00:19:44 <DataHoarder> Note: the Matrix bridge to libera.chat is being fully shutdown, including plumbed channels. Unless you join IRC directly or the instance runs their own bridge, you will be disconnected
00:19:49 <DataHoarder> > 23:57:44 -A_Dragon- [Global Notice] The Matrix bridge is experiencing continued stability and privacy issues; we have requested it be shut down until they are resolved. Matrix have agreed to shut down the bridge no later than 1400UTC on Saturday. Feel free to ask further questions in #libera-matrix 
00:53:53 <selsta> hopefully they fix it within a week or so
00:54:18 <DataHoarder> it doesn't bode well, rizon had them do this in the past
00:54:26 <DataHoarder> https://forum.rizon.net/showthread.php?5364-Matrix-IRC-Bridge
00:54:37 <DataHoarder> > Hi xmr516, we've previously had a matrix bridge from matrix.org but they had to disable bridging after a security incident on their part. Bridging with matrix.org hasn't been restored since then. 
00:55:27 <selsta> did anyone ever look into setting up our own bridge?
00:56:58 <selsta> feels like the bridge got continuously worse over time
01:00:36 <DataHoarder> whitequark has a setup within NixOS they posted recently (and is being shared in #libera-matrix) https://github.com/whitequark/catircservices.org
01:01:14 <DataHoarder> both for synapse and the irc bridge, so can probably get a few tips from there
01:02:01 <DataHoarder> the bridge part is a bit more complex given it won't be as automatic as this one
01:03:06 <DataHoarder> long term seems like a good solution for monero.social but people from other homeservers cannot use that... but at least they get to join the matrix room, no idea what happens then but maybe it "just works"?
01:04:04 <selsta> this readme has a comparison between bridges: https://github.com/hifi/heisenbridge
01:06:36 <DataHoarder> yeah, the many to many is unique of matrix-appservice-irc
01:06:49 <DataHoarder> otherwise it will be like bridgerton[m], on IRC side
01:15:11 <silverpill[m]> <boog900[m]> "They created the node under MIT,..." <- > <@boog900:monero.social> In reply to @plowsof:matrix.org... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/4b37ff47372a1c82fee9085b5aa1847afde16352>)
01:22:41 <selsta> 03:06 <DataHoarder> otherwise it will be like bridgerton[m], on IRC side <-- maybe good enough for now until they bring the bridge back up?
01:23:31 <DataHoarder> Indeed
01:24:12 <DataHoarder> Can always have it there and enable/disable it as needed depending on the Matrix weather of the day
01:36:25 <DataHoarder> I will probably setup one of these myself for the p2pool related rooms at least, specifically for mini as we have no OPs there to do the plumbing with, though if Monero.social runs their full one later on (many to many) that won’t be an issue
02:26:04 <recanman[m]> <plowsof11> "Thank you SerHack. recanman..." <- Thanks, will begin work on it soon.
02:40:00 <silverpill[m]> <kayabanerve[m]> "This is my once again reiterated..." <- As I stated above, the change of license to MIT is likely done against the will of the founder and the author of the significant portion of the codebase: https://github.com/Cuprate/cuprate/graphs/contributors
02:40:00 <silverpill[m]> This is a questionable decision, this project is subject of CCS proposal, so I don't see why we shouldn't discuss it. 
02:40:01 <silverpill[m]> >Given the difference Monero as a project is, in purpose and goals, and the context faced, I'd support Cuprate being pure-MIT. It's simplest and will draw the most people in.
02:40:01 <silverpill[m]> Could you explain what do you mean by that? What makes Monero different? Who are those people who might be discouraged by GPL license? And why developers of closed-source software should be allowed to take code from community-funded project?
09:49:16 <ZarterPleaseping> How does the future for Cryptos and privacy coins looks now that there are so many rules in the EU and US?
10:24:00 <ajs_[m]> imo monero core code should be MIT, especially if an alternative implementation is being paid by the monero community
10:39:55 <ZarterPleaseping> <brams0[m]> "Use no kyc and bypass rules..." <- So that will be enough?
11:55:30 <ZarterPleaseping> Is it better than matrix?
12:08:31 <Rucknium[m]> Zarter(Please ping me): nope
13:16:18 <silverpill[m]> <spirobel[m]> "> <@silverpill:poa.st> When..." <- Not sure why you are attacking this "youtube entertainer". I was talking about arguments presented in this article; the personality of the author is not relevant.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/fd86d8ccf74c8772cacc1359e152d9debd6d2c69>)
13:17:36 <silverpill[m]> Monero is probably the only popular cryptocurrency project that still remains unaffected by such influence. Other major players have been largely assimilated into the system. I think that instead of pandering to venture capitalists and twitter NPC crowd, people working within Monero ecosystem should align themselves with the broader FOSS movement, because it's the only way to remain independent.
15:00:41 <plowsof> Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/871 
15:02:22 <plowsof> Greetings! as most are aware - no bridge for IRC<->Matrix currently but ill be posting logs / sharing specific ccs proposal ideas here if anyone wants to leave feedback
15:05:40 <plowsof> just discussing some community highlights (ive got footnotes in the meeting issue) - if anyone would like to share something that interested them over the last 2 weeks please share
15:05:41 <msvb-web> H
15:06:01 <msvb-web> Hello, just here for the first meeting half today.
15:07:08 <msvb-fab> Should we use a IRC application or a Matrix application?
15:07:40 <msvb-fab> I'm not sure which direction the bridge is broken on, and on which of the two protocols our moderator wishes to hold the meeting?
15:08:04 <plowsof> i think Matrix is the most active currently 
15:11:19 <midipoet> meetings are on Matrix now?
15:13:41 <plowsof> greetings midipoet , the bridge is offline and Matrix seems more active at this moment in time 
15:15:16 <plowsof> the outage was described as being "temporary" so this should be a one off
15:30:08 <plowsof>   a. [recanman bitejo rewrite and expansion proposal](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/395)    discuss changes
15:34:12 <plowsof> no vote (as recanman not attending / needs to confirm his priority for the 2nd open CCS proposal (which SerHack has given approval of) 
15:34:29 <plowsof>   h. [Add retroactive funding proposal for FCMPs](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/403)    
15:51:04 <plowsof>   i. [selsta part-time monero development (3 months)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/404)    
15:57:38 <nioc> plowsof: thx for updates here  :)
15:58:18 <nioc> I have already given a thumbs up for selsta
15:58:35 <selsta> <3
16:02:38 <plowsof> ill do a thumbs up yes
16:02:51 <plowsof>     j. [Boog900 full time work on Cuprate, the Rust Monero node (2 months)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/405)    
16:03:33 <plowsof> where just talking into the void on Matrix. ideally we need our own bridge as was suggested by Rucknium just now 
16:08:21 <plowsof> MIT vs AGPL discussion is happening between the supporters of the Boog900 CCS proposal 
16:08:25 <rbrunner> No, you are talking inside the Matrix and nobody in the real world can hear you :)
16:09:01 <plowsof> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/405#note_22042 this is Boog's comment to clarify/address issues around their first "Cuprate" ccs request
16:10:00 <plowsof> and "Everything produced from this CCS will be MIT" - boog 
16:17:28 <plowsof> an attempt to summarise: the bridge sucked even when it was 'working' / please can we have our own one / people have voiced willingness to Merge Selsta/Boog/Kayabas FCMP 
16:17:47 <plowsof> and waiting on more feedback from dev/mrl - i believe koe was/is taking a 2 month break from monero things
16:20:11 <plowsof> AOB? If not, thank you for looking at me try to be helpful 
16:20:14 <nioc> plowsof: what feedback are we waiting for 
16:20:52 <plowsof> 'grass is indeed green / my brain works correctly and this is a sound proposal' .. something / anything
16:21:07 <nioc> which proposal?  :)
16:21:50 <nioc> the fence I am painting will also be green when finished  lol
16:23:43 <plowsof> the monero-core related / dev heavy ones, mainly (Boog/Kayaba) - Rucknium has some Q's for selsta too (will leave a comment on the ccs... i think its organisational? related) 
16:24:02 <nioc> thx
16:24:35 <nioc> plowsof: when andres is around remind him that the bridge is no longer and he will need to contact me on IRC
16:24:42 <nioc> please and thank you
16:25:31 <plowsof> will DM him now, no problem
16:29:16 <plowsof> that reminds me, he is currently raising some funds for a local childrens football team (shirts and such) https://nitter.sethforprivacy.com/anhdres/status/1687534094404485136
16:30:22 <plowsof> "It looks like we got as much as we needed! I'll get the final budget on Wednesday they promised." Anhdres