / changes suggested / ive even left a comment recently about the issue of "marketplaces" being funded by the ccs (historically, anything marketplace related was not put forward) 
15:28:28 <recanman[m]> I want to emphasize that the marketplace is one of the four planned 'services'. 
15:28:49 <recanman[m]> I do agree with plowsof's points about the marketplace.
15:28:57 <recanman[m]> * Nevertheless, I do
15:30:02 <plowsof11> noted that openbazaar received 9million in investments and still failed 
15:30:34 <plowsof11> granted, market place is as you say, one of the planned services 
15:30:46 <nioc> as has been noted it is not the existence of markets but the bootstrapping of them that is the issue 
15:31:19 <recanman[m]> I will promote it on my weekly publication, *[The Monero Standard](https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard)*
15:31:21 <nioc> or any of the other services that are being worked on which already exist
15:31:32 <MajesticBank> there is couple of similar markets, I don't understand why we don't have one common project, where everyone can work on
15:31:36 <plowsof11> logistically with this being your first CCS, a 6 month endeavour is a huge commitment for not only yourself but the community  
15:32:01 <nioc> 3 month is the usual maximum time
15:32:24 <recanman[m]> Well, I am not employed, so I have a lot of freetime.
15:32:43 <recanman[m]> Most of my freetime goes towards a hobby project.
15:32:55 <Lovera[m]> I remember erccisione scolding me on my first CCS for putting 6 months instead of 3. Newbies are only allowed 3 months xD
15:33:13 <recanman[m]> I don't think I'll be able to complete the CCS in three months/
15:33:16 <recanman[m]> s///./
15:33:21 <recanman[m]>  * I don't think I'll be able to complete the CCS proposal in three months.
15:34:15 <plowsof11> its not a technical problem that needs to be solved 'now' rather ... get people using the site, and show me the complaints about it "sucking" from numerous users and show some cool things that where done via bitejo marketplace to generate hype in 'making it great'
15:35:36 <Lovera[m]> recanman[m]: What can be achieved in 3 months?
15:36:00 <recanman[m]> In three months, I can finish one or two services.
15:36:40 <plowsof11> as the proposal is written currently, im voting close but its worth giving more time to see if it changes in 2~ weeks 
15:37:11 <plowsof11> leave it open for more discussion 
15:37:43 <blankpage[m]> I am neutral on this proposal. I agree that bootstrapping (marketing, good administration) is much much more important, but I'm not against donors funding this development work if they want to.
15:37:52 <spirobel[m]> you should read the book  The cold start problem. can be found on libgen
15:38:14 <plowsof11> the propsal before my eyes right now: close 
15:38:41 <Lovera[m]> I am really interested, but as MB mentions, there are other similar services. If we could just put it all together in one development and make the most of it, it would be great.
15:38:52 <recanman[m]> That is the plan.
15:39:56 <plowsof11> needs more discussion / leave open is the majority ? (remember that core will probably not want a marketplace on the ccs, but i have not asked)
15:40:16 <plowsof11> shall we move on?
15:40:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sorry guys
15:40:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> I had a comment on that
15:41:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> 45xmr and drop jobs part 
15:41:31 <recanman[m]> Dropping jobs permanently?
15:41:31 <Lovera[m]> To be super honest right now I'm thinking about closing.
15:41:31 <Lovera[m]> I know the proposal has been modified quite a bit and it's interesting, but I still think something doesn't add up. Maybe the amount?
15:41:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> So basically rewrite and maintain backend fir 2 yrs
15:41:46 <recanman[m]> Is it too much, or too little?
15:42:29 <plowsof11> with 20 mins left and 3 ideas to discuss, we must leave it open until next meeting as discussion / changes is ongoing 
15:42:29 <Lovera[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Oh, this could be intresting
15:42:46 <MajesticBank> go next
15:42:48 <Lovera[m]> plowsof11: yep
15:42:52 <plowsof11>   c. [Glitter Finance Cross-Chain Privacy Infrastructure with Monero](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/396) Close / wait for rebuttal     
15:42:56 <plowsof11> close
15:42:59 <recanman[m]> close
15:43:05 <Lovera[m]> close
15:43:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> close 
15:43:20 <anhdres[m]> <MajesticBank> "not sure sideshift works in..." <- I've also got errors and then one minute later it works. Pretty erratic. We were working towards saying goodbye to sideshift anyway.
15:43:38 <blankpage[m]> Close with haste
15:43:41 <hinto[m]> close
15:44:00 <plowsof11> nioc and Cat proxy vote: close 
15:44:16 <Lovera[m]> 100% close
15:44:27 <plowsof11> closing glitter , moving on
15:44:36 <plowsof11>   d. [Serving Defcon 31 (2023)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/397)    Negative feedback / issues with costs
15:44:43 <recanman[m]> close
15:44:46 <MajesticBank> anhdres[m]: It's sad they hadn't gave you some time before doing such thing, comments in their group is also weird "liquidity issue"
15:45:04 <recanman[m]> recanman[m]: I don't feel that 20k for badges is a good idea
15:45:12 <Lovera[m]> 20000 USD for badges for me = close... Sorry
15:45:25 <MajesticBank> I think 20k is too much, because impact is low
15:45:34 <plowsof11> duplicate of serve defcon 30 which was also sadly unsuccessful, i vote also close 
15:45:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Burn it with fire 
15:46:36 <plowsof11> closing serve defcon 31, moving on 
15:46:47 <plowsof11>   e. [XMR Business Wallet Development](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/398)    
15:47:02 <recanman[m]> Not sure about this one
15:47:47 <Lovera[m]> plowsof11: Ya tenemos RINO
15:47:56 <plowsof11> its a close from me 
15:47:56 <Lovera[m]> Oops sorry, we already have rhino
15:47:57 <MajesticBank> a lot of details missing on this one
15:48:08 <Lovera[m]> s/rhino/Rino/
15:48:35 <Lovera[m]> close
15:48:56 <recanman[m]> close
15:48:59 <plowsof11> considering sideshift is mentioned in the proposal ... and USDC is it really a tough one 
15:49:14 <Lovera[m]> plowsof11: Burn it with fire 
15:49:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> no
15:49:25 <nioc> makes little sense when the merchant that he says inspired him to do this already has a method of accepting monero, btcpay server
15:49:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Burn it with napalm
15:49:40 <MajesticBank> it doesn't even say the language of the wallet, platform
15:49:41 <blankpage[m]> The motivation is good but the specific plans are questionable
15:50:06 <plowsof11> indeed nioc, monerokon uses btcpay , AND rino for their perspective advantages 
15:50:12 <plowsof11> nowpayments also has a ... crypto to fiat service 
15:50:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Should open a ccs for that subscription wallet instead
15:50:53 <recanman[m]> The subscription wallet is nice, I looked at it around a month ago. There isn't too much to change though, I'm not sure a CCS would be relevant.
15:51:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can ccs for past work.. i think..
15:51:47 <plowsof11> ccs for past work is not prefferred, but it has happened 
15:52:11 <plowsof11> there has been a "they use alot of chatgpt" and are "hobbyist/self taught" python devs 
15:52:23 <plowsof11> accusation for that subscription wallet , which could effect them 
15:52:25 <recanman[m]> What is wrong with self-taught?
15:52:49 <plowsof11> early on in their journey / green
15:52:52 <recanman[m]> I think it's a pretty good show of determination. I may have a bias since I am self-taught.
15:52:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> That they learned by copy paste from chatgpt
15:52:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Notice the "and"
15:53:04 <recanman[m]> Oh, oops
15:53:16 <recanman[m]> > Notice the "and"
15:53:16 <recanman[m]> Thank you
15:53:19 <recanman[m]> s///
15:53:25 <recanman[m]>  * > Notice the "and"
15:53:25 <recanman[m]> Thank you
15:53:25 <plowsof11> would you as a business, trust them?
15:53:45 <plowsof11> or a customer, to protect your hot wallet keys
15:53:55 <plowsof11> and not send an incorrect amount if soemthing wrong happens 
15:54:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Self taught could be "signed up for online courses". But i think plowsof isnreferring to quality of code 
15:54:43 <plowsof11> yes. koe is self taught for c++ 
15:54:44 <recanman[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I don't agree with that. I don't want to deviate the discussion, but self-taught usually means tinkering until you form a strong basis of concepts, then learning through documentation.
15:55:08 <recanman[m]> I've never signed up for a computer science course and I am self-taught. Maybe that is irrelevant.
15:55:09 <plowsof11> early on in their journey* if i can add that then 
15:55:46 <recanman[m]> In that sense, maybe a CCS would be a good idea; if it is done properly, then I am all for it.
15:56:17 <plowsof11> closing xmr business wallet
15:56:34 <plowsof11> there was no chance for msvb-lab to comment on their ccs which we voted to close
15:56:39 <recanman[m]> Maybe this is too big of an idea, but why not implement recurring payments in the monero-wallet-gui?
15:56:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: Close it
15:56:48 <plowsof11> if they wish to, please do 
15:56:51 <recanman[m]> Maybe it has never come up or has been denied, I would like to know.
15:56:58 <msvb-lab> No problem, I'll remove Monero. We can move on.
15:57:58 <plowsof11> AOB 
15:58:05 <plowsof11> [Vosto Emisio - Basic Core Concept #1 Tail Emission VO Script.pdf](https://github.com/monero-project/meta/files/11973878/Vosto.Emisio.-.Basic.Core.Concept.1.Tail.Emission.VO.Script.1.pdf)
15:58:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thanks
15:58:41 <recanman[m]> > Maybe this is too big of an idea, but why not implement recurring payments in the monero-wallet-gui?
15:58:41 <recanman[m]> Any responses to this?
15:59:00 <plowsof11> they have an idea for the video. similar to tx streeet - there will be a line outside 2 buildings (to get in) - im describing the concept terribly here 
15:59:59 <spirobel[m]> recanman[m]: why not use a credit card?
15:59:59 <recanman[m]> Subscriptions
15:59:59 <spirobel[m]> maybe this would make sense as a payroll system. or payables system
15:59:59 <spirobel[m]> but susbcriptions has the wrong connotation 
16:00:00 <recanman[m]> Is what I mean
16:00:07 <plowsof11> to represent the fee market* when it was explained to me correctly it sounded good 😅
16:00:14 <recanman[m]> Applies to both payrolls and subscriptions I would say.
16:00:35 <plowsof11> subscirptions is a marketing word, there is no such thing - you turn your wallet on and it auto sends a payment 
16:00:44 <plowsof11> if you dont turn your wallet on then no payments are made
16:01:03 <recanman[m]> Yes, you leave the wallet open. Monero subscriptions wallet requires it to be open.
16:01:11 <vostoemisio[m]> plowsof11: I'm on phone so I rather not describe it all, but all please glance through the script and thumbs up or down
16:01:11 <plowsof11> i cant subscribe to anything unless my hot keys are in some custodial service 
16:02:23 <plowsof11> script is a +1 from me 
16:02:38 <recanman[m]> Recurring payments are defined to an address, and the wallet will try every set amount of time to make a payment to the address. Say it is closed and then opened, if the time has passed, it will send it.
16:02:41 <recanman[m]> vostoemisio[m]: +1
16:03:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> havent read it yet. Thanks
16:04:19 <plowsof11> subscribe in the sense of how my fiat payments are handled , automated without any input from myself - for this to happen on monero - hot keys have to be on 'an internet connected device / running 24/7' this is the "custodial service" i mention , am i wrong?
16:04:24 <spirobel[m]> plowsof11: I think the only way subscriptions in monero make sense is a long payment cycle (months or years) and then revoke access to the respective resource when the subscription expires. I built a tool for that ... https://monerochan.cash/tools 
16:05:28 <spirobel[m]> shorter payment cycles like on the order of days or weeks are too cumbersome for consumers ... that would be more appropriately called payables or payroll  
16:05:51 <recanman[m]> plowsof11: You are not wrong, but doesn't have to be 24/7.
16:05:59 <recanman[m]> spirobel[m]: This is what I was thinking of.
16:06:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cronjob
16:06:33 <recanman[m]> * thinking of, but integrated in the monero-wallet-gui., * . It seems like a farfetched idea.
16:06:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Loloo
16:06:45 <recanman[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Lol
16:07:00 <plowsof11> cron should start a ccs
16:07:03 <recanman[m]> Point of monero-wallet-gui is for people who don't know what a cronjob is, right?
16:07:24 <TrasherDK[m]> <naphtha[m]> "is that usdt or actual usd?" <- Using Kraken API to list your balance, it will show as USDT 😬
16:07:26 <recanman[m]> Rather for simplicity, but also for people who are not necessarily 'technical' in a sense.
16:10:42 <msvb-lab> Have a good day everyone. Dankon everyone for the meeting and plowsof11 for the good moderation.
16:10:48 <plowsof11> i think we can end it there, thank you for all attending. closing all but recanmans 
16:11:13 <recanman[m]> Goodbye everyone, have a nice rest of your day
16:11:23 <blankpage[m]> Thanks Mr. Chairperson
16:11:29 <Lovera[m]> Thanks everyone! 
16:13:26 <spirobel[m]> <recanman[m]> "This is what I was thinking of." <- the concept is too complex to integrate into a wallet. The use case is too different from a typical wallet user. Think of a company that needs to handle payroll and payables for suppliers etc. It is more erp than wallet. There is specialize software for this. Some companies also offer this as a service. They sometimes have money transmitter licenses. So Monero could be a
16:13:26 <spirobel[m]> replacement for those. But this would only make sense if a monero economy / supply chain existed. (which is currently not the case, it is a chicken and egg problem / network cold start problem)
16:13:32 <nioc> https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/
16:13:47 <recanman[m]> spirobel[m]: Good point
16:14:03 <recanman[m]> CCS for monero-subscriptions-wallet or a new software should be done though
16:14:04 <spirobel[m]> s/specialize/specialized/
16:14:32 <recanman[m]> To be honest, I will probably make a CCS for that if my current one gets killed.
16:14:58 <plowsof11> another issue: rottenwheel (current editor of https://revuo-xmr.com/ wishes to be unbanned from this and other rooms) 
16:15:01 <spirobel[m]> recanman[m]: you should read the book "the cold start problem"
16:15:10 <recanman[m]> plowsof11: What did rottenwheel do?
16:15:49 <recanman[m]> spirobel[m]: I will get the book today. Thank you.
16:15:49 <recanman[m]> The reason is that I need a little money, I am barely surviving off of the xmr I have now
16:16:05 <recanman[m]> * have now. If I can contribute to the community + make some income, that would help me quite a lot.
16:17:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> recanman[m]: Threatened to kill plowsof
16:17:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> I witnessed it
16:18:02 <recanman[m]> Wow, why did he threaten to kill plowsof/ofrnxmr?
16:18:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im jk
16:18:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> I had my life threatened by someone who was invited back and paid
16:18:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> "threatened" with heavy quotation marks
16:18:45 <recanman[m]> **"** <- like this
16:18:49 <recanman[m]> make it bold
16:19:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> ty
16:19:04 <MajesticBank> plowsof11: I am not into the matter, but how much passed since the ban?
16:19:07 <plowsof11> i was not as involved in goings on back then - but there are personal issues with admins that need to be talked about / forgiven 
16:19:32 <ofrnxmr[m]>  Hes been banned f(r well over a year 
16:19:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> And ive watched him get kicked f(r FAKE threats
16:19:53 <plowsof11> i would have to guess, but his bans began at least... 2? 3 years ago?
16:20:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Unban him today
16:20:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> If mods want to reban him, i want proof 
16:21:02 <plowsof11> would it be fair to say that people here would like the staff/matrix admins to consider unbanning rottenwheel ?
16:21:09 <r4v3r23[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: wtf for real?
16:21:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> no
16:21:17 <recanman[m]> He said that he was kidding.
16:21:26 <spirobel[m]> <recanman[m]> "I will get the book today. Thank..." <- > <@recanman:agoradesk.com> I will get the book today. Thank you.
16:21:26 <spirobel[m]> > The reason is that I need a little money, I am barely surviving off of the xmr I have now. If I can contribute to the community + make some income, that would help me quite a lot.
16:21:26 <spirobel[m]> we all do. There is not much demand for Monero labour currently and too much supply. So we need to think about how we can change that. You can find the book for free on libgen. It can help to better understand the challenge you try to solve with your ccs. 
16:21:42 <r4v3r23[m]> obviously not a real threat but fucking petty behaviour
16:21:48 <spirobel[m]> plowsof11: yes just unban him. we dont need to do a tribunal 
16:21:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> +1 on giving rotten another chance 
16:22:19 <spirobel[m]> the people have spoken 
16:22:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> He contributes selflessly 
16:22:53 <MajesticBank> plowsof11: are monerologs kept for 2-3 years?
16:22:56 <spirobel[m]> alright enough the people have spoken bring him back
16:23:01 <spirobel[m]> no need to overdo it lol
16:23:05 <r4v3r23[m]> "the people" lmao
16:23:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> racist
16:23:16 <recanman[m]> spirobel[m]: Unfortunately, I don't have a strong-enough understanding of cryptography in order to be able to contribute to the Monero project. I am pretty good at C++, but doesn't help if I don't know cryptography.
16:23:17 <recanman[m]> If there are any projects that I can work on, I am open, because I am looking for one that isn't a hobby project.
16:23:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: jk lmao
16:23:33 <r4v3r23[m]> i just think its funny some one who bans people on a whim from his own chats is begging to be unbanned himself
16:24:07 <r4v3r23[m]> unban everyone. we need new reddit mods too
16:24:30 <plowsof11> when presented with ' yo udid these things ' rottenwheels response has been that it was 'edgy' / trolling 
16:24:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> It is, but this isnt a "personal chat room"
16:24:43 <plowsof11> e.g. when he appeared on monerotalk some time ago 
16:24:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is monero, and rotten could never be a mod here
16:25:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> ive seen worse from people who are here today
16:26:08 <r4v3r23[m]> plowsof11: juvenile and tiresome. but whatever
16:26:46 <r4v3r23[m]> we dont police peoples behaviour. youre free to act as you want, and people are free to treat you as they wish
16:26:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yep. Unban. Reban if necessary
16:31:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> blame me if he threatens erc again
16:31:33 <r4v3r23[m]> theyre both the same XD
16:35:25 <DiegoSalazar[m]> <recanman[m]> "I will get the book today. Thank..." <- > <@recanman:agoradesk.com> I will get the book today. Thank you.
16:35:25 <DiegoSalazar[m]> > The reason is that I need a little money, I am barely surviving off of the xmr I have now. If I can contribute to the community + make some income, that would help me quite a lot.
16:35:25 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Shoot me a message. 
16:37:12 <nioc> recanman[m]: AIUI you don't need to know cryptography to contribute to monero 
16:40:18 <sgp[m]> <plowsof11> "another issue: rottenwheel (..." <- Imo, if plowsof is okay with it, I think we should unban him after talking to him and expressing the expectations of what is permitted and what isn't. He's reached out to me a few times since the ban, but I haven't spoken with him yet
16:43:15 <spirobel[m]> the gentry has spoken too
16:44:21 <spirobel[m]>  * the gentry has spoken
16:46:39 <plowsof11> i am ok with unbanning sgp , if you could handle the talking to part, then we can turn the page and start a new chapter **butterflys fluttering around on a summers day, love is in the air**
16:59:46 <plowsof11> thanks anhdres 
17:00:29 <anhdres[m]> Rotten and I had our differences in the past (we did the El Monero podcast together yet we split for a reason) but after so much time it wouldn't hurt to give him a try.
17:01:13 <anhdres[m]> When he misbehaves it's pretty easy to spot 😆
17:08:43 <xmrscott[m]> <sgp[m]> "Imo, if plowsof is okay with it,..." <- I do have to personally question the earnestness of the I've learned my lesson bit based on his past actions in the last month or two and can comment further in like an hour or two. Currently AFK
17:29:51 <midipoet> personai, i am still not entirely certain as to whether ofrnxmr[m] is not just an alt of rotten. if we unban rotten, we might just end up doubling the fun/obtuseness (whatever the perspective is). 
17:30:50 <msvb-lab> Or xeagu. It could be one person.
17:31:22 <MajesticBank> +1
17:32:33 <midipoet> also, re the DefCon CCS, i understand the hesitation to spend on badges, but historically we would have spent quite a bit on them for DefCon events. while the benefit is not immediately quantifiable, they definitely attract interest, and are still probably the most interesting/valuable swag that Monero has ever given away as outreach/marketing. 
17:33:03 <midipoet> msvb-lab: i have met both xeagu and rotten in person, and they are definitely not the same person
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17:36:11 <plowsof11> the defcon ccs was rejected last year https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/326 
17:38:00 <plowsof11> and core request that the proposer give updates on their uncompleted FFS proposal each time they make a ccs proposal https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/397#note_21796
17:57:20 <midipoet> I don't know too much about the FFS, to be honest. I do know that i miss the DefCon presence though. Perhaps we should focus more on trying to improve that somehow (with or without badges), or even our presence at something like C3. Monero being represented at genuine hacker events is relatively important as an outreach venture (imo), and has been lacking recently. 
18:06:41 <spirobel[m]> <midipoet> "I don't know too much about..." <- even just attending is useful. There is so much to be learned about how an organization / community functions. Especially at the after parties when people get drunk 🍻 
18:08:38 <plowsof11> pre registration tickets for defcon 31 where up for $460 but i cant find the page atm
18:13:09 <spirobel[m]> plowsof11: taiwan dollars or us dollars? 😆
18:14:11 <spirobel[m]> so for the price of  two tickets we could purchase a sponsorship tier of this conference for example: https://coscup.org/2023/en/sponsorship
18:14:51 <spirobel[m]> (just googled it no idea if it is any good, just to see what local conference here cost)
18:17:24 <plowsof11> a portion of the defcon fanbase are not happy with the price hikes of course 
18:19:37 <msvb-lab> Most people (managers, staff, goons, and villages) are quite happy when we deny Monero participation at Defcon. The entrance prices are quite high as well, but we should push 30K elite hackers attending this year.
18:19:38 <msvb-lab> It will be a big one, and even better that we are supposed to focus on family friendly content.
18:20:46 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> You can buy a car for 30k
18:20:51 <msvb-lab> With a lot of mini eight year old hackers around, so they will get served well and become the next generation of security developers.
18:20:53 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Jesus
18:21:02 <plowsof11> i think 30k people
18:21:11 <msvb-lab> Not money DandarkIsnotthe, 30K people visiting.
18:21:19 <msvb-lab> The money is in the millions.
18:21:58 <msvb-lab> Probably fifteen to twenty million this year.
18:22:28 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> $29600= Total production cost for serving at Defcon
18:37:35 <xmrscott[m]> <plowsof11> "pre registration tickets for..." <- It's $440 if you pay in cash. The $460 prereg closed last week and the $20 was for the Square processing fees and such
18:40:11 <spirobel[m]> why dont we attend different conferences? hackerman seems to be naturally interested in monero. No need to further entice him.
19:51:02 <xmrscott[m]> <xmrscott[m]> "I do have to personally question..." <- Alright, at a system that is conducive to typing. Let's start with a quick overview of examples of why he was banned. Long story short, some of the reasons he was banned are, but are not limited to:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/dfa52d165084ba24a40c504dc7e71b58ec3ac6f4>)
19:51:15 <xmrscott[m]> When he pressed mods to be unbanned in early 2022, he was asked if he could follow LiberaChat's ToS. He said no, and even decided to say "Fuck Off" to LiberaChat's ToS publicly (https://web.archive.org/web/20220115110342/https://twitter.com/rottenwheel/status/1482307482060046338)
19:51:49 <xmrscott[m]> You will notice a general trend of harassment and racist rhetoric across several facets of the Monero community. So... should the ban be lifted? Has he truly changed from 2022's stance, 'screw LiberaChat's ToS', and learned his lessons that hateful rhetoric violates the LiberaChat's ToS? I would say no based on a quick scan of his other profiles. For context, the first reply on May 24th, 2023, "R", is him completing a racist slur:
19:51:50 <xmrscott[m]> https://web.archive.org/web/20230525195517/https://twitter.com/rottenwheel1/with_replies
19:53:24 <xmrscott[m]> Now... if MoneroEsp has lifted his ban and he hasn't engaged in the kinds of behavior that got him banned there I could see a reason for the ban being lifted here. I'm not a MoneroEsp mod so I can't speak to his current standing there. If the MoneroEsp ban still stands I see no reason why it should be lifted elsewhere
19:58:01 <xmrscott[m]> I have nothing personal against the guy, even let him sleep at my place for defcon for free in 2019. But on this particular point I think the evidence suggests an unban is the best move here
20:00:19 <xmrscott[m]> s/is the/isn't the
20:08:16 <sgp[m]> <xmrscott[m]> "Now... if MoneroEsp has lifted..." <- okay, thank you
21:37:39 <r4v3r23[m]> <xmrscott[m]> "Alright, at a system that is..." <- > <@xmrscott:monero.social> Alright, at a system that is conducive to typing. Let's start with a quick overview of examples of why he was banned. Long story short, some of the reasons he was banned are, but are not limited to:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/932863f3ff84a1e83b7f7f0e2305dc7e147ee72f>)
21:38:34 <r4v3r23[m]> * wow looks like he need to get a life. i knew he had small-dick syndrome but this is just sad
21:45:07 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Sure learnt his lesson. You had a dot point of offences. 
21:45:08 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> s/./…../
21:56:08 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> [plowsof](<https://matrix.to/#/@plowsof:matrix.org>) in the defcon proposal you said something about an unfinished css?
21:56:39 <plowsof11> yes, Kastelllo 
21:58:41 <plowsof11> iirc this one https://forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress/90126/advancing-monero-hardware-wallet
22:00:53 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Oh yeah
22:00:59 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Purgatory 
22:02:29 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> 8xmr
22:02:29 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> DefCon and other promotions⁴
22:02:44 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> And now 30k to do that
22:07:47 <plowsof> last year justin asked/suggested a more cost effective solution (budget of around 5k) for defcon 30, and now the same advice for defcon 31 
22:11:49 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Ledger has long memory 
22:12:40 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Or deja vu 
22:25:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> <plowsof11> "i am ok with unbanning sgp..." <- Lecture for what?
22:26:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Can we invite a lot of -pools and some users here as well? People say cancelable stuff all the time. He knows the rules. Ban him again if he breaks em
22:26:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Invite to this lecture*
22:30:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ive been threatened, and nobody did anything and i wasnt even given an apology
22:30:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> The apology was "i dont need a gun"
22:31:40 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> ofrnxmr[m]: Suck it up princess!
22:31:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> ew
22:33:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> But yeah. What ive seen from rotten is far weaker than most of what i see on a regular basis
22:40:43 <r4v3r23[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "But yeah. What ive seen from..." <- like a chichuachua
22:49:29 <louissignet[m]> permabans are also weak sauce
22:51:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> 24/25 needed one
22:52:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> But he'd just dm ya instead 
23:06:18 <plowsof11> lecture slide 2: Do not be like n*ptha!
23:13:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> I would also like the return of revuo released to be posted to @monero twitter
23:13:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Observer is down for the time being (get well soon escapethe3ra: )
23:30:36 <r4v3r23[m]> disagree - @monero should be as irrelevant as possible
23:31:22 <r4v3r23[m]> no one speaks for "monero"
23:31:56 <DiegoSalazar[m]> I do. 
23:32:05 <DiegoSalazar[m]> But the only thing I say for it is: "Monero"
23:32:11 <r4v3r23[m]> k
23:32:31 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> what about "xmr"?
23:32:48 <DiegoSalazar[m]> But fr I've always been a bit uncomfortable with the twitter yeah. 
23:33:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> I am but if we dont keep it, someone else will
23:33:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> And its importsnt for releases
23:33:27 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> i remember once when some of pissed/drunk and was trolling
23:33:29 <r4v3r23[m]> it should be seen as something to be "accepted" by, ie getting tweeted/retweeted by @monero
23:33:29 <DanrdarkIsnotthe>  * i remember once when someone one was pissed/drunk and was trolling
23:33:34 <DiegoSalazar[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: This was what ultimately led me to shut my mouth about it yeah. 
23:33:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont like that the dms are unknown
23:33:44 <r4v3r23[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: i dont mean give it away. sell it to vik for 400k
23:34:03 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> its weird there is no fediverse account
23:34:07 <r4v3r23[m]> yeah, info purely about the project. no culture/community stuff
23:34:18 <r4v3r23[m]> releases/bugs/announcements from core
23:34:28 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> to swap with monero.com domain
23:34:33 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> s/to/do/
23:34:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ofrnxmrs ccs
23:34:41 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> neg
23:34:45 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> css holiday fund
23:34:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Geonics movie
23:35:33 <r4v3r23[m]> its the same with wallets listed on getmonero/reddit
23:35:45 <r4v3r23[m]> either list them all, or only the official ones
23:35:49 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> neg thats css gofundme
23:35:51 <r4v3r23[m]> picking and choosing is lame
23:36:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> r4v3r23[m]: Thats why dms are important too. Should be an autoresponder telling people to go to Monero  and Monero Support  or the same on reddirmt etc
23:36:10 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> problem is you list the wrong one and something happens
23:36:16 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> plowsof gets sued
23:36:24 <DiegoSalazar[m]> r4v3r23[m]: Speaking of, Monero doesn't crash on Stack iOS anymore so I should see about finally getting on there. 
23:36:44 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> never crashed for me
23:36:50 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> on duo tho
23:36:51 <r4v3r23[m]> only official ones should be listed
23:37:08 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> even that last update allows for self signed nodes
23:37:11 <DiegoSalazar[m]> It would for some iOS users. Led me to hold off on asking for the PR to be merged. 
23:37:55 <DiegoSalazar[m]> r4v3r23[m]: Official ones being the GUi?
23:38:01 <r4v3r23[m]> CLI/GUI
23:38:13 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> so how do people know the other ones
23:38:36 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Yeah. I can see the argument behind core stewarded only 
23:38:45 <r4v3r23[m]> advertsing
23:38:48 <r4v3r23[m]> twitter
23:38:53 <r4v3r23[m]> self promotion
23:38:54 <r4v3r23[m]> word of mouth
23:39:00 <r4v3r23[m]> its not monero projects job
23:39:09 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> sounds like nord vpn marketing 
23:39:14 <DiegoSalazar[m]> It's really a question of whether getmonero is an all-encompassing gateway to all "trusted" things Monero (for some definition of trusted)
23:39:29 <r4v3r23[m]> "trusted" is tricky
23:39:36 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Or if it should be core stewarded stuff to minimize COI and stuff. 
23:39:40 <r4v3r23[m]> wallets shouldnt need cores "approval"
23:39:45 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> community trusted
23:39:50 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Right
23:40:03 <DiegoSalazar[m]> DanrdarkIsnotthe: As measured by?
23:40:03 <r4v3r23[m]> "the community" isnt a static consensus
23:40:09 <r4v3r23[m]> different wallets for different folks
23:40:15 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> look how many times i see whats the best wallet to use
23:40:20 <r4v3r23[m]> scams should be called out for sure
23:40:31 <xmrscott[m]> <DanrdarkIsnotthe> "its weird there is no fediverse..." <- There is, but inactive ATM. It's just in the process of being moved. Im in favor of Clackey over Mastodon, but I'm waiting for impending v14 release before making the last move and making active
23:41:24 <DiegoSalazar[m]> DanrdarkIsnotthe: Right but the responses are opinions. Which is how it should be, no?
23:41:27 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> DiegoSalazar[m]: me
23:41:31 <DiegoSalazar[m]> I go back and forth on this
23:42:09 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> community consensus i guess, otherwise no one will be using a wallet
23:42:22 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> use this one, no use this one
23:42:27 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> confuses people
23:42:35 <r4v3r23[m]> id like to see all "official" monero website/twitter/social media be stripped of anything that isnt core-related
23:42:54 <r4v3r23[m]> who runs @monero anyway?
23:43:05 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> please remove info with ledger and trezor compatibility ?
23:43:19 <r4v3r23[m]> no one needs consensus
23:43:22 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> r4v3r23[m]: not core i dont think
23:43:45 <r4v3r23[m]> that idea lets big compnaies buy and pay for "consensus"
23:43:48 <DiegoSalazar[m]> DanrdarkIsnotthe: When I worked for them core had access. But didn't do day to day things. 
23:43:58 <r4v3r23[m]> monero consensus is sponsored by .....
23:43:59 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> i thought it was sgp
23:44:05 <DiegoSalazar[m]> But that was many moons ago. 
23:44:20 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> monero moons
23:44:33 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> r4v3r23[m]: css holiday fund
23:44:45 <spirobel[m]> DanrdarkIsnotthe: there should be a clear process for auditing wallets 
23:44:45 <r4v3r23[m]> DanrdarkIsnotthe: thats an issue. plowsof?
23:44:47 <spirobel[m]> core is super intransparent
23:44:48 <spirobel[m]> r4v3r23[m]: dont see it as any more legitimate than "non core"
23:45:20 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> translucent 
23:45:40 <spirobel[m]> opaque 
23:46:26 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> so no source of truth then?
23:46:32 <spirobel[m]> processes need to be transparent and clearly defined to be legitimate 
23:46:35 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> lets use elite wallet seems legit
23:46:37 <plowsof11> i see no reason why diegos understanding of things isnt correct today 
23:47:00 <r4v3r23[m]> who runs the twitter
23:47:40 <plowsof11> several people have access , off the top of my head sgp has done some tweets 
23:47:57 <sgp[m]> Core has it but they don't do any daily stuff there
23:48:09 <DiegoSalazar[m]> He never tweets about Stack Wallet 🤔
23:48:13 <plowsof11> we even have #monero-twitter:monero.social where e,g, monerokon organisers have requested for sgp to make a twoot 
23:48:45 <spirobel[m]> DanrdarkIsnotthe: the fed is more transparent than Monero core. You get published meeting minutes and the rules and processes are clear. It is clear how decisions get made and by whom. Dont see that at all with "monero core". 
23:48:48 <DiegoSalazar[m]> sgp[m]: Does core do daily stuff anywhere? :D
23:48:49 <sgp[m]> I have access to post, as does at least 1 other person people would recognize, but they don't talk about it for whatever reason. Not my call
23:49:11 <r4v3r23[m]> DiegoSalazar[m]: youre competition. clear conflict of interest. which is exactly my point
23:49:20 <r4v3r23[m]> the twitter and anything official should be neutral
23:49:24 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> pwnd
23:49:55 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> thats like when people push for a css proposal and dont disclosed conflicts of interest 
23:50:13 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> like actually working on it and getting paid from it
23:50:54 <r4v3r23[m]> shady shit. as usual
23:51:12 <sgp[m]> The policy has been so far to promote various things like unofficial wallets (or anything else that is a part of the Monero community) on a bit of a rotation, and yes stack is most definitely overdue for something
23:51:41 <r4v3r23[m]> how about no third-party policy
23:51:55 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> i assume there is a pr created to add wallets to getmonero?
23:51:58 <DiegoSalazar[m]> But now crashes are gone so... wen 👀
23:52:12 <sgp[m]> r4v3r23[m]: Fwiw, that's why I made the matrix room, so people could ping me to remind me to post, since I don't pay much attention to that account
23:52:25 <r4v3r23[m]> shouldnt be dependent on you
23:52:33 <DiegoSalazar[m]> r4v3r23[m]: Oof. Before I ever get a turn.
23:52:36 <plowsof11> oh yes Diego Salazar the PR to add stack on -site was closed iirc , i assume a re-open if you think its 'ready' 
23:52:37 <r4v3r23[m]> it should be irrelevant expect for most important updates
23:52:49 <sgp[m]> Technically it's not, I was just the only one willing to post occasionally for a while
23:52:49 <r4v3r23[m]> create a monero sommunity/social handle for the oether shit
23:53:02 <DiegoSalazar[m]> r4v3r23[m]: This is kind of difficult though because who else volunteers to do this stuff?
23:53:11 <sgp[m]> Fwiw, was it really "shady" that the account was used to promote all the live MoneroKon content?
23:53:24 <sgp[m]> Or push people to monero.town, the most recent tweet there
23:53:39 <r4v3r23[m]> DiegoSalazar[m]: not much of a job to put only the most important updates out
23:53:44 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> so who here has a stake in sdk and hasnt disclosed it???????????????????????
23:53:44 <plowsof11> i have not seen any complaints about @monero , only the drunk midnight tweets that one time
23:54:17 <DiegoSalazar[m]> plowsof11: Oh it got closed?
23:55:20 <sgp[m]> The Twitter is a vehicle to promote Monero. That's the main goal. It's never going to be a vehicle for purist tests. It's.... TWITTER. Not Mastodon, not Matrix, not privacy related at all. Etc
23:55:25 <r4v3r23[m]> DanrdarkIsnotthe: wut
23:55:30 <DiegoSalazar[m]> D:
23:55:50 <sgp[m]> Sdk?
23:56:59 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> wallet sdk
23:57:21 <r4v3r23[m]> sgp[m]: you have ppl in an uproar whether or not a newletter or project gets rewtweeted by that account. it has too much influence, and needs to be more netural
23:57:23 <sgp[m]> The molly thing?
23:57:29 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Unfortunately there needs to be a but of political will here to make such a sweeping change on core stewarded platforms. 
23:57:48 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Bit*
23:57:57 <r4v3r23[m]> less is more
23:58:11 <r4v3r23[m]> DanrdarkIsnotthe: words. use them
23:58:15 <sgp[m]> Coinbase could announce Monero support and people would be mad if I RTd it. It's what it is
23:58:26 <r4v3r23[m]> so DONT
23:58:36 <sgp[m]> Nah, not your call
23:58:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Retweet it
23:58:44 <r4v3r23[m]> shouldnt be yours either
23:58:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> But dont NOT tweet revuo
23:58:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im quite sure coinbase is worse than rotten
23:58:58 <r4v3r23[m]> yes, DONT teweet revuo
23:59:04 <r4v3r23[m]> or anythign else non core related
23:59:15 <sgp[m]> Well then you talk to core and get me removed and you added, under the goals of killing the account. That's good for Monero exposure, definitely
23:59:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> r4v3r23[m]: Shoulda made it first
23:59:36 <r4v3r23[m]> sgp[m]: youre missing the point... no one should be added
23:59:37 <louissignet[m]> Who cares, you can create an alternative Monero Community Twitter 
23:59:57 <r4v3r23[m]> louissignet[m]: exactly