05:54:46 <geonic> Good job ShadowRebel
09:59:36 <ZarterPleaseping> <recanman[m]> "I'm currently without a bank..." <- In what way would you be able to work and buy a house without a bank? It might depend on jurisdiction?
09:59:51 <recanman[m]> I have no idea, never looked into it
10:00:20 <ZarterPleaseping> How does it work for you in that case?
10:00:41 <recanman[m]> I haven't bought a house
10:01:04 <ZarterPleaseping> But how do you recieve an income?
10:01:22 <recanman[m]> I have a couple of jobs that I get paid in XMR, nothing official
10:01:33 <recanman[m]> * nothing official. E.g one from monero.jobs telegram
10:01:35 <ZarterPleaseping> Ohh, okay
10:01:38 <recanman[m]> * nothing official. E.g one from monero.jobs telegram, but I don't have telegram anymore
10:02:33 <ZarterPleaseping> I only have telegram to find somewhere to buy monero, hasn't gone that well though
14:03:10 <r4v3r23[m]> <ZarterPleaseping> "I only have telegram to find..." <- look for higher liquidity coins and swap to XMR
14:04:10 <ZarterPleaseping> <Killercat103[m]> "What about localmonero?" <- None near me
14:04:18 <ZarterPleaseping> r4v3r23[m]: None cares at all in Sweden apparently, I want to buy with cash
14:05:19 <r4v3r23[m]> ZarterPleaseping: cares about what
14:05:21 <r4v3r23[m]> look for a bitcoin seller
14:05:22 <ZarterPleaseping> Crypto and won't sell it
14:05:26 <ZarterPleaseping> r4v3r23[m]: I did
14:05:51 <ZarterPleaseping> I found something on meetup but it only had 2 people attending, that is probably my only shot tbh
14:41:02 <r4v3r23[m]> you might need to travel then
16:14:40 <ZarterPleaseping> ofrnxmr[m]: I have
16:15:06 <ZarterPleaseping> <r4v3r23[m]> "you might need to travel then" <- That's a possibility, although in that case I must bring a lot of cash for it to be wortg
16:15:16 <ZarterPleaseping> <plowsof11> "I see 2 cash by mail sellers..." <- Riskty though
17:02:17 <nioc> seems that the bridge is dropping some messages 
17:02:54 <nioc> or maybe I am just confused 
17:10:31 <dukenukem> w0w nioc
17:15:36 <DataHoarder> The bridge is 45m delayed from #libera-matrix info and ALSO dropping
18:24:42 <nioc> y not both
18:33:03 <azerx> hi folkz, anyone here who can help me with core wallet? it seems stuck and gives errors
18:39:01 <Rucknium[m]> azerx: Your blockchain was probably corrupted (i.e. missing data) when you moved the database to a new location, especially if you moved it whole monerod was running. Go to #monero-support:monero.social  for support. The easiest way out of your situation (maybe the only way) is to re-sync the blockchain from the beginning. There is also a startup option for attempting to repair the database, but it rarely works.
18:56:38 <nioc> I assume that the irc and matrix support channel are separate and not bridged 
18:56:43 <nioc> yeah me again
18:59:45 <Rucknium[m]> Ah, azerx is on IRC. Support is your job now, nioc.
19:00:27 <azerx> Thanks, i did not move it when it was running btw. I tried the salvage command and it synced fine in cmd line but then when i start the gui it shows the same....strange
19:01:14 <azerx> hmm the channel you mention is empty?
19:02:23 <nioc> azerx: there are a few people in #monero-support but not person that does the heavy lifting
19:03:04 <azerx> ah now i see :9
19:03:30 <nioc> there are a couple of good ones there when they are available 
19:03:38 <azerx> thanks
19:05:34 <Rucknium[m]> azerx: Probably the only thing to do now is to sync from scratch if you've already tried the repair option. 
19:07:02 <nioc> Rucknium[m]: I joined the irc support channel and gave the same advice.  You make me feel so good  :)
19:07:13 <azerx> ok thanks, wish the DB was more robust, many other wallets i use never get busted like this 
19:24:33 <Rucknium[m]> azerx: IMHO, the people who design and maintain the database code are in denial about this. Usually they say Windows is to blame, but this kind of thing happens on Linux, too.
19:52:56 <DataHoarder> got a corrupt database in linux indeed, haven't bothered to resync that instance
20:45:08 <nioc> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/404
21:01:48 <edge7[m]> https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/las-vegas-nv/kevin-mitnick-11371668
21:04:19 <edge7[m]> Not monero related. But probably worth posting anyway
21:06:19 <ceetee[m]> <DanrdarkIsnotthe> "How come there in 3month..." <- Proposals are a nice way to see what kinda dev work is currently worked on. Also its easier to fund small proposals
21:27:24 <nioc> https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/
22:10:34 <azerx> Rucknium[m] good someone acknowledge that :) i run multiple wallets like ltc, btc, dash, pivx and no matter how many times my VM crashed or anything they all manage to recover from it. They must be doing something right or atleast different. What i can tell is Monero uses 1 gigantic file where as the others have multiple files. I can't say what's better but from user experience and 
22:10:34 <azerx> what i seen its pretty obvious. Hope some dev read this and consider fixing this issue in the future. And since 99% of people run windows or mac (believe it or not) the GUI wallet i'm sure is what most will use. 
22:14:46 <selsta> These corruption bugs are extremely difficult to reproduce.
22:15:42 <azerx> hehe let me at it, i do it quite fast :D 
22:16:07 <azerx> For some reason i manage to do it multiple times 
22:16:15 <selsta> Was your node fully synced up?
22:17:13 <azerx> i have had so many issues, but then again i had a special setup, i have had it happen when it has been fully synced and otherwise....
22:17:38 <selsta> What is your special setup?
22:18:01 <azerx> Like Scenario1: i had it fully synced , then i did not start it for a while and then when i started it it refused to even connect to anything until i removed the DB...
22:18:36 <selsta> Where is the blockchain stored?
22:18:38 <azerx> I have a NAS (qnap) and run a windwos VM on it...so the wallet runs there and also DB stored on NAS
22:19:19 <selsta> It's what I expected, we use lmdb which does not support network drives.
22:19:19 <azerx> Then i use the same DB on my own windows (not at the same time ofc).....
22:19:45 <azerx> yeah i suspect network drive had something to do with it
22:19:52 <selsta> While starting with a network drive might work, it's not supported and can cause corruption.
22:20:10 <selsta> Our database is optimized for SSDs.
22:20:12 <azerx> it took like 4-5 days until 98% and then got stuck which is why i came here
22:20:33 <azerx> the NAS actually only has SSD in it so its fast 
22:21:28 <azerx> but maybe VM and communication in between the NAS and VM is slower ofc
22:23:25 <azerx> Will try to avoid network drive and see....but i can copy the synced DB to my NAS as backup right? to reuse incase i reinstall 
22:23:37 <azerx> Also any idea why i always get this in the log at start? Error: Couldn't connect to daemon: 127.0.0.1:18081
22:27:29 <selsta> Yes, you can make a copy on the NAS.
22:28:39 <selsta> http://www.lmdb.tech/doc/
22:28:43 <selsta> >Do not use LMDB databases on remote filesystems, even between processes on the same host. This breaks flock() on some OSes, possibly memory map sync, and certainly sync between programs on different hosts.
22:29:02 <selsta> This is the official explanation for network drives, which falls under remote filesystem.
22:30:13 <selsta> 00:23 <azerx> Also any idea why i always get this in the log at start? Error: Couldn't connect to daemon: 127.0.0.1:18081 <-- The GUI checks if a local node is running. Usually it can be ignored if you don't have other issues with the GUI.
22:33:42 <azerx> Yeah read it fast, not sure how robust the DB is for say windows when you go to sleep and wallet is running...ex: Avoid suspending a process with active transactions. 
22:35:08 <selsta> It should not be an issue, only power loss during sync can cause issues.
22:35:17 <azerx> No other issue, but i thought the wallet uses both 18080 + 18081 but from what i can tell only port 18080 is used...i open both ports and just 18080 seem to be active, maybe as you say i can ignore , just curious why it gave error and if i could fix it
22:35:45 <selsta> 18080 is p2p traffic, 18081 is for rpc traffic between gui <--> node
22:35:47 <azerx> ah ok thanks, will run from local disc and try avoid network drive
22:37:04 <azerx> ok, read a bit about rpc ...might play with it later, will see if i can run a cheap linux somewhere so i can use rpc with feather wallet....
22:37:08 <azerx> thanks for the help mate