00:19:55 <123bob123:matrix.org> I dont have any crypto. I’m here for the lols 00:19:57 <123bob123:matrix.org> Also this $5 is that take into account inflation? 00:23:04 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> $5 wrench attack can be Mitigated either with Arms (gun and ammo) or Cryptographically Hidden wallet that victim can open with secret 6-8 digit PIN from a decoy wallet with low funds (granted you still lose money but not your life and life saving) 00:27:25 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> scenario 1 : All light mobile wallets default wallet is a Decoy wallet that Generates Multiple Decoy wallets each with their own PIN or Passphrase to open them but are Encrypted by design and hidden 00:27:57 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> Victim 1 downloads wallet 00:28:30 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> create wallet == decoy wallet 00:29:36 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> from that decoy wallet he/she can generate multiple decoy wallets and set either PIN/Passphrase or both 00:29:55 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> all wallet are encrypted at device level 00:31:55 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> and display normal encrypted weight == encrypted data must not show Victim 1 have created multiple wallets 00:33:02 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> since we assumed all wallets will have hidden decoy wallet features == attacker knows it too 00:33:57 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> Victim 1 generates 3 decoy wallets or what ever the number he/she wants 00:34:14 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> primary decoy wallet == low funds 00:35:47 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> other 3 wallets == 2 will contain (bit higher/lower) low funds with one main wallet with funds 00:36:39 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> We can assumed multiple user can have as many decoy wallets as they want 00:37:42 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> We only need to make sure Encrypted data is not too high and Suspicious 00:38:37 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> and well hidden with proper advancement in cryptography 00:48:28 Actually you can probably find a rusted 0$ wrench already in your toolbox 00:48:45 Yeah, decoys is the way to go 00:48:52 most hardware wallet also support them 00:50:10 just give the damn words list copy away... see, I only have 23$ worth of monero and 10$ worth of bitcoin. 00:50:10 Sorry if you could not seize more, I gambled it all on wex.nz a long time ago 00:50:40 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> 👍️ 01:11:22 aesthetic 02:21:11 I'll fix it soon, once the monerophp maintenance is over 05:29:19 It might also be related to my provider, will have to figure that out today 08:36:42 If you live in a country that does not allow you to carry a gun for self-defense you should change it ASAP. 08:36:42 Why sponsor a country with your taxes if they don't allow you to defend yourself ? 08:36:43 Unless you're one of those who believe police will materialize in time to stop the crime (LOL) 08:36:43 Being your own bank and not carrying a gun is very dangerous, even if you don't brag about crypto - your tax office people know and they can leak that info - especially if you're trading big sums. 08:41:21 In countries where everyone can have a gun you have at least chance to shoot back at the criminal, in countries where semi-automatic pistols are not allowed for self-defense like Italy, Spain - you will get beaten to death by criminals if they like to. 08:44:58 And with the current vicious refugee problem I wouldn't even visit such countries for vacation, plenty of reports of tourists getting beaten. 08:44:58 Now have fun paying with crypto in near future in such environment. 08:45:39 Cryptocurrencies without guns does not make sense to me. 09:46:08 More likely shot, look at the Netherlands lol. More gun crime than Sweden(where you can own guns). 10:25:05 Lmao, spot the American. The world is bigger than your country. Also, wildly off-topic for this room 10:38:49 He def is an American or a kid. 10:38:49 Doesn't mean he is wrong about the police part. 10:38:49 Here in the Netherlands people are gunned down too, robbed at gunpoint, all the while guns are illegal. Seems criminals really do not care about laws and stuff. 10:38:50 The police is, for 99.99999 %, only for after the fact. 10:38:50 I had a gun in my face once, police of course never solved the case. What you gonna do? 10:41:01 Regardless, this chatroom is for discussing CCS proposals and Monero-related community projects - not gun policy, regulation, or related criminal activity 10:42:35 For more general talk -> #monero-pools:monero.social and #monero-offtopic:monero.social 11:37:43 Fuckin hilarious 11:38:13 Mods insulting "kids" or people for their culture 11:38:14 :D 11:38:41 Anyway, love i endor 11:38:51 Anyway, love u endor 12:04:39 If you call that an insult... 12:10:46 <123bob123:matrix.org> merica! 12:52:57 Update on Monero Garden project: https://twitter.com/anhdres/status/1702303928530936206?t=eWOsKH_nwVqAGieL4Ziluw&s=19 14:30:58 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/fRhvSvnoMzDpZambyIDexlEu 14:30:59 Hi guys, 14:30:59 I finally got access to LLamaV2 withing HuggingFace, am testing the 13B model, am asking a couple of questions about XMR: 14:31:35 Answer: Sure, I'd be happy to help you get started with Monero XMR! Here's a step-by-step guide on how to obtain Monero XMR, set up a Monero XMR wallet, and some other information you might find useful: 14:31:35 Obtaining Monero XMR: 14:31:35 1. Buy Monero XMR from a cryptocurrency exchange: You can buy Monero XMR from various cryptocurrency exchanges such as Binance, Kraken, and Bitfinex. You'll need to create an account on the exchange, verify your identity, and then deposit funds (such as Bitcoin or Ethereum) to buy Monero XMR. 14:31:36 2. Use a Monero XMR ATM: If you prefer to buy Monero XMR in person, you can use a Monero XMR ATM. These machines are available in select locations around the world and allow you to buy Monero XMR with cash. 14:31:36 3. Participate in a Monero XMR faucet: A Monero XMR faucet is a website that gives away small amounts of Monero XMR for free. This is a great way to get started with Monero XMR without having to spend any money. 14:31:37 Setting up a Monero XMR wallet: 14:31:37 1. Download a Monero XMR wallet: You can download a Monero XMR wallet from the official Monero website. There are several different wallets available, including a desktop wallet, a mobile wallet, and a web wallet. 14:31:38 2. Create a Monero XMR wallet: Once you've downloaded the wallet, you'll need to create a new wallet. This will involve choosing a password and setting up a PIN to secure your wallet. 14:31:38 3. Fund your Monero XMR wallet: Once you have a Monero XMR wallet set up, you can fund it with Monero XMR. You can do this by sending Monero XMR to your wallet address from an exchange or another Monero XMR wallet. 14:31:39 Using Monero XMR: 14:31:39 1. Use Monero XMR for privacy-focused transactions: One of the main benefits of Monero XMR is its focus on privacy. When you use Monero XMR, your transactions are encrypted and your identity is hidden, making it difficult for others to track your activity. 14:31:40 2. Use Monero XMR for online purchases: Monero XMR can be used for online purchases at select merchants. You can find a list of merchants who accept Monero XMR on the official Monero website. 14:31:40 3. Use Monero XMR for peer-to-peer transactions: Monero XMR can also be used for peer-to-peer transactions, allowing you to send and receive Monero XMR directly with other users without the need for intermediaries. 14:31:41 Other information: 14:31:41 1. Monero XMR is a decentralized cryptocurrency: Monero XMR is a decentralized cryptocurrency, meaning that it is not controlled by any government or institution. Transactions are recorded on a public ledger called the blockchain, which is maintained by a network of computers around the world. 14:31:42 2. Monero XMR has a strong focus on privacy: Monero XMR is designed to be a privacy-focused cryptocurrency, with features such as ring signatures, zero-knowledge proofs, and stealth addresses to protect user identity and transaction information. 14:35:26 I have got the plan, to create an HuggingFace Dataset for fine-tuning LLamaV2 to become an XMR master. BTW it is important to have a clean dataset of around ~1000 clean examples. 14:35:26 After having uploaded the HuggingFace Dataset, anyone can start fine tuning, that is also my plan, even though it's not going to be quick and cheap, but definitely cool. 14:35:26 Long story short: I cannot create the repo with the 1000 samples by myself, anyone is interested in doing this step. 14:35:51 START Answer: Sure, I'd be happy to help you get started with Monero XMR! Here's a step-by-step guide on how to obtain Monero XMR, set up a Monero XMR wallet, and some other information you might find useful: 14:35:51 Obtaining Monero XMR: 14:35:51 1. Buy Monero XMR from a cryptocurrency exchange: You can buy Monero XMR from various cryptocurrency exchanges such as Binance, Kraken, and Bitfinex. You'll need to create an account on the exchange, verify your identity, and then deposit funds (such as Bitcoin or Ethereum) to buy Monero XMR. 14:35:52 2. Use a Monero XMR ATM: If you prefer to buy Monero XMR in person, you can use a Monero XMR ATM. These machines are available in select locations around the world and allow you to buy Monero XMR with cash. 14:35:52 3. Participate in a Monero XMR faucet: A Monero XMR faucet is a website that gives away small amounts of Monero XMR for free. This is a great way to get started with Monero XMR without having to spend any money. 14:35:53 Setting up a Monero XMR wallet: 14:35:53 1. Download a Monero XMR wallet: You can download a Monero XMR wallet from the official Monero website. There are several different wallets available, including a desktop wallet, a mobile wallet, and a web wallet. 14:35:54 2. Create a Monero XMR wallet: Once you've downloaded the wallet, you'll need to create a new wallet. This will involve choosing a password and setting up a PIN to secure your wallet. 14:35:54 3. Fund your Monero XMR wallet: Once you have a Monero XMR wallet set up, you can fund it with Monero XMR. You can do this by sending Monero XMR to your wallet address from an exchange or another Monero XMR wallet. 14:35:55 Using Monero XMR: 14:35:55 1. Use Monero XMR for privacy-focused transactions: One of the main benefits of Monero XMR is its focus on privacy. When you use Monero XMR, your transactions are encrypted and your identity is hidden, making it difficult for others to track your activity. 14:35:56 2. Use Monero XMR for online purchases: Monero XMR can be used for online purchases at select merchants. You can find a list of merchants who accept Monero XMR on the official Monero website. 14:35:56 3. Use Monero XMR for peer-to-peer transactions: Monero XMR can also be used for peer-to-peer transactions, allowing you to send and receive Monero XMR directly with other users without the need for intermediaries. 14:35:57 Other information: 14:35:57 1. Monero XMR is a decentralized cryptocurrency: Monero XMR is a decentralized cryptocurrency, meaning that it is not controlled by any government or institution. Transactions are recorded on a public ledger called the blockchain, which is maintained by a network of computers around the world. 14:35:58 2. Monero XMR has a strong focus on privacy: Monero XMR is designed to be a privacy-focused cryptocurrency, with features such as ring signatures, zero-knowledge proofs, and stealth addresses to protect user identity and transaction information. 14:38:58 Edge7 please https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20230914#c279583 14:39:35 I have got the plan, to create an HuggingFace Dataset for fine-tuning LLamaV2 to become an XMR master. BTW it is important to have a clean dataset of around ~1000 clean examples. 14:39:35 After having uploaded the HuggingFace Dataset, anyone can start fine tuning, that is also my plan, even though it's not going to be quick and cheap, but definitely cool. 14:39:36 Long story short: I cannot create the repo with the 1000 samples by myself, anyone is interested in doing this step? 14:39:36 The format needs to be in a particular way 14:39:38 A gist/pastebin would be useful for all to read 14:39:44 sure 14:40:19 is llama 2 even open source? 14:40:26 i think their license is very yikes 14:40:34 The answer is visible here: 14:40:34 https://pastecode.io/s/9qmfbmv0 14:41:37 https://blog.opensource.org/metas-llama-2-license-is-not-open-source/ 14:42:42 yes it is not 100% Open Source, BTW I am not a license expert. It is deffo the best free available to use model out there. 14:44:18 this is the licence: 14:44:18 https://ai.meta.com/llama/license/ 14:47:57 I am mentioning this, as If I am not wrong few days ago, a desire for an XMR bot came out and I said I would have tested LLamaV2 as other people mentioned other LLMs such as gpt4All which I had tested time ago with bad result 14:50:38 just make sure your xmr bot isn't monetized and hopefully you won't have any license issues. 14:51:45 oh wait, maybe it's fine, i don't really understand their non-commercial clause 14:54:24 my plan was to introduce it in the monero website or here, or somewhere for the new joiner really 14:56:36 These bots have poor accuracy. Not good enough for Monero. 14:57:42 but the route to having something up & running is far, the dataset needs to come first. Also the infrastructure part is pretty heavy. I can allocate some training costs to my self, but cannot allocate the inference costs to myself in case the fine tuned model is good and we want to productionalise 14:58:11 that is the reason for fine tuning! 15:12:49 yes I have seen it, it misses the tail emission 15:12:49 The section about setting up a wallet doesn't really distinguish between the wallet *software* and the actual wallet keys/files that it creates 15:12:50 BTW there is no particular point in judging LLamaV2 as it is. Is the concept of fine tuning clear ? 15:12:50 also having a dataset in HuggingFace is not a bad thing, it is still 'advertisment' for XMR 15:12:51 I know, I was just pointing out some specific areas that may need more tuning 15:12:51 (Though I'm not entirely sure what that entails) 15:12:52 As in: do you just feed it monero docs and stuff? Are there some specific steps/instructions that can be added to the prompt to better steer the reply? 15:12:52 (/ 15:12:53 * Like prepending stuff 15:12:53 I don't really see the point because all of these questions are a search engine query away? 15:12:54 Let's say the it's going to be a bunch of Q&A, like: 15:12:54 Hi, what mobile wallets are available? 15:12:55 Hi there, there are several mobile wallets, the most famous ones are Monerujo & Monero.com (cake wallet) 15:12:55 the format needs to be in a particular way, to be understood by LLamaV2, but that is okay, a simple Python script will then transform it before feeding 15:12:56 It would be nice to invest time to auto generate documentation about things like wallet RPC server instead 15:12:56 And not using AI/ML models 15:12:57 Perhaps using openapi 15:12:57 I think Monero has definitely a documentation problem. 15:15:24 BTW, I am keen to start creating the dataset with the little I know. Does anyone here know somebody handling the Monero Doc repo (https://monerodocs.org/) 15:15:24 We already have some sort of a bot 😄https://github.com/sausagenoods/monero2425 15:15:46 With a very good dataset https://github.com/sausagenoods/monero2425/blob/master/2425.json 15:17:24 ahah yes, that's state of art. 15:17:54 It's just not allowed to participate in the chats 😶 15:20:40 BTW as I said above, am willing to start the thing. I can create a standalone repo in GitHub, under my account. 15:20:40 I can start adding Q&A, but my knowledge is limited. 15:20:40 So I'll ping back here, for asking for some contribution. It should not take much to create a reasonable Q & A set, to upload it into HuggingFace and then potentially try a fine tuning. 17:00:15 Revuo Monero Issue 186: September 7 - 14, 2023. https://revuo-xmr.com/issue-186.html 19:29:16 monerosupplies.com has moved to Bitcart and accepts Monero / Litecoin / BTC for payment https://monerosupplies.com/2023/09/14/new-payment-options-gateway/ (when will it accept BCH monerobull? 😳) 19:29:59 Lol 19:30:02 I specifically excluded that 19:30:26 Cake doesn't have it either 19:38:19 Not for long 😉 19:38:30 StackWallet has BCH, also WOW 19:38:58 besides 19:39:03 we dont need bch, we have monero 19:39:54 Why do you need ltc? 19:41:01 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 19:41:47 its bigger marketcap than xmr 19:41:51 i guess 19:42:55 idk, i dont expect to make sales in it but it was an option so why not 19:43:58 Some free market research: Pro-Monero sentiment is much stronger in the BCH community than the LTC community. 19:44:22 But, do what you want. It's your store :) 19:44:24 but bCash is a shitcoin and kayabanerve doesnt like it 19:44:32 Ok but I don't see a purpose for bcash 19:44:35 so its not on monerosupplies 19:44:49 Neither for LTC but at least it's bigger than bch 19:44:50 next question 19:45:28 Rucknium: if you can recommend me a good mobile wallet I'll add it 19:45:54 Even though it fucks with the formatting on checkout if I write another coin name 19:46:07 Stack wallet has it. Not good enough? Do you need a multicoin wallet? 19:46:30 ah ok 19:46:35 <123bob123:matrix.org> Stack duo or gtfo :) 19:46:47 Electron Cash on mobile is full-featured. 19:47:59 when the firo wallet has 100 downloads 💀 19:48:27 Stack has wownero so it must be good 19:48:43 <123bob123:matrix.org> People firo it 19:48:51 <123bob123:matrix.org> I’m here all week 19:52:10 forego r-right? 19:52:21 if yes then i got the joke 19:52:29 stack syncs so slowly 19:52:47 im on my local lan node, why is it so slow 19:53:06 we tricked you into beta testing stackwallet sorry #stackwallet:cypherstack.com 19:53:20 Syncs fine 4 me 19:53:29 finally, a tester! 19:53:56 ofrnxmr has reported many issues with the wallet, so there may be issues 19:54:33 ofrn is picky 19:55:01 can you use remote nodes in simplemode in the gui 19:55:44 no, it just starts a node lol 19:56:36 in advanced mode, you can select a remote node , in simple, the option is hidden 19:56:51 Use wownero, you can sync a full node in a few minutes 19:57:12 im selling monero for steam wallet funds ok 19:58:23 only 2k blocks since ive wrote this 19:59:24 but overall, congratulations for switching to another payment processor (in fact you currently have both enabled monero-php wordpress things + bitcart, the first time ive seen this i think... hopefully we can get acceptXMR as a third alternative (rust) payment processor one day!) 19:59:52 <123bob123:matrix.org> Pwnd 20:00:15 <123bob123:matrix.org> What is happening with acceptxmr? 20:00:57 MoneroPay wen sir? 20:01:25 last major update was to patch a vulnerability spirobel / boog900 found + miscellaneous... busyboredom is still etching away at it 👍️ 20:01:54 https://gitlab.com/moneropay/moneropay 20:02:07 the animated video proposal of vostoemisio is almost completed also 20:02:27 Yup! 20:02:28 We need more payment processors, it's the key to adoption 20:02:41 yeah the other one was broken and me and my hoster couldnt figure out whats wrong 20:03:59 more processors also means 'different docs' / ways of installing/using that appeal to different audiences 20:04:38 i tried to install it on monero.town 😳 20:04:49 but it didnt like my alternative ports 20:04:51 moneropay has some pretty / to the point docs with docker installs to get you up and running fast https://moneropay.eu/guide/install.html 20:05:24 so now i know how subdomains work 20:06:05 docs from bitcart https://docs.bitcart.ai/ 20:06:23 ive also accidentally bought 2 vms .-. 20:06:25 ive also accidentally bought 2 vps .-. 20:07:03 still cheaper than njalla 20:07:19 oh and bitcart has tor support 20:10:04 <123bob123:matrix.org> Most things are cheaper then njalla 20:10:10 <123bob123:matrix.org> And better specs 20:10:28 privacy tax :'( 20:11:56 nah 20:12:15 they are outright shit 20:12:36 njalla has alot of downtime too right? i would avoid just for that 20:13:00 uh servers down for 4 days, what do we do guys? how about we will insult people who complain about it on twitter? genius 20:13:09 also, 10% extra fee if you pay with monero lol 20:18:34 <123bob123:matrix.org> Yeah 20:18:46 <123bob123:matrix.org> Trying to get other vps to accept xmr 20:19:34 <123bob123:matrix.org> I know one i asked will when they change to btcpay server 20:24:34 man monero is cool 20:53:21 Yep AcceptXMR is still in progress Dan r/dark (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate ), It's going slower than I wanted because of the vulns + me moving across the country, but it is not abandoned 🙂 20:53:21 Currently, I have a minimal service dockerized and most of the configuration logic written. Next up is solidifying the API and improving test coverage, and then I'll be able to claim the first CCS milestone. 21:04:02 Only with the fundamentals 21:05:20 The list i gave of "needs" for stack is ... 21:06:53