02:46:16 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> So the totally not a company, now has a HR department and a PR department.
04:41:32 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> and legal
08:17:01 <boned> jollyboy: >Id be interested to view the video but I boycott youtube as a matter of principle
08:17:01 <boned> jollyboy: >we really need a video service for the people
08:17:09 <boned> what about a torrent
08:17:19 <boned> underrated tbh
08:18:50 <boned> especially an i2p torrent, it's anonynmous, but you need patience. just queue it and come back to watch later
09:08:51 <m-relay> <s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> why does monero-dev switched to irc ?
09:09:36 <sech1> always has been
09:14:56 <m-relay> <s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> sech1.png
10:30:12 <pumpkin> For gods sake start moving to xmpp. Much more modern and better clients. Also better decentralization than matrix.
10:31:00 <pumpkin> surprised to see no official channel on xmpp
11:27:34 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/16gw8ne/please_consider_xmpp_for_monero_chats/
11:30:48 <pumpkin> yeah this guy is right !!
11:31:02 <pumpkin> Don't see a valid argument against it
11:33:08 <pumpkin> If you just vouch for fancy looking clients , why not we all move to telegram and whatsapp then
11:35:25 <pumpkin> if anyone is interested in joining the community there , you can find channels like - monero⊙cme or revuo⊙cmc monero⊙cyi and participate there
11:45:10 <pumpkin> If you can understand email its not hard to understand xmpp.
11:45:31 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> "If anyone is interested in joining ..." Yeah, that's the point, isn't it? It's very easy to look at monero⊙cyi because it has a web interface. A staggering 30 or so members crowding there, with an average of about 0.2 messages per day at the moment.
11:45:33 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> https://yaxim.org/chat/#converse/room?jid=monero⊙cyi
11:45:45 <pumpkin> i am not trying to push any agenda here , but atleast people become aware of this
11:46:16 <pumpkin> such a lame argument
11:46:31 <sech1> IRC looks fancy enough to me https://p2pool.io/u/d9428e2d41f64a41/image.png 
11:46:48 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Yes, thousands of people, and that's no exaggeration, must have seen that Reddit thread. And nearly 200 updates. Great! But nobody seems to follow up.
11:46:57 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> *upvotes
11:47:02 <pumpkin> if you comapre telegram monero group with the irc or matrix channels , you'll also have a fraction of members here
11:47:17 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> All nice theory and armchair talk. Nerds among themselves.
11:47:41 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Are we cool, dammit
11:48:16 <pumpkin> sech1 , the point is not about being which looks more fancy
11:48:31 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> XMPP. It's not dead, it's only sleepin :)
11:48:38 <pumpkin> there are way fancier things than xmpp
11:48:46 <sech1> I used XMPP in, like, 2005
11:48:50 <sech1> It's still not dead?
11:48:54 <pumpkin> its potential is unmined
11:49:04 <pumpkin> google tried killing it
11:49:27 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> That system itself is dead in the meantime
11:49:28 <pumpkin> but all modern messengers are based on xmpp
11:50:07 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> What can I buy for that?
11:50:23 <pumpkin> sech1 , maybe its time to give a try once again , its been long time :)
11:51:03 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> I actually tried after that Reddit post, and the first attempt of joining a group room was greeted with "OMEMO not supported".
11:51:08 <m-relay> <r​4v3r23:monero.social> +1 for XMPP
11:51:19 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> I’ve seen the talk on xmpp thinking its the new 4chan
11:51:57 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Yeah e2ee on some servers not supported
11:52:02 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> And don't bother, I have already heard the apologist arguments why that's the case :)
11:52:12 <m-relay> <r​4v3r23:monero.social> "apologists"
11:52:31 <pumpkin> <r​brunner7:monero.social> this chat is also not encrypted
11:53:03 <pumpkin> what is the sense in encrypting a public channel
11:53:25 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Aslong as people are not on telescam
11:53:31 <m-relay> <r​4v3r23:monero.social> OMEMO encryption is basically useless in a public chat anyway
11:53:37 <m-relay> <r​4v3r23:monero.social> XMPP already uses TLS
11:53:45 <pumpkin> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> thats a myth , don't know how people get. Most servers support omemo
11:54:10 <m-relay> <r​4v3r23:monero.social> managaing OMEMEO keys in a group chat is a nightmare
11:54:16 <m-relay> <r​4v3r23:monero.social> espceially across multiple devices
11:54:58 <pumpkin> i would agree to an extent , it is nightmare
11:55:21 <pumpkin> but i haven't seen much encrypted group chats in matrix as well
11:55:54 <pumpkin> lets not go too offtopic here , i just wanted to spread the aware ness about this to the community. Hopefully some would appreciate
11:56:51 <m-relay> <r​4v3r23:monero.social> tldr matrix = gaytrix
11:57:44 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> Right up your ally, ey?
11:58:15 <m-relay> <r​4v3r23:monero.social> wow. how witty
11:58:20 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Back ally
11:58:23 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Bazinga
11:58:35 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> 🤣
12:00:07 <plowsof> matrix aka gatetrix - it's a low barrier entry / gateway for people to learn about all this^ 
12:01:25 <nioc> pumpkin: the other day you said that you had updated to v0.18.2.2  
12:01:29 <nioc> we are on v0.18.3.1 now  :)
12:02:50 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Shit forgot
12:03:04 <pumpkin> i was talking about the pocket node app. It is using v0.18.2.2
12:03:14 <nioc> ok
12:03:20 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Remind me : tomorrow
12:04:13 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> Soon ™️
12:06:10 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> Monero Archive I2P mirror is up! http://khplhtfsbnzitlmj3lmdl7m36ale7iuf2kljvfmomvn7uwrvqx7a.b32.i2p:3000/
12:07:08 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> Cloning the repos still only works through tor rn tho
13:12:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Make a vanity i2p :P
13:12:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> i2pd-tools is what you need
16:06:34 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> Any point in helping out with the gitian builds?
16:07:42 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> Also why is ubuntu 18.04 required? I mean since the builds are done through docker or lxc which is virtualized
16:12:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> It uses 20.04 iirc
16:12:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> In a docker
16:14:19 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> gitian will be EOL soon 🙏 https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8929
16:14:53 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> it has already been achieved for featherwallet thanks to tobtoht 🫡
16:16:08 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> but yes 4rkal, more is always better !
16:16:41 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> Is this guide still the most up to date version? https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/contrib/gitian/README.md
16:20:53 <selsta> 4rkal: you can also ubuntu 20.04
16:22:08 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> Just downloaded the 18.04 one so will probs use that
16:22:18 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> Any upside to using the 20.04?
16:22:53 <selsta> "Is this guide still the most up to date version" <-- basically yes, you have to replace the version number
16:23:29 <selsta> no, 18.04 or 20.04 doesn't matter. we wrote 18.04 because that's what it was tested with back when we added it
17:20:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/contrib/gitian/DOCKRUN.md
17:29:58 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> yeah using that rn
17:30:03 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> following*
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