00:00:21 (Couldnt resist. Relevant) 00:01:16 As far as funding kaya goes, i think posting him on his own, while the public thinks ccs is still fkd, and giving him 8 weeks is retarded 00:03:10 Opposite of reality. People donate to generalfund, theyre expecting the money to be used to support the future of monero. 00:03:10 either ccs is up and running by tomorrow meeting, or generalfund should pay kaya in full 00:04:41 8 weeks to stay silent, another 4 weeks and the whole system is still turned off 00:04:50 Thats an entire quarter 00:05:10 <123bob123:matrix.org> the great ccs reset 00:07:59 ofrnxmr: how do you think we should get CCS up and running? 00:09:44 <123bob123:matrix.org> https://monero.observer/cypherpunk-transmission-017-rethinking-monero-ccs-cypherpunk-proposal/ 00:09:45 <123bob123:matrix.org> - buddy system / adopt a dev - a trusted third party will custody the funds and every proposal would have a different wallet (which is basically direct funding) [-3rd party custodians, -Extra complexity] 00:09:45 <123bob123:matrix.org> can i adopt selsta?? 00:10:18 selsta wont 00:11:23 Problem with buddy system 00:11:27 Is what if grampy just dies? 00:11:38 <123bob123:matrix.org> i will provide clothes and shoes and food 00:12:18 logistic nightmare 00:12:30 ccs = escrow 00:13:16 Escrow is what keeps devs honest, and for dishonest devs, lets us stretch the truth about ccs having 2600xmr 00:15:32 Unfinished ccs proposals with at least 1 milestone collected, required the proposer to work for their money. 00:15:32 direct funding would only be acceptable if 00:15:32 1. Ccs proposed 00:15:33 2. Put in merge queue 00:15:33 3. Milestone completed 00:15:34 4. merged and hopefully funded before next milestone 00:15:34 5. Wait, hopefully? 00:15:57 <123bob123:matrix.org> yeah that i am not a fan of 00:16:12 <123bob123:matrix.org> direct fund = cya bozos 00:16:32 im not a fan of putting ccs in the hands of Luigi, cuz luigi doesnt care or take care 00:16:45 Id prefer to give it to fluffy on his tapped phone 00:16:57 Over twitter 00:17:10 <123bob123:matrix.org> write zero on ccs projects old then a yr with no commits? 00:17:36 Selsta keeps luigi honest 00:18:23 As far as merge queue goes. 00:18:24 Its not luigi that chooses what he gets to merge 00:19:12 Its a good system. 00:19:35 Why? Because of selsta 00:22:05 <123bob123:matrix.org> is there a list of options for this? 00:22:06 <123bob123:matrix.org> somewhere 00:22:38 <123bob123:matrix.org> in the ethereum 03:08:07 All the fun stuff always happens when I'm sleeping. Time zones suck 🤬 06:38:39 Join us today to talk about MoneroKon fund campaing as well as the Price and the NEW reports @ https://monero.town/post/1204437 07:16:42 https://funding.monerokon.com 07:16:58 Call for Presentation should be up soon 07:17:09 Call for Presentations should be up soon 07:52:54 MoneroKon 2024 Volunteer Sign up: https://volunteer.monerokon.org 09:26:24 Community meeting in 5 hrs 30~ mins https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/934 09:29:04 my fellow None Protected Group (NPG) members please join me in opening our doordash apps and going online 09:56:57 <123bob123:matrix.org> i'll get the match sticks out? 10:14:25 Im online, sup 14:58:53 A reminder to all who want to help keep the Monero Konferenco high quality and professional, to contribute if you can on https://funding.monerokon.com/ 14:59:00 Dankon everyone. 15:00:50 Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/934 15:00:53 Greetings, hello 15:00:54 Bro's/bitches - What's up. Are we doing this shit, or are you moving off-line? 15:01:07 thanks for the funding link reminder msvb. monerokon call for presenatations is also open: https://cfp.monerokon.org/2024/cfp , volunteers please apply here https://volunteer.monerokon.org/ 15:01:12 hey 15:01:27 hello 15:01:29 Gm 15:01:31 Lurking 15:01:46 Hello. 15:03:02 what would be the purpose of this meeting? an end/round up of the proposals for "fixing" or "evolving" the CCS? 15:03:25 pay plowsof and kaybanerve from generalfund 15:03:26 meeting over? 15:03:38 a reminder of where we are at currently: the [WIP](https://ccs.getmonero.org/work-in-progress/) list have funding secured from the General Fund, sent to luigi who then makes payments. The [Ideas](https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/) are divided into 2 distinct groups, the Protected Group (PG) - who are core developers / researchers that generally get auto-merged, and the None Protect 15:03:39 ed Group (NPG) which would be everything else. PG's have funding secured by either retro funding on the CCS or direct funding from the GF or a combination of the above. NPG's have no such guarantee and must wait until the CCS wallet situation is "fixed". 15:03:48 luigi1111 can better clarify if there are errors 15:04:21 These groups dont really exist 15:04:32 I just added plowsof and kaybanerve to "protected" 15:04:45 (that is, if they do exist) 15:05:07 hello 15:05:45 Pro-Escrow (PE) and None-Pro-Escrow (NPE). an example of PE from midpoet: "I think we could establish a list of people willing to be escrow provider...." [cont](https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20231124) and an NPE idea can be found at: [Rethinking Monero CCS - escapethe3ra](https://monero.observer/cypherpunk-transmission-017-rethinking-monero-ccs-cypherpunk-proposal/) 15:06:29 Im not here because i have an hour to talk bullshit 15:06:56 I do that outside of meetings, in my spare time. 15:06:57 Please stop posting non-solutions 15:06:59 further discussion on this happened yesterday [here](https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20231124#c306288) 15:07:10 nowww 15:07:34 Now, either ccs wallet is uo and running? (i assume its not), or generalfund can start paying out merge queue 15:07:37 Our 15:07:44 everybody is orot 15:07:48 Protected* 15:07:50 is there anything missing? a new idea/proposal that hasnt been discussed already? Core shuld have enough to act upon? 15:08:27 We need an escrow step/process of some sort, imo. The question is how many escrowers we should have, and whether they should use multisig or not. 15:09:39 i dont even want to be involved in a PG / NPG situation, i'd rather doordash 15:09:45 multisig, yes, but not yet. 15:09:46 escrow, of course. 15:09:46 no multisig = 1 15:09:47 multisig = 3/4 and 2/3 donation ans payout 15:11:35 At this point, we should ignore what have already been settled, and move to secure a future solution. The CCS have a long record of success, getting fucked up by human (error/malice). The CCS didn't fail, someone else failed. 15:11:42 the 'ccs coordinator' loses 25% of his role and then gets to shoulder his way into the PG. no way lol 15:12:06 or 85% , a large chunk anyway 15:12:29 The ccs coordinator worked for 12+ months and was paid for 6 15:12:48 While being kept out if the loop and made to look like a fool 15:13:10 For 60/90days of most recent term 15:13:30 "90" (which was really 180) 15:13:51 ofrnxmr raised a good point about kayabanerves proposal being granted 2 months on the CCS page -now- in a Post Hack environment. Pre Hack , 2 months would have been plenty of time i think to achieve most if not all reauested funding. but now, in a post hack time, his proposal may suffer because of the CCS' problems,, which is uncalled for 15:14:33 Not just this proposal, but continued work on fcmp can come to a halt haveno style.. 15:15:20 there are definitely follow up prooosals 15:15:37 Were 1/4 of a year wasted. 15:15:38 lets just keep pretending the world will wait for us 15:15:55 Fcmp is essential 15:16:10 can we not use kayaba's and plowsof's proposals to test out new setup? GF can donate a chunk to them if required 15:16:18 Articmine and fluffy have posted sentiments to that nature, thats 2/7 signers 15:16:20 Lololol 15:16:21 we must wait for Cores input on all the ideas/proposals for fixing the CCS as we havn't received any since the last meeting 15:16:45 > can we not use kayaba's and plowsof's proposals to test out new setup? GF can donate a chunk to them if required 15:16:46 Midi, im actually suggesting the matter for those 2 15:16:49 just that monerokon being linked on the funding required page is seems to be a good idea 15:16:51 Latter* 15:17:06 I should look up on twitter, how to spell "sksualllt". 15:17:08 > just that monerokon being linked on the funding required page is seems to be a good idea 15:17:09 Its a terrible idea 15:17:31 Its not monerokon, its paying to form a legal entity 15:17:40 Monerokon ccs will come when it comes 15:17:57 ccs coordinator that reads emails being boosted to funding required paid while actual devs in the NPG look on and starve 15:18:39 Actual devs should be boosted too 15:19:00 I dont know abiut you, but i see 2500xmr jet fund sitting in generalfund, LITERALLY for occasions like this 15:19:05 Use kt 15:19:08 It 15:19:11 kayabas was voted for merge a long time before i even posted my proposal 15:19:19 technically monero now has a dev fund 15:19:26 Or.. quit the excuses about not raising money 15:19:37 general fund == our dev fund, and we only have 9000 xmr 15:19:40 No they dont 15:19:40 ofrnxmr: who are you talking to? 15:19:50 Plowsof 15:20:08 The generalfund is not our dev fund 15:20:13 Its bareky an emergency fund 15:20:17 I don't understand why we can't stay on topic 15:20:32 which is what is the next step for CCS? 15:20:40 theres nothing to talk about 15:20:48 Then why are you talking? 15:20:49 there are actions that need ti happen 15:20:58 And nobody willing to do anything 15:21:09 the idea of promoting legal entities (what the actual fuck) seriously? 15:21:16 If i say "give luigi a new wallet" 15:21:16 We will move forward 15:21:27 which is fuckin retarded 15:22:44 it rests with Core to decide who would qualify for the escrow positions to begin with. at the moment, bF is still happy for luigi to continue the role which is why he asked what community felt @ https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20231111 15:22:56 No it doesnt 15:23:10 if it does, fine 15:23:27 we can suggest names all we want but they're the ones who have to sign off on it in reality... otherwise we are talking about a ccs dot monero dot com fork 15:23:35 Your funeral 15:23:40 No it isnt 15:23:57 They can either okay ball or have a boating accident 15:24:16 everyone proposes their magical idea that fixes everything -> no-one will actually work to implement it and/or it assumes other people will -> luigi ends up with ccs wallet duties again 15:24:23 we can just skip to the end 15:24:23 So we have a first vote then? Luigi to escrow CCS wallet. 15:24:26 perfect 15:24:37 1 is Yes. 2 is No. 15:24:43 2 15:24:46 Clownshow 15:24:53 2 15:25:30 1. 15:25:34 Sneedlewoods, you can vote yknow 15:25:48 > 1. 15:25:49 🤣 15:25:59 k im out 15:26:46 the beatings only get worse - you get to be luigis shield again 15:26:57 Anybody else voting? 15:27:21 thats 2 and 2 15:27:23 Stalemate 15:27:33 I would say no, at least as long as it's not disclosed how it happened 15:27:33 Yet we want a 2/7 multisig 15:27:35 Cant even get 7 votes 15:28:01 Fkn c l o w n s h o w 15:28:07 so 3 no. And 2 yes. 15:28:12 Im going to talk to fluffy 🤬 15:28:18 nioc voted 1 last meeting 15:28:27 N stop wasting my time 15:28:40 core runs this bitch? So what am i talking to you ppl for 15:28:48 luigi is escrowing the ccs funds already for the PG 15:28:54 > nioc voted 1 last meeting 15:28:54 Speak for yourself 15:29:03 Ceetee dan and all my 5000 alts voted no 15:29:06 So fk u we win 15:29:16 Do you midipoet have a fast explanation why you vote against the luigi escrow option? 15:29:24 then the beatings shall continue , just trying to be realistic 15:29:59 Because it is proven to be the source of a vulnerability/threat/attack vector that may surface again. 15:30:03 S l a p 15:30:15 +1 midi 15:30:25 And luigi didnt give 2 fucks 15:30:32 Casually like "oh well" 15:30:33 I would also vote no if fluffy was the escrow provider 15:30:39 Fuck all that bullshit 15:30:46 fluffy wont be escrow 15:30:54 But if core is pkowsofs boss 15:31:01 midpoet didnt you type shouldn't be then should be the other day when asked about luigi 15:31:05 than plowsof can stfu and do as hes told 15:31:09 That's understandable midipoet. 15:31:41 plowsof: i don't understand the question 15:31:47 One way or another, ccs is movijg forwaed 15:32:00 Plowsof and some others say "core will do it" 15:32:04 we should leave the vote open for a few more days. Maybe 48 hours 15:32:14 And then move on with the outcome. 15:32:26 So a person like dsc or geonic would be better for the role, because they are less well known. Is that approximately why you vote 2 midipoet? 15:32:37 It's not that hard. We need wallets for active development, dormant development(jet fund) and a hot thingy to make the actual payouts. 15:32:38 In a community of developers, it shouldn't be that hard. 15:32:40 Msvb is HILARIOUS 15:32:46 Hahahahahahahahaggahaggagagagad 15:33:12 msvb-lab: i think we should have a few CCS wallets, and escrow providers unknown and rotated 15:33:32 I remember partially the discussion now, okay midipoet. 15:34:08 Geonic is less well known. Lol. 15:34:09 to who?? 15:34:13 I still vote 1 for the strong preference to the kiss factor and historical value. 15:34:14 Hes trying to win a fkn oscar 15:34:28 Historical value = balance says 0 15:34:55 Men lie, women lie, numbers dont lie 15:35:27 the beatings shall continue until the public outcry reaches a boiling point (could take another month or 2.. or 6) 15:35:40 Luigi and his "i wont be able to do forensics for 2 more weeks" maid attacks are ideal 15:35:57 Can we move on to next topic please? 15:36:11 Vote stays open for 48 hours, i think that's fair. 15:36:15 No 15:36:23 Monero development will just die 15:36:29 6 months of starvation is a clown suggest bud 15:36:35 There are no topics for discussion, afaik. 15:36:43 ofrnxmr: what are you on about? 15:36:46 I like this one "strong preference to the kiss factor " 15:36:47 Kissing who's ass ? 15:36:48 Its "soo...." 15:36:53 "have we.. no? Not yet?" 15:37:04 We cant merge anything 15:37:24