02:26:28 had someone ask tell me the issue with crypto is that you have to pay taxes on it, how does that work for Monero? 02:28:52 You are honest and declare your cryptocurrency hodling to you're master, or you don't (Be Bitcorn or monero, they probably have a box to fill in the tax form for the total amount you are holding or something like that). 02:30:47 There also view keys, if you want to expose you're wallet transactions to a third party 02:31:12 My understanding is that is the issue with the kyc centralized exchanges 02:32:02 Centralized exchange can generate tax form for you (for all your gain / losses statistics for your account in the exchange. 02:32:02 The probleme is that they can't track the monero. Nothing related to taxes imo 02:33:31 The admins want to know where to money go, and be able to follow it. 02:34:08 Some country, like say , Canada for this example, if you use any exchange and you withdraw to a new address, they ask for the name, address, etc, etc of the account owner... 02:34:18 for all available crypto 02:34:34 Some country, like say , Canada for this example, if you use any exchange and you withdraw to a new address, they ask for the name, address, etc, etc of the address owner... 02:37:05 This isn't really the way crypto was intended it is no longer anonymous and has become more about investors trading 02:38:43 It's the only way 02:38:44 Banning it directly would result in a massive outflow to privacy coins, the admins know that and don't want that so they are doing it the slow way while be sure to not produce advertising for monero. 02:48:46 Supportxmr down? 02:48:46 Cant access the side, but the pool still work... 02:48:49 Supportxmr down? 02:48:49 Cant access the site, but the pool still work... 02:50:48 works for me 02:53:10 oh yeah, it was in some malware list blocked by stupid vpn 😂 03:01:30 So #haveno:monero.social 03:08:51 Element is so horrible 03:09:14 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/bEgUedjpXdQfbZsmyWetNzyv 03:09:23 what option do you recommend? 03:12:48 I don’t have one really 03:13:37 Yeah, at times for me at least it seems heavy slow 03:15:08 The biggest issue that I see is that 1) people want everything done for them and 2) people refuse to do research and educate themselves. 03:17:09 “But but but but….. I have to exchange it for fiat at some point….” 03:17:09 — “so demand that your vendors accept crypto” 03:18:35 — “but but but but….. that’s work….” 03:18:35 “So die a slave to your fiat masters then. It’s either one or the other” 03:24:42 Thing too is that they didn't know what Monero was only bitcoin Ethereum and some meme coins so telling 03:26:30 That’s better than the reality. Most were introduced through some shitcoin that went to zero and now they think that all crypto is a scam. 05:06:59 Nah. Erc's understanding of matrix rooms is 05:07:14 Haveno room is misconfigured 05:07:43 (..always has been) meme 06:01:45 https://pastebin.com/MCKZj5pw 07:02:39 The Haveno room stopped working because the server that created it was taken down and never brought up again. The haveno infrastructure has been abandoned to itself since the moment i left. It's not maintained and most of it is offline. 07:03:47 But i'm familiar with ofrnxmr's unarrestable urge to talk out of his ass. 07:04:33 The haveno room stopped working because you never added monero.social as an alt addrrss properly 07:04:49 Nah, youre familiar with fucking up your ccs' 07:05:01 Right chief 07:07:05 My memory is not as bad as yours 07:08:30 also: all one has to do is look at the haveno room's config to see that its never been properly configured. Just like no-wallet-left-behind wasnt, and just like -site wasnt 07:09:38 Erc doesnt seem to understand that you can only add primary addresses if youre a member of the homeserver of the address. 07:09:39 so if hes not on monero.social, he cant add monero.social as a primary addy. 07:10:38 I take that for you for some reason not configuring a room properly means not adding a monero.social address. 07:10:39 which is why 07:10:39 - site was matrix.org, 07:10:40 - nwlb was haveno.nerwork 07:10:40 - haveno doesnt have a monero.social 07:11:01 You have no idea what you were talking about 07:11:19 *are sorry. Still clueless 07:11:21 Says the guy who cant configure a room 07:11:57 Are you going to reopen your ccs 07:12:15 Or did you just come to make up bullshit 07:12:24 False 07:12:53 Fact: its unreachable because it never had monero.social as a primary address 07:13:24 ..but it has it as a local addr, lolz 07:16:34 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/OxEFbyrTBJZoADsfwAXBYBWG 07:20:24 The haveno room had only an haveno.network address. The server hosting that mother server was never brought back up, that's why the room was down. If there are other addreses it's because they were added later. No idea by who and i don't care. 07:21:43 Monero.social arrived years after most of the matrix rooms were created. If people want to add it as an address they can, but there is no technical reason to do it 07:21:59 > The server hosting that mother server was never brought back up, that's why the room was down. 07:21:59 ngl that's usualy what gateway error implies 07:22:40 (HTTP 502) 07:23:03 Again, i haven't seen pr touched haveno's infrastructure in a very long time. No idea in what status if is now and as i said, it's probably unmaintained 07:23:23 https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/549#issuecomment-780197739 07:23:29 Tf ru talking about 07:23:44 If people are interested in haveno's infrastructure i suggest to ask the current maintainers 07:24:03 Haveno is maintained 07:24:25 "Infrastructure" 07:24:29 And will be releasing soon 07:24:36 Ah 07:24:40 Who cares 07:24:43 Yeah count on that 07:24:46 We want out frontend in 6 mths, scammer 07:24:48 Lolz 07:24:51 Our* 07:25:04 You oromised it in much less time 07:25:33 And raised a lot of money to put a frontend in it. 07:25:34 why the sarcasm? Did you scam us? 07:25:46 This was YOUR project, wasnt it? 07:25:57 No idea why i waste my time with this moron 07:26:54 Muted since you are allowed to spread your bullshit freely. 07:30:26 Run forest, run from the truth 07:34:21 <123bob123:matrix.org> Well there is a frontend sitting in work in progress without a booty 07:34:53 <123bob123:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/hilCCPZNLTzVCaNYzxAEIFxZ 07:37:17 I can only say the agreement we made when i left: the haveno core team would have assured that the frontend would be built. For what i know now they are focusing on getting the platform ready with the old frontend and then they will starf to build the new one. For update info you should ask to them 07:39:22 "when i left" 07:39:33 How about when you proposed the ccs 07:40:29 So please don't bother me about delays or other stuff about Haveno. According to our timeline Haveno should have been ready max last june. Ask them for info 07:41:22 I have no updated info and i haven't been part of the project for quite some time 07:41:49 woodser: this is all your fault 😠 07:41:50 jk. Its really plowsof: to blame 07:41:56 Had no ccs coordinator at the time. 07:58:51 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/uWVFAnPuTyrGrOKAkhxPYbYC 07:58:57 So i get a dm invite from erc ^ 07:59:28 hes banned me from rooms that i am not even in? (-site? What else does he admin?) 07:59:40 lol. I should have bet money on that screenshot appearing 07:59:52 should have done it long ago. 08:00:00 You left the chat pussy 08:00:34 And banned me cuz you've got some personal issue. 08:00:35 i dont even know where im banned from, coward bitch 08:00:59 still no idea why they allow you to transform every room you are in in a toxic mess. 08:01:14 Erc got fired ok 08:01:18 Have fun with your fundraisers 08:01:31 Im not "allowed" anywhere 08:02:23 To be "allowed" must mean someone is giving me permission. 08:02:24 You credit yourself for removing mooo's donation address and refusing to upload diffs. Youre malicious 08:02:45 You sold haveno backend while begging for money for frontend 08:02:47 Youre malicious 08:03:20 You stopped working when price dropped, yet cried like a bitch 2 days ago when asked to adjust your prices since price went up this time 08:03:33 and that's it. As soon as one bothers you a little, there it starts the stream of nonsense meant to personally attack somebody. You are human trash 08:03:53 Everybody KNOWS the facts bud 08:05:00 You tried to shit on diego when diego came back too. Youre a cheap ho bro. You take bribes 08:05:32 Anyway. Back on topic - where do you admin? 08:05:39 yeah please send bribes my direction 08:05:40 -site? Not for long! 08:06:03 Where else? 08:07:59 ErC: 08:08:33 Where do you have admin or moderation powers? 08:09:26 your attempts to marginalize the people you don't like have been ongoing for a very long time. If you want to pretend to have more relevance you have to step up your game. 08:10:02 No, no i dont. 08:10:42 You see. You would have your 51xmr, but you decided to tell yourself luigi has more relevance than ofrnxmr 08:10:51 Get with the times bud. 08:11:14 Monero isn't low hanging fruit anymore 08:11:22 get tested bud, you have issues 08:12:17 I stand up for you, get you on the merge list, and youve done nothing but bitch about luigis comments, close your ccs, and cry foul 08:12:49 Everybody was merged, every ccs was funded 08:13:12 You just couldnt wait a few hrs 08:14:09 ^ 08:14:17 Im still wondering why an admin/mod slid ib my dms to tell me he banned me in every room he admins 08:14:36 And wont tell me which rooms those were 08:14:38 you are a manipulative person who spend their time putting contributors one agaisnt the other and creating an unwelcoming and toxic environment to reach your personal goals. No idea why they give you those ridiculus temp ban if you come back doing the same shit over and over. 08:14:53 _everybody was merged_ 08:15:34 Your bullshit fantasies are just that - fantasies 08:16:06 Because banning me permanently means there woukd still be no merges and no wallet 😆😆 08:16:38 i purposely deleted my ccs right before it was about to get merged. You might have gotten the feeling of that when i asked luigi to not merge my ccs... 08:16:57 alright we are in full nonsese area now 08:16:57 No.. i want around 08:17:11 I went to sleep and woke up yo see you deleted it 08:17:19 wasnt* 08:17:30 I wrote the merge list 08:18:03 I forcefully tabled it at dec 9 meeting instead of talking in circles for another 2 weeks 08:18:48 I proposed the back payments and the source of those funds 08:23:19 <123bob123:matrix.org> Question was it urgent that the website needs to be updated? 08:23:32 wdym 08:26:14 <123bob123:matrix.org> The ccs 08:26:27 <123bob123:matrix.org> Closed it cause it didnt get merge 08:27:00 <123bob123:matrix.org> Sounded urgent, if couldnt wait 08:28:28 He just felt disrespected by luigi hinting at him happily accepting the appreciation in value, but being a hypocrite when price drops 08:28:39 <123bob123:matrix.org> Sounded urgent if a song and dance was made about it not being merged 08:32:14 > what is judecoin also ETA polyseed into Monero 08:32:15 Its been exactly 24 hrs << are you goin to ask soon? 08:34:49 ""Now that the ccs is up again it should be updated to reflect current prices." <- that's something to say and still doesn't explain why only mine needed the price to be adjusted but the others got merged anyway. The only answer for now seems to be that **i should have started to work already, which is absurd.** There was a lot to say it seems." 08:34:49 well, to be paid retroactively, yeah. 08:35:39 You dont get paid for _not_ working. (otherwise id be the richest human trash in around!) 08:37:14 i never asked to get paid retroactively. 08:37:55 you are brandolini's law personified: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini's_law 08:38:27 i'd like to go back to work now if i'm not forced to defend myself from bullshit claims. Can i or you haven't wasted everybody's time for long enough now? 08:38:35 You asked "why am i in the `maybe regular` group" 08:39:11 Because the non-regular group was to he paid retroactively 08:39:31 Be* 08:39:47 i didn't know what that was. That's why i asked. No idea also why i have to talk to you about this, plowsof is coordinating the ccs no? You seem to only be creating a lot of confusion 08:39:48 The PG aka the protected-group 08:40:01 We discuss here every 2 weeks 08:40:37 <123bob123:matrix.org> You would of been funded if you waited for plowsof to come alive 08:41:13 Not even. Plowsof was having fun 08:41:35 <123bob123:matrix.org> Also for anyone. If you have a proposal come to the meeting then shit like this wont take so long. 08:41:43 He knew the list, and knew i sent to luigi 08:41:58 <123bob123:matrix.org> Live Q & A 08:42:40 Well, really, erc's was never discussed 08:42:58 It was just put on the list by me, and voted on quickly 08:43:13 <123bob123:matrix.org> Ok 08:43:33 I had included 2/3 milestones of backpay, and erc opened his fat mouth and lost himself the whole ccs 08:44:34 #blameplowsof is trending now 08:45:01 <123bob123:matrix.org> Then proposer can ask “ whats the status of my proposal” 08:45:16 The status was 08:45:22 LIMBO FOR EVERYBODY 08:45:35 Then ofrnxmr msgs luigi and said WTF YA DOIN BUD? GET YA MERGIN 08:45:51 And he said "we gotta test the walletz" 08:46:05 So ofrnzmr sent the first deposit, and the second deposit, and plowsof sent the overpayment 08:47:01 <123bob123:matrix.org> Jetfund was stuck in quarantine 08:47:02 I never asked to get get backpaid, even in past when volatility was insane. If you are saying the truth (ah!), then the ccs is even more messed up than i thought. Since multiple people send lists and, plowof, the coordinator seem to have been bypassed. Anyway, sad to see what was the backbone of monero development funding decaying rapidly 08:47:03 Then we got to merging! 08:47:03 issue: he merged the wrong ccs'. 08:47:04 so i asked wth? Why arent the other 4 merged. And he said blah blah. And i said haha k, merge em. 08:47:07 There was NO bypass 08:47:19 The list was VOTED ON at the meeting 08:47:34 And CONFIRMED with plowsof BEFORE sending to luigi 08:47:48 <123bob123:matrix.org> Im a helping plowsof do a focalboard 08:48:13 "decaying" 08:48:13 i see 998xmr in donations in under 1 week 08:48:17 There are multiple versions of this apparently, depending who tells the story. Again, happy to have left this mess 08:48:38 No, there is 1 version - the one you saw live 08:48:49 <123bob123:matrix.org> Thing i dont get 08:49:13 <123bob123:matrix.org> Your going to update getmonero? 08:49:39 Dan - erc does most of the work on the website github 08:49:53 <123bob123:matrix.org> Ok 08:49:58 Has for a long time 08:53:53 did. i reduced my activity on Monero drastically when the community at large became a shitshow and now i'm also working on other projects. 08:54:04 .. still wondering what rooms i was banned in 08:54:30 monero-website (monero-site) and monero-translations. 08:55:01 <123bob123:matrix.org> Ok so not going to update 08:55:13 <123bob123:matrix.org> Need to find someone else? 08:58:38 My intention is to open private funding and keep working on website and weblate. 08:58:47 more contributors are always welcome 09:00:38 but yeah i'm not 100% dedicated to Monero like i have been for the first 3-4 years. Things were different and i was doing what i was doing for the community. This is not the same community so my enthusiasm and volume of contributions are not the same 09:12:08 I searched through the website and couldn’t figure out who the maintainers are 09:12:56 It’s possible to run it on mainnet right now? 09:13:39