00:51:38 <123bob123:matrix.org> Ready for January big switch 00:53:03 <123bob123:matrix.org> We will need more rpi4 for our infrastructure cluster plowsof! 02:33:00 lol 10:39:47 https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/922 11:06:36 <123bob123:matrix.org> somethings coming 11:14:36 <123bob123:matrix.org> and no transition? 11:18:40 <123bob123:matrix.org> self imploding 11:43:42 hbs: one thing i wanted to check if it is possible to restore signers' wallets with the 25 word mnemonic generated when first starting the process 11:43:48 I haven't checked that, my intuition would be that the whole process would need to be restarted for all participants and therefore the benefit of re using a wallet does not seem to exist. But someone with an understanding of the internals may bring more insights. 11:44:03 i would assume going through the multisig wallet conversation would be needed, but i wonder if this a way to restore the wallet and if it would affect the "original" multisig wallet in some way 11:48:31 nvm 11:48:51 i see `--restore-multisig-wallet` would do the trick 11:52:55

I uploaded full Blockchain 11:55:03 yes but that's not with the 25 words seed but with the way longer multisig you get via `seed` or `encrypted_seed` 11:55:51 ayy it's seth 11:56:36 <123bob123:matrix.org> [plowsof]() ^ banned word! 11:58:00 Gm s*th 11:58:02 Hey selsta not sure if Matrix <> IRC DMs work, but sent you an important one. 11:58:05 Morning all :) 11:58:17 they do not 11:58:20 hi, no 11:58:32 indeed they dun brokey 11:58:34 Ugh OK 11:58:35 slstmd: dm this one 11:58:49 Can you confirm the above, selsta? 11:58:49 <123bob123:matrix.org> So whats new 11:58:58 Yes seth 11:59:02 yes but will take an hour or so before I can access it 11:59:04 haha 11:59:07 imagine verifying instead of trusting 11:59:09 All good 11:59:15 <123bob123:matrix.org> We lost our ceo 11:59:15 trust me 💢 11:59:16 never verify! 12:00:02 Selsta posted that themself like 48 hrs ago 12:00:25 <123bob123:matrix.org> Yeah 12:00:25 I shall trust you on that 12:01:02 <123bob123:matrix.org> Employee of the month 12:03:36 123bob123: the issue is to make sure it's super clear to everyone, because some people think I want to stay in the core team - we can explore all sorts of options for transitions over the coming days / weeks / months 12:04:56 fluffypony: youre nit allowed to keave yet 12:05:07 Must give 7 days notice 12:05:09 ty :D 12:05:11 lol 12:05:20 well I'll still be part of the community 12:05:29 <123bob123:matrix.org> Mr fluffy its blood in, blood out 12:06:28 <123bob123:matrix.org> Plz provide tldr handover sheet 12:07:12 Dw fluffy. Community will figure this out 12:07:20 Just hold ya horses for a sec 12:07:31 <123bob123:matrix.org> Lol 12:07:55 <123bob123:matrix.org> We need more rpi though 12:07:59 N if monero tv has a problen, remind him that he scammed ccs this yr 12:09:21 <123bob123:matrix.org> Good luck with scamming multsig 12:09:39 well, a merger is a merger 12:10:01 Milestones completed are milestones paid 12:10:33 <123bob123:matrix.org> Merge but no mulla 12:10:50 You cant block pay for completed milestones 12:11:03 Need to block the merger in the first place 12:12:10 Work done, is work paid. 12:12:10 if i propose "i shall do no work", you have to pay me for the no work i just did. Otherwise youre a thief who only honors contracts when they benefit you 12:15:19 Oh 12:16:57 Sometimes it can be "the work done is unpaid." And then _you_ get called a scammer for doing unpaid work for years 12:17:49 wtf 12:17:54 im browsing web-templates 12:17:59 and then this 12:18:06 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/zUFXAkXFxLliKfNLfuoJDfsG 12:18:19 LMFAO 12:18:58 fluffypony: this is your fault too, right?!! 12:20:28 lol 12:20:35 probably 12:20:51 It's over 9000 :D 12:22:11 What id rather see: a post from geonic saying nothing at all 12:23:41 Not sure why opinions of scammers are even considered. 12:23:41 fluffypony, are you aware that monero tv is geonic, and of geonics in progress ccs? 12:23:42 if not, well, context is important 12:23:57 no I'm not 12:24:29 can we get rid of trolls and have this channel +v 12:24:47 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371 12:31:02 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20210906#c22289 12:31:35 been trying for years to disrupt development 12:34:16 Left, and came back for a quick 25k 12:35:35 i would agree with de-trolling this channel 12:35:59 you guys are the trolls 12:36:07 Im _on topic_ 12:36:19 The first comment on the github, and the harassee on twitter 12:36:39 Is a ccs scsmmer, who trolls instead of answering anything 12:37:10 And who is supported by his friends who also just troll instead of work 12:39:34 again, monero-policy has used midipoets personal google drive for over a year? 12:41:40 Want to stand up for people who scam and want fluffy to step down. 12:41:40 Luigi was the one using passwords and storing our funds insecurely, but geo wont accuse the guy who paid hin 25k under the table 12:42:26 fluffy, can you share if all 7 members of core are at least minimally engaged with monero? to me it seems that only 5 of them are. 12:43:15 we should have a trivia 12:45:33 it's 4th day in a row as I come to do something important and I am stuck in this obviously more important community matter 12:46:01 and the trolls is just making it harder, it's okay you can pay someone 500usd monthly to spam us as a form of attack 12:46:07 The floor is yours 12:46:25 but not sure we should need to listen to that crap 12:48:34 Bird. Of. A. Feather. 12:48:55 The floor is yours. Speak your business 12:51:00 Not that it was yours to give in the first place, anyway 12:51:48 When did i say it was? 12:52:00 Said i was in his way, i said k im out of your way 12:52:14 anyway, how bout solopt? 12:52:39 Thought so 12:53:39 we really need to get around to those purgatory ccs 12:58:02 The trolling here, is brushing off problems and pretending bringing them up is trolling 12:59:01 charutocafe: obviously there's less of a need for every core team member to be as active as we were in the past, so I wouldn't expect quite the same level of activity from everyone 12:59:18 also people get busy with personal lives and other projects and stuff, so activity waxes and wanes 12:59:39 i'm not asking if they are active, i am asking if they are still stakeholders 13:00:06 if they are even aware of recent changes and developments to the protocol 13:01:05 oh I see what you're saying - yes they are 13:01:14 from my pov it seems like some could have easily forgotten about or abandoned monero and moved on to different endeavours 13:01:52 good to know, thanks for clarifying 13:02:20 i'll take your word for it ;) 13:03:21 Luigi was the one using passwords and storing our funds insecurely, but geo wont accuse the guy who paid hin 25k under the table. <= password is mostly red herring. The geonic ccs was definitely not under the table. It had more discussion than almost all CCSes. It had a special notice on it that it was controversial or whatever. 13:03:57 ..... 13:04:12 Id rather not go back and forth aboht this 13:04:22 Me too. You keep bringing it up every day. 13:04:40 Anyone can go read the thread and realize you are not representing reality 13:04:55 Since day 1, its been a luigi merger 13:05:19 > ok we merged the video. Can we merge another 1 or 3 to divert attention? 13:05:19 Lol 13:05:22 In all honesty, I ask: just briefly, why is it a red herring? 13:05:43 (do not want to further divide, just want to understand) 13:05:44 It was discussed for an entire month 13:05:58 And prior to 13:06:02 behind the scenes 13:06:15 Im not speculating 13:06:22 Password was long and full random. A compromised access machine very likely implies a compromised ssh key too. 13:06:34 You know i know, and if you dont, we can talk in private 13:06:46 eudaimon36: Imagine you're playing a game of treasure hunt, where you have to follow clues to find the treasure. Now, what if one of the clues is tricky and leads you to a place that has nothing to do with the treasure? That's like a "red herring". It's something that takes you off the right path and makes you think about something else that isn't really important for finding the treasure. It’s called "red" because smoked herrings 13:06:46 turn a reddish color and they have a very strong smell, so in the past, people would use them to throw hunting dogs off the scent of what they were really supposed to be finding. So, a "red herring" is a clue or an idea that takes you away from the real useful answer or thing you're looking for. 13:06:59 Thank you. 13:07:13 Still working on it 13:07:45 "Oh he didn't answer my demands within 0.2 seconds, he's clearly a scammer!" 13:08:08 lol, I know what a red herring is, but I did not know why ofrn's criticism qualified as one :) 13:08:12 <0xfffc:matrix.org> I suspect he understands what red herring is. 13:08:19 I didnt call you a scammer. Mj was tho 13:08:51 But I have to say, you describe it in more detail than I ever considered it. very nice. 13:09:35 <0xfffc:matrix.org> I agree to. Interesting explanation. I am sure I will never forget what red herring is. 13:12:15 > Password was long and full random. A compromised access machine very likely implies a compromised ssh key too. 13:12:15 You dont need to compromise the access machine (steal keys) to brute force an ssh login from the outside 13:12:24 False 13:12:29 Zero chance 13:12:52 Run the math and get back to me 13:13:07 if using key auth, you need to steak the keys before you can do anything 13:13:16 It also wasn't accessible to the outside 13:13:30 No you can just guess the keys. Only a little harder 13:13:45 Gotcha 13:14:05 Ill stsrt recommending ppl use passwords now /s 13:14:22 Nah there's reasons to use keys 13:15:09 Just saying a password is necessarily insecure is categorically false 13:21:06 I might notice brontobytes (didn't know that was a word) of brute force data, given the machine was even accessible from the internet. 13:59:37 i like Ask Luigi Anything Mondays (ALAM) 14:00:41 GPG+SSH in a YubiKey is the way 14:01:38 i like ALAM too "what's your second favorite character from the mario franchise?" 14:02:52 Mario 14:03:04 Wario 14:03:10 that fits 14:03:16 Luigi is #1111(w) 14:03:16 your favorite is Waluigi 14:03:22 and there goes the hot wallet 14:03:26 i joke. 14:03:44 No, fav is luigi (with the w) 14:03:47 Warluigi 14:03:57 maybe it was waluigi all along 14:04:27 great ideas for the animated video reconstruction 14:04:46 I will leave github comment, however for this transaction to be right and meaningful 14:04:50 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/envs.net/1c016873c858456ade0eb23be5a8b3ddb4960be01721529069280952320 14:05:11 Doxxed 14:05:18 wwAAAAA 14:05:23 first we need to start from the bottom 14:05:31 MajesticBank @MajesticBank:libera.chat: ty 14:05:38 sorry I'll be quiet lmao 14:05:47 best to continue in -offtopic, this is getting spammy. 14:05:49 so that Community Channels Workgroup is first what we need to be fixed properly 14:06:16 No 14:06:20 reddit workgroup, irc workgroup, telegram workgroup, twitter workgroup, matrix workgroup 14:06:24 The wallet needs to be fixed first 14:06:37 5 workgroups 14:06:47 3-5 mods, current or new 14:07:06 I agree there's a bunch of pending proposals 14:07:09 with additional 3 member review board 14:07:52 @luigi fwiw im ok with plowsof suggest as a short term measure 14:07:55 I also have a pending proposal and didn't even open it yet due to the uncertainty 14:08:00 We need to get these devs fed 14:08:08 we already have a CCS Workgroup, and we have an ideas list that is only going to grow https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/ and nobody has offered a solution to get things going temporarily 14:08:14 Dangerousfreedom has been pushed back for a long time already, for example 14:08:24 i argue that bridged platforms should operate under the same workgroup and same set of rules. 14:08:27 selsta I would go ahead and open it. You can probably even start work given your history *gasp* 14:08:39 i say, general fund 2 wallet , beginnign at an unused subaddress index 14:08:56 Or subacct? 14:09:15 okkk will open tt 14:09:19 it 14:09:35 we should probably ask binaryFate before signing him up for more stuff 14:09:39 anything subaccount, subaddress minor major 14:10:00 we cant wait for january 2025 14:10:09 2024. fluffy meant 2024. 14:10:11 asking people before signign them up only leads to problems 14:10:17 subaccount is better because it separates balances. Whole separate wallet probably better though IDK 14:11:15 can someone ask binaryFate about it? as temp measure 14:11:41 multi sig is garbage 14:11:46 im worried for events, but they are going to be the test case study for it 14:11:51 agreed 14:12:19 we can talk about the super administrators, the multi sigs the CDNS until jan 2025 but we need a temporary solution right now 14:14:12 spaceguide agreed to luigis comment "sub acc is better.. Whole seperate wallet.." 14:14:23 only Quotes carry over to IRC 14:17:12 what does binaryfate think of a temporary solution for raising CCS funds (whole new wallet OR piggy backing onto GF2) - we can assume that payouts will have delays for security reasons but this is no blocker 14:21:16 we'll try to be brave... 14:24:26 I don't know if it's necessary or how it might complicate anything but if it was me each CCS proposal that goes to funding would have its own wallet 14:25:22 no reuse of wallets would happen this way 14:26:02 and no combined balances 14:26:33 im always in favour in tiny steps toward end goals, rather than giant leaps 14:27:34 CCS_2024 wallet .. CCS_2025, a wallet for every proposal is.. alot 14:28:36 many seeds and many pws, oh well lol 14:28:54 let's start small 14:29:19 just fix the ccs, so we can get something on track 14:29:19 KISS 14:29:42 mine was kiss, just not in every way 14:30:52 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 14:36:13 plowsof luigi1111w do you have recommendations for a kiss solution to reduce risk to the CCS wallets? 14:40:12 nioc> many seeds and many pws, oh well lol <= this is rather hard 14:40:26 right now the viewkey server can generate new addresses 14:41:14 you would need to manually make a new wallet for each CCS, and they would likely be on the same system, so security not really higher, and it would interactive (or the system would need to be online and active which would be a lot worse) 14:42:30 my version is the short-term KISS for 'us' but push more responsibility onto bF: Piggy back onto GF2 - which we must consider is most secure, as from inception this wallet was intended to hold 'over 9000' moneros. which would mean nothing has to change, we just need the private view key. we have no idea where bF stands on this though. 14:43:17 nioc> plowsof luigi1111w do you have recommendations for a kiss solution to reduce risk to the CCS wallets? <= I'm not sure the state of ledger, but one could use that or a full offline system with usb keys for transfers (which isn't zero risk, but a lot closer). Definitely lower on the usability scale, but probably not that bad. 14:43:38 plowsof you already have the viewkey 14:44:16 wait maybe not IDK 14:44:16 for GF2? 14:44:21 yeah sorry nvm 14:44:58 plowsof: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11fslu9/monero_general_fund_transparency_report_march_2023/ 14:45:03 doesn't this have the view key? 14:45:16 5c58e403ec2076594f4791b0322ad4b8720ad6bedfafee03aa3ff97f7b1a540f 14:45:58 luigi and selsta are correct we do have GF2 , sorry 14:50:00 ok then just start generating account 1 subaddresses 14:50:02 (don't do this) 14:50:31 lol 16:12:36 damn 16:12:44 ... 17:20:50 grief often comes in waves 17:23:39 lol 17:24:20 It's like random 17:57:13 <4rkal:monero.social> Just realized that the monero archive has been up for almost 2 months with 0 down time! 17:57:38 <4rkal:monero.social> ```iji2hhxnh4jfyx6q2wenr7bo2p2jmsmk7dzu5pvh2s2gupud472mihad.onion``` 17:58:26 <4rkal:monero.social> iji2hhxnh4jfyx6q2wenr7bo2p2jmsmk7dzu5pvh2s2gupud472mihad.onion 18:13:22 On the subject of work groups, I think we could use some more moderators for r/Monero, especially since the current team (including me) cannot devote that much time to it 18:17:49 <4rkal:monero.social> I'd be happy to help with moderating. I have a bit of experience before hand with reddit moderation and have quite a bit of free time lately. 18:48:51 <123bob123:matrix.org> Please submit resume to hr⊙go :) 18:49:09 Yeah, but that's an especially hard job to moderate there on Reddit. "No good deed left unpunished", really. It's always you to blame, however well you moderate. 18:50:19 reddit doesn't need mods, everyone just behaves over there 18:52:49 are there any software engineering roles open? :) 18:54:57