06:42:32 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> For the first time(?) an abandoned* CCS proposal can be handed over and completed by someone else. The original proposer has no issues with this and will ensure the tasks are completed by reviewing/merging the work (which has already happened for some tasks).
06:43:26 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> The monerophp one?
06:50:28 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> Problem: 0 up/down doots on gitlab , which wont get it merged . Last meeting: https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20230819 merge request itself https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/402
09:54:06 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Cool project I just found: https://github.com/creating2morrow/neveko
15:20:16 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> chch3003: Where did you get aware of this project?
16:03:32 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> rbrunner7: Here in the description https://bounties.monero.social/posts/83/15-300m-bitmessage-rival-or-re-write
16:06:38 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Thanks, just became aware that I saw that link back at start of June. Probably missed a few things still back then that are implemented now.
16:13:49 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Right. Good to know that things are moving on.
16:31:18 <m-relay> <4​rkal:matrix.org> What's all this discussion about a Monero asic?
16:33:55 <m-relay> <4​rkal:matrix.org> https://nitter.net/BITMAINtech/status/1695783295806775605
16:35:50 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> 4rkal: Knowledgeable people say the watts per hashes efficiency is on par with consumer CPUs. It might just be several consumer CPUs chained together. That probably doesn't even qualify as an ASIC.
16:36:53 <m-relay> <4​rkal:matrix.org> Yeah looks like they didn't mention the word asic just "personal miner"
16:37:13 <m-relay> <4​rkal:matrix.org> *professional
16:38:07 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> The knowledgeable people can be found in #monero-pow:monero.social
17:06:17 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> If you don't want to join that room just for reading a bit today, here a link to a HTML log found on Reddit: https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-pow/20230827#c274973
17:11:24 <m-relay> <a​js_:matrix.org> kinda makes sense now why Bitmain wanted to be a sponsor of MoneroKon
17:19:04 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> The image says it's a RISC-V
17:19:06 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> The image says it's a RISC-V CPU
17:19:13 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> The image says it's made of RISC-V CPUs
17:19:53 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> And power efficiency is lower than Zen3 CPUs (launch date 2020)
17:20:20 <ComplyLast> everyone wanted powerful readily accessible RISC-V pcs
17:20:23 <ComplyLast> now we have itg
17:20:29 <ComplyLast> .praise jihan
17:20:44 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Do you think it qualifies as an Application-Specific Integrated Circuit?
17:21:18 <ComplyLast> it seems like a general purpose computer, but I guess we will see
17:22:23 <ComplyLast> "available for mining multiple cryptocurrencies"
17:22:38 <ComplyLast> seems like just a cluster of RISC-V socs
17:27:36 <hyc> it is as application-specific as putting an ARM CPU in a case and calling it an iPod dedicated to playing music
17:29:02 <ComplyLast> are you going to get one hyc?
17:30:04 <hyc> nah, if I'm spending $3500 on a compute device I'll buy one that's not a sealed black box
17:30:40 <ComplyLast> curious how open it will be
17:31:00 <hyc> has bitmain opened up any of their gear, specs, firmware, ever before?
17:31:19 <ComplyLast> no idea
17:37:48 <kico> how many cpus per unit?
17:37:55 <kico> so many questions :P
17:39:04 <kico> maybe we should CCS and get couple units for science
17:39:27 <hyc> I bet nvidia are glad their products are all over the AI bandwagon and they can leave mining behind
17:39:55 <kico> they seem to be doing great
17:41:42 <kico> seems that for each 1M AI companies raise 250k go to nvidia straight
17:41:57 <kico> "new study shows"
17:42:28 <hyc> yeah they're sitting pretty
19:52:25 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Ironic that bitmain is from china?
20:06:38 <geonic> some of these ccs proposals really need more visibility
20:06:51 <geonic> e.g.: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/161zcgy/comment/jxwsg6u/
20:38:07 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> yeah, people need to discuss things before they are funded
20:38:29 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> reminder that there is a RSS feed for the CCS merge page, which works without logging in
20:41:05 <m-relay> <b​tclovera:matrix.org> So we have ASIC or there are just a bunch of RISC-V in a case? I don’t think it applies like ASIC
20:43:10 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> multiple riscv cores per chip, multiple of those chips in a case, that'd be my bet
20:45:57 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Just branding
20:46:09 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Calling it an asic miner
20:50:40 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Someone reminded us that the tweet did not call it an ASIC. Just a "professional miner". Maybe it's easier to plug and play this than set up 8 CPUs with custom cooling or something.
20:51:42 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> A true professional may do a profit analysis and conclude that it's most profitable to mine on hardware you already own 😎
20:52:55 <m-relay> <b​tclovera:matrix.org> Well …We are comparing the efficiency of Ryzen Vs these RSIC-V. But it is clear that the average user must purchase Motherboard + Power supply + Ram (minimum) and here you have a Box with a good Hashrate for ~3000$? 
20:52:55 <m-relay> <b​tclovera:matrix.org> With 3000$ you don’t buy ~ 15 AMD Ryzen 3900X + MoBo + PSU + RAM
20:55:17 <m-relay> <p​olar9669:matrix.org> The price is out ? Or is that a guess
20:55:26 <m-relay> <b​tclovera:matrix.org> A guess
20:56:09 <m-relay> <b​tclovera:matrix.org> Based on a ROI 1 year w/o electricity cost like they always do
20:57:42 <m-relay> <p​olar9669:matrix.org> That’s not always the case for every miner they launch and specially not at bear market coin price
20:57:45 <m-relay> <p​olar9669:matrix.org> Anyways, we should know about the price very soon
21:00:04 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Only professionals can use the professional miner?
21:00:30 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Call it commercial grade or something
21:01:33 <m-relay> <p​olar9669:matrix.org> Bitmain monero ASICS was priced at 11k something for first batch before they became door stoppers
21:01:51 <m-relay> <p​olar9669:matrix.org> Easy plug and play for commercial miners
21:04:15 <m-relay> <p​olar9669:matrix.org> With a complementary chinese malware pre installed 😁
21:32:08 <hyc> oh don't forget the backdoor killswitch
21:34:11 <hyc> what would be ironic is if these things get out into the wild, and people discover they're running some flavor of linux and they can just ssh in and use them as AI crunchers
22:21:28 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Port 22 ftw
22:39:30 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> I have an issue with my Monero GUI wallet, 0.18.2.2. I open a wallet from .keys file using Simple mode, not portable
22:39:52 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> And it tries to connect to local daemon.
22:39:52 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> 2023-08-27 22:33:23.121 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.2.2-release)
22:39:52 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Error: Couldn't connect to daemon: 127.0.0.1:18081
22:47:05 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> The thing is that I switch between that first Simple Mode (not downloading the chain) and Advanced Mode (downloading the chain on external ssd) back and forth, and it seems I screw up something. It doesn't switch to Simple Mode anymore even if I select it. Like if the app wallet has some cache that is not updated properly.
22:57:36 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Hmm I tried again Simple mode no bootstrap and now it connected to a remote node directly...
23:01:46 <gingeropolous> yeah simple mode is remote node. 
23:02:06 <gingeropolous> i've found u need to give the GUI like 15 seconds for it activate whatever changes u did
23:02:35 <selsta> That error simply means that the GUI tries to connect to the daemon before it's started.
23:03:08 <selsta> Also restarting your computer might help in these situation, though shouldn't be necessary.
23:12:09 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> I don't understand why he tried to connect to local daemon. I think I waited more than 15 seconds. After around that time I was getting a popup "Connect connect to local node (or something like that)". Anyway, it's fine
23:12:36 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> I don't understand why he tried to connect to local daemon. I think I waited more than 15 seconds. After around that time I was getting a popup "Cannot connect to local node (or something like that)". Anyway, it's fine
23:40:30 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/161zcgy/ccs_alternative_monero_node_written_in_rust_has/jy0ufsz/
23:40:30 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/161zcgy/ccs_alternative_monero_node_written_in_rust_has/jy0v8wp/
23:40:31 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Left a pair of comments on Reddit I found informative. I do understand hyc's concerns, yet I don't believe they should have such a hard line against alternative nodes (and I do assume they're present in this room. I'd be happy to talk more about it here :) )