02:14:12 <m-relay> <a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Heyyyy
02:14:20 <m-relay> <a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I'm free
02:15:03 <m-relay> <a​lpharabius:matrix.org> And i have a couple friends
02:15:45 <m-relay> <a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I'm gonna ask my man jswagger what he thinks about it
07:33:35 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> bitmain x5 miner pics also available on imgur https://imgur.com/a/S03VsWf with video/comments on the r*ddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/16txlhq/bitmains_x5_has_been_cracked_open_here_is_whats/
07:51:43 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> lol if these machines really did cost them +20k per piece
09:54:48 <m-relay> <v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Hey Everyone,
09:54:49 <m-relay> <v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Just bumping our animated explainer about the Tail emission again since I just published it on Youtube to make it easier to view. Please see the link below. Looking forward to further comments and feedback, thanks!
09:54:49 <m-relay> <v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjn9l3hG4ME
09:54:50 <m-relay> <v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> //VOSTO
10:03:33 <m-relay> <e​dge7:matrix.org> the design/video/pictures are awesome.
10:03:33 <m-relay> <e​dge7:matrix.org> The content also, but I need to listen it again with some more calm, to check if there is anything odd (given my knowledge obviously)
10:05:39 <m-relay> <v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Thanks! Looking forward to hearing more feedback after you've rewatched it 👍️
14:51:01 <m-relay> <p​olar9669:matrix.org> Calculated on retail price of these components
14:52:35 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> Well yeah
14:53:37 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> Still not going to be profitable, even if it's costing them a quarter of retail price
17:05:54 <m-relay> <w​izeguyy:tchncs.de> Is anyone here willing to share an opinion on zkSTARKs vs ring sigs? I'm explaining the tradeoffs to someone, and all I can come up with is proof size and complexity vs anonymity set size. Curious if anyone has a better take
18:00:17 <revuoxmr> Revuo Monero Issue 187: September 14 - 28, 2023. https://revuo-xmr.com/issue-187.html
18:28:27 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> Verification time idk
18:29:39 <m-relay> <a​js_:matrix.org> trusted setup is a nonstarter
18:39:01 <rbrunner> It's a bit easy to get lost with all those STARKS, SNARKS and whatever. IMHO it would be easier to compare actual, running implementations instead of mere technologies that we even may get wrong.
18:40:57 <rbrunner> The elefant in the room is probably Zcash which did away with the trusted setup. Still going nowhere, but you have to give them that.
18:41:32 <rbrunner> Optional privacy is the big non-starter for me :)
18:44:08 <rbrunner> Some info about some Ethereum second layers that also seem to use S(T|N)ARKS: https://ethereum.org/en/developers/docs/scaling/zk-rollups/
18:47:48 <m-relay> <a​js_:matrix.org> in most, if not all, these zk rollup projects, the devs have "admin key" to freeze transactions
18:51:08 <m-relay> <a​js_:matrix.org> Ethereum people view this backdoor as a feature, or "training wheels" as they call it
18:54:25 <rbrunner> Oh, yeah, for extra fun :)
18:54:33 <rbrunner> I guess that's a feature of the underlying smart contracts, not of the anonymity technology per se?
18:55:53 <rbrunner> Probably only one dev going rogue away from total disaster. Shut up and take my life savings.
18:56:03 <m-relay> <a​js_:matrix.org> i presume. haven't look at it too closely
18:57:32 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> I like the chain link guy
18:57:33 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> Who said only BTC, eth and link are decentralized
18:57:38 <rbrunner> Me neither. Somehow I don't think it's worth my time ..
18:57:49 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> Then he says decentralization means transparency
18:58:09 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> All while his entire project is built on a 4/9 multisig
18:58:25 <rbrunner> That's a bit transparent as a claim, har har
18:59:34 <rbrunner> 4/9, really?
19:00:13 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> Yeah
19:00:33 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> This week they also quietly went from 4/9 to 4/8 lol
19:00:37 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> https://cryptopotato.com/chainlink-addresses-controversial-multisig-wallet-signer-changes/
19:00:48 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> I believe they are back to 4/9 now but still
19:01:51 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> This is the admin multisig that can change any chainlink price feed lol
19:02:20 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> When that gets compromised, damage could be insane
19:10:30 <m-relay> <w​izeguyy:tchncs.de> AFAICT sTarks are not trusted. sNarks are. But yeah, I've generally stayed away from those projects for similar reasons