01:03:12 244~xmr was the "unhacked amount" in the CCS2 (the small wallet that was actually used to payout people quickly) so its a good number to start at <= true but this is definitely on the low side for a historical average 04:04:05 Who am I and how did I get here? 04:23:35 Youre rottenwheel, and maybe 30 more accts. Backlog in is Resolutions (Mod Support) for those interested 06:14:39 <123bob123:matrix.org> I can hold the moneys i pinky promises i wont run off 08:14:04 <4rkal:monero.social> Couldn't rino hold funds hostage? By refusing to use their key? 08:24:43 > if events want to risk 12k with it, i am sure CCS can risk the same 08:24:43 How is that an acceptable argument? If they can ignore the risk, why can't we too ignore the risk? 08:30:22 4rkal: no, the user has two keys and can recover the multisig wallet with monero cli wallet without RINO's key 08:31:27 https://www.rino.io/blog/how-to-recover-rino-wallet 08:33:01 trasherdk: by your thinking, multisg should never be used at all then? 08:34:06 I agree, at least not until it have been fixed. 08:35:42 TrasherDK which risk are you talking about? 08:42:39 The non-zero one. 08:44:25 ``` 08:44:25 plowsof 08:44:25 multisig which is what RINO is based on though, is not "known secure" (there is an above zero chance an exploit exists) 08:44:26 ``` 08:47:43 Also, multisig is pretty much unusable in it's current form. Doing a 3/5 signing require too many messages back and forth between participants. 08:54:29 <4rkal:monero.social> Oh that's pretty cool actually 08:56:06 monero itself is non-zero to be honest 08:57:02 lol 11:52:10 > Couldn't rino hold funds hostage? By refusing to use their key? 11:52:11 > The person initially creating the wallet has 2 of 3 keys and can rug-pull in theory. If you manage to separate those two keys, nobody can spend funds alone. 11:52:11 so ajs, himself, has 2 keys and can rug(?) 11:52:12 > In operation, all normal tx are signed by the user key and RINO's key (the third key remains ideally air-gapped). 11:52:12 "ideally". Too bad it is generated online 11:52:13 > For example, for a 3 of 5 approval process you need 3 users to approve a transaction before RINO counter-signs it. 11:52:13 Rino can conspire with a wallet creator to bypass all pseudosigners 11:58:23 Anyway, not any worse than a single signer wallet.. 11:58:23 q. If wallet is generated online, what assurances do you have that rino _only_ has 1 key? (as opposed to all of them) 12:04:36 Im a nice guy. We can use my server to generate your wallets. _ill_ give _you_ 2/3 keys 12:04:36 >> <@btclovera:matrix.org> 12:04:37 > The only problem I see with use ONLY this method (only RINO) is that you generated the wallet literally hot 🔥 online 12:04:37 > 12:04:38 > Would be nice if RINO allow users to create a Wallet offline via airgapped or something like that 12:04:38 Resp 12:04:39 > We currently don't support user-created keys atm. We should add that. Alternatively there's the proposal of encrypting the keys with different pgp keys so that the user and backup keys can be separated upon wallet creation. 12:04:39 notice the word "alternatively". Lol. As if the former was an inadequate, incorrect or unusable solution 12:06:43 is this regarding the CCS? 12:08:37 Yea, but its annoying 12:08:53 Buncha hairbrained schemes derailing solutiona 12:09:14 Rino is by a core memer WHO, HIMSELF, DOESNT USE IT 12:09:20 lol 12:34:30 just have one person install some wallet on their computer and manage the funds 12:34:51 we can setup a 100 person multisig but we are not Tom Cruise 12:35:51 (reference to mission impossible) 12:36:58 btw I'm working on something that looks roughly like https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/MoneroSigner.html 12:37:58 a monero touchscreen device wallet thingy 12:38:13 cute 12:38:14 hobby project 12:38:29 i like touchscreen thingies 12:39:08 i found a good 800x480 matte small touchscreen with the full color depth and it does not reflect 12:39:14 most touchscreens reflect, its really annoying 12:39:20 i also hate mirrors btw 12:39:22 ;d 12:39:40 and ill be 3D printing some enclosure 12:40:19 so basically you create a transaction on your desktop and then sign it on the device 12:40:45 you need physical access to the device to send out transactions 12:41:10 so it is better than having priv. keys on desktop or even mobile phone 12:41:33 anyway, niche product :P 12:41:34 would it be impossible to get something to work via USB 12:41:48 just thinking 12:41:57 i dont think I will have this device expose USB ports (unless you rip the device open I suppose) 12:42:13 nah i mean in theory 12:42:19 ah yeah, sure 12:42:54 Sounds interesting 👀 12:43:31 Sounds 👀 12:44:10 but it wont have a secure HW element like Trezor or whatever 12:44:29 a thief could steal the device and grab the SD card that contains the priv. key 12:44:48 I see it more as a fun gadget you can put on the closet 12:45:06 like, the dashboard could show XMR stockprice 12:45:09 a fun gadget holding you private key 12:45:10 sus 12:45:13 xD 12:45:27 well im just making it for myself anyway 12:45:34 it'l be based on feather code 12:45:58 how about encrypting the key with a passphrase as an option 12:46:12 would that work 12:46:49 cause thiefs are plenty these days 12:48:02 entering passphrases via touchscreen is a bit annoying, more so on a 5" screen 12:48:24 a short code would do 12:48:38 yeah, will do 12:48:46 just buying enough time for you to use your backup to send the funds to another address 12:48:54 was also thinking about how to do FDE while only having a touchscreen 12:48:57 👍️ 12:49:08 fde ? 12:49:15 full disk encryption 12:49:16 xD 12:49:22 oh r 12:49:25 xD 12:49:32 i dont think the bios will recognize the touch events 12:49:34 lel 12:49:50 but I could mount some encrypted storage after boot 12:49:52 i'm too old for all those acronyms lel 12:50:35 either everything is encrypted or the key is only temporarily stored in ram 12:50:53 either everything is encrypted or the decrypted key is only temporarily stored in ram 12:51:21 well, as said this is not a device for neckbeards who want to LARP as tom cruise in mission impossible, this will be a normal device, for regular users 12:51:49 lol 12:52:08 its the way to true adoption :) 12:52:24 But i wanna wear my lifts and jump onto helicopters and trains 12:52:28 :D 12:53:05 what if someone IEM your house lol 12:53:14 Cant you encrypt the sd? 12:53:50 IEM? 12:54:55 ill look into mounting encrypted file storage 12:54:56 Isnt it IMF? (partially sarcastic. Seriously, whats IEM?) 12:55:03 oh, check :P 12:55:13 emp 12:55:21 lol 12:55:28 anyway, so far I have took the Feather codebase, removed all the GUI code, and turned it into a websocket service 12:55:38 my wording is confused 12:55:48 looks nic 12:55:50 looks nice 12:55:52 then for my own GUI, I have a cross-compiled Qt6 12:56:15 it will run without X, using EGLFS 12:56:40 so it will boot straight into this app 12:56:51 which X lol 12:57:00 there are two noz 12:57:02 there are two now 12:57:51 X server, for linux desktop environments 12:57:53 so it will run without 12:57:54 brb 12:57:58 do show us a demo when you have it look nice :) 12:58:45 aye :) 13:27:06 hello 13:27:39 i translated kuno to swedish 13:28:08 but my fundraiser is not fully funded 13:28:35 if you want to support my work here is the link https://kuno.anne.media/fundraiser/bxjg/ 13:29:25 the translation is live here https://kuno.anne.media/lang/sv/ 14:10:34 xmradar Nice, but https://kuno.anne.media/faq/ is not translated? Also, are you a native speaker? I went through translations and everything seems ok, but Swedish is my 3rd language and I'm not so good at it. 14:27:39 Are you Swedish? These are clearly google translated, ai would do a better job than this 14:37:03 yes i am a native speaker but not a professional translator but should be a decent translation. 14:37:13 i dont know how to translate the faq page 14:37:20 i translated this https://github.com/annemedia/kuno-translation 14:42:27 Are you Swedish? These are clearly google translated, ai would do a better job than this 14:42:27 if you want to recommend any changes please do. But dont accuse me of anything i didnt do 14:52:10 My intention was not to be disrespectful, it was a genuine question 14:52:42 My intention was not to be disrespectful, it's a genuine question 14:53:55 clearly google translated? 14:56:55 " Alice skriver ett hjärtligt tackbrev till varje donator som en uppskattningens gest." 14:57:02 Dude 😁 14:57:37 Han når målet och använder medlen för att anställa Monero-vänliga konstnärer från MoneroMarket och köpa spelresurser med ett virtuellt CakePay betalkort. 14:57:55 "Spelresurser" 14:58:16 I could go on, there is a lot that I could comment on, but these things stick out as translated by a software, I stand hard by that comment. 15:02:20 Detta skulle felaktigt beräknas som en donation, och din insamlingsframsteg kommer att vara felaktig. Om du behöver använda medel under resan, ta alltid ut hela saldot och lämna inget "växel".', 15:02:20 This is grammatically wrong, apart from the meaning being translated incorrectly by a program. 15:03:43 I dont seek any conflict or drama, but if the community funds a project they should receive a high quality output, it's nothing personal XMRadar 15:03:52 i tried my best, but to be honest most of these sentanses dont even make sense in english 15:04:22 XMRadar: Lets discuss it in Swedish if you do not mind. 15:04:31 Detta skulle felaktigt beräknas som en donation, och din insamlingsframsteg kommer att vara felaktig. Om du behöver använda medel under resan, ta alltid ut hela saldot och lämna inget "växel".', 15:04:32 Hur skulle du översätta det här? Vad betyder meningen? 15:06:41 tbh the swedish text seemed a bit off to me too, even with my limited knowledge 15:07:15 a bit off but easier to understand than normal text :D 15:10:20 'error_entered_public_view_key' => 'Ogiltig vyckel (Ange din privata/hemliga vyckel, inte offentlig vyckel)', 15:10:20 'error_entered_public_spend_key' => 'Ogiltig vyckel (Ange din privata/hemliga vyckel, inte offentlig spenderingsvyckel)', 15:10:21 'error_entered_private_spend_key' => 'Ogiltig vyckel (Ange din privata/hemliga vyckel, inte privat spenderingsvyckel)', 15:10:21 'error_invalid_private_view_key' => 'Ogiltig vyckel (Ange din privata/hemliga vyckel)', 15:10:22 kan vi göra det har lite senare i dm pls? 15:10:40 Key is misspelt 11 times here 15:12:03 This was not correctly written either... I appreciate that you made a foundation of the translation though, it would make the job easier for someone to help with it, but it should not be compensated in its current form 15:12:29 And I do not mean any disrespect, XMRadar 15:13:11 The cost was around 50usd. Maybe try to get it reviewed for a bit more 15:13:54 Det är en view key vy nickel 15:14:13 nyckel... 15:15:33 99% of Swedish people are fluent in English, I think funds could be allocated elsewhere more effectively 15:16:05 What's not written correctly? 15:16:45 vyckel is not a word. Nyckel (key) is the word you are looking for.. 15:17:24 99% of Swedish people are fluent in English, I think funds could be allocated elsewhere more efficiently 15:18:35 Have you even looked at the original English text? 15:19:47 I have not, I don't see how thats relevant though. I gotta go for a bit, take care everyone 15:19:48 Mange ord, såsom viewkey, giver ingen mening når de bliver oversat til "se nøgle" 🤪 15:21:27 Mate I speak swedish 15:22:03 That is great! I gotta go for a while, take care everyone :) 15:22:07 As I said before it's view key vy nickel 15:22:28 And that is vyckel for some reason 15:22:55 > <@vostoemisio:matrix.org> vyckel is not a word. Nyckel (key) is the word you are looking for.. 15:22:55 In reply to @vostoemisio:matrix.org 15:22:56 vyckel is not a word. Nyckel (key) is the word you are looking for.. 15:22:56 I speak swedish 15:23:45 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/qiqcBySZLnlufyAHWdvtJMMR 15:25:33 I stated pretty clearly what I think about the translation work, if the community want to move on that's fine, gtg 15:26:00 As I said before it's view key vy nyckel 15:26:54 I stated pretty clearly what I think about the translation work, if the community want to fund it, that's fine, gtg 15:27:07 I stated pretty clearly what I think about the translation work, if the community wants to fund it, that's fine, gtg 15:27:25 ? 15:27:55 ``` 15:27:55 XMRadar 15:27:56 Det är en view key vy nickel 15:27:56 ``` 15:28:55 Yup 15:29:13 View key is vy nyckel 15:29:44 Can also be vyckel for one word 15:31:57 Your reading comprehension is as bad as your Swedish. 15:31:58 You said `Det är en view key vy nickel` 15:31:58 And `vyckel` is not a word. 15:33:21 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/ysAMLvamlJIQyhLcwJAbjVWh 15:36:52 I'm out of this bitch.... 15:37:58 As I said before the word vyckel is the combination of the words vy (view) + nyckel (key) = vyckel 15:38:32 I can fix it if you insist but I don't think your right 15:38:41 I can fix it if you insist but I don't think that you're right 15:38:43 I don't care. 15:42:21 As I said before if anyone has any recommendations as to what is wrong I can change it. But it looks like you only want to criticize and leave 15:44:50 xmradar: it's a regular occurrence. 15:49:22 Criticizing a translation that's makes no sense, consists of made up words, and don't care to have lengthy discussions about it. I presented my case. It's done. 15:50:13 Is this better? Detta skulle felaktigt räknas som en donation, och ditt insamlingsframsteg kommer att bli felaktigt. Om du behöver använda medel under resan, ta alltid ut hela saldot och lämna ingen "växel." 15:50:22 Pretty much sums it up 👆 15:50:52 Doesn't care to have a lengthy discussion.. then proceeds to leave 15:51:52 If you have any recommendations my dms are always open : ) 15:54:39 It's not one or two instances of weirdly or incorrectly translated texts. If it was I would be happy to give constructive feedback and leave it at that. 15:54:40 For any Swedish (or even Scandinavian) native it's easy to see that this is software generated. 15:54:40 Do you want me to point 10 more errors XMRada??r: ? I don't see the point of doing that 16:11:58 If you like reading short stories and like Monero try "The Monero Chronicles" Book (https://rbrunner7.github.io/book.html) So far I have read 6 of the 18 short stories and they are good. 16:12:32 That's what direct translation does lol 16:13:26 Can I dm you? 16:13:30 🤔 16:37:31 Looks like the only thing you care about is publicly criticizing and not actually contributing to anything. I'm done, if you want any changes to the translation dm me. I spent a lot of time doing this translation, but as I said before I'm far from a professional. 16:38:22 Enjoy the rest of your day 16:43:19 Can anyone send me the ENG url to the text in question? 16:43:39 If it doesn't take more than 3 hours or so I'll translate it for free 16:44:02 Can someone send me the ENG url to the text in question? 16:46:41 Can someone send me the url to the ENG text in question? 16:48:49 https://github.com/annemedia/kuno-translation 16:49:32 Thanks 17:08:22 I would have gotten away with it.. how was i supposed to know 90% of everyone here speaks fluent Swedish 17:08:55 Might have better success with Mandarin 17:13:53 dsc_ is going to complete 2 CCS' as a weekend hobby unfunded,.sigh 17:17:13 speaking of which https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/401#note_22904 17:17:29 500+ hrs 0_o 17:18:54 first milestone 250 hrs, second 342 hrs and now this 17:22:25 first I was shocked, then realized 500h is the total, not the amount of hours in the last month lol 17:28:07