00:09:57 It didnt finish 🤔 00:11:14 Still have a bunch to merge 00:12:12 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/421 00:12:12 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/420 00:12:13 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/416 00:12:13 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/403 00:13:24 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> tldr 00:22:57 ofrn is eagerly waiting to donate 00:26:32 I hope binance funds 403 00:26:53 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> *404 00:26:53 They dont need the xmr 00:47:37 > tldr 00:47:37 Jeffro, v1d/xmr.ru, erc, FCMP 01:06:54 How is this different from oxen 01:09:54 some lad donated 105 w0w 01:18:28 Luigi1111w 01:18:44 403 01:19:05 And the others, but 403 preferably at the top 01:19:53 421 420 416 403 01:21:36 > some lad donated 105 w0w 01:21:36 I hope that was GF 01:21:45 Selsta is supposed to be jetfunded 01:28:28 we can donate wow? 01:28:57 no wow only w0w 01:29:02 what does at the top mean 01:29:22 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> First 01:29:36 The most recent one shows at the top? 01:30:15 selsta part-time monero development (3 months) is now fully funded! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-11.html @luigi1111 01:30:19 I think it's by date 01:30:23 Yeah. So merge FCMP last 01:30:38 w0w that was fast 01:30:47 Ah yeah 01:30:53 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Priorities 01:31:23 Well if its by date, order doesnt matter 01:31:23 2/3 milestones from jet fund(xmr): 01:31:24 selsta(70.. too late), jeffro(94), dangerousfreedom(42.6), plowsof(46), erc(34) 01:31:24 regular merges: 01:31:25 FCMP, xmr.ru, observer(merged) 01:31:35 Binaryfate ping 01:31:44 no by date on the prop 01:31:47 not date of merge 01:32:17 ok well I should read the rest before replying 01:33:29 some of them have outdated prices and should be updated 01:33:48 Hshahaha 01:33:57 No they shouldnt 01:34:04 They asked for x amount of xmr, months ago 01:34:14 Pay the people 01:34:17 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Price per proposal 01:34:36 please update price to $350 01:34:46 that 400k didnt get returned so you could be a cheap ass and undercut the requested xmr 01:35:03 What nioc said ^. Agreed 01:35:26 Those people have been working for 2 months already 01:35:53 what if the price was lower instead? 01:36:18 Did they stop working? 01:36:22 and not all have been working for 2 months 01:36:27 When they had 0 assurances? 01:36:36 some of them had assurances 01:36:47 I opened the CCS like 2 months ago and price difference is less than 5$ 01:36:50 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Plowsof was on AL 01:36:52 not you selsta 01:37:14 Hes talking about jeffro 01:37:19 oh ok 01:38:25 jeffro and erc 01:38:27 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Wasnt he doing multi sig stuff? When santa left with the slay fund? 01:39:07 I dont even like erc 01:39:10 Pay the man 01:40:25 I don't care, just being consistent 01:40:34 just be happy im not saying "GF should fund fcmp" 01:40:55 Yeah im comsistent 01:41:16 If price goes down after youre merges and you decide to fuck off, i dont like you 01:41:33 Omg! Ofrn doesn't like someone! 01:41:45 If price goes up or down, if its delisted from binance or adopted bt us government 01:42:27 None of it changes the requested amount of xmr agreed upon amount of xmr 01:44:26 Requestes and* agreed upon 01:52:50 If price goes down after youre merges and you decide to fuck off, i dont like you <= yeah but it's pre merge. I understand it's a bit different situation for the ones that started work in advance tho 01:53:25 36c3 was paid out no? At 3x its requested dollar rate 01:53:48 Its not premerge. It woukd have been merged within 2 weeks of it being posted 01:53:50 (Jeffro) 01:53:58 that has nothing to do with this situation 01:54:20 jeffro started work so he could be excluded from the clause theoretically 01:55:02 Is erc making movies that dont feature monero? 01:55:16 Or is he working on getmonero.org, pretty much alone? 01:55:23 Monero-site* 01:55:37 hinto hinto jeffro256 ErC vostoemisio kayabanerve 01:55:53 Why are you pinging the whoke fkn room holt shit 01:56:08 we have meetings 01:56:20 Do we!? Since when!? 01:56:21 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Meta meeting? 01:56:23 Hinto was there, kaya was there, jeffro isnt the subject 01:56:33 vost isnt a subject atm 01:56:41 Not right now! 01:56:52 Don't you say! 01:56:58 Were not discussing CCS that arent in the merge list 01:57:10 Were playing catchup from the last meeting 01:57:23 luigi do you like playing catchup? 01:57:37 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> You didnt ping plowsof 01:57:43 Who is plowsof? 01:57:53 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Head of scam 01:57:55 ok merged jeffro. If others have started work prior I'll merge them too. Otherwise discuss Saturday. Is there a meeting Sat? 01:58:24 We discussed on the orior saturday 01:58:42 Next meeting is hinto, vost, and anything new 01:59:25 FCMP .....x 02:00:16 I don't see a next meeting listed on meta 02:00:21 jeffro256 full-time development 2023Q4 has moved to funding! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/jeffro256-full-time-2023Q4.html 02:00:49 hopefully plowstuff is sleeping rn 02:01:09 She is 02:02:39 Core hasnt funded any ccs yet. Merge erc. 02:03:15 Saves 70xmr on selsta by not using the jetfund 02:04:09 "As for Monero my opinion is that we infinite down and move to full membership proofs, to remove any illusions of traceability. The sooner we do this the better." - articmine 02:04:19 Luigi like "yawn, maybe next year" 02:04:25 Ridiculous 02:04:33 "yawn, lets see if i can haggle a lower price" 02:04:41 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> A little bird told me posting meetings in meta is messy 02:04:46 You just LOST 400k!! 02:05:02 wow ofrn being mad about a movie when he could think about FULL MEMBERSHIP PROOFS 02:05:09 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> It will return with interest 02:05:29 it did already 02:05:50 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Again 02:06:51 Luigi, trolling is expensive 02:06:58 Merge FCMP 02:08:10 Id like to have some progress before we all (except you) die of old age or starvation 02:11:08 🎉 02:13:13 holee sheeit, a retroactive one moved to funding required! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/kayabaNerve-fcmp-retroactive.html 02:14:25 amazing work, community, now fund it 02:15:00 what community? it's just you and dozens of alts. 02:16:32 I do enjoy yelling at mysefl 02:20:21 Retroactive funding for work on full-chain membership proofs has moved to funding! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/kayabaNerve-fcmp-retroactive.html 02:24:20 > amazing work, community, now fund it 02:24:21 Weirdly placed doubt 02:24:36 The biggest of the biggest fish need this 02:25:07 lets time it :D 02:25:59 Selsta probably holds the record, at like 4 seconds 😆 03:10:12 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Meeting finished ? 03:14:08 kayabanerve: congrats 03:14:13 Fully funded 03:14:40 "8 week" larping roflmao 03:15:29 took more time to yell at luigi than it did to fund 03:26:43 how is it fully funded when it is at 0 03:27:51 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/OdBFdlUIxVyIeCjGbTFYhkkd 03:28:21 lol 03:28:38 https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/kayabaNerve-fcmp-retroactive.html 03:29:16 Just got 10conf 03:31:51 that's a nice whale. 03:31:53 Raised 310 of 310 XMR 03:31:58 1 contributors 03:36:26 is n1oc sleeping? 03:40:15 Retroactive funding for work on full-chain membership proofs is now fully funded! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/kayabaNerve-fcmp-retroactive.html @luigi1111 03:40:51 sorry to disturb you 03:45:48 Luigi1111w 03:45:48 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/420 03:45:48 merge.. 03:51:06 Dec 9 voted merge 03:51:06 dec 23 we had ANOTHER meeting, as the stuff from the 9th was dealt with and just pending wallet and merges 04:01:02 420 needs special care 04:01:56 Retro funding money laundering? Hmm 04:04:16 Special care? Sarcasm? 04:05:31 dont jet fund it, just merge 04:05:37 420 is not just something you can yolo 04:06:40 🤨 04:07:02 I'm honestly wondering if youre just 420 trolling 04:07:14 If not, please explain 04:08:02 is it the ".ru" ? 04:09:57 Retro funding money laundering? 🤔 04:10:12 What does loogi know that we don't? 04:10:30 right? 04:12:32 🥳 04:29:53 If I was doing anything illicit, I wouldn't have done it when I have 3d to now pay an extra 15k to the IRS :( 04:31:24 Hmm, was in reference to another proposal, not yours. 04:39:34 Oh, sorry. Was there another "retro" proposal? 👀 04:57:17 kayabanerve: Just read past few messages, starting here. https://matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm:matrix.org/$zRmRRFtXBIeGeZ8VZjNdZadKtw8WKHkUMSgV8_Xt0a0?via=cypherstack.com&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social 04:59:15 Oh 0_o 06:31:18 Luigi1111: my ccs seems to be the only one that is not merged yet. I don't have clear why. 06:39:38 Erc - luigi acting funny 06:40:49 https://matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm:matrix.org/$6ho7Xw99aHjuB7iCxuLt-RyGaIeSfJ7k6T1OkYBKf-o?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=hackliberty.org ErC: 06:41:53 The funding of kayabanerve 's CCS looks like 2 donors wanting to make a point. 06:42:55 rbrunner7 one single 310 XMR donation funded it, the .01 came hours after the matter. Overfunding change. 06:43:49 I'd like to point out that i've been working on Monero for over 6 years now, 4 using the ccs. Now my ccs has been frozen for 2 months. Luckily i work on other projects, but if Monero would be my only source of income that would be two months of no salary 06:45:16 And now my ccs doesn't get merged and i get no word of the reason. 06:45:39 rottenwheel: Even bigger point then :) 06:46:26 Read the comments on the ccs 06:46:34 The donor spoke first 06:46:52 Erc - dont listen to luigi 06:46:55 Lol 06:47:01 Youre on the merge list 06:47:25 luigi is probably waiting for plowsof to confirm 06:48:15 luigi1111: why 420 is 'retro money laundering'? 06:48:38 ``` 06:48:38 2/3 milestones from jet fund(xmr): 06:48:39 selsta(70.. too late), jeffro(94), dangerousfreedom(42.6), plowsof(46), erc(34) 06:48:39 regular merges: 06:48:40 FCMP, xmr.ru, observer(merged) 06:48:40 ``` 06:49:12 Weirdos... 06:49:33 Weirdos with xmr* 06:51:12 Why would he need a confirmation if i'm in the merge list? 06:52:07 ofrnxmr LOIC coming online... charging. 06:52:51 I guess it's time to move away from the ccs. It's clearly not a reliable way to fund contributors. Not even long term ones apparently. 06:53:03 Because he's not up to date or who knows 06:53:21 Regardless, hold your horses 06:53:54 Its not even 24 hrs after the merges started 06:53:57 So much suffering! Unacceptable! 06:54:24 And plowsof is busy atm. Luigi is going off of my word and for some reason he wants to act like its his money 06:54:58 Having issues with merging v1d, erc, fcmp 06:55:10 But he didnt show at meeting or comment on git 06:55:59 And as you said, were 2+ months behind schedule and i dont appreciate generalfund or my jet fund being stingy 06:58:00 Anyway, the plan is to have a bunch more changes over the next 90 days 06:59:16 All of this will be in the past soon enough 07:00:22 stingy = he doesnt like the rates being old. I dont give 2 shits, as 1xmr = 1xmr 07:01:22 And we have extra money for situations such as this 07:01:44 Generalfund got a 100mrr donation recently 07:02:57 but we want to make erc lower his pay like 6% 07:03:21 Because xmr went up in the months that we werent told about the hack 07:04:22 Meanwhile, the guy trying to nickel and dime the 6%, and call foul on money laundering, just lost 400k and didnt report it stolen 07:04:37 Sometime i wonder if there is more than 1 luigi 07:05:38 All i want from christmas from luigi 07:06:24 Is for him to use less of his own judgement 07:10:48 KISS. Let us do our job 07:23:54 Another update regarding IRC bridging and message filtering https://irc.gammaspectra.live/df487825f6f60441/IMG_3908.jpeg 07:30:46 Ty DH 08:33:32 good morning, thank you luigi1111 for restoring peace to -community and restarting the CCS 08:34:10 lets read the backlog and then set up the ccs2 overfunding wallet watcher 08:43:13 plowsof: any reason why my ccs was not merged with the others in the backlog 08:54:48 reading the comments ErC , updating price was mentioned if you have not continued working. you made comments saying that you where stopping work while you waited for the ccs to fix itself. otherwise we need a meeting 08:55:36 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> hmm 08:55:40 Did you include my ccs when you sent the list t oluigi? 08:56:02 i have not sent any list 08:56:06 that sound like bullshit tbh 08:59:27 where is the comment saying that the price should be updated if i don't start working? i don't see it. I also would like a clarification on why would i be expected to start working before my ccs is even merged. That's a new one... 09:04:02 could also say that jeffro had some assurance of retro funding while being in the "protected group" seraphis/core devs 09:07:50 Well, sounds like a lot of bullshit going on. I don't know the reason my ccs has been singled out and the reasons provided until now (beside the complete silence from core) are nonsense. I've been working on Monero through the ccs for many years now and at the same terms. i'm dealing with no salary for two months, after 2 years of no salary for working for fucking free on Haveno. 09:07:50 I'm not going to accept this. If my ccs is not merged or rejected today, i'm done. 09:09:32 luigi1111 ^ if you'd care let me know something that would be appreciated. 09:11:32 i understand your feelings here. alot of contributors are in the same position. v1do for example has been around for years and has their ccs delayed for long periods and then is quickly funded (even had a "laundering" comment thrown in for good measure - this was a joke/referring to an old comment someone else made) 09:12:16 this can all be fixed with some _more_ patience 09:12:58 i said what i had to say. Not listening to this bullshit 09:14:17 "a lot of contributors are in the same position" <- luckily this is not true, but if it was it would be even worse 09:20:57 rates have been adjusted since the beginning of the CCS (if price had fallen by 50% , you'd be 2 months without donations 09:22:09 if someone states they are downing tools, 09:26:04 are you telling me that the reason for not merging my ccs is the price rate? Because if that's the case, for many years until now luigi let me know personally or on the merge request if the price needed to be adjusted. Beside, non of the merge requests that got merged have changed their rate or have any comment about changing rate. They still got merged anyway... 09:26:30 so, that sounds like more bullshit to me 09:26:52 i don't know, im reading the same backlog as everyone else and luigi is probably asleep 09:27:26 jeffro and erc where mentioned in the price adjustment comment, but then jeffro was excluded as he continued work / posted a milestone 09:28:28 were mentioned where? 09:29:00 you keep saying "where mentioned" but i don't see anything on the merge request 09:29:46 sorry, comments here 09:29:49 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20231229#c316778 09:30:34 continues "jeffro and erc" then jeffro excluded .. then a "wen meeting" 09:33:47 midipoet is there a monero-meta meeting scheduled tomorrow , seems like we need an adhoc ccs meeting 09:37:08 Am i reading right? Is my ccs not merged because i haven't started working anyway? With my ccs not merged and not funded? luigi1111 is that really the case? Did you expect people to already start working to get funded? 09:37:27 jesus christ what happened to this project 09:38:30 anyway. I said what i had to say, i'm not dealing with this bullshit anymore. 09:38:45 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> so you want funds upfront? 09:39:18 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> pretty sure ofrn wanted to merge 09:39:20 no 09:58:04 what are you going to do instead? 09:59:25 Just the latest announcement, OKEX exchange will be removed from the privacy coin trading pairs on January 5, XMR, ZEC, DASH, what do you think? 09:59:55 nobody cares 10:02:37 Considering closing my ccs and instead provide people a way to donate to myself directly, at the same terms of the ccs. If people value my work they'll donate, otherwise they won't and i'll move on 10:03:40 We are concerned about this information. What do you think? Worried about its value 10:04:07 about the value of OKX? 10:04:15 i dont know what that is and I dont care 10:04:19 some shitcoin casino 10:04:23 i guess 10:05:03 that is a good idea. 10:06:18 What I care about is if all these exchanges take XMR off the shelves, where is Monroe going to trade? 10:06:48 if you are worried just sell 10:06:49 Sorry if i understood all wrong but wasnt the only Problem that the xmr price in your proposal is still at 140€? 10:06:50 I'm not sure why you didn't get clear communications tho. 10:07:20 Just pull off the exchange and never use a cex again 10:07:41 Only p2p platforms or dex's 10:07:53 I just wanted to see what you guys thought about the exchange taking Monroe off the market? I'm a big fan of the Monroe technique 10:08:03 againL 10:08:07 nobody cares 10:08:16 again: 10:08:26 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Stops the suppression if they remove it 10:08:33 Generally i see it as a good thing because it makes monero less available for gamblers 10:08:53 And no exchanges can inflate with paper moneros 10:09:18 but to be realistic: the price will be lower most likely 10:09:24 but I dont know 10:09:27 nobody knows 10:09:53 price talk go to r/xmrtrader 10:10:00 i think there is a matrix channel too 10:10:26 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Monero market? 10:13:39 I don't really know, what i know is that i won't rely on a system run this way 10:15:18 because looks like if i would have started to work without my ccs being merged now would have been merged with the others. 10:15:26 which is absurd 10:15:47 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> This is the website one yeah? 10:15:53 Do you know judecoin? I've also been stocking up on judecoin, the underlying technology for Monero 10:16:32 https://github.com/judecoin 10:17:02 I'd like to hear what you think 10:24:41 Take out all copyright notes from Monero in the source files and put a single line with "Copyright (c) 2014-2023, The Jude Project" there? And make it somehow that all earlier commits from Monero devs seem to come from a Judecoin dev? Seriously? **Seriously**? 10:28:01 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> This has come up before? 10:28:35 Not that I know of. 10:30:22 Homepage says it's CryptoNote, does not mention Monero: https://www.judecoin.io/ 10:34:16 Wtf 10:35:00 plowsof: not that i know of 10:36:44 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> I remember something like this before 10:42:26 Har har ... blocks 1 to 330,000 and maybe a little later all have a fixed block reward of 120 coins. The latest block now has 2.24. https://www.judeblock.com/block/330000 10:42:43 Now that is what I call a creative coin issue. 10:45:54 lol the website is a copy of getmonero with changed colours and some other small changes 10:46:12 Why is ofrnxmr sending the merge list to Luigi? 10:46:24 plowsof ^ 10:47:46 nice judencoin ... maybe call it shekel instead 10:48:01 (DISCLAIMER FOR TOTAL RETARDS: DONT BUY THIS ) 10:48:04 a: Do continue to "stock up". Tell us later how it went :) 10:48:07 MOST LIKELY A SCAM 10:48:12 ban this guy 10:48:19 he can shill his shit somewhere else 10:49:43 I really wonder whether this blockchain really is running since 2021 already or whether the dates are faked: https://www.judeblock.com/block/1 10:49:56 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Judascoin* 10:50:21 @a: By the way, *how* do you load up? Where do you buy this gem? 10:50:35 a: By the way, _how_ do you load up? Where do you buy this gem? 10:52:01 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Dunno why people do that here 10:57:26 midipoet the merge list i assume is what has been voted for merging in the meetings, i can't control what people do / who they talk to. i was sleeping on the job while this was all happening 10:57:53 my best guess is that luigi is slightly behind on goings on as he's been dealing with other things and just needs a refresher 10:58:35 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Imagine there was a platform which could track this 😉 11:01:14 Which cake pay debit card works with the Apple App Store? 11:01:44 i would have thought the proper process would be for you, plowof, to send luigi the merge list. Perhaps i am wrong though. 11:03:06 why would you be wrong midipoet, you are entirely correct 11:03:50 i hand over the publicly agreed upon proposals for merge 11:04:04 ofrnxmr please apologise 11:07:37 I was wondering the same thing... 11:08:31 Do better! 11:17:22 luigi1111, ErC proposal was brought up twice here: 11:17:22 28th Oct https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20231028#c294078 11:17:23 9th Dec https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20231209#c312233 11:17:23 erc clarifies the reason for the downvote from moneroguides https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20231209#c312334 11:20:34 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Would be nice that these people with proposals appear in meetings 11:20:38 vostoemisio / xenu are you both alive for https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/412 11:22:40 Anyone used Cake Pay debit cards for Apple App Store? 11:26:13 IMO luigi is simply 'behind' on goings on. merged the +10's / core/seraphis / regular renewals and then said "hm" on the +5 updoots / wants to merge in order / dared to suggest consistency reg price and give contributors some kind of reward for willing to starve to death work through uncertain times 11:26:50 and asked for a meeting to clarify everyones thoughts 11:32:05 Should I merge as is? 11:36:06 don't merge mine 11:38:59 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/416#note_23112 11:39:22 v1do is ready, not sure on the "core monero concepts" teams availability 11:40:34 erc: why don't you want yours merged? 11:41:42 midipoet: i closed my ccs and posted a comment https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/416#note_23112 11:44:21 erc: fair enough, i thought your original stance was by close of today. I agree, the price adjustments discussion was not consistent (at all). 11:45:23 just another social experiment 11:45:33 initially yes, but when all that absurd stuff came up i decided i don't want to deal with it 11:46:06 it's very sad for me, but i won't rely for my living on such chaotic mess 11:46:39 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Money saved 11:47:00 and luigi1111 after so many years of work together wit the ccs, translations etc, i would have appreciated one word from you, instead of complete silence. 11:47:29 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Well 11:47:44 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> It been like that with other stuff 11:48:48 i've been relying on this system for years ffs, i would expect at least a word if my 10000th proposal is delayed for some reason 11:49:27 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> It was delayed cause no answer in meetings? 11:50:35 it was 5 seconds from merge after luigi was linked to the specific times your proposal was mentioned ErC 11:50:58 totally 11:52:34 You are missing the point. I guessed that was the situation, that's why i asked to not merge it. The reasons were bullshit and i'm not trusting this system anymore. Thanks for the effort, but it's not needed. 11:54:02 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> So your going to maintain getmonero? Without ccs 11:55:22 no. i'm going to provide a way to fund me directly at the same terms as the ccs. 11:58:38 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Why isnt core maintaining it anyway 11:58:56 Ok thats good you will continue we have more options for self funding now 12:00:07 It was delayed because of the ccs. There was nothing to say. Now that the ccs is up again it should be updated to reflect current prices. 12:05:25 "Now that the ccs is up again it should be updated to reflect current prices." <- that's something to say and still doesn't explain why only mine needed the price to be adjusted but the others got merged anyway. The only answer for now seems to be that i should have started to work already, which is absurd. There was a lot to say it seems. 12:07:03 and btw just to be clear, if i would have asked to change the price for getting it merged i would have obviously done it, as i did countless times before (despite having the lowest rate around and having gotten fucked by price changes so many times, but hey ,that's the deal) 12:07:34 anyway, done it's done. 12:08:43 sgp: vikxmr ? 12:14:22 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Was gonna say your price is 10 euros lower then currently 12:14:40 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Without 10% tolerance too 12:22:06 yeah, that's why all this is nonsense iand 'm not going to deal with it. 12:23:05 But keep babbling and whining about for another day or three! 12:47:36 localmonero.co/statistics for real price :d 12:49:52 > It was delayed because of the ccs. There was nothing to say. Now that the ccs is up again it should be updated to reflect current prices. 12:49:52 I disagree 12:50:40 If i knew you were going toncut ny rates 12:51:14 My say fk u a long time ago 12:51:20 My god, i cant type 12:51:27 I'd say* 12:51:42 plowsof: knows exactly what i sent you 12:52:02 And its not as complete as what we voted on 12:52:10 Jetfund 2/3 milestones is supposed to be 3/3 12:52:45 No need to joke btw. Aren't you paid to make sure these kind of things don't happen? 12:53:01 he was sleeping erc 12:53:34 is that a joke? 12:53:41 As far as luigi's veto goes - idc about it. Its invalid and in bad faith 12:53:45 No 12:53:54 He was literallt sleeping during the merges 12:54:17 If i didnt ping luigi, we'd still have the vast majority not nerfed 12:54:19 Merged 12:54:22 Is the merges the problem? he didn't even know if i was in the lsit or not and said you gave the list. He seemed as confused as me 12:54:51 The merges are the problem. 12:54:57 He didn't pay attn to the list 12:55:12 PG > full ccs funded out of jet fund 12:55:12 - selsts 12:55:13 - jeffro 12:55:13 - erc* (maybe regular) 12:55:14 - plowsof 12:55:14 - dangerousfreedom 12:55:15 - bp++ update 12:55:15 regular ccs merge: 12:55:16 - kaya 12:55:16 - v1d 12:55:17 - Observer 12:55:17 close 12:55:18 - Self hosted 12:55:18 - form nonorofit monerokon 12:55:19 discuss the rest 12:55:33 The list voted on from dec 9 ^ 12:55:51 lol why am i in the "maybe regular" list? 12:56:03 yeah, why am I in the maybe regular list? 12:56:09 Do you know who I am, OFRNXMR? 12:56:14 Never was it discussed that there were any issues or changes necessary to any of the ccs on that list 12:57:01 right. I'm even more confused than before. Clearly better that things went this way 12:57:05 That top list is to be backpaid for work completed during the time off. 12:57:05 someone said something about an issue (later clarified) . The rates were never a discussion 12:57:11 Jeffro is at 141 as well. 12:59:18 ``` 12:59:19 2/3 milestones from jet fund(xmr): 12:59:19 selsta(70.. too late), jeffro(94), dangerousfreedom(42.6), plowsof(46), erc(34) 12:59:20 regular merges: 12:59:20 FCMP, xmr.ru, observer(merged) 12:59:21 ``` 12:59:21 updated list (no asterisk) 12:59:49 Hey, at least you didnt get accused of being a money laundering operation like v1d 🧐 13:00:48 https://matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm:matrix.org/$zRmRRFtXBIeGeZ8VZjNdZadKtw8WKHkUMSgV8_Xt0a0?via=cypherstack.com&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social 13:02:53 i'll take all this as an ongoing effort to decentralize funding by destroying the ccs. So all good. 13:06:26 So.. with yours closed - luigi1111, explain your refusal to merge v1d 13:08:13 you pay thieves, you merge scams 13:09:41 But someone with good history across multiple ccs', is all of a sudden a problem 13:10:13 When ofrnxmr makes wild accusations, ofrnxmr can back them up 14:06:21 Friendly reminder that the MAGIC Monero Fund election process is ongoing, and they have their own MoneroFund.prg platform: 14:06:21 https://magicgrants.org/Monero-Fund-2024-Election/ 14:34:48 I didn't refuse I'm out of office 15:10:54 Ok, but explain the libel 16:26:24 This might be a stupid question, but is it possible for me to prove to a third party that i was the recipient (not sender) of a transaction displayed on an XMR block explorer? 16:53:32 viewkey? 17:07:47 Well, if there is no proof yet "I control this enote", maybe there should be one? 17:13:58 Reserve Proof? AFAIK, it would reveal when you spent the output, too: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/9991/how-does-the-get-reserve-proof-command-work 17:24:47 Page 25 of https://raw.githubusercontent.com/UkoeHB/Seraphis/master/implementing_seraphis/Impl-Seraphis-0-0-2.pdf 17:25:56 For Seraphis/Jamtis has address ownership proof, enote ownership proof. Some other types of proofs. 17:26:34 You can use an InProof to prove ownership of an output 17:29:21 Hey i had one question (maybe dumb). Since my owned input is used in other transactions while I just let it sit - doesn't this have the same effect as churning it? Or in what way is churning better or worse than just relying on time and ring signatures to take care of it. 17:29:21 Also is there a simple tool to search a local blockchain instance for tx rings that use one specific input in their ring? 17:30:48 And is there an average how long it takes for an input to be used x times in other tx's or is is this too complicated / random because of the selection algo being so complex? 17:44:04 unkn8wn69: "Also is there a simple tool to search a local blockchain instance for tx rings that use one specific input in their ring?" https://github.com/pokkst/monero-decoy-scanner 17:45:22 "And is there an average how long it takes for an input to be used x times in other tx's or is is this too complicated / random because of the selection algo being so complex?" It can be done. But I don't want to do it right now. 18:14:33 Thank you! 19:16:28 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Well played sir 19:17:59 rucknium: that just seems to prove that i have X amount of XMR in my wallet, not that i received a certain output. viewkey would probably do it, but would also reveal other transactions. Was wondering if there was method for proving i own a certain output, much like what rbrunner states. 19:21:42 m​idipoet: Did you see what tobtoht said about InProof? 19:21:55 Oh no, i missed that 19:22:28 Thanks 19:25:02 Also OutProof with feather naturally 19:27:46 More info https://docs.featherwallet.org/guides/formatted-tx-proofs 19:28:30 Not yet a "universal standard" across all montero wallets 19:29:39 Is my understanding correct that the person midget sends his inProof to must also use feather tobtoht? (For now) 19:30:05 s/midget/midipoet 19:30:43 plowsof: you can also copy just the signature 19:33:23 without feather how would one verify the inProof ? 19:34:42 share the signature, address, txid with the verifier 19:34:57 verifier can use CLI, GUI or Feather to verify 19:38:17 In GUI: Advanced -> Prove/check -> Check Transaction / Reserve -> enter details. 19:40:30 thanks 19:46:33 here is a valid InProof in case it helps: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/babad1d7 20:06:32 hope to see more wallets add support for formatted proofs. great for sharing proofs over e-mail with just a single copy paste. and you can easily include arbitrary length messages with extra details if needed. 20:06:46 sometimes wish we had the equivalent of BIP for Monero for these kinds of wallet standards 20:08:25 payment request URIs would be another good candidate to formalize 20:09:39 or transaction history .csv export 20:14:17 or UR tags for outputs/key images/(unsigned) transactions 20:26:24 Someone should create a repository and write MIP-1 20:26:25 It could be you :) 20:27:31 I may contribute a proposal or two 20:28:23 let's make it happen 20:42:13 jetfund 2.0: big things have small beginnings https://github.com/plowsof/scrape_ccs_fr 21:14:16 Sigh. Paging any Monero subreddit moderator. Please check what's wrong with my post about the CCS "resuming business": https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/18txkgj/the_monero_ccs_is_open_for_donations_again_with_5/? 21:24:44 monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org: 21:25:35 approved 21:26:03 Most efficient CEO in Monero history: monerobull 21:27:18 LGTM (let get this money 🔥) 21:29:09 One correction 21:29:33 The 7th proposal, selsta's, was funded immediately as well 21:30:21 based 22:41:10 We could call them MUM (Monero Universal Method) 22:41:32 helo am the us government pleas stop trying to acquire fredom!!! 22:41:58 Hi ser 22:42:16 Would you like to buy some freedombucks? 23:16:17 silverpill: I'm writing a MIP-1 modelled after BIP-2 / PEP-1 to start off with. Will submit for review as a PR to a bare repo when a draft is ready. Need to decide where to house the repo under; `monero-ecosystem` or a perhaps a new github organization? 23:28:52 Under monero-project 23:29:02 Similar to meta and mrl 23:29:18 (imo) 23:30:12 Mrl stuff can become mip's, right 23:32:25 Scope is to be determined, but yes they could. 23:34:47 Hi ! 23:49:36 ofrnxmr: Wallet-level standards are a relatively easy fish to fry and increasingly needed. I'm not sure if there is a want/need to deviate from our current approach to protocol upgrades. Tacking on a formalization process would only slow things down it seems.