00:55:41 <geonic> plowsof: will this be the "final community vote" (TM) on the FCMP proposal? :)
03:20:40 <gingeropolous> not to fly in randomly and comment on things I don't have a full grasp of, but couldn't a non-retroactive (aka a regular) CCS be made to tidy up the rest of the stuff, and just make the first milestone a big payout? 
03:21:19 <gingeropolous> i mean, whatever the first milestone is couldn't exist with the prior work, so something something
03:21:52 <m-relay> <p​lazma_69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UUxX6nAKmU
03:21:59 <m-relay> <p​lazma_69> interesting talk
03:22:16 <m-relay> <p​lazma_69> https://neptune.cash/
03:25:56 <m-relay> <p​lazma_69> https://neptune.cash/learn/brainfuck-tutorial/
03:26:39 <m-relay> <p​lazma_69> this sure is something else LOL
03:26:46 <m-relay> <p​lazma_69> 😛 💀
03:28:18 <gingeropolous> i mean, for better or worse, it would sorta mimic the way i witnessed granting work in biomed academia. a lab (somehow) gets preliminary data, then applies for a grant (using the preliminary data as evidence that the grant will be fruitful), and then they get the grant because the preliminary data is so good
03:33:49 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Like a proof of concept?
03:37:15 <m-relay> <p​lazma_69> https://neptune.cash/blog/scalable-privacy-problem/
03:37:22 <m-relay> <p​lazma_69> good luck reading
03:38:12 <m-relay> <p​lazma_69> https://neptune.cash/blog/only-privacy-coins-are-fungible/
03:38:37 <m-relay> <p​lazma_69> well default privacy coin works in the end
05:27:22 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Neptune looks nice but I'm not sure about the smart contracts thing. I'll have to look at the privacy of that.
06:08:31 <m-relay> <p​lazma_69> if any thing good comes out of it
06:08:49 <m-relay> <p​lazma_69> if necessary we can just fork it
06:09:49 <m-relay> <p​lazma_69> will be a good experiment
06:09:53 <m-relay> <p​lazma_69> fun to watch let see where it goes LOL
06:24:58 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Someone came with a pretty-much complete monero php library https://github.com/monero-integrations/monerophp/issues/133.
06:24:58 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I'm not too sure what to do now, it is mostly complete.
06:24:59 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> This person pretty much did all of the work and all of a sudden submitted it here. I'm not sure if I have done enough to be considered 'maintaining' the library.
06:31:05 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> hm
06:33:11 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> The only thing I would be doing is reviewing the code and making any changes, fixing the types and tests, then getting it merged
06:33:21 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> The only thing I would be doing would be fixing the types and tests, then getting it merged
06:39:36 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> That's a case where you don't know whether to rejoice or to cry :)
06:40:43 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I'm not sure what you mean, but I don't want to claim a payment for a very small amount of work 🙃
06:41:06 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Monero seems to be a project that somehow leads to people starting to work on something all on their own, not showing up anywhere in the "official" Monero communication channels, not asking any question, just build something, and then one day *bam* suddenly something appears.
06:41:38 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> recanman: Didn't you do already quite some work on the "old" library that is now pretty much obsolete by this "new" library?
06:41:57 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yes, I did work on it, but it got obseleted
06:42:47 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Yes, that's what I mean. We cry because work was wasted, and we rejoice because suddenly and unexpectedly we have a shiny working PHP library.
06:43:06 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> This new library doesn't have any cryptography, so there a major loss of functionality. That should be integrated.
06:43:41 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> so, milestone 1 has been obsoleted which you are wanting to take over? https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/serhack-monero-integrations-part-3.html. If so there will be work to "transfer improvements (if any) from this newer monero-rpc-php over to the main monero-php"  ? what about milestone 2? "Monero Woocommerce payment gateway maintenance"
06:44:25 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> There is quite some work to be done, but I originally accepted the length of time of five months for the rewrite
06:44:44 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I haven't looked into milestone two, but I plan on also taking that over.
06:48:02 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I edited my comment showing what is left to be done
06:48:10 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> ```
06:48:10 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Finish types on library
06:48:10 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Finish tests on library
06:48:11 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Other items on your list (including error handling)
06:48:11 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Making sure all issues from this repository are covered
06:48:12 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Cleaning up ed25519.php and other important code in that category
06:48:12 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Separating packages
06:48:13 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> ```
06:49:41 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> In terms of length (from shortest to longest):
06:49:41 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> 1. Separating packages
06:49:41 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> 2. Finish types on library/Finish types on library
06:49:42 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> 3. Fix other issues in library listed (including error handling)
06:49:42 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> 4. Make sure other issues are covered
06:49:43 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> 5. Cleaning up the big files for separation of packages
06:54:31 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yes
06:55:00 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i don't know where the new version has made improvements on (you say it lacks cryptography) - it will still need to be cherry picked and merged over (for milestone 1)
06:55:58 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I've never worked with wordpress though, so I'm not sure
06:59:28 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> It doesn't look too bad, I'll have to learn a couple of things, all issues seem doable.
07:00:13 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I'd like to revisit that issue once the first milestone is finished though. But now that I've read over it again, it does seem that there is still some work, just not the same amount planned.
07:00:18 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I'd like to revisit that issue once the first milestone is finished though. But now that I've read over it again, it does seem that there is still some work, just not the same amount as I planned for.
08:21:28 <m-relay> <j​ohn_r365:monero.social> Q: Which mobile Monero wallets support using a passphrase? Such that on restoration you input a seed + passphrase to restore
09:58:49 <m-relay> <t​igerbalm:matrix.org> I’ve been Monero pilled, coming from zcash
10:02:05 <m-relay> <s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> welcome
10:03:21 <m-relay> <t​igerbalm:matrix.org> In the age of total surveillance, privacy is gold
10:22:06 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> john_r365: monerujo definitely (judging by this informative article by anhdres https://scribe.rip/-seed-with-offset-passphrase-works-in-monerujo-416ff5198b2e , im not sure which others support it
12:31:04 <m-relay> <d​rinternationale:matrix.org> Hi Everyone.  Is this the right place to ask a question about the monero GUI app?
12:31:59 <sech1> There is #monero-gui
12:33:10 <m-relay> <d​rinternationale:matrix.org> Thanks!
14:53:17 <m-relay> <j​ohn_r365:monero.social> Thanks plowsof, appreciate the reply
14:53:17 <m-relay> <j​ohn_r365:monero.social> anhdres: do you know if the Monerujo implementation is the same as either the Ledger or Trezor implementations? (Which both implement it differently)
14:56:39 <selsta> The seed offset feature is not based on Ledger or Trezor
15:53:08 <nioc> hi dan bob, comp will be locked and Cat does not have the keys so sadly she will not be attending 
15:53:53 <nioc> miner will be on for her heat seeking pleasure 
16:44:40 <m-relay> <4​rkal:matrix.org> Did I just submit a new css proposal or did I screw things up?
16:45:11 -xmr-pr- [css-proposals] 4rkal opened pull request #408: Selfhosted tor gitea instance of monero source
16:45:11 -xmr-pr- > https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/408
16:45:21 <m-relay> <4​rkal:matrix.org> Think I created the merge request but can't find it... gitlab is confusing
16:45:53 <nioc> <xmr-pr> [css-proposals] 4rkal opened pull request #408: Selfhosted tor gitea instance of monero source
16:45:53 <nioc> > https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/408
16:46:16 <nioc> ^^ for those handicapped not on IRC
16:46:36 <m-relay> <4​rkal:matrix.org> cool thanks
16:47:00 <nioc> plowsof can help if needed
16:47:29 <plowsof> Sadly this is the third? Time for this type of proposal 
16:48:05 <m-relay> <4​rkal:matrix.org> idk I've only seen one other... seemes like they exit scammed though
16:48:56 <m-relay> <4​rkal:matrix.org> trying to do this legit
16:52:52 <plowsof> We have 0.2 xmr remaining in this https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/339
16:54:40 <m-relay> <4​rkal:matrix.org> Looks like they took the money and left? no?
17:33:25 <plowsof> I left a comment 4rkal https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/408#note_22343
18:58:23 <m-relay> <a​nhdres:matrix.org> I haven't used either ledger nor trezors, only Monerujo so I don't really know
19:00:49 <m-relay> <j​ohn_r365:monero.social> Thanks selsta. Does that mean monerujo use a kind of seed offset "standard" that other wallets can implement? And then ledger and Trezor use their own custom versions
19:02:36 <selsta> I don't know what Ledger and Trezor use. The way I understand it the passphrase is used as an offset, so seed + offset get you a new seed. New seed - offset = original seed again.
19:03:15 <selsta> You'd have to look into the source code on how it's exactly implemented but all wallets based on wallet2 support it.
19:07:08 <m-relay> <j​ohn_r365:monero.social> Thanks selsta! I think with Ledger and Trezor it was more related to the way they do key derivation, rather than the passphrase part. 
19:07:08 <m-relay> <j​ohn_r365:monero.social> I think I looked at it here: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/4704
19:07:15 <m-relay> <j​ohn_r365:monero.social> But yeah, anyway, putting those aside, looks like monerujo + feather (for example) will be cross compatible with seed + offsets. Which is great
19:16:17 <luigi1111w> is someone waiting to be paid?
19:17:03 <plowsof> plowsof selsta v1docq47 jeffro256 luigi1111w
19:19:54 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> There was a css for gitea and tor?
19:20:49 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Should create one for anti googledocs vps “onlyoffice” for policies
19:23:19 <plowsof> Has the MPWG confirmed OnlyOffice has what they want? The ram requirements are heavy but there would only be 10-20 invite only accounts.. i assume less resources?
19:24:40 <luigi1111w> oh plowsof I forgot that guy
19:24:47 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Its because it has elasticsearch in it
19:25:36 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Tbh i add the onlyoffice docs plugin too the mattermost and looks like it does what they want
19:25:55 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> With collaboration accept,reject,comment
19:26:21 <plowsof> My 3 week fast can finally come to an end 
19:29:35 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Now go slow
19:30:29 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> I did setup matterbridge with irc have too test
19:30:56 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> Dan r/dark (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate ): thanks for researching the solution +1 - i have 2 nodes myself , they may have spare resources for an onlyoffice instance but as always the issue is someone has to RTFM and maintain it/user accounts reliably
19:30:58 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> And the onlyofficedoc plugin allows
19:30:58 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Supported formats
19:30:59 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> For editing and viewing: DOCX, XLSX, PPTX
19:30:59 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> For viewing only: XLS, XLSX, CSV, XLSM, XLT, XLTM, ODS, FODS, OTS, PPS, PPSX, PPSM, PPT, PPTX, PPTM, POT, POTX, POTM, ODP, FODP, OTP, DOC, DOCX, DOCM, DOT, DOTX, DOTM, ODT, FODT, OTT, RTF
19:31:55 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> Ideally , there would be a usable onlyoffice instance they can test drive as there is always "something"
19:33:40 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> I has 
19:33:40 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> https://mattermost.monerokon.org/landing#/
19:33:41 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> waiting on ajs to do a few things
19:34:36 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Before i can open up
23:43:46 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yeah, there was a blog post made by someone which explained what you said pretty well (I haven't found it), but this is pretty much it.