04:14:02 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> How is m​idipoet: `The most the community loses is the XMR amount associated with that milestone.` even in the conversation?
04:14:02 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> Sponsors funds should never be put at risk.
06:50:22 <plowsof> Because a seed was created with barely any entropy, and sent half via superPrivateChat.apk , the rest via carrier pigeon. Then an evil maid ignored a windows machine with other crypto wallet(s). This is why community funds should be put at risk
07:00:24 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> E2ee carrier pigeon ?
07:59:44 <midipoet> trasherdk: sponsors funds are evidently at risk with DF or escrow, as we have have seen. 
08:11:51 <m-relay> <m​ichael:monero.social> Remember to volunteer to organise our assembly at the forthcoming CCC Congress in case a Monero presence is welcome there.
08:11:53 <m-relay> <m​ichael:monero.social> For participation at the Cryptocurrency Hackers assembly contact me here or on events.
11:04:21 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> m​idipoet: The loss of funds had nothing to do with the CCS system. It was solely caused by one persons negligence aka. Total fuck-up.
11:12:18 <midipoet> trasherdk: so what you're saying is that a single party escrow system poses no risk?
12:01:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> But GF is 👌?
12:08:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "we musnt risk rhe $5
12:09:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> " 
12:09:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "sir, what about the 5m?"
12:09:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "what about it?"
12:09:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "... nvm"
12:10:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > m​idipoet: The loss of funds had nothing to do with the CCS system. It was solely caused by one persons negligence aka. Total fuck-up.
12:10:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Agreed
12:11:16 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> I'm saying that the existing CCS system have a long record of success.
12:11:16 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> The direct funding system has zero, as shown by proponents of DF wanting exposure through the CCS.
12:12:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Why u gotta tell the truth, trasher?
12:12:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> people prefer their comfort zones
12:12:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> escrow = what your employer does
12:13:09 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> Bursting bubbles is my favorite pastime.
12:13:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> But, does your employer disappear on payday?
12:14:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> im going to go ask my boss at work for DF
12:14:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Aint that called "being a stripper"
12:15:02 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> Good luck with that. They are going to laugh their asses of while kicking you out the door.
12:15:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> My ass is phat
12:15:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Theyll be throwing dollars to see the door hit it omw out!
12:15:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> DF = best funding 
12:15:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> (im jkn)
12:18:25 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/GOPcvSHfkqrsQVKCbttIfIoq
12:20:16 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> This is what the 68 Mustang I'm restoring. You can buy it now, paying 1000 XMR. It'll be ready for pickup in about 2 months.
12:20:16 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> How does that sound?
12:20:55 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> This is what the 68 Mustang I'm restoring is going to look like 💯
12:29:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> pinky promise you wont run off?
12:38:52 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> Suuure 💯
12:43:40 <midipoet> GF also poses a risk to sponsors/donors funds, as it is also (as I understand it) a single party escrow system
12:44:14 <midipoet> we haven't really learned anything new with this exchange, apart from trasher liking Fords
12:47:54 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> It was an example of reputational direct funding. Something the OG devs with the longstanding reputation doesn't want.
12:52:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Midipoet is a slow learner
12:52:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "we" hehe
12:53:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> DF is for larping or for those who dont need ccs
12:54:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And larp is an acronym for live action role play.. its not an insult, its an observation
13:02:48 <m-relay> <m​egamind1337:matrix.org> Hello everyone, what’s the process for introducing and approving changes to Monero? I apologise for the newbie question, maybe there’s some documentation I missed
13:11:21 <plowsof> Changes can be submitted via a pull request on github (or a patch pasted/shared on IRC). It's then reviewed/approved by the relevant devs  
13:14:13 <plowsof> Eventually merged into a release branch 
13:22:23 <m-relay> <m​egamind1337:matrix.org> Thank you!
13:22:23 <m-relay> <m​egamind1337:matrix.org> So in a practical sense the reviewers are encumbered with deciding whether or not some changes are accepted? If so, how are those devs selected?
13:24:07 <dsc_> I am still working on a physical, dedicated Monero wallet with a touchscreen
13:25:09 <dsc_> airgapped device, 800x480 matte IPS display
13:25:12 <dsc_> 5"
13:25:30 <dsc_> its gona b kewl
13:26:24 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> megamind1337: Do you want to suggest some specific changes, or are you just curious about the process? The process is different for different kinds of changes.
13:26:35 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Users decide what software they are going to run. So users decide.
13:30:23 <m-relay> <m​egamind1337:matrix.org> No suggestions, just learning how it works, is this the wrong channel?
13:30:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Community devs and community reviewers review your suggestions or PRs
13:31:28 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> This is the right channel. It's a question with a complicated answer
13:31:40 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Monero has no BIP-like process.
13:32:21 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> A consensus-level change has much more discussion, review, and scrutiny than s simple wallet bug fix, for example.
13:32:57 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Some big changes start here: https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues
13:36:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sorry to change the subject
13:36:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://nitter.net/watchfund/status/1732391070216908886
13:37:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> But ive decided not to buy my jet yet
13:37:21 <m-relay> <m​egamind1337:matrix.org> I understand, there’s always a balance in these things that has no strictly right or wrong answers; i appreciate the answers though!
14:22:49 <plowsof> binaryFate check general fund for a donation?
14:23:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof, you brought your parachute?
14:25:38 <plowsof> Lol
14:26:09 <plowsof> Ofrnxmr the only one paying attention around here
14:31:05 <m-relay> <t​obtoht:monero.social> did we get our ccs money back?
14:31:49 <m-relay> <0​xfffc:matrix.org> Lol
14:32:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "paying" attention
14:32:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> (did you catch the pun?? Did ya?)
14:32:25 <m-relay> <0​xfffc:matrix.org> Can we verify this?
14:32:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> PlowsofAI is in verification mode
14:32:50 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> But hes running on an hdd
14:32:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Might take little while
14:33:24 <m-relay> <t​obtoht:monero.social> I have GF synced, +2696.72 XMR (might be change)
14:33:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> ( polar9669:  posted first. Also paying attn)
14:33:50 <selsta>  GF1 gets swept to GF2, it can't be change
14:34:03 <plowsof> Luigi1111
14:36:07 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> SGP could see if there are any plausible paths back to the CCS theft txs. (no, I'm not jealous 🥲 )
14:36:31 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> I just don't have my Monero data set up to quickly analyze the paths.
14:37:36 <plowsof> We can finally buy monero dot com!!! /S
14:39:13 <sech1> that tx has the oldest of 16 ring members created on October 25th. Either it was churned, or it's not directly from the CCS hack
14:41:54 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> It only has a single input, too.
14:42:38 <sech1> Single input is typical after you do sweep_all
14:43:29 <m-relay> <p​olar9669:matrix.org> Sweep, churn, churn, regret, donate
14:44:09 <midipoet> regret is a powerful mistress
14:59:45 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> sech1: Did you read SGP's https://moonstoneresearch.com/2023/11/03/Postmortem-of-Monero-CCS-Hack.html ?
15:01:25 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> The theft occurred in multiple txs because the CCS wallet had so many unspent outputs. Then the thief may have sent a PocketChange tx to themself.
15:03:08 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> The single-input donation tx doesn't mean it was or wasn't related to the theft. Just interesting that a single output would have so much XMR.
15:05:53 <m-relay> <s​gp:magicgrants.org> What's the txid?
15:06:01 <m-relay> <s​gp:magicgrants.org> never mind, sorry still waking up
15:13:02 <plowsof> Until they are confirmed swept to GF2 , those moneros don't exist 
15:15:09 <plowsof> It was a social experiment to test loyalty to Core
15:18:00 <plowsof> Cheeky wink on the tweet and everything 
15:30:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> The tweets arent a bot?
15:31:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> A few others have the wink too
15:31:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And a tiny donation has 🐋🚨
15:33:37 <plowsof> If amount contains 69 OR 420 add wink
15:34:00 <plowsof> If amount < 1 cent trigger whale alert
15:35:59 <m-relay> <c​omradeblin:matrix.org> WTF
15:36:06 <m-relay> <c​omradeblin:matrix.org> Who, how
15:37:02 <m-relay> <c​omradeblin:matrix.org> ah
15:37:10 <m-relay> <c​omradeblin:matrix.org> nvm
15:45:32 <luigi1111> Wat
15:46:18 <m-relay> <c​omradeblin:matrix.org> dis
15:46:19 <m-relay> <c​omradeblin:matrix.org> image.png
15:46:52 <plowsof> luigi1111 sum1 donated about 2.6k xmr to GF1 
15:47:35 <plowsof> Pick the red phone up and call bF so it can be swept to GF2 rhanks
15:48:12 <plowsof> Wind it up first (not even connected to the grid. So secure is it)
15:48:35 <luigi1111> I just did
15:49:23 <luigi1111> Wow
15:49:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> see?
15:50:06 <plowsof> Thanks
15:50:39 <plowsof> bF tells.the pilot to land at the nearest flat piece of land
15:51:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not a mark on her
15:51:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> even filled it up with gas
15:56:42 <plowsof> X'D 
15:57:24 <m-relay> <0​xfffc:matrix.org> Maybe not correct time, but I still think we should make this whole GF wallets more secure.
15:57:54 <plowsof> Nah we need to delay the entire monero project and work on the ccs wallet first
16:00:32 <plowsof> Multisig out of experimental state with UX improvements in 3 months , lets go
16:01:38 <luigi1111> It is a proposal please don't knock it I have a very fragile ego
16:09:03 <plowsof> Just long enough to force urgency. I like your proposal +1
16:10:00 <plowsof> My ego is now even more fragile that ive made someone mention their own fragile ego. Please forgive me 
16:10:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <p​lowsof> Nah we need to delay the entire monero project and work on the ccs wallet first
16:10:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 💯 lmao
16:11:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "Plowsof with an ego" Hopefully one day 🤞
16:13:07 <plowsof> Goals for 2024!
16:17:17 <dsc_> just start every sentence with "listen bro, [...]"
16:19:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> For 2023* lfg
16:20:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im jk. I read something plowsof wrote last week
16:20:07 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And i was like "atta boy"
16:22:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> (in my head)
16:22:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> and somebody else replied "its not like you to be so direct" or similar. 
16:22:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof's ego is growing up 🔥
16:23:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> ofrnxmr better tread lightly in 2024
16:24:42 <plowsof> If im not tired then I don't have to go to bed i said (stamped my foot after it)
17:53:01 <binaryFate> I moved the fat donation to GF2
17:53:47 <plowsof> It's real woohoo thank you 
17:55:49 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> So it's real? We have the same amount as before, basically?
17:55:56 <plowsof> More
17:56:21 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Oh man.
17:57:15 <plowsof> 2,675.73 stolen and
17:57:22 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Somehow hard to believe. Maybe just a glitch in the universe simulation :)
17:57:58 <selsta> where was nioc's cat today
17:58:25 <nioc> selsta: I might have to check her wallet
17:58:41 <plowsof> 21 extra rbrunner, if the whale would like a refund please email bF xD
18:13:30 <m-relay> <0​xfffc:matrix.org> https://youtu.be/gHFuXe-glRY 
18:13:30 <m-relay> <0​xfffc:matrix.org> Welcome to the real world!
18:24:44 <m-relay> <h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> (this was all a ploy by core to speedup multisig)
18:47:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0xFFFC:  found my autobiography
18:49:30 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lol hacker shit themselves?
18:52:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://youtu.be/Nbb1OQohuMQ
18:52:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Skip to :35
18:54:09 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Everyone back to insecure setups plz. It was over hyped.
18:54:41 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> #ban youtube links#
18:54:53 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> It's that brax video about the HTTPS scam
18:55:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Nbb1OQohuMQ
18:55:40 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> oh lol
18:56:21 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I just watched a Brax video and apparently the EU is going to force a "EU" root certificate in everyone throat.
18:57:20 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> I need to pee pee brb
18:57:42 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> I know france is doing something with browsers
19:00:20 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Eu will force a root certificate and will make it illegal for browser to blacklist it
19:00:20 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> To make it simple, they are crying because all traffic is https and they want to see it all
19:00:33 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> https://therecord.media/eu-urged-to-drop-law-website-authentication-certificates
19:01:57 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lol
19:02:02 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Stiff shit
19:02:04 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Problem is it will be in all countries
19:02:14 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> yep
19:02:15 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lets go to an eu country to decrypt
19:16:42 <luigi1111> <plowsof> 21 extra rbrunner, if the whale would like a refund please email bF xD <= referencing 21m something or other surely
19:17:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> No
19:17:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Referencing the amount of days plowsof has been volunteering
19:17:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 21m is meaniingless around here
19:17:55 <luigi1111> Ah ha
19:18:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im the whale tho 82X4L9o1DjGXuB6eGCAuW2UvG2pusRwZ754QLMqoYk1rhRBP1VUKGWtPsjhFV8ragbHG4SSe7H9srJgxzxBkoKhu8Zcw3aw
19:18:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Please refund the surplus. Thx
19:19:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im also satoshi unless anybody wants to prove otherwise
19:20:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And yes, i shredded the wallet already. As you can imagine, i didnt want any proof to exist that i had the stolen money
19:21:21 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> 21 is cleary 777, as much luck as you can get
19:24:13 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Chmod 777
19:26:01 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Hacker can send email to hardware⊙go😉
19:29:33 <sech1> Real hacker can send email _from_ hardware⊙go
19:30:24 <dsc_> :D
19:31:18 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> And the connecting email client is a m$ machine 😳
19:31:49 <Inge> where were the ~2600 XMR sent? to the same wallet that was drained?
19:32:07 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> The General Monero Fund
19:32:38 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> The garage door is closed like ofrn said so they got to park it somewhere else 😂
19:36:36 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Probably a pegasus link in tx_extra
19:36:37 <Inge> And it is confirmed to not be change?
19:38:07 <sech1> yes, it wasn't a change
19:38:16 <sech1> bF already moved it
19:38:53 <Inge> But anon and no information on source?
19:40:13 <sech1> No one claimed it yet
19:41:00 <Inge> cool beans
19:41:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I claimed but nobody believes me
19:42:52 <sech1> then you can just share the tx private key to prove it
19:43:24 <sech1> then everyone can check it in "Prove sending" tab in https://www.p2pool.io/explorer/tx/d6f518d8131472aac362f1f22a99da46fc93aed53af8c83baf637f62193c4f11
19:47:33 <luigi1111> Note don't do that unless you have a timestamp 
19:48:40 <Inge> Did someone discuss the Moonstone "tracking" results from the fund drain?
19:49:11 <Inge> It looked like they could make some initial educated guesses due to Monerujo Pocketchange, but not much after that - is that the gist of it?
19:52:23 <nioc> maybe pocketchange
19:53:23 <Inge> Sure, maybe pocketchange. 
19:53:30 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Guessitmate
19:54:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <s​ech1> then you can just share the tx private key to prove it
19:54:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I just said i shredded that
19:54:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > And yes, i shredded the wallet already. As you can imagine, i didnt want any proof to exist that i had the stolen money
19:54:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> ^
19:54:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Trust me
19:54:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> tm
19:55:46 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Recover from snapshot
20:48:38 <m-relay> <0​xfffc:matrix.org> Evidence: trust me bro
21:40:32 <m-relay> <r​anger_emdin:matrix.org> hey is this the real monero merch? https://moneromerch.com/ and if it is why isnt it on getmonero.org
21:49:37 <plowsof> The real monero merch as in?
21:53:22 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Will the real monero please stand up
21:54:12 <plowsof> Seems to be the correct URL. 2 months ago i notified them that the ccs wallet has public private viewkeys of they ever want to prove their % donations https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1792r91/comment/k55klqd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
21:54:39 <plowsof> To the old / haxd wallet (rip)
22:29:06 <azerx> Hi guys, does anyone know more about the DAO discussion for monero? i remember reading about it a while back....any new update? 
22:32:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dao?
22:32:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Maybe 0xmonero
22:33:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Whats next, we unionize?
22:34:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> (thats my "what is the state of DAO's in Monero, as per ofrnxmr")
22:35:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hopefully that answers your question. I also hope others agree (were not looking into forming a dao)
22:39:03 <azerx> yes a DAO, i will see if i find it...and its not really a bad thing to be honest for ensuring devs are funded
22:39:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 🚮
22:40:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> if dev want money, dev come say "i want money" dev work, dev get paid
22:40:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> what do i need an NFT for
22:40:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> (a gimmick)
22:41:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Need multisig, not politicians
22:41:43 <azerx> ahh maybe it was connected to the thread by fluffy :D
22:42:05 <azerx> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/921
22:44:49 <azerx> What is then the consensus around "disbanding" monero Core as the post talks about?
22:52:30 <luigi1111> That was a bit rushed by fp imo. I think the sentiment of core being more irrelevant is good, but it's not completely realistic to decentralize certain things
22:53:30 <luigi1111> Although that's partially orthogonal I guess to the workgroup question. 
23:17:13 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Funds were returned…maybe…not sure. Return to your normal viewing pleasure