00:49:22 That sounds interesting. That would need adoption, as services like doordash have the customers and them employees. 00:50:27 In terms of conversion between cryptocurrency and fiat, it might be up to the employee to provide fiat when going into the restaurant. After they deliver, they are reimbursed with cryptocurrency. 00:50:50 This service is not worth 25k, at most 5k 00:51:32 The hard part wouldn't be the development, but rather adoption. 00:52:23 I read your idea wrong, I was thinking of some kind of proxy. Your idea is also another valid idea. 00:53:13 The latter would be a little easier to implement. 01:09:11 I was speaking with an acquantiance and he was thinking that if we could have it decentralized and automated with drivers having to stake an amount of xmr and be verified to drive in order to work, to make sure there's no scamming 01:09:52 Do you mean like a software that everyone runs on their devices that peers with others, like neroshop? 01:10:02 https://github.com/larteyoh/testshop 01:10:09 I would love to try and put an idea like this into work but the only wonders are who's gonna program it, who will adopt it, and most importantly who will fund it? 01:11:15 It would be nice, but I don't feel that it would succeed. 01:11:33 I think maybe a SMALL test run in a city like dc (since it's in my vicinity) should be ran to see if this idea coild even be applicable right? 01:11:56 I can easily knock out the backend in a few months or so, multisig another month, but I don't feel it would be worth my time because I don't see it succeeding. 01:11:57 I mean if we could provide better rates then doordash then possibly 01:12:01 A PoC might be nice. 01:12:28 How would a normie acquire btc/xmr? Or would it have options for crypto->fiat and fiat->crypto. 01:13:01 I would like to say smth like moonpay or smth but idk 01:14:05 My acquantiance said it should be bitcoin oriented with xmr as a choice since everyone knows btc and xmr is basically the criminal crypto 01:14:42 There's probably a market there considering how many sweaty neckbeards here probably LIVE off of doordash 01:15:41 I didn't know doordash and the such were popular 01:15:54 I didn't know doordash and the such were popular at all 01:16:05 They're mad popular here 01:16:14 Not only that but there's also btc atms in every gas station 01:17:21 I've seen bitcoin (KYC) atms in grocery stores 01:17:33 They only kyc if you do a specific amount 01:17:37 Like a couple hundred 01:17:53 Do btc is easily accessible 01:20:53 So big market there 01:21:03 And btc is easily accessible in america 01:21:16 So the main challenge is adoption from the stores 01:21:47 I would probably look at how doordash was adopted in stores 01:23:04 https://get.doordash.com/en-us/blog/adding-delivery-to-your-restaurant 01:23:04 https://get.doordash.com/en-us/integrations 01:23:05 Seems they provide PoS integration 01:23:25 https://get.doordash.com/en-us/products/marketplace 01:23:39 Almost EVERY store does doordash 01:23:53 What would be needed for integration would be a SaaS-esque service like this marketplace thing 01:24:05 But doordash probably offers bad rates 01:25:05 1. Make an account for your business. 01:25:05 2. Download the app or use PoS integration 01:25:06 3. Accept and manage orders through that thing. 01:25:06 Not sure if crypto would be self-custodial or not. That option can be given. 01:26:47 I mean we should hold the xmr for like a day before we send it to the seller right? 01:26:56 What if the customer wants a refund 01:27:18 From what I'm looking at online, there is a support system 01:27:45 LocalMonero has moderators that can step in anytime. The seller and buyer finalize the order 01:28:39 Decentralization won't work without a given arbitration bond of some sorts, but that gives a price to start. You'd have to deposit xmr to begin with. 01:28:49 Still unsure if you are looking for SaaS like LocalMonero or decentralized 01:28:49 I wanna think of a localmonero approach 01:29:14 Where it's a degree of p2p but mods can step in 01:30:03 We have the option of doing it like doordash or doing it like localmonero 01:30:19 If you would like to execute this, gather some more community support. I'm neutral on this idea, but with a PoC, I'd probably give you a +1 01:30:44 I will have a time slot opening in a couple of months. You'd need a CCS from the developers, 'project manager' CCS's don't work AFAIK 01:31:27 I mean a know a couple guys in the community so i'll see what they think and if they can get some people to help me write up a proof of concept 01:31:35 I mean i know a couple guys in the community so i'll see what they think and if they can get some people to help me write up a proof of concept 01:33:47 But i'd like to have you on board to help with the concept tho because you have a lot of good ideas for the project 01:33:53 Now that I think about it, it would be easier to buy a doordash gift card and use that. With cryptocurrency, you're limiting your market. I'm not sure on how well it would do. Tax regulations and whatnot 01:35:03 We have to be the better option for businesses too 01:35:16 And workers 01:35:40 Not sure. It is an interesting idea 01:38:22 You have a lot of good ideas so i want you on board 01:38:53 I'mma go n tell a couple friends i know in the community and see what they think abt it 01:39:04 It's a good thing you're ambitious. I like that you are. Throw any ideas you have at me 01:39:34 I'll need a partner for this anyways since i'm still in school 01:40:01 I'll still be 10 toes deep into the project don't worry about me flaking or anything 01:42:25 If we can outline a real concept for this project i'll be putting my blood sweat n tears into this 01:42:49 I don't want to mess up the channel so i'll contact you in dms 05:29:06 CCS update: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371#note_22460 07:39:02 ``` 07:39:02 I elected not to collect the first half upon funding and instead receive the full payout once the film is qualified for Oscar consideration, which will be done by next Friday, 28 September. 07:39:02 ``` 07:39:49 So, were paying him BACK retroactively?! Wasnt this pot harping on about kettle kayabanerve 07:41:52 ``` 07:41:52 please let me know. As noted in the proposal, I make no guarantees that we will win an Oscar or be nominated -- that's not what this is about. It's about getting behind a project as a community and seeing how far it can go. The Oscar is the moon. 07:41:53 ``` 07:41:53 literall moonboy ccs 07:42:10 L m f a o 07:43:43 ``` 07:43:43 On a not so grateful note, I'd like to add that since opening this proposal, I've been on the receiving end of a campaign of harassment, abuse, libel and doxxing 07:43:43 ``` 07:43:44 George Nicholas. You opened your ccs under your government name. Doxxing ?! 🤣😭🤣💀🤣🤣😭🤣🤣😂😭😭😭 07:43:44 ``` 07:43:45 -- threatened and actual 07:43:45 ``` 07:43:46 Threats towards you now?! Lmfao 07:43:46 ``` 07:43:47 -- by a group of vindictive downvoters, some of whom are in this thread. These purported "community members" are actively working against the wishes of the donors who supported the proposal. I view this behavior as a long-term threat to the CCS and hope some remedial action is taken. 07:43:47 ``` 07:43:48 dick eater 07:44:22 Figure of speech ^, dont cry now 07:46:05 ``` 07:46:05 ive been on the receiving end 07:46:06 ``` 07:46:06 Well, dont cook in the kitchen if you dont want your food criticized. (trash) 07:46:51 ^^ why are we paying him milestone 1? 07:47:30 ``` 07:47:30 The film must be publicly exhibited for paid admission in a movie theater in Los Angeles or New York City for one week: https://www.oscars.org/sites/oscars/files/93aa_short_films.pdf This is the cheaper option at about $3K, but films that qualify with a festival win are preferred by Academy voters, so we'll try the festival route first. 07:47:31 ``` 07:47:47 Were payong 12k for 3k worth of fees, retrpactively? 07:47:55 S C A M M E R 07:48:23 i need a better word for this slimy snakeoil salesmen 07:48:36 <123bob123:matrix.org> also can you please keep your proposal to one fictional storyline and not add another 07:50:36 luigi1111: why are we paying him 12k for a 3k milestone? 07:51:14 Or better said, are we paying him?? Or is this up for discussion 07:52:03 Lol 07:52:07 Plowsof asked him to lower cost, and use the second option (3k). 07:52:08 he didnt. 07:52:08 now he wants to use second option AND collect in full? Clownery 07:54:34 `doxxing` 🤣 07:55:46 he CHANGED his Gitlab name to "mark of distinction" from "George Nicholas" 07:56:54 Theres definitely a malicious group here, but its not the one geodude talks about 07:58:19 Its the group of ILLOGICAL, LYING, SCAMMING, CHEATING, pansies 07:59:03 Bunch of circlejerkers with 0 care for monero. Lets just help out friends 07:59:34 "featuring monero" > not even in script. Nothing about that "group" is even real 08:00:41 "win an oscar" > lie 08:00:53 🌶️ 08:01:04 this ccs is almost as bad as ercicciones haveno frontend scam 08:01:16 0 intention to deliver anything 08:01:29 Whole ccs written full of lies and misdirections 08:02:16 And this guy says..x 08:02:56 ``` 08:02:56 On a not so grateful note, I'd like to add that since opening this proposal, I've been on the receiving end of a campaign of harassment, abuse, libel and doxxing -- threatened and actual -- by a group of vindictive downvoters, some of whom are in this thread. These purported "community members" are actively working against the wishes of the donors who supported the proposal. I vie 08:02:57 w this behavior as a long-term threat to the CCS and hope some remedial action is taken. 08:02:57 ``` 08:03:17 0 downvoted on kaya ccs. This guy trying to block fungible monero 08:03:40 I respect ruck and koe for their actual input. Geodude is just a hippo with an inferiority complex. Period 08:03:55 <123bob123:matrix.org> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/899 08:04:00 <123bob123:matrix.org> had enough 08:08:25 <123bob123:matrix.org> @plowsof can this discussed in next community meeting 08:15:11 -xmr-pr- [meta] dan-is-not-the-man opened issue #899: Matrix/IRC Lack of proper moderation 08:15:11 -xmr-pr- > https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/899 08:24:56 ``` 08:24:56 jw 08:24:57 @jwinterm 08:24:57 7 months ago 08:24:58 I have seen the film, and it is very well put together. I have met George irl, 08:24:58 ``` 08:24:59 doxxed by your supporter 08:59:20 I doxxed george :o 09:03:40 it is funny how everyone has their own "scam" line ofrnxmr 09:04:08 we have now determined that seeking to raise $25k for a gif from a movie you already made crosses ofrnxmr's scam threshold :D 09:05:24 is printing millions of ripple tokens from thin air and selling them for a decade a scam? 09:05:42 is having a presale for your radical eth killer a scam? 09:05:49 is buying monero.com and shilling your tangentially related software there a scam? 09:06:07 depends on your perspective I guess 09:06:57 What ? 09:07:45 I dunno, monday morning philosophical ramblings of a lunatic because ofrnxmr just tagged me with a link to hundreds of pages of screenshots of him calling geonic a scammer 09:08:21 Okay 09:08:55 <123bob123:matrix.org> i must of been looking at something different 09:09:15 <123bob123:matrix.org> cause mostly it was being called an alt and mods disappeared 09:09:30 He said he was doxxed, but he doxxed himself. Only point i was making 09:09:33 <123bob123:matrix.org> or one rule for the and not fo rme 09:09:48 oic 09:10:46 And said he was doxxed by bad actors (anyone who didnt support the ccs) 09:10:53 :D 09:11:01 I am not a good thespian 09:11:51 maybe it's just...scams all the way down :o https://i.imgur.com/052coFb.png 09:12:56 Well, theres a difference between selling unicorns and selling actual goods 09:13:06 Some scams are more blatant and disrespectful than others 09:14:48 Haveno front end, 6 months. 09:14:49 disclaimer: no backend included 09:14:49 disclaimer 2: no front end either 09:15:29 <123bob123:matrix.org> so is cake funding the backend development? 09:15:39 Whole ccs convo spoke about backend and governance, but NONE of that has anything to do with the ccs. The ccs was for a frontend ONLY 09:15:43 Yea 09:15:44 lol 09:18:33 And regarding this 09:19:59 The ccs TITLE is a lie. 09:19:59 it doesnt feature monero, and were not helping it _win_ an oscar 09:20:22 Monero isnt even in the script. Bitcoin is. 09:22:36 The milestones were setup with 0 deliverables, first milestone is literally paying his submission fees and winning ay any if them (10k) OR paying 3k to have the movie played at a theater for a week. 09:22:37 he close the lower cost option, but still wants the full payment 09:23:29 The lower cost option allows him to collect the full amount without ever making a run at the oscars 09:23:44 And an pocket the extra 10k 09:24:05 So ye, "crosses my threshold" 09:24:41 I think core team spending 2500xmr on a domain is a terrible use of developer funds. 09:25:12 So i dont really care who owns monero.com. @ 400k, and with out broke asses, we dont need and cant afford it 09:26:07 Monero.org is more appropriate anyway. Lets empty the generalfund and buy both 09:29:13 Seraphis can stay 6 years away. 🥳 cuz we have a domain 09:44:07 maybe the ultimate outcome is that geonic starts the downfall and dissolution of monero core team and that is actually something that has to happen for monero to grow beyond its current state of existing with a caretaker 09:44:31 and so by scamming geonic actually saves monero and ensures its future dominance in brypto universe 09:46:27 Why do you speak as though core team controls the direction of monero? They havent stewarded the project in a long time 09:46:48 Monero "governance" hasnt been followed in years 09:47:14 I called corporate today to say i'd need a day off (gum/tooth pain) no response yet so ill put the meeting issue up for this saturday. I also wanted to share a serious offer we've got from zksecurity to work on the seraphis papers and a price change to the bp++ review at the next MRL meeting. Perhaps raising/spending large amounts of money on core 09:47:14 things will cheer us up 09:47:49 Thanks plowsof. If you need, i can pull the tooth for you 09:50:51 <123bob123:matrix.org> i have a door and string if that helps 09:55:27 their continued existence as gatekeepers of fundraising and commits to github AFTER they have basically controlled the project for the first decade means that simply existing makes them appear as a controlling entity, whatever the reality of the situation may be 09:55:45 I think it was a great thing for bitcoin that the bitcoin foundation was composed of a few scammers and it fell apart quickly 09:56:03 the same is not true for monero, and so you have at least this appearance of control by a shadowy group of super coders 09:56:21 who make unilateral decisions regarding the CCS that piss you off to no end 09:59:31 Thats so weirdly off target im not sure what to say 09:59:36 <123bob123:matrix.org> is this not shifting the blame? 10:01:33 Its not even true. At least, not anymore. Luigi merges what selsta sends him. 10:01:33 Luigi doesnt choose the commits. 10:02:10 he chooses who gets to ask for money, to your chagrin 10:02:18 and he merges commits 10:02:40 so you have one organization, one person really, controlling purse strings and github commits, or at least the appearance of such 10:03:01 it just doesn't seem ideal for a nominally decentralized cryptocurrency imo 10:03:11 ccs he seems to make decisions on his own 10:03:18 Github, he does not 10:03:29 but he is the ultimate button pusher, no? 10:03:40 Someone has to be 10:03:52 bien sûr 10:04:09 And selsta is the filter before him, community devs before that 10:04:36 and on the ccs side you are the filter, and I am the filter 10:04:41 but he is still the button pusher 10:04:50 Nah 10:05:09 and vik is the filter 10:05:14 On ccs, were ignored sometimes. Money talks 10:05:33 if myself and vik didn't support geonic, do you think luigi1111 would have merged? 10:05:48 I'm not sure, but I lean no 10:05:55 and maybe part of that was Vik promising to donate a bunch 10:06:01 which is why plowsof is comnunity funded to manage it 10:06:06 No 10:06:09 that is some kind of filtering 10:06:10 ok 10:06:46 I also got banned for saying as much 11:25:45 Chill on allat big bro das cocksucking 11:30:11 -xmr-pr- [meta] plowsof opened issue #900: Monero Community Workgroup Meeting: Saturday 30th September 2023 @ 15:... 11:30:11 -xmr-pr- > https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/900 11:30:11 -xmr-pr- [css-proposals] Joyce121 opened issue #77: Jackpot Jill Casino: Where Australian Players Chase Big Wins 11:30:11 -xmr-pr- > https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/issues/77 11:30:44 Vik is aight 11:31:24 Monero.com is a slightly useless version of cake wallet so i don't see the point of it 11:31:36 nioc: [meta] plowsof opened issue #900: Monero Community Workgroup Meeting: Saturday 30th September 2023 @ 15:00 11:33:10 Ppl wanted monero only wallet, they delivered 11:34:24 There's already one that is definitively better so what's the point 11:36:32 Does anyone here use FlokiNET for domains? I noticed they accept XMR as payment. Perhaps any other registrars? 11:37:44