04:50:47 Potential CCS 05:04:04 <4rkal:matrix.org> If anyone is participating in hacktoberfest I have added the hacktoberfest tag to the MoneroOS GitHub so that all contributions made to MoneroOS will count towards your hacktoberfest total. 05:04:45 <4rkal:matrix.org> I urge other members of the community to do the same. Just takes like 30 seconds and you might get some new contributors 05:05:48 <4rkal:matrix.org> More info: https://hacktoberfest.com/participation/ 08:47:22 Ideas page 50% funded https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/ 🫡 and we have a new CCS proposal idea today from the Atomic Swaps Desktop GUI https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/411 11:28:47 @plowsof regarding bp++, are we going to "edit" the old ccs? Or 11:28:47 open a new one for 32k and transfer old funds? Or 11:28:48 or just open a new one for 7k difference? 11:48:30 ofrnxmr or insta top up from general fund. core will be around to discuss it 11:49:06 this week* (they have to be here to handle release) so we just twiddle our thumbs for a bit 11:49:56 what do you think? my wish was just a GF top up (with the new scope to be merged onto the CCS page) 11:53:24 GF didn't [have time to] donate to the initial proposal. Funds were raised too quickly. 11:53:24 GF, imo, should donate this time around. 11:53:57 This sounds good 2 me 11:57:48 we're also getting closer to obtaining an invoice for this proposal "this week" (https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/36c3.html . no idea of the amount unpaid yet, but it will hopefully free up some more funds for the project. 12:00:18 ``` 12:00:18 We are asking for 560 XMR to make this happen. Our budget can be viewed on this Google Sheet. (yeah yeah, google. Save the flak. We're working on it.) WARNING! Because it is Google, use a private or incognito window to open it unless you don't mind a Google related identity leaking. 12:00:19 ``` 12:00:32 Dan r/dark (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate ): haha 12:01:13 Diego must have got pitchforked before he could finish 12:01:37 Now we have a dead taiga instance and midi's google drive 12:01:51 GUPAX has been maintained for around 9 months now ~ ... bigmenpixel is still maintaining the flathub monero-gui however is being delayed (through no fault of his own) from unlocking the first milestone 12:02:18 the flathub monero-gui issue was also promised to be resolved "next week" 12:03:42 Bigmenpixel has been doing the work for a long time. Nothing but appreciation for his time and efforts. 12:06:36 55eur/xmr 12:06:52 Since these invoices are paid in fiat rates 12:07:04 Are we loading up the jetfund with the overage? 12:07:44 Paying ~200xmr instead of 560 12:07:51 Still 28k 12:08:14 50% of the funds where released / paid - so there are 280 left to pay the mystery invoice 12:08:15 id like it if some of the general fund was used to provide liquidity on serai 12:08:36 So 14k was released? 12:08:37 so 100 more xmr 12:09:40 general fund expiry on refund for 2500 xmr is soon, i think? Need to check bF's reddit post 12:10:49 when MAGIC gets a proposal to 'add liquidity to my DeX' what happens monerobull 😄 12:12:11 ``` 12:12:11 Last October we received a massive (2500 XMR) donation, and the donor expressed the intent of purchasing the domain Monero.com. After discussions with the current owner of that domain, we did not come to an agreement. If the person who donated 2500 XMR were to reach out to me, I am willing to refund this donation to them, as an exception. For practical reasons, this offer will not 12:12:11 stand indefinitely, so I will set a deadline of 1st of September 2023 for this person to contact me directly and prove themselves cryptographically. 12:12:12 ``` 12:12:27 cant 12:12:34 So.. were keeping the money for development. Right?? 12:12:40 conflict of interest thanks to kayaba 12:12:42 Sept 1 passed 12:13:08 in general, "give my DeX liquidity" is rejected 12:13:30 thats a vc thi; 12:13:33 Thing 12:14:25 I dont even like the haveno kickbacks. Makes us look like we profit off of bad actors 12:14:35 yeah but in case serai doesnt raise a lot of xmr itself (which i honestly doubt), using fund funds to provide liquidity could be a legitimate service to the community 12:15:14 Its not for community though, but for traders 12:15:31 yeah... 12:15:44 id rather have people swap through serai than get shotgun kyced by an instant exchanger 12:16:31 also, the general fund would earn trade fees on otherwise idle assets 12:17:25 Dangeous 12:17:32 get shotgun kyced by an instant exchanger -> or lose your life savings on an exchange 12:17:38 Gf isnt decentralized at all 12:17:40 both possible scenarios 12:18:38 Feds can prove you profit off of crimes if they can track serai trades paying GF 12:18:55 hm good point 12:19:22 serai will make me rich so we all ned to make it work 12:19:28 GF is a neutral party, at least it should be. Ive always felt bad about haveno paying GF off of trades 12:20:16 does haveno even do that in the current setup 12:20:16 i dont think they have clarified where the fees go 12:20:18 Probably not 12:20:27 It was promised, but thats a backend promise 12:20:30 2500 xmr - 40% shall go to alpharabius for his next business venture and the rest to serai 12:20:45 and we didnt pay for the backend, cake did 12:21:06 after 1 year we can see how our financials are 12:21:11 I assume cake gets kickbacks and gf will get cut out (which is ideal) 12:21:24 +1 12:21:24 again, i doubt serai will need it 12:22:09 also, more fees for me /s 12:24:44 man i cant wait 12:25:30 ever since thorchain / haven announced they are working on integrating xmr 12:48:23 did I miss meeting announcement? 12:52:57 <4rkal:matrix.org> Anyone got any ideas on how I should proceed with my ccs proposal? (https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/408) 12:54:32 to be honest, close it 12:54:47 Is this connected to a telegram? 12:56:11 dont think so 12:56:38 Then where do these webhooks come from? 12:56:45 Been wondering 12:57:38 <4rkal:matrix.org> Tbh I'm really not asking for much. Just electricity + time spent maintaining. The only difference between my mirror and recanmans is that I have an incentive to keep on hosting it (the ccs). 12:59:30 ok but i dont get paid to run my monero node 12:59:44 i still run it 13:00:51 i bet recman has similar reasons to run his mirror as i have to run my node 13:01:56 and so do thousands of other people :P 13:02:29 <4rkal:matrix.org> This isn't a node tho. By running a node you have additional privacy benefits . You personally benefit. Don't trust; verify. Running a gitea instance is rather mundane but essential for Monero. Idk maybe recanman keeps it up but for how long? 13:02:37 hbergeronioc soon , not this saturday but next (will put it up shortly) 13:03:14 <4rkal:matrix.org> You can sadly not only rely on good will 13:04:07 bro i can spin up an instance based purely on good will right now and keep it running indefinitely 13:04:16 my server is running anyways 13:05:32 i bet recanman has similar reasons to run his mirror as i have to run my node 13:05:57 4rkal this is a difficult situation - you want to contribute with the means you have available and we commend you for it. there are comments on your CCS which show that it is not essential and that there are other systems in place (which the general fund sponsors) 13:06:43 and so far, relying on good will has worked while at the same time a "ccs to run git monero instance" has literally scammed us 13:07:16 <4rkal:matrix.org> Guys as I have said before. You cannot call yourself a privacy project and really on GitHub. 13:08:42 <4rkal:matrix.org> Have you read the proposal in detail? As I mentioned there the funds (0.1 xmr) should be paid out on a monthly basis. If the mirror is still running. Otherwise nothing is owed 13:08:43 i do however see that 'i have these means available / knowledge to contribute' being countered with 'I have more means / more knowledge to contribute so go away' is #mean 13:09:10 sowwy plow 13:10:11 4rkal: not to be mean and i dont think youll scam us but the effort is probably not worth the benefit 13:11:03 4rkal has iirc been sent more funds than the proposal on accident and returned them in good faith so we have evidence that you are not a scammer. its just that as the comments show, there are other things, not only GitHub that will keep the project going if SHTF 13:14:19 Close 13:14:31 After pulling teeth 13:14:42 From bothbsides 13:14:59 But close. If you want to host it, go for it 13:15:10 Maybe come back in a year and ask for funds to continue 13:15:21 Monero.fail gets 0 funding 13:15:43 Wownero gets 0 funding 13:16:22 A gitea instance is great. Were not going to develop on yours though, its just a mirror.. 13:16:50 btw why does gittea cost 0.1 xmr per month, isnt it just hosting some files? 13:17:07 (idk how resource intensive it is) 13:17:20 If its "so important" > just do it 13:18:02 <4rkal:matrix.org> Returned 90% of the funds, then got bullied during my vacation to send 8$ to each user. Got DMS on every known platform for 8$ 13:18:12 yeah 13:18:48 your ccs now 13:18:49 And your bounty then 13:18:52 are a waste of resources 13:18:55 Please close 13:18:56 now you are being mean to those who consider $8 as being alot 13:18:59 what was this previous thing about? 13:19:17 Time is money. Plowsof has been paid more than your ccs total, just to reply twice 13:19:18 a monero bounties 'split' payout - the pot was sent to 4rkal , and he refunded 13:19:59 Mistakes were made. 13:20:00 3rd times the charm? 13:20:06 Ill pass 🚮 13:20:10 <4rkal:matrix.org> Electricity plus time spent maintaining. Needs updating and general time 13:20:31 1xmr 13:20:34 Go kuno that 13:20:40 Or ask on twitter 13:20:47 <4rkal:matrix.org> I've spend way to much time to get 1.2 XMR if this doesn't move forward I will close it. 13:20:54 Vik gives that away everyday 13:21:03 yeah jsut ask for donos 13:21:04 yeah just ask for donos 13:21:31 this would actually be one of the most valid kunos 13:21:49 "pay for my breast enlargement surgery" lmao 13:23:00 <4rkal:matrix.org> Kuno is not a good platform, would prefer if I didn't do it there. Will probably try to selfhost the one the monerochan art thingy uses. 13:23:00 <4rkal:matrix.org> Would prefer it could go through ccs tho 13:23:30 i believe plowsof can help you with that :P 13:23:31 Super close 13:23:32 (the wishlist hosting) 13:24:18 Why is kuno not good? 13:24:18 why is ccs better? 13:24:28 a: Exposure 13:24:41 ... money isnt free 13:25:09 If you cant get 1xmr for your idea by campaigning, welll, its not worth ir 13:25:42 Sorry, 0.1xmr/mth 13:25:48 Or 0.25xmr/week 13:26:01 <4rkal:matrix.org> Kuno is full of scams . Would rather not associate myself with that. 13:26:01 <4rkal:matrix.org> CCS has a high funding rate and will be hassle free. Would prefer if I didn't have to beg on twtr for donations 13:26:34 <4rkal:matrix.org> Either way this has been a huge waste of time 13:27:32 hey, maybe something good will come out of it 13:27:36 is this where i say "but i didn't do anything" and you say "exactly" then shut the door in my face and we dont talk for the rest of the day 13:28:01 i wasted so much time fighting bot spam on reddit that i gave up and set up an entirely new platform 13:29:01 maybe youll go out and revolutionize monero backups 13:31:07 <4rkal:matrix.org> Will check out if it's possible to commit to the gitea instance and somehow create a PR on GitHub. That would be a game changer 13:32:04 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/dhtqGqbgmACBkSCWhtKxCqVe 13:32:08 <4rkal:matrix.org> You'd be able to contribute via tor without having to mess with GitHub shit 13:32:13 if you download this, do you have a backup already? i dont believe monero is only like 12 mb 13:32:38 You can already do a PR to monero through IRC 13:33:43 Post a raw patch in -dev 13:33:54 not having to deal with IRC is already a huge improvement :P 13:34:01 GitHub doesn't prohibit Tor 13:37:14 <4rkal:matrix.org> You do need an account don't you? 13:37:47 monero node projects (moneronodo/PiNode/AndroidTermuxNode) could add an optional git fetch/pull daily task 13:39:58 does anyone know the answer to this? 13:40:40 Yes, you have a full copy of the source code if you clone a repo 13:42:39 and its only 13.8 mb 13:42:54 wow 13:43:45 If you download the zip you'll only have the latest revision. 13:47:19 Every dev with a recent pull can provably restore the repo in the event that GH kicks us off. It's a non-issue. 13:47:22 i see 13:47:34 still impressive that its so small 13:47:45 i guess its just code 15:27:53 <4rkal:matrix.org> Anyone know what https://www.monerochan.art/ . Is using? Pretty sure there used to be a github link 15:43:06 mayba plowsof can help https://github.com/plowsof/xmr-wishlist-aaS 15:50:28 any reddit mod here? 15:51:05 yeah 15:51:51 nvm 15:52:12 looks like post was approved 16:18:27 Rino makes enterprise wallet free? https://www.rino.io/blog/free-enterprise-wallet 16:21:14 yep 16:25:32 how does rino make money? 16:27:31 in-wallet xmr swaps is one source i think 16:29:09 there is a small margin in swaps 16:32:16 do i qualify for a costco card if i show them my enterprise rino wallet (asking for a friend) 16:34:37 ah didnt see that they offer swaps 16:34:57 rino is cool 16:35:59 cutest logo, good community services like faucets, nice product 16:41:13 Which is why there's a selfhosted gitLab server which hosts a copy of the monero code, which gets all updates and issues mirrored from the main github repo 16:42:07 Aka literally the server on which you submitted your ccs proposal 16:43:20 (Btw, is anyone cleaning up the gitlab groups? They're full of spam) 16:49:39 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/cfnnJTeUenlUrOUgoCMbfINX 16:50:27 Storage is so cheap I use nvme drives to do the spacing for post stamps /s 17:05:26 <4rkal:matrix.org> Hmm. Looks like the only repo mirrored was the monero-site. But that was 3 years ago. 17:10:13 Hmmm I swear I remember a clone of the main monero repo somewhere... or is it not up anymore? 17:42:25 endor00 https://git.wownero.com/monero-project/monero 17:47:32 huh, alright 17:47:41 lol, and it's gitea too 17:49:35 forjeio is better 17:49:48 gitea has turned corporate imo 17:50:00 gitea has turned corporate 17:50:02 endor00 https://git.hackliberty.org/Git-Mirrors/monero 17:51:19 thx rotten 17:51:31 hbergeron: my pleasure. <3 18:51:57 <123bob123:matrix.org> Whats that for? 18:51:58 <123bob123:matrix.org> Doesn’t stop ip address logging and probably makes you unique 19:11:42 old ccs 19:11:42 https://matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm:matrix.org/$YqbwJL40VFwGOVYjys8vjkGuNhpp0rSMtIzECMfDXhU?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=libera.chat 19:12:00 Dan r/dark (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate ): 19:14:10 <123bob123:matrix.org> are asking for 560 XMR to make this happen. Our budget can be viewed on this Google Sheet. (yeah yeah, google. Save the flak. We're working on it.) WARNING 19:14:10 <123bob123:matrix.org> Soon™️ 19:19:22 He was run out of the community. Blame the heroine 22:09:26 Less than 200mb ram, very low cpu, very low disk other than repositories 22:10:42 Yes. I've been wanting to, just forgot. 4rkal's CCS reminded me. 22:10:42 My next project is to get a node running, but I don't have an ssd in my servers 22:15:05 <123bob123:matrix.org> New rule all css proposers must have monero node running 22:18:00 I'll keep it up for as long as I can, and I have cheap electricity, reliable uptime, and good infrastructure 22:18:07 Why? 22:19:21 You don't have the submodules and other libraries 22:43:19 Why not :P 22:43:55 I haz node running 22:44:13 what CCS payments do I qualify for? 22:44:48