01:14:08 So, to recap. To apply for CCS funding, you'd have to show minimum 1 mainnet node and an up-to-date self-hosted mirror of Monero GitHub. 01:14:08 That's about it, right? 01:42:05 If I run a node can I get a vacation to MoneroKon? 03:24:34 Not necessary. Just join -policy 03:27:01 https://matrix.to/#/!aFGXKcPvUExSWMkVYu:matrix.org/$pmo6GhY8JkIZv-MmJ99RBvjWH9EcllKVzsEwzoIC6n8?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=libera.chat 10:02:57 So now i understand why ofrnxmr has been role playing the concern police over at -policy. 12:21:38 help others understand plz. 12:24:28 I figure its pretty simple: 12:24:28 -policy is run using consumer grade tools 12:24:29 -monerokon tickets convinced them to write fluff pieces to make themselves look busy. (too bust to upgrade to Google workspace) 12:25:26 Q: how to get free tix 2 monerokon 12:25:26 A: join -policy 12:26:28 "concern police" 12:26:28 you guys cost far more than you put out. Thousands on tix, 0$ on tools to get the job done 12:29:31 monerokon tickets arent that expensive D: 12:29:37 sorru 12:29:41 I mean travel 12:29:49 and the policy panel was very well received 12:31:23 we already have new rules to insure reimbursements arent unreasonable 12:31:25 I'm not commenting on the output of monerokon 12:31:42 Im talking about the "wheels r only spinning si we cn go on vaca" 12:31:54 Im talking about the "wheels r only spinning so we can go on vaca" 12:32:28 How much was spent to fly policy out? 12:32:39 im out of the loop on the policy drama 12:32:42 They put in a proposl while the group was dead 12:32:53 https://matrix.to/#/!aFGXKcPvUExSWMkVYu:matrix.org/$pmo6GhY8JkIZv-MmJ99RBvjWH9EcllKVzsEwzoIC6n8?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=libera.chat 12:33:21 Before thus msg: dead 12:33:21 after: trying to get that travel $ 12:34:12 (better than dead. Id still prefer if they took some of that vacation $ and upgraded to a service that you actually have control over) 12:34:20 not sure but artic was there anyways, sgp was representing cake, midi ran our banking 12:34:30 Drive personal version is a joke for production emvironments. 12:34:37 so thats like, at least half the panel already 12:35:21 Artic is excluded. 12:35:21 sgp is a larpin liar 12:35:21 and midi meh 12:35:42 cake literally was sponsoring kon with the highest tier 12:36:05 I wonder why 12:36:17 Cake and rino only 12:36:25 they for sure spent 9k to get 2k 12:36:32 Majestic barely made it 12:36:34 oh yeah rino also sponsored with top tier 12:36:53 and cake funds everything. 12:37:17 Sgp has nothing to do with viks spending 12:37:35 And vik has bothing to do with policy plane tickets 12:37:37 Or msvbs 12:38:13 as i said, the reimbursements are overhauled for next year 12:38:22 I know 12:38:41 Its kind of cuz of me, remembwr 12:38:50 Template billing 12:39:05 the real crime was the person maxing out the 2k reimbursements by spending 4 nights in a 5 star hotel 12:39:06 Rejecting speakers hotel bills 12:39:09 Lmao 12:39:11 What? 12:39:20 you didnt know? 12:39:20 How is that a crime? 12:39:23 i know 12:39:30 well 12:39:41 the thing stated reasonable expenses 12:39:49 And its absolute hypocrisy to pay msvb's TEMPLATES but not a speaker with reveipts 12:40:07 are there speakers who havent been paid? 12:40:10 Reasonable is "round numbers, always" ? 12:41:05 No, but the 5* speaker was in talks to be rejecred, in the same breath as ignorijg the 15k maybe made away with 12:41:18 with 0 receipts 12:42:06 well, you can rest easy that the plan for next time is clearly defined rules and a "finance council" 12:42:26 i know 12:42:44 U forget? I was there.. 12:42:50 dadajo: 12:42:59 The changes are bcuz of me... lol 12:43:10 ok so whats the problem now 12:43:28 that -policy uses google drive personal edition 12:44:16 magic monero fund used the crypt drive thing and then seths server went down and we didnt have access to any of our files for some time :P 12:44:32 Fkn traitor seth 12:44:44 Could at least uae google workspace.. 12:45:07 Personal tier doesnt allow you to use your own keys, allows google to edit and delete you works, etc 12:45:53 (/s) 12:46:59 if Konferenco s.r.o works out we can use it to set up a proper solution 12:47:34 kon needs something anyways so invoices dont disappear anymore lol 12:49:51 i know someone who can do it for 0.1 xmr a month 12:50:34 ha 12:50:34 or put the invoices on gitlab so we can clone every other day 12:51:37 were getting a 6€ vps and some proper foss accounting software 12:53:04 ofrn did I meet you? 12:53:16 ofrn wasnt at kon 12:53:24 at least not that we know of 12:53:27 2 new/recent proposals on the ccs ideas page btw https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/ 12:54:11 tbh im skeptical of the atomic swaps gui 12:54:15 do we have any updates posted somewhere about how the recent meetup in Turkey went? 12:54:34 Siren: you were in turkey right? 12:55:16 we need atomic swaps and we need a good gui but why does it build on comit? i thought farcaster was better 12:55:48 i left some feedback earlier 12:55:53 yes farcaster please 12:56:00 Looks like extension of last ccs 12:56:08 also yes please to vosto 12:56:12 Last one was retarded 12:56:28 Yes 12:56:32 plow, how much do we have left from scray meat eye ccs 12:56:38 The event went great I think we should repeat 12:56:59 Next time we'll probably record the talks 12:57:11 I hear that cats are treated very well in Turkey 12:57:43 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/kernal.eu/acXFxZkcLqvNpsZHWDVMucFv 12:57:51 36xmr iirc? 12:57:52 Yes nioc my airbnb had 3 12:57:57 36 XMR yes 12:58:00 Minus vost pay 12:58:06 siren <3 12:58:48 the community funded his prev proposal so those funds are untouched 12:58:58 yeah all of that should be insta deposited into vostos ccs 12:59:04 Turkish xmr community is solid. Hopefully we'll get more sponsors for the event this way. 12:59:24 Regarding binarybarons new ccs. No. 12:59:43 26xmr/mth for maintenance, when its still broken and has been for months? 12:59:44 "438 XMR into this GUI" "1000 swaps" 12:59:44 lol 12:59:46 lmao 12:59:52 How about 10xmr/yr 13:00:36 UnstoppableSwap same issue on repeat 13:01:10 lol 13:01:20 100xmr year year is still less than the ask 13:02:24 I remember this ccs being very bad, and not knowing how it got merged 13:02:46 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/GukMWFkCxgvueQdOZldDrnLU 13:02:47 shitcoins on bisq have more volume 13:03:46 ``` 13:03:46 Some things i would like to note about the previous proposal. Speaking in the third person and making pull requests to your own repository using alts as shown here lead to me believing that multiple developers would be funded by the CCS (Combined with you stating "Our rates are"). I notice in this proposal you are now using "My rates are" so i commend you for the increased clarity. 13:03:47 ``` 13:03:55 Slides for ATM and Metronero. Not much because we did lotsa talking. 13:03:55 https://hedgedoc.digilol.net/p/s4BF_FNnp#/ 13:03:55 https://hedgedoc.digilol.net/p/WYUghN5WB/ 13:03:56 Tldr; Metronero won't have custodial mode anymore. There will be a shared production instance that only works with view keys and merchants will pay monthly invoices (1% of all payments they received) for the service. 13:04:37 The self host edition will be single merchant only 13:06:39 cute plushy 13:06:59 i like the "liquidity pool" concept 13:08:17 im interested in why you chose the example like this 13:08:24 escapethe3ra: rottenwheel reporting live from the scene, this Turkey meetup update from Metronero is developing as we speak. Back to you in the studio! 13:08:26 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/xwdWegbUCNNuwjqPjetIARak 13:09:18 why should the cash-purchase be cheaper if you need more cash 13:09:33 So the user takes the deal 13:09:47 i know "incentivizing cash deposits" but it still feels kind counter-intuitive 13:10:00 I don't think people would care about the machine, they just love good rates 13:11:35 id assume it to actually be the opposite, usually you dont use crypto atms because they have such amazing rates 13:11:43 It's not in the slides but another behavior we want to have is offering better rate for higher denominations. Like you'd get more XMR if you input 50 bills instead of 5s 13:12:11 yeah that makes sense 13:12:20 I guess best way to figure this out would be to deploy a machine irl and see how people interact with it 13:12:40 Try out both strategies 13:12:59 too bad its so freaking illegal in germany 13:13:29 in the past i had already looked into these really expensive prebuilt atms 13:13:39 but you need a banking license here 13:16:56 " offering better rate for higher denominations." -> i seen a picture today of a kebab seller, offering 6 kebab for 6 euro or 2 for 16 or something lol 13:17:30 Wouldn't it count as p2p if you made no profits and used it within your friend circle? 13:17:41 in that case yes 13:17:54 Hmm :D 13:18:03 :D 13:18:12 anyways, just thought about how atm hooked up to serai would be cool 😳 13:18:33 actually 13:18:33 wouldnt work 13:18:33 serai takes 20 min to send funds 13:18:44 serai takes 20 min to send (xmr) funds 13:19:08 i guess you could use it to replenish the atm after a trade 13:19:45 the ATM will send out a distress beacon when funds are low - every cash-by-drone seller in the area will be alerted 13:19:51 person buys 1 XMR, ATM gives it from local wallet, buys 1 XMR from serai with DAI 13:20:32 minimizes volatility risk for the atm operator 13:21:03 and wallet wont run out as long as the serai trade wallet has enough dai 13:21:52 can be done in reverse too, person sells 1 XMR to ATM but this time the sell transaction could already be the one swapping to DAI 13:23:04 im such a serai simp 13:39:52 wen 13:41:29 not soon enough 14:42:32 someone knows how to use monero with tails without persistent volume? 14:46:31 use tails, download a monero wallet, create wallet, write the seed phrase on paper. repeat the steps next time but instead of creating a wallet, you restore your old one and wait for it to sync , however, paper is the "persistent volume" so this doesn't answer your question 14:47:50 perhaps you mean by using remote nodes? im sure you will find useful info here even though im off the mark https://xmrguide.org/ 15:39:45 <4rkal:matrix.org> Why wouldn't you want to use persistent storage? 16:11:57 Single use wallet, for extra something something, you know. 16:34:49 can a exit node send viruses to tails? i'm afraid to get a virus on it 16:47:44 monero over tails without persistent storage 16:55:41 <4rkal:matrix.org> Unless your retarded I think the technology is pretty well developed. All users that have been caught have been caught because of their own stupidity, never has a tor user been caught from a vulnerability in the Tor network or any other technology. Just practice good opsec and don't do anything stupid 16:55:45 <4rkal:matrix.org> A exit node will not give you a virus 16:56:25 oh and how many words for the persistent storage password? 16:56:30 thank you 16:58:39 <4rkal:matrix.org> Are you currently being tracked down by le? Are you scared that they will crack the password? If yes use 40+ chars. If not just use like 15+ and your gonna be ok. Try to use random letters not words and also use weird characters like & " etc 16:59:49 I think about it but I feel there needs to be a solution for anxious people like me who are afraid of persistent storage to some degree 17:01:43 <4rkal:matrix.org> Hypothetically 17:01:50 <4rkal:matrix.org> Lmao 17:03:19 No, I didn't mean the ticket. I meant the flight 😄. It's probably around $800. I was joking though 17:09:51 Memorize the seed phrase. Use flashcards and do parts of words. 17:11:10 Use full-disk encryption and you will be safe 17:12:31 Use a six-word diceware password and that is sufficient and has good entropy. 17:12:31 You can also use two separate devices, one cold (air-gapped) and one hot (can connect to internet). Export key images from the cold device and relay them over the network with the hot device 17:12:55 Use a six-word diceware password and that is sufficient and has good entropy. 17:12:55 You can also use two separate devices, one cold (air-gapped) and one hot (can connect to internet). Export key images from the cold device and relay them over the network with the hot device. Keep wallet data on cold device. 17:13:31 (or) Use full-disk encryption and you will be safe. Tails does not provide FDE. You'll have use to use grub dm-crypt. Try libreboot 17:14:15 Of course your threat model is the most important thing to begin with. Who are your adversaries, what are your assets, your threats, etc. 17:14:29 Whats an example of full-disk encryption? 17:15:22 https://wiki.parabola.nu/Installing_Parabola_on_Libreboot_with_full_disk_encryption_(including_/boot) 17:15:50 At that point, the only thing that an adversary can tamper with are the internals. 17:15:59 That means boot ROM, integrated NIC, etc. 17:16:57 Best to do this on a usb and with an iommu, otherwise backdoored HDD/SSD firmware will be able to read your RAM through a DMA channel and get your encryption keys 17:33:53 Hey guys, just a question I started thinking on. How does an airgapped wallet send a transaction? 17:36:25 Sign a transaction, export key images, then send it to a device (through usb or qr codes, anything), then the device sends the transaction to the network 17:37:06 oh, so what I thought. Ty needed that confirmation 17:37:25 https://monerodocs.org/cold-storage/offline-transaction-signing 17:50:03 you can try it out using ANONERO 17:50:26 check out the video demo: https://odysee.com/ANONERO:3 17:50:52 yea, saw that. thanks tho 17:52:32 A difference with bitcoin and other transparent coins is that you have to construct the unsigned Monero transaction on a non-airgapped device that is connected to a node. The node is connected to other nodes & the internet. 17:53:23 You need to do this because you need to create the ring signature(s), which are based on transaction outputs that you don't own. They are gathered by the node for your wallet. 17:54:06 Yea got that. Ty again 17:54:08 bitcoin also needs to have an online counter-part, not just for broadcasting, but for up-to-date UTXO set 17:54:58 technically you can create/sign a bitcoin tx if the wallet with xpub is up to date, and then you turn off network connection 17:55:18 itll work for the first tx only, after that youll have to go back online to update the utxos again 17:55:21 With bitcoin you just need to know what you've spent already. You don't need a network connection for that. 17:55:37 I think we agree. 17:55:49