01:35:21 Join us TMR at 11AM-EDT/5PM-CET to talk about Monero Nodo progress with Abdullah! and more @: https://monero.town/post/1345966 04:38:31 https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/9083 04:38:35 what do i reply to this lol 04:46:29 <123bob123:matrix.org> replay 04:46:29 <123bob123:matrix.org> " #FE " 04:46:43 <123bob123:matrix.org> reply 04:46:43 <123bob123:matrix.org> " #FE " 04:47:19 <123bob123:matrix.org> or "thats nice" 05:08:44 Selsta - dont reply :P 05:09:00 Watch this little magic trick lolol 06:04:17 <0xfffc:matrix.org> I labeled it wontfix 06:11:24 +1 06:11:39 Close 06:12:01 If they want to debate, they can dm me or something 06:12:27 <123bob123:matrix.org> put your contact details there 06:14:17 The supply is now capped at infinity and will half every 4 years, thank you the suggestion, closing as completed 06:15:20 https://yewtu.be/watch?v=sRwSqM0YBto maybe they want a video 06:18:47 Done 06:19:08 Also, have they never heard of WOWNEROOO 06:20:00 <0xfffc:matrix.org> I think I should close that issue and no further comments. 12:08:15 don't we already have a capped supply https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/src/cryptonote_config.h#L54 ? 12:08:15 will be reached in ~10¹⁴ years if my math isn't too far off 13:14:44 It's already reached 13:14:54 Wait, no 13:15:00 It will be reached summer 2024 13:18:41 o_O 14:38:20 i hear a new version of feather has been released 👀 14:40:53 (c)(tm) 14:54:43 how do i pronounce guix? cus i did a guix for feather yesterday, its like gitian for monero but it worked first time 14:54:52 geeks 14:55:40 so not goo-eee-EX , ok lol 14:56:49 I like gwiks 14:57:14 Monero GUI is Monero Goo-EEE right??? 14:57:23 that's how I say it 14:57:28 yes haha 14:57:32 loll 14:57:36 fucking terrible name btw most people don't know what the fuck a GUI is 14:58:55 Should name it "wallet of vitalik" 14:59:09 won't matter when we finally make feather the official =P 15:00:42 is it meeting time? https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/934#issuecomment-1847323570 part 3 15:00:53 greetings! 15:01:01 hi 15:01:15 hey dude 15:02:07 Please apply to the MAGIC Monero Fund to get funding for your projects to improve Monero: https://monerofund.org/apply . We're lonely over here 🥲 15:02:26 Hello 15:03:36 right, this was kind of impromptu .. with luigis proposal only a few days ago to temporarily kick start the CCS 15:04:02 https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/935#issuecomment-1841052378 15:04:18 what do we think about it? can feather wallet be used for offline transactions? 15:04:40 We dont know what is used for GF 15:04:45 Who cares 15:04:59 Yolo, lets get merging.. 15:05:12 hi 15:05:38 afaik we don't know "how" it got hacked 15:05:49 GF2 balance is somewhere around 11k xmr now , im not sure exactly but its not far off 15:06:19 on a cake wallet somewhere, maybe (im joking. Bf isnt crazy) 15:06:32 we don't know how it got hacked, but i know that the only machine/wallet that didnt get hacked was luigis windows one, that only he had access to 15:06:36 Luigi is very helpful, but I naturally wouldn't put him back into escrow position 15:06:36 But who else? 15:07:04 Voldemort 15:07:22 Just say "luigi has the money" and not worry about who actually does 15:07:53 Let the hacker go hack the decoy wallet 15:08:16 That isn't a bit odd that no one knows? 15:09:00 Most people still have no idea how general fund is managed 15:09:23 If I were soley in charge of that much money I wouldn't want to dfescribe how I stored it either 15:09:28 Transparency is nice, when it can be secure 15:09:47 luigis proposal only has support (with some suggestions for tweaks) so its time to get merging after luigi1111 creates an offline wallet. will featherwallet version 2.6.0 help him with offline tx's? 15:10:06 Can make merge queue now 15:10:13 when tobtoht closes his eyes he see's QR codes (so many hours he's been starring at them) 15:10:19 yes, so new Feather Wallet release is out: https://monero.town/post/1349592 15:10:24 Why feather wallet? 15:10:33 Why feather wallet? (instead of gui or cli) 15:10:33 airgapped signing with animated QR code, generate additional seed entropy from dice rolls, plugin system, receive tab improvements and fixes 15:10:55 Ah ok, I didn't see this 15:10:55 Community news! 15:11:11 Imo it will but as much as I love tobt he's basically the sole dev on feather so like, would be good to have more eyes on the project in general if we're going to be using it like this 15:11:33 can't disagree with that 15:11:48 That is what I think. Also, "official" monero fund, not using "official" monero wallet. Feather wallet is still really cool 15:11:49 make a few more aliases for decentralisation 15:12:10 recanman I can think of a fix for that :D 15:12:14 new official wallet wet 15:12:18 wen* 15:12:35 Would like to raise the complaint that thotbot got angry at me in private because of a picture I posted here yesterday: https://i.imgur.com/eocCabq.png here is a pic of feather running on a $15 computer 15:12:45 He does not like me mentioning Feather, even though it is indeed running Feather on a 15$ SBC - as it may confuse people in thinking this project is related to Feather desktop. 15:12:47 Why feather? 15:12:53 I think thotbot needs to check his ego, it is FOSS software, I forked the project (that I once started may I remind him) and made it run on a low-powered device, and already made it clear 1 week ago I would not release under that name. 15:12:54 luigis plan is to be the sole escrow holder of ccs funds for 3~ months 15:12:57 Publicly stating this so people know he takes himself too serious. 15:13:01 feather will support multisig UI/UX first 15:13:41 tobtoht: how are you generating + adding entropy from dice rolls? some library or did you write this? 15:13:59 i wrote this 15:14:19 see you in intellectual property court dsc_ ! 15:14:20 What if he get hit by an Airbus? 15:14:49 could i get a link to the file? 15:14:49 yes, one sec 15:14:57 > Publicly stating this so people know he takes himself too serious. 15:14:57 Tobtoht needs a snickers 15:14:58 been a long months 15:15:49 Feather desktop is a work in progress thing from dsc_ (is this the bespoke OS/thing to run on a specific hardware?) 15:15:52 Whether peoplenare confused or not.. we arent big enough to care. All newcomers are welcome 15:16:00 If we're doing this then I will say that I saw when dsc_ posted that picture and him saying this was feather running actually confused me because... what 15:16:03 Just call it "wallet of satoshi v2" 15:16:22 plowsof: I forked it and replaced the GUI code with something that would work for a touchscreen 15:16:26 I don't know, this shit seems dumb, I've only ever seen tob be super chill, and what you are doing rn dsc does not seem chill 15:16:53 hinto: https://github.com/feather-wallet/feather/blob/master/src/dialog/SeedDiceDialog.cpp#L105 15:16:55 Lyza, dsc and tobby have a personal relationship 15:17:00 sounds awesome dsc_ 15:17:01 So its "deeper" than that 15:17:23 that's what I'm saying, it seems likle they have personal disagreements that aren't really relevant here 15:17:24 Basically, we shouldnt get in the middle of this brotherly spat 15:17:33 so Idk why dsc is bringing it up like it matters 15:17:34 can we fund a ccs to force teamwork? 15:17:34 We love both of you 15:17:34 Slap slap 15:17:58 Dont worry. 15:18:37 Lyza: I'm bringing it up because I feel wrongfully accused of doing something wrong 15:18:37 dsc is the original creator of the featherwallet 15:18:50 maybe dsc would feel better if we used wowlet? 15:18:56 Tob is doing great work on feather, that is out of the question 15:19:05 Anyway 15:19:05 - new feather released 🥳 15:19:06 - dsc forked feather and changrd ui for $15 sbc support 🥳 15:19:06 - cake / monerocom polyseed support 🥳 15:19:07 - mysu polyseed support 🥳 15:19:12 > dsc is the original creator of the featherwallet 15:19:12 Good to know 15:19:30 we co-created 15:19:37 If the license was fine and tobtoht forked it, then I do not see a problem 15:19:40 Oh 15:19:56 procreated 15:20:22 There's a joke there somewhere 15:20:23 you were "accused" in private from what you said, why make it publioc in a damn meeting 15:20:41 "I CARRIED IT FOR 9 MONTHS!" 15:20:41 "YA, BUT ITS MY SPERM, AND I NOURISHED YOU" 15:20:57 to let people know he is a over-protective drama queen and needs his ego checked 15:20:59 I just don't see the issue 15:21:22 you are the one starting drama though, how do you not see that 15:21:25 This years monerokon will be WILD 15:21:30 whole meeting has been derailed over your personal grievance 15:21:42 so you can "ego check" somebody, get real my dude\ 15:21:51 dsc Vs tobby 15:21:51 ofrnalts vs geonic 15:21:51 pP vs their ceo as a special attraction 15:21:56 Can we discuss what OS should be used instead. Everyone has a different idea 15:22:03 yes thank you luigi 15:22:07 just go with debian 15:22:10 Luigi 15:22:12 is there a write up somewhere of Feather desktop(c)(tm)s features/goals? 15:22:17 Hyc and others told you on the thread 15:22:22 OS for new CCS? 15:22:23 Debian / Ubuntu is my vote, good mix of security and widespread use and supported by Monero 15:22:27 not qubes 15:22:27 use debian or bsd 15:22:30 OS for the offline laptop 15:22:51 Dont use ububtu. 15:22:58 what does hintos guide suggest (luigi1111 do yo ufeel confident enough to attack the laptop with a screwdriver to remove the wifi chip?) 15:23:01 If you use ubuntu I will laugh 15:23:05 we do the official builds on Ubuntu 15:23:06 crazy talk 15:23:07 Don't 15:23:17 so using Ubuntu in some way minimizes attack surface 15:23:23 building and running on same OS 15:23:25 Lyza, we do them on 18.04 15:23:32 fair point 15:23:38 maybe we should move up 15:24:00 https://www.parabola.nu/ with openrc 15:24:08 Probably should switch to debian for our builds 15:24:13 Jump on folks! 11am est live. We got Abdullah giving us the update on MoneroNodo.com reporting From China where he traveled to finalize Nodo production! As always all are welcome to jump on stage to give us your weekly Monero takes: 15:24:13 https://x.com/monerotopia/status/1733199082330497112?s=46&t=WeY1AyuT6Ir1FNBKKq_Beg 15:24:39 switching to debian seems more work but Idk that's above my paygrade so to speak 15:24:54 If migrating commands are an issue, it is pretty simple 15:24:55 Someone suggested Debian minimal I think 15:25:08 Debian Minimal ships with no GUI but yeah 15:25:34 Oh great 15:25:36 For the offline laptop, you need to use an operating system with very low attack surface: 15:25:36 Alpine linux with hardened kernel or parabola gnu/linux-libre with openrc 15:25:38 Ok, luigi this is cringe 15:26:21 Please stop lol. Ill ask plowsof, hyc or similar to send instructions 15:26:32 You'll need to go through a specific process for kernel hardening 15:26:32 This has some good stuff, but there should be more: https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/guides/linux-hardening.html 15:26:38 Lel they all have different ideas 15:26:48 hand holding out in public lol 🥶 15:27:11 Y'all it's an offline machine, the protection is the encryption, you can't count on it to be actually secure from a local attacker if running 15:27:19 Its not rocket science 15:27:30 full disk encryption ye,, and its never going to be updated so it doesnt matter 15:27:31 and its not a billion dollars 15:27:33 Then why are the talk 15:27:51 But everyday we DONT merge, the balance will be higher 15:28:01 You should use libreboot and anti-tampering measures in order to minimize physical attack surface 15:28:16 libreboot will allow for encrypted /boot and grub password 15:28:30 5$ wrench , anyway 15:28:45 minimal de.. deihen? +1 great idea 15:28:49 $5 wrenches dont work on decoys 15:29:09 You can use multiple luks keyslots 15:29:25 tobtoht: (kinda offtopic at this point lol) the mapping of dice rolls <-> entropy is each die number concatted as a string, e.g `1626`, then system entropy appended on-top of that? 15:30:01 You could also use dm-crypt directly, but that is harder 15:30:43 we need luigi1111 to try out the setup first, if its viable as is written in the proposal, then go ahead with it + debian minimal , sane 15:30:49 hinto: yes, with a space in between rolls, and then ran through pbkdf2 15:31:16 im crying. 29more mins ofrn, just 29 more mins 15:31:28 Ok next topic 15:31:31 Just do it 15:31:55 ok 15:32:17 full-disk-encryption is useless without /boot encrypted IMO 15:32:17 There should be a separate discussion on this 15:32:44 community highlights. 15:32:44 i mentioned during the noise but polyseed wallet support has been rolled out be a few wallets and we have good support now 15:32:59 Any good explanation of polyseed? 15:33:10 Feather first 15:33:10 anonero 15:33:10 cake / monerocom 15:33:11 mysu 15:33:17 https://github.com/tevador/polyseed 15:33:22 Has a good explanation in readme 15:33:49 Did you reply to yourself 👀 15:34:14 I did 15:34:17 "Due dilligence" 15:34:21 if/when luigis new wallet/setup is finished, the CCS will have a working wallet, and need things on the funding required page 15:34:23 one thing I've been wondering about the recent donation, is if Moonstone Research or anyone would be interested in doing some research into it. There's a non-zero chance it could be connected to the transactions that have been pointed out by Moonstone's research on the hack 15:34:32 that was fast 15:34:33 if you need a device that can authenticate itself to the user: https://osresearch.net/ I think this is overkill if luigi only custodies the funds for the next ~3 months 15:34:36 Looked it up right after asking 15:34:39 Was first result 15:34:45 debian + disk encryption + transfer over official binaries 15:35:03 For that, they need to be in a merge queue 15:35:04 +1 tobtoht 15:35:10 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests 15:35:56 #1 the PG 15:35:59 ajs_ is perhaps going to wait a bit to see how the first initial proposals are put forward / funded 15:36:12 Generalfund can cover them this time 15:36:19 Has to include /boot or useless 15:36:19 Align payload to a number and use separate device for storing LUKS header 15:36:19