03:41:18 Join us LIVE tomorrow morning! 03:41:18 https://reddit.com/r/Monero/s/ETxCEZKkYp 07:30:32 "Ferrari to accept crypto as payment for its cars in the US" 07:30:32 https://www.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/ferrari-to-accept-crypto-as-payment-for-its-cars-in-the-us-3198771 07:37:30 This point is interesting: 07:37:30 As the payment processor, BitPay will ensure that the virtual currencies come from legitimate sources and not derived from criminal activity or to be used to launder the proceeds of crime or evade tax. 10:08:11 <123bob123:matrix.org> Hmmm 10:08:15 <123bob123:matrix.org> Ferrari or jet 11:10:12 community meeting today in 3 hrs 50 mins https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/906 events meeting 2 hours later in #monero-events:monero.social 12:30:22 selsta_: Issue 8982 (technical support for GpStop) appears to be going on and on - 120 comments so far on Github. 12:30:22 Presumably there comes a point, where intentionally or not, it's a waste of time and resources? Perhaps the issue can be closed and GpStop can be pointed to IRC/Matrix or Reddit to continue their technical support issue? 12:31:18 Monero Support 12:33:14 link to github issue? 12:33:31 Lot of backlog to catch up on 12:33:32 https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/8982 12:33:39 Ty 12:34:22 I wouldn't waste your time on it tbh - it appeared to be a wild goose chase for funds that weren't sent. 12:36:52 they have a hardware wallet and need to extract the view-key (using a python script) which they claim to have done already (doubt it) - and then to forward it pgp encrypted to someone who is capable of confirming 12:38:50 My time, is time to waste 12:38:55 Not selsta's 12:39:06 haha, ok 12:39:46 also, in response to "use a remote node" -> "i know how to do it but not gonna do." then they later ask how to do it 12:40:03 Teamviewer 12:40:11 24 25 vibes 12:42:00 <123bob123:matrix.org> Google remote desktop* 12:47:18 there's no point, 100% they either have the wrong wallet or got scammed with whoever sent the funds 12:48:00 or it's a troll issue lol 12:48:04 <123bob123:matrix.org> Probably didnt get funds sent to them 12:50:17 john_365: yes will close the issue 12:58:02 Yeah. 24/25 ptsd 13:07:22 vostoemisio: id do nodes and merchant adoption 13:10:01 P2pool, randomx, i think are less important videos than running nodes and adoption. Merchant vid can include fungible/cash comparisons 13:10:47 whens todays meeting in here 13:11:10 1 hour and 49 minutes 13:12:20 Ofrnxmr needs something i can show to merchants, that will make then go "hm.. can you set it up for me? How much?" 13:12:58 <123bob123:matrix.org> 25k 13:13:01 ofrn 13:13:02 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=138CogLuGC0 13:13:03 <123bob123:matrix.org> Plus dev tax 13:13:10 Trash 13:13:16 Cant show that to my kids 13:13:20 D: 13:13:27 but we paid so much for that 13:13:43 Even script is very not good 13:13:57 <123bob123:matrix.org> “We” pay for a lot of things 13:14:08 Vosts video was good 13:14:26 <123bob123:matrix.org> Chairs are free tho 13:14:32 why isnt vostos on the monero youtube 13:14:39 weird. almost as if a project needs to be CCS funded to be "approved" 13:14:55 Savandra owns that youtube channel 13:15:18 oh right @monero1499 lmao 13:15:35 <123bob123:matrix.org> Not approved 13:15:57 "accepted" 13:16:28 what 13:17:18 neither monero.town nor monerosupplies.com had CCS proposals and they are pretty accepted by the community 13:17:36 <123bob123:matrix.org> Approved 13:17:38 neither moneroica.com 13:17:50 neither minko, rino, cake 13:18:03 <123bob123:matrix.org> I’m lost on the comment 13:18:07 <123bob123:matrix.org> Its dig? 13:18:17 citation required after monerica 13:18:23 <123bob123:matrix.org> Its a dig? 13:18:29 neither monerica.com 13:19:05 if i recall correctly, r4v3r23 submitted a ccs that didnt pass the vibe check 13:19:15 <123bob123:matrix.org> Oh k 13:19:18 complained about how nobody will fund it on kuno 13:19:19 "The goal of Monerica is to reflect the freedom ideals of the United States of America in the age of cryptocurrency by using Monero. There are no borders to Monerica. " open the borders! 13:19:23 then got funded on kuno lol 13:19:57 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2117 monerica rejected from getmonero 13:20:05 <123bob123:matrix.org> Sound like a gitea repo i once saw 13:20:16 <123bob123:matrix.org> Sound like a gitea mirror repo i once saw 13:20:53 never 13:21:08 are you talking about 4rkal? not raver23 13:21:20 ah 13:21:22 <123bob123:matrix.org> Who 13:21:36 <123bob123:matrix.org> I am 13:21:41 sorry, you both are purple on matrix and have number 4 in the beginning of the name 13:21:46 [a-z][0-0][a-z]... 13:21:46 looks like youve heard a lot of wrong things about me 13:21:58 "submits sus CCS proposal" 13:22:01 "anonero doesnt work" 13:22:12 lmao whos feeding you this info 13:22:27 <123bob123:matrix.org> Google news 13:23:39 :P 13:24:46 So, the regular expression ^[a-z]+\d{1,}\d{2}$ will match strings like "r4v3r23" but not "r4v3r2" (because it doesn't have exactly two digits at the end) 13:25:31 huh 13:31:14 We are open to switching up the topics although that opinion is surprising to me. P2pool and random X are the kind of technical topics in a similar vein of the previously released tail emission that could really benefit from an animated video breaking it down. 13:32:14 P2pool is immateur 13:32:30 Randomx normies dont care 13:32:52 what 13:33:05 gupax.io is literally the easiest miner to get going 13:33:21 Drivubg 13:33:45 Brb 13:34:14 You mean immature? I mean that's part of why having a normies friendly video is important. Monero adoption is slowly growing over time and it's essential to have a simple mining introduction that explains the nuance of CPU mining and then shows how some one can mine after simply downloading a wallet 13:34:38 And why p2pool is the future anyways 13:37:39 my only issue is logistics. the previous proposal was 1 video done in 4 months, and this is promising 4 in 4 months. the chances of pumping out videos with errors in are increased 13:38:12 after 4 months we still had a bit of "hmm" at the end 13:39:53 its hard to gain feedback in such a short time frame 13:42:21 and then we have funds to cover ~99% of the cost if its cut down to 2 (if the old animated funds are used) - but this is just my opinion 13:44:33 yeah the splitting sounds reasonable 13:47:13 I don't mind splitting the proposal into 2 rounds but regarding the faster timeline I can assure everyone that it will not have any negative effect on the quality of our work 13:47:27 I don't mind splitting the proposal into 2 but regarding the faster timeline I can assure everyone that it will not have any negative effect on the quality of our work 13:49:50 I guarantee that we can deliver videos of the highest quality within the 6 months as written in the proposal. But if there is a convenience of making it 2 and helps allocating funds from the old proposal, 2 proposals works and I'm fine with both alternatives 13:50:37 I guarantee that we can deliver videos of the great quality within the 6 months as written in the proposal. But if there is a convenience of making it 2 and helps allocating funds from the old proposal, 2 proposals works and I'm fine with both alternatives 13:50:39 I guarantee that we can deliver videos of great quality within the 6 months as written in the proposal. But if there is a convenience of making it 2 and helps allocating funds from the old proposal, 2 proposals works and I'm fine with both alternatives 14:04:32 its an alternative, has bottlenecks, and increases blockchain size and fees 14:05:22 0.6xmr 14:05:22 how many time can you split it before creating dust smaller than a tx fee? 14:07:18 146/in is 1/3 of a block. 14:08:45 you mean p2pool? 14:08:56 yeah 14:10:36 right now with a mid tier ryzen i get a payout every few days. maybe standard p2pool should be higher difficulty to have mid tier cpu pay every month. that should drastically reduce tx bloat, right? 14:10:45 Its improved a lot, to be fair, but still not the defacto best method of mining 14:11:22 The more blocks the pool finds, the more oayouts you receive and the smaller 14:11:58 Inputs weigh more than outputs. 14:13:53 if pool mining don't mine on big pools 14:14:02 ^^advice nobody follows lol 14:14:08 I am nobody 14:14:10 https://p2pool.observer/sweeps 14:14:43 the consolidations listed here are some very big transactions 14:14:50 (100kb) 14:15:05 yes make allowed tx size 14:15:14 make =max 14:15:39 Xan only fit 3 of those in a block 14:15:46 And those are economically meaningless transactions 14:16:36 Ie, funds didnt change hands. The only effect the consolidation does is allow the tx to be soendable 14:16:39 There is a fix 14:17:34 is there a way to make p2pool send 1 small tx instead of sending many small tx to single miner then? 14:18:08 i thought this has long been addressed 14:18:14 by changing the way payouts work 14:18:35 https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/108 14:18:44 No 14:18:46 Improved 14:19:16 But not fixed. Lower number of spammy payouts, but still heavy 14:19:26 ^^ 14:19:45 Pt 2 ^ 14:19:45 pt 1: https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/109 14:20:10 jeffro did pt1. Needs testing and a HF for deployment 14:20:49 Not using decoys for coinbase is ideal in my view 14:21:27 Not using coinbase as decoys is a nobrainer imo as well 14:24:42 @boned no. Tis the nature of being noncustodial 14:25:50 We need more p2pools too. Which further fragments the experience "which pool do you use?" 14:37:07 p2pool isn't perfect, but more eyes and more usage will just lead to further optimizations, no?\ 14:37:21 https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/comments/1095730/comment/j3w7od9/?context=3 14:37:23 >2000 outputs per day per P2Pool sidechain. 14:37:30 how much is there in reality? 14:39:01 https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/issues/221 14:39:04 p2pool-mini finds 3-4 blocks per day, each with 500-550 outputs 14:40:26 p2pool-main finds 30-35 blocks per day, each with 40-45 outputs 14:45:20 i'm trying to understand. p2pool mines a block, right. then there is a miner reward transaction. it's a single tx that pays out to a lot of addresses, right (~40 outputs for main p2pool)? that's the bloat? what are consolidation and sweep here? 14:47:26 are those when the miner wants to send all those small mining utxo? 14:47:41 that makes a big tx. that happened to me. 15:00:09 Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/906 15:00:25 Hello 15:00:33 👋 15:00:48 hello 15:00:49 hello all 15:00:51 Hello 15:01:24 hi 15:01:54 lets discuss some community highlights while people roll in 15:02:06 [v0.18.3.1 released](https://www.getmonero.org/2023/10/07/monero-GUI-0.18.3.1-released.html). boog900 found/patched a bug as a direct result of their CCS ! in this [Pull request](https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/9013) 15:02:56 Cool 15:03:38 when will the DNS servers be updated selsta? usually after about a week right? im not seeing any problems reported so far 15:04:48 monerobull tested the latest haveno release and noticed a BSOD , leading to an update 🫡 15:05:03 Nah 15:05:06 Not really 15:05:39 I believe the haveno bug was because US and EU use commas and dots differently 15:06:06 The BSOD was apparently from the last windows update and has been fixed .... By me upgrading to win11 💀 15:06:21 thank you for testing 15:06:41 we also had some community members purchase hardware to help with this RandomX PR: [Jit compiler for RISC-V](https://github.com/tevador/RandomX/pull/275) - tevador. This will increase RandomX performance on RISC-V cpu's. some volunteers including pauliouk and gingeropolous have purchased risc-v hardware to help testing. 15:06:55 Hello, apologies for being late 15:07:28 Didn't we recently plan to make riscv less efficient lol 15:07:32 (by proxy) 15:07:47 I think it was to require more memory 15:08:07 And special Ryzen instructions 15:08:12 this would be a PR for the "future" - a world where RISC-V cpu's are widespread 15:08:38 Is this kit thing licensed in such a way that bitmain can't use it in closed software? 15:08:50 Is this jit thing licensed in such a way that bitmain can't use it in closed software? 15:09:28 im not sure about that, i can follow up any Q's about this in #monero-pow or with sech1 if they know 15:09:43 Monero PoW 15:10:29 It's BSD 3-clause, so they can use it 15:10:45 But they already used XMRig with is GPLv3, and they didn't disclose the source code 15:10:46 :/ 15:10:51 So they don't give a damn about licenses 15:10:58 lol 15:11:09 X5 miners uses modified XMRig inside 15:11:12 It's GPLv3 15:11:18 Where's the published source code? 15:11:19 Their miners are blowing up anyways and they don't pay their employers so I doubt they made much money with xmr 🤷‍♂️ 15:11:41 planned obsolescence is a feature 15:11:51 Lets sue 15:12:08 monerokin lawyers 15:12:31 Only if you have the next product lined up 15:12:35 we owe them 1k for sending empty emails already but thats another issue for #monero-events:monero.social 15:12:36 Which I very much doubt 15:13:00 the next product is probably mining already 15:13:22 Nah no way they developed another one 15:13:31 This one was a big failure 15:14:09 AI needs cpu's so the future is even brighter for RandomX 15:14:26 Ai uses GPU or asics 15:15:13 or machine learning.. they like RISC-V 15:15:46 bitmain likely got the cpus far below retail price to make it worthwhile for them. People speculated on engineering samples or similar non-retail silicon 15:16:11 There was like $10k of memory in there alone, right? 15:17:03 retail price for the specific modules they've used. I'd guess they used whatever modules they were able to source for cheap 15:17:11 almost forgetting a special thanks to Rucknium for chasing those none-standard fees [Privacy Advisory - exodus wallet users update](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/176e1zr/privacy_advisory_exodus_desktop_users_update_to/) 15:18:08 we have a full-house for the active newsletters this week [Monero Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [The Monero Standard](https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard) - [Monero Moon](https://www.themoneromoon.com/) 15:18:59 are we missing anything obvious? we can move on to proposals then 15:19:12 This website includes them and some other things, it's pretty nice: https://themonero.dance/ 15:19:59 I'm not sure who maintains it but its pretty nice, there are a couple of broken things though 15:20:14 yes alot of missing things, looks nice though 15:20:48 i pointed the general fund donation tweeter to the p2pool blockchain explorer (exploremonero still dead) 15:22:01 lets move on to the proposals 15:22:04 I'd like to thank lza_menace: for the amazing new map for docker monero node. It's so cool 15:22:47 Yes, ty lza_menace: 15:22:50 eww, monero.dance has google-analytics.com and gstatic.com javascript. Whoever runs it: is that really necassary? 15:22:53 ah yes! 🗺️ 15:23:06 dⱮartian: 15:23:14 I didn't notice that, I have it all blocked 15:23:15 dⱮartian: 15:23:20 Maybe someone should contact the above 15:23:21 Runs it 15:24:03 monerosuite.org is from hundehausen (based on the work of lza_menace too) 15:24:39 This looks pretty cool, if I can get it working I'll feature it in my next issue of the Monero Standard 15:25:09 Is that like an all in one monero deployer? 15:25:09