02:31:47 <luigi1111w> ok so we need a jet fund committee
06:13:09 <m-relay> <b​tclovera:matrix.org> https://twitter.com/schneierblog/status/1724880959131242666?t=-jibkluj9OB08FS69Vk37Q&s=19
06:24:35 <m-relay> <a​js_:matrix.org> Check out MoneroKon "Hot" Multisig Wallet: https://wallet.monerokon.org
07:00:06 -xmr-pr- [css-proposals] maryjbrook opened issue #82: Common Problems with Suzuki Cars
07:00:07 -xmr-pr- > https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/issues/82
08:12:01 <Inge> That seems rather spammy
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09:23:48 <m-relay> <h​undehausen:monero.social> Monero Meetup in Munich, Germany!
09:23:49 <m-relay> <h​undehausen:monero.social> https://www.meetup.com/south-germany-monero-meetups/events/297275235/
11:53:11 <gingeropolous> whats the reason we can't just use a Rino multisig wallet?
12:05:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Rino has a key
12:06:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> monerokon is using it
12:23:27 <m-relay> <b​tclovera:matrix.org> There is 2/3 
12:23:27 <m-relay> <b​tclovera:matrix.org> RINO has 1, one is your password (user key) and 1 you download if I'm not wrong (in recovery document)
12:23:28 <m-relay> <b​tclovera:matrix.org> The only problem I see with use ONLY this method (only RINO) is that you generated the wallet literally hot 🔥 online
12:23:28 <m-relay> <b​tclovera:matrix.org> Would be nice if RINO allow users to create  a Wallet offline via airgapped or something like that
12:32:19 <m-relay> <j​ohn_r365:monero.social> Lovera: Seems like it's on their radar, but perhaps not enough demand yet.
12:32:42 <m-relay> <j​ohn_r365:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/zclEUORwhbwQuLeewPYqGYxH
13:53:18 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Did anybody already look closer at the capabilities of RINO regarding more than 1 user? I saw something mentioned like "four-eye approvals". Would that be able to prevent "rug pulls" because no person *alone* can spend funds? I currently don't see how that would work.
15:36:31 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> Anyone know why my pr is taking so much time to get approved (https://github.com/monero-project/gitian.sigs/pull/262)
15:37:00 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> Been a month now
15:55:37 <lza_menace> ask in -dev. really though? merges are carefully considered and run by volunteers, sometimes it's a slow process. there are several others waiting
16:05:26 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> all you have to do is check that the sums are the same and are signed by my pgp key. This isn't a merge into core
16:05:42 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> idk don't mean to be disrespectful in any way
16:08:44 <selsta> 4rkal: the person who does the merges in this repo isn't super active, they usually do 1 round of merges per release, meaning your PR will likely get merged with the next release
16:08:51 <sech1> You could try to ping TheCharlatan in that github issue, he merges everything there
16:12:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Also, arent u missing a bunch if files
16:12:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Of
16:13:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Theres only 6 files + your key there
16:13:34 <selsta> true, it's incomplete
16:14:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/lHHYJKTRNLnBoraGvFBfGhGy
16:15:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Seems you stopped the build prematurely, or configured to only build the above 3 platforms
16:16:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> You have to build all platforms to join the build party
16:23:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > all you have to do is check that the sums are the same and are signed by my pgp key. This isn't a merge into core
16:23:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> says the guy who didn't check his own work to see if it matched the other sums from the other submissions.. wild
16:25:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Any, its now officially "checked", and the sums do not match. 
16:25:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> thats the # reason it wont be merged, no matter how long you wait. Youll run the build again, and let it complete.
16:29:57 <selsta> I think it's theoretically ok to not build all targets, but if that's done there should be an explanation why. Submitting all files is preffered.
16:30:17 <selsta> preferred 
16:48:11 <luigi1111w> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/105#note_22896
16:51:18 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> thanks luigi. Yeah RIAT took a while to gather all the invoices and stuff but they got them submitted.
17:30:46 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> ofrn am I sensing a bit of toxicity here lol
17:31:30 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> jumping to conclusions pretty fast there
17:38:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> mERGE my pR
17:38:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> !!!!
17:57:14 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> Will try to build for more platforms
17:57:23 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> but we both know that isn't the problem here
17:57:40 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> I mean why it's not being merged
18:26:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> So, you thought your pr was complete
18:27:13 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And you submit it before the merges happened?
18:27:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> An inconsequential pr, that is incomplete, has 0 priority. Ty
18:29:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> The buils parties have a purpose. The purpose ia reproducibility. not to make 4rkal feel good about having his (incomplete) pr merged
18:31:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Youre not the only person who hasnt been merged, and the other one is a long time contributor with a complete pr
18:50:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tldr: your pr isnt about _you_ or any feature or fix. Complaining about it is lunacy
18:51:09 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> was just wondering what was happening. One month is a long time
21:36:20 <midipoet> ofrnxmr: i think it's important to remember that a friendly community has greater potential to be perceived as inviting to prospective contributors, while also being more appealing to current contributors to remain
21:40:20 <midipoet> diego:  how much is the last payout from the 36C3 CCS? 
21:40:47 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Half
21:41:07 <midipoet> And who gets to decide how it's spent?
21:41:15 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> So 280
21:41:31 <midipoet> How as in, "what costs for 37C3"
21:41:55 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> There is no discussion to be had about how is spent. This is owed money to riat
21:42:21 <plowsof> The original invoice was fiat not xmr iirc 
21:42:32 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> But to answer the question, I'm guessing riat
21:42:37 <plowsof> If xmr had dropped to zero, we would still owe fiat
21:43:29 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Not true plowsof
21:43:33 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Quote from the request
21:43:36 <midipoet> plowof: why do you think its fiat?
21:43:39 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> "We are asking for 560 XMR to make this happen."
21:43:49 <midipoet> Yeah, i would agree with diego on that one
21:44:09 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> The number of XMR was indeed based off of a fiat conversion, but the request was made in XMR.
21:44:55 <plowsof> The inclusion of a buffer 
21:45:16 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Is common practice for price volatility.
21:45:22 <plowsof> Intention was fiat value not xmr
21:46:20 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Incorrect.
21:47:23 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Nowhere in the proposal does it say that the amount of XMR paid should change depending on fiat value.
21:48:22 <midipoet> At an XMR price of 55 euro,  there would have been 15k euros left over. Did we over budget or under spend?
21:48:48 <midipoet> And we as in the XMR community, not Riat (just so that's clear)
21:49:47 <midipoet> And to follow up - one assumes there is ~30k of invoices for the event in 2019?
21:51:25 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> plowsof would have to confirm the amount here
21:52:48 <plowsof> Sorry, just reading the proposal. Xmr was handed over not fiat 
21:53:04 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> no worries
21:53:26 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> neither? half was given up front to meet immediate needs, such as stage downpayments and stuff
21:54:01 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> the other half was to be released contingent on RIAT getting invoices and receipts and everything which, for reasons beyond me, took until very recently to do
21:54:17 <midipoet> ah ok. So there are 30k worth of invoices then. 
21:54:49 <midipoet> And the XMR community (including Riat) benefit from the market fluctuation?
21:54:56 <plowsof> This would be kin to monerokon rolling over funds / donating to itself right?
21:55:10 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> correct midipoet
21:55:14 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> yes
21:55:27 <midipoet> plowof: as long as there are 30k worth of invoices, and the XMR community decides how to spend the balance, i suppose
21:55:29 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> although it should be noted that even this overflow will probably not cover 37C3 in its entirety
21:55:40 <midipoet> Not sure why Riat would get to solely decide
21:55:47 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> so my understanding is RIAT may look to open another proposal for the rest, although it will be much reduced from this first one
21:55:49 <midipoet> Did they put in the CCS?
21:55:52 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> since the overflow covers a big chunk
21:56:34 <midipoet> sort of feels like an -events topic
21:56:38 <midipoet> fancy that
21:57:00 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> no I guess not. But since they were the de facto runners of the show last time (and this time as well) I don't see anyone else better
21:57:07 <plowsof> Someone will be happy from something so i needed to complain immediately 
21:57:44 <plowsof> So its monerokon rolling over funds to the next one yeye
21:57:48 <midipoet> plowof: are there 30k worth of invoices?
21:57:59 <midipoet> *plowsof
21:58:25 <plowsof> Not got the exact figures but iirc its approx 25~ k but we had expected half of that 
21:59:32 <plowsof> But again, its a monerokon rolling over funds to itself thing so i have no issue 
22:00:24 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> ah right. To clarify. That 25k number was on remaining expenses, yes plowsof?
22:00:26 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> as in outstanding balances
22:00:52 <midipoet> yeah, i suppose it might be good to see what other people think as well, but from my perspective it would be good (if we view this as a rollover to the next C3 "events committee") that the XMR community has a say in the planning, and expenditure. If Riat and diego want to lead that conversation all the power to them! 
22:00:56 <plowsof> I have the exact figures* just not at hand (very extensive invoices / receipts / down to the cent)
22:01:23 <plowsof> Yes according to riat this is the outstanding amount 25ish k 
22:01:46 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Meaning RIAT underbudgeted by a lot
22:01:47 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> that 25k number was after the half paid up front
22:02:01 <midipoet> in this instance those invoice machines are so handy
22:02:06 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> and unfortunately, a committee would be a waste of time right now and more get in the way than anything
22:02:13 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> C3 is in a month and a half
22:02:32 <midipoet> sure, but there is an open process for people to get involved, no?
22:02:52 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> of course
22:03:03 <plowsof> To check the validity of the invoices?
22:03:16 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> got a Matrix Space and everything, open for anyone to join
22:03:29 <midipoet> plowsof: i am sure AI could do that
22:03:38 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> would you like an invite midipoet?
22:03:49 <midipoet> As well as that generative thing it does
22:03:52 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> you should come. C3 is a blast!
22:03:58 <midipoet> yeah, i heard
22:04:06 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Were you there one time? I forget. The days blurred to me.
22:04:45 <midipoet> I'd love to come, but i hadn't heard what the story was until now (apart from the telegram/matrix group)
22:05:03 <midipoet> Christmas is difficult for me a lot of the time though, family and such
22:05:16 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> honestly that's because we weren't sure there was going to be a CDC until like three weeks ago
22:05:29 <midipoet> Also, my invoice machine is on the blink, since ofrnxmr snuck in with a hammer
22:05:52 <midipoet> diego: i know. I am in the group
22:05:56 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> you just celebrate it another day. ez.
22:05:57 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> nothing special about the day itself
22:06:02 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> that's what I had to do for my C3 years anyways :P
22:07:18 <midipoet> is there gonna be a CfP type thing?
22:08:49 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I believe so. I can never attend the meetings cuz they're at 3AM my time >:(
22:09:08 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> all I know is I'm going and running the stage again
22:09:17 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> will apply for a talk or two once I know where that is
22:09:24 <midipoet> ah ok, well hopefully when it surfaces they'll post on XMR forums and get some XMR peeps to go. 
22:09:35 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> not many Monero people I know are confirmed going though
22:09:42 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> in fact I may be the only sure fire one
22:09:47 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> which means you need to come midipoet.
22:09:51 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Wanna chill with you again bro
22:09:53 <midipoet> That's cause nobody told the community until now
22:10:16 <midipoet> So I'd blame whomever is the organisation committee or whatever 
22:10:27 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I said yesterday didn't I?
22:10:40 <midipoet> i was probably asleep
22:10:54 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I did indeed say yesterday and said Monero people who want to go should jion
22:11:01 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> admittedly one day earlier isn't best timing still
22:11:20 <midipoet> Better late than never
22:11:38 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> to be fair, I was kind of expecting it was too late to organize so the efforts would fall apart
22:11:53 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> and got pretty busy past couple of weeks anyways
22:12:01 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> anyhow, all Monero people should come
22:12:03 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> it's a great time
22:12:10 <midipoet> But then money was found down the back of a couch, so that helps 
22:12:50 <midipoet> but yeah, a CfP would be a good start to getting some XMR related talks on
22:14:07 <plowsof> So the monero centric ness of the next event is being questioned?
22:14:28 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> not at all
22:14:39 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> everyone is actually asking where the Monero guy at
22:14:45 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> *guys
22:47:25 <midipoet> plowsof: most of the people at CDC are monero/cryptocurrency people, just less vocal in these realms, and are busier in their other realms. Riat, for example, have helped/volunteered/talked at numerous XMR events in the past. 
23:24:44 <plowsof> Thanks for sharing, did not know this