04:45:24 <selsta> sooo CCS is soon™ back?
05:23:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> For christmassss
08:15:59 <m-relay> <a​js_:matrix.org> Update on MoneroKon: crowdfunding campaign to form a nonprofit ends on New Years: https://funding.monerokon.com
08:16:34 <m-relay> <a​js_:matrix.org> We've raised enough to pay for immediate expenses.. big thank you to all donors!
08:16:56 <m-relay> <a​js_:matrix.org> any unraised amount by the deadline will be rolled into general operation costs of MoneroKon 2024
09:43:17 <plowsof> It would let us see if n1oc hasn't given up on checking the funding required page 
09:54:36 <plowsof> I asked the outreach/social media department for a catchy title and after some brainstorming they offered "Do they know it's CCS'mas time again?" 
10:19:40 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> https://4rkal.eu.org/posts/coldstorage/
10:20:00 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> https://4rkal.eu.org/posts/feathernero/
10:20:15 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> Feather X Anonero
10:20:46 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> Complete guide on how to use featherwallet with anonero for cold storage. Using only animated QR codes!
10:31:35 <plowsof> Nice 4rkal, Thanks! The joys when projects decide on a UR standard for transferring monero tx data. A useful guide .. one day the MoneroSeedSigner will be compatible 
10:54:07 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Soon™️
16:14:00 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> would 0.001 xmr be enough to subsidise 3 months of ccs tx fees?
16:19:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont think so. Consolidations if the donations probably cost more
16:20:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Of*
16:23:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Maybe .004 is ~300 donations and 27 payouts
16:23:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> If
16:24:05 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i was thinking about flexing on BTC with a test milestone for x transactions
16:24:17 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> as milestone 1 for this test ccs proposal... or
16:25:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> .004 is only 71c for 27 transactions
16:31:15 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> suspiciously close to 69 cents
16:44:59 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> open for suggestions / corrections https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/427
16:45:16 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> e.g. maybe the details of the new wallet setup are incorrect luigi1111
16:51:10 <nioCat> CCS fundraiser for 0.004 xmr  :D
16:52:53 <luigi1111> Yeah 0.004 too low prob
16:53:32 <nioCat> when are proposals being moved to funding required?
16:53:32 <luigi1111> Make it 0.069
16:53:42 <luigi1111> Waiting on confirmation of backend change 
16:53:49 <nioCat> thx
16:54:15 <plowsof> sounds perfect , will do . "feed the devs" sound track for this proposal  https://yewtu.be/watch?v=j3fSknbR7Y4 
16:57:52 <plowsof> amounts fixed  luigi1111
16:59:24 <plowsof> details pending review 
18:24:27 <DataHoarder> bridge is restarting in a few minutes to add Townforge channels
18:49:04 <roberta> Hi, i have lost all my saved money to FTX jews around 20000 dollars.
18:49:05 <roberta> Please help me live. Please help me.
18:49:05 <roberta> BTC :   bc1q9vfmfwj6av9pxj50r6xyl652mwhqvw5ds86nw2
18:49:06 <roberta> xmr: 44QNNugXXCWUcUGi7UGsRM4pqnKKmn4zYjcZT3BnNHWBWyXRoe4mfLwT5L67kGyTLu76c1hmPV7QKZESP9w7bQ7m8Y1VUgx
19:50:13 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cleanup in aisle everychat
19:52:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Did FTX even list monero? .. wheres telegrambot admin when you need to mass delete stuff
19:53:05 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> non
19:53:58 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> So this person didnt even lose any xmr
19:54:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Just 20k worth of gambling
19:54:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> (im playing devils advocate)
19:59:25 <DataHoarder> they posted it all over libera.chat, they just took most of large channels
19:59:37 <DataHoarder> including official channels
19:59:52 <DataHoarder> under different nicks
22:40:04 <m-relay> <j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> is using pools a bad idea?
22:42:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Define bad :D lol
22:42:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Large pools > definitely bad
22:45:07 <m-relay> <j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> ?
22:45:31 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> The msgs were deleted. A spammer
22:48:10 <m-relay> <j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> is it possible to mine without a pool?
22:48:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yea
22:49:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> you can 
22:49:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> solo or p2pool
22:49:34 <m-relay> <j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> are big pools a problem?
22:49:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Easy p2pool setup see: GUPAX
22:49:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes
22:50:02 <m-relay> <j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> are they an immediate threat to monero?
22:50:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 69% of the top 2 pools
22:50:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> on*
22:51:28 <m-relay> <j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> is monero fucked?
22:51:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> no
22:51:47 <m-relay> <j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> why not?
22:52:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Because were not fighting back yet
22:53:00 <m-relay> <j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> ?
22:53:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Adding too much hr to any any pool (to balance it out), lowera profitability
22:53:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> So normal folks will actually stop mining and its counterproductive
22:54:06 <m-relay> <j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> ahh
22:57:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I would like to see "good actor" pools split their pools up and limit their max hash
22:59:25 <m-relay> <j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> well the issue seems to fix itself
22:59:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> in theory
23:00:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> for redundancy :P 
23:00:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> it be nice if supportxmr @ 25%  "autoswitching you to our other pool, supportxmr 2"
23:00:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> At that point we'd be trusting support to actually split the pools, instead of trusting miners to not use a pool to try to 51%
23:02:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> If 30% of nanos miners move to support, support will have 50%. Support could probably limit that on their end if they wanted to
23:03:34 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> We need to build a better x5
23:04:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Call it "x5 pro"
23:39:37 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> But if the same entity controls them, it makes no difference
23:40:30 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> The point is that different people control different pools
23:42:28 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> Large pools already have a "distributed" infrastructure - can't put all that load on a single node, plus they want multiple nodes across the world to ensure low ping for all their miners