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I reformatted my y computer with element installed and now I can’t verify its me -_- 09:33:00 There goes your encrypted messages :/ 09:37:32

Oh well. Ill just make a new profile I guess 09:37:45

Thanks for the heads up 09:38:00

Didnt even realize that was the case.. 09:38:14

Ill be back lol 09:40:43 You don't really have to make an entirely new profile. Just throw away encrypted messages 09:41:27 verified profiles are also unverified now 09:43:11 what is xmr.se? 10:02:41 Inge: I just see a block explorer at xmr.se. You mean who is running that? If yes, no idea. Maybe this is also a seed node? 10:03:23 Someone running it in a Stockholm data center: https://obe.net/hosting 10:23:19 I also see killercat103 seems to be on xmr.se? 10:23:25 like a matrix server or something? 10:23:53 Oh hi. Tried it cuz it didn't require email which i thought was cool 10:24:51 Well, someone from Stockholm (not me) is probably running it 10:24:58 I don't think the room directory is public but it feels good enough in speed and theres a matrix room to talk about the instance so im satisfied 10:25:04 Maybe the same person who put XMR sticker all over Stockholm :D 10:25:18 *stickers 10:25:52 You need to sign up with a matrix client. No client on the website 14:57:14 the impromptu meeting tomorrow for initial feedback / round up of luigis ccs proposal https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/934#issuecomment-1847323570 15:01:00 an upcoming feather wallet release from tobtoht will also be shared (with offline signing with easy user experience) 15:57:18 plowsof: Clever, getting more people to join the meeting by tempting them with a freebie :) 16:12:53 I will miss the meeting 16:13:12 what freebie will I be missing? 16:21:14 only the latest and greatest in cold signing monero transactions with secure optical data transfer technology from the new feather wallet release 16:22:32 some of our very own feline friends who are CLI maxis may even be tempted to use it 16:32:46 i wont support this animated QR stuff for my hw wallet project 16:32:58 grabbing a phone is a bit too much effort 16:33:20 however for feather desktop it makes sense 16:36:44 Do you think wowlet will do it too 😲 16:36:57 probably not 16:37:27 but, i read it in the whitepaper 16:38:15 https://i.imgur.com/eocCabq.png here is a pic of feather running on a $15 computer btw 16:38:28 Jkn. I cant even read. 16:38:28 I think offline signing will come to other wallets too 16:38:37 uhm, the graph moves, bad frame 16:38:52 How far off is Seraphis? Like ballpark. Next year, 2 or more? That's assuming it doesn't run into a hole or something. The community is focused on release, right? Any major doubts? 16:42:19 "Well that was an awkward silence" 16:42:54 oh jez, did I say something wrong? 16:43:09 should I get my coat? 16:43:15 lol 16:44:52 #no-wallet-left-behind:monero.social workgroup headed by rbrunner7 are pushing seraphis forward 16:46:56 I give a ballpark of 2 years (from now) and knowing that you usually underestimate such things easily by half I land at 3 years until we really hardfork. Just think about the 2 dozen or so wallets that all need to adjust for a smooth transition, ideally. Plus integrations for between 5 to 10 programming languages. And Haveno. And Serai. I better stop :) 16:47:27 But yeah, we really do focus on this. 16:48:17 Many thanks. Glad to find No Wallet Left Behind too 16:49:21 I keep seeing talk of it, but had no picture of when. 16:50:14 Its always need 2+n years away 16:50:27 Youll know when, after things start to take shape 16:50:33 Almost like fusion is always 50 years away, no? 16:50:36 Not a good idea? I mean Seraphis 16:50:40 Been** 16:51:12 Rbrunner - right. Then magically 1 day, its 90 days out. 16:52:02 Well, soon jberman, jeffro256 and dangerousfreedom will more or less run out of other big things to program for the cdebase, so there is hope. 16:52:13 lol I think I stepped into something 16:52:21 Thing are coming together, but not yet to a point where you can say "all we have to do is a b c and j , polish q and test r, then were done" 16:53:34 Except multisig maybe, that may develop into a distraction from Seraphis ... 16:54:23 Polyseed is being implemented by wallets now, instead of waiting for the hard fork 16:54:38 Thats 1 less change that people need to make at the time 16:54:59 Yes, which is nice. Pressure mounts for the "official" wallet to lift their asses 16:55:02 *wallets 16:55:18 Even once seraphis is ready, services need to be prepared for address and seed changes 16:55:52 Doing the seed now means they can keep the same wallet moving forward 16:55:55 Yes. Surprise: Those very long addresses will probably get longer still :) 16:56:24 Is Polyseed related to Seraphis changes? 16:56:39 Jamtis requires it iirc 16:56:48 But it doesnt require jamtis 16:57:04 I would say no. Just a different way to arrive at "the" private key. But people will learn to handle it, so less confusion for the hardfork, as I see it. 16:57:06 Or maybe its seraphis. 16:57:06 ill shutup now 16:59:21 But yeah. I think its better is the majority of users are on their new seeds _before_ the fork. Then they dont have to create new wallets and move their funds all at the same time 17:00:36 Jamtis + polyseed at the same time is a pretty major change to make. New seeds and addresses = new wallet. Seraphis = new protocol. 17:00:36 so its like a whole new blockchain. Hard forks can be contentious enough. Id prefer a "smooth transition" 17:01:06 at least, as smooth as possible 17:01:49 Yes. I once called it *Monero 2.0* or *Monero New Generation* and got flak immediately :) 17:03:32 Also, fcmp if it comes at the same time, changes everything again 17:03:41 But I imagine it will be seen like that. 2 protocols with the same aim 17:03:44 Or better, changes even more. 17:03:46 izzzy: Users won't need a new seed. The 25 word seeds will not be deprecated. Polyseed is convenient and optional. 17:05:06 I'd say a lot more than convenient. A damned good thing to happen 17:05:37 Ask dEBRUYNE about support nightmares because of wrong restore height. 17:06:13 rbrunner7: I know :) 17:06:27 I swear koe or tevador were questioning whether to even support converting 16 > 25, since the plan was to drop 25 17:06:29 25 has issues 17:07:20 Well, you can't stop people from programming that, it's not difficult at all to give out those bits, decided by Polyseed, as a legacy 25 word seed 17:08:11 Basically one line of code and an interactive way to bring that to execution 17:08:51 > since the plan was to drop 25 17:08:55 Er... no. 17:10:30 There are many multicoin wallets that have a single BIP39 seed phrase for all coins, including Monero. They usually use a custom method to convert the BIP39 to a Monero seed. Probably those wallets will still use the 25 word Monero seed phrase because BIP39 does not encode store height. 17:11:33 Looks like that to me as well. 17:11:59 * restore height. Not store height 17:14:05 rucknium: I assumed that the 25th word was extra key information and not related to the block height at time of creation. Can you explain this? 17:14:59 Because your comment makes it sound like it is used to encode some block number, which seems impossible because keys are made without connectivity sometimes. 17:15:33 The 25th word is a checksum. It will be one of the first 24 words. The 25 word seed phrases do not encode restore height. 17:15:57 Polyseed does encode restore height. 17:16:32 I am saying that the specified multicoin wallets probably won't use polyseed. 17:17:03 If you don't have connectivity, and your daemon is behind, all that will happen is that you get a restore height that's too low. No drama as long as you don't start at the genesis block 17:20:00 it guesses the blockheight from the date (there is some date far in the future where it can't guess anymore.. i forgot) 21:44:22 if a monero address never leaks (ex. wallet primary address) can a future quantum computer tie all or any of it's stealth addresses together? 22:07:33 Maybe a better q for Monero Research Lounge 22:35:13 so for this 'hw wallet' i'm attempting, it will sit on your LAN and in order to make a transaction you'll use any other device to browse to its web-interface 22:35:41 but any outgoing transaction will need to be confirmed by phyiscally operating the touchscreen 22:36:35 in terms of attack surface it sits somewhere between a Trezor and a airgapped old thinkpad 22:38:00 no, attack surface is the wrong word 22:39:46 in terms of 'security', i.e: since the private key is not on your computer or mobile it is more safe than that, but not safer than a Trezor because they have a secure element 22:40:35 so people with certain requirements should look into trezor/ledger 22:41:26 I'm trying to make a touchscreen device for casual users who do 1) do not want to store it on the exchange 2) want a good user-experience 3) want to prevent storing private keys on the devices they daily drive 22:42:57 As for hardware, I am using http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontrollers/details/Orange-Pi-Zero-2W.html 22:43:16 and a nice 5" matte (non-reflective) display 22:44:23 its meant to always be on, so you can put it somewhere in the home and display a cool dashboard with tickers or whatever 22:45:55 ill be 3D printing some case 22:56:16 granted more of a hobby project for myself but if people have e.g raspberry pi lying around it could be cool for them 22:57:07 might also build in bitcoin support while I am at it