01:59:58 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> Ok I’ve been away for about a year. I wasn’t around when the hack happened. What moves have been made to make sure it never happens again?
02:29:42 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Rolled back the chain
02:29:49 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Like it never happened
02:36:52 <DataHoarder> Filled it with cream as well, was pretty nice served cold
02:52:42 <luigi1112> aremor: currently offline wallet with qr code transactions. Medium term plan is improving multisig and having a reasonable signer count
04:44:52 <anna26> https://pastebin.com/MCKZj5pw
06:04:14 <Inge> random pastebin alert
06:21:37 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Lol, asking for money
06:43:48 <m-relay> <4​chanbro:matrix.org> I've lost my life savings because of (((hyperinflation))) and banks rugging us here kek
09:24:52 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> ^antisemitist simbology. Just in case this place has still mods who care a little bit
09:56:20 <nioCat> the earlier version of the post did not use symbolism but was explicit   
09:56:29 <nioCat> Libera is aware as it is site wide  
09:56:36 <nioCat> one of our community members is working on mitigation for our channels 
10:14:59 <m-relay> <4​chanbro:matrix.org> are you serious?
10:15:00 <m-relay> <4​chanbro:matrix.org> they literally bombed beirut yesterday
10:15:00 <m-relay> <4​chanbro:matrix.org> im scared shitless every day
10:15:01 <m-relay> <4​chanbro:matrix.org> and its symbology* kek
11:06:53 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Fr they bombed Beirut?
11:07:01 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Didn't see that
11:07:21 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> My country will only report on the kidnapped Jews
11:08:21 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I even saw people having propaganda ads on yt #bringthemhome
11:08:44 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> These internet fueled propaganda wars these days are crazy
11:13:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Simbology?
11:13:43 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> A building Beirut
11:13:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Like mufasa?
11:14:01 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Some Hamas person
11:14:23 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> A building in Beirut
11:14:48 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Is erc complaining about lebanon being antisemetic?
11:14:52 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Isnt that from the lion king
11:15:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Simba is too
11:15:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or about the ftx spammer 🤣
11:16:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Maybe he stillnis oblivious to the daily "ftx jews" spam
11:16:24 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Apprantly your nick cant be a country
11:16:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "i took that personally"
11:17:34 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Hakuna matata
11:18:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> LebAnon:  change your name please. Im offended
11:18:34 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hamas matamas
11:19:31 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "IsReal" is acceptable (i think.. gotta ask ErC:  )
11:31:04 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> I'm referring to the user above my comment using the ((( for "hyperinflation" a clear and known antisemite way to refer to jewish people.
11:31:09 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> So again i'm asking mods to do their jobs
11:32:53 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Thats a new one for me
11:33:16 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses
11:33:40 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> The triple parenthesis is a known antisemite symbol
11:34:58 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> So: sgp_, dEBRUYNE, nioc or whomever else shoud moderate here.
11:37:37 <dsc_> the forbidden sequence
11:38:38 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> What happen to the good old days when you just say what you mean
11:41:45 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> I ask myself what happened to the good old days when this kind of crap wasn't tolerated
11:42:30 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> It was just done in secret
11:42:41 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> And also kkk was one of the biggest organisations back then
11:43:35 <dsc_> i was not even aware about this ((())), kids these days
11:43:55 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> No. Shitty people from 4chan weren't around. We were just a bunch of people working to do something cool.
11:43:58 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> TIL
11:44:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Did you not notice that hes joking about the spam?
11:44:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> or are you just talking to hear yourself
11:44:44 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> So is 👌🏻 allowed?
11:45:10 <dsc_> no its not allowed 123bob123, please refer to the 200 page .pdf of how to properly communicate without hurting anyones feelings
11:45:25 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Tldr?
11:47:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> RTFM
11:47:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its on monerokon/meta github or smthn
11:48:37 <dsc_> (i was joking)
11:48:51 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lol free zone
11:49:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <d​sc_> (i was joking)
11:49:58 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ban
11:50:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://matrix.to/#/!qqRhJzAUfTJRpMHqIP:matrix.org/$j9vzEH0uliVuSQjcglsVERFASJCOeiy7i4oUfDBz_uI?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=tchncs.de 
11:50:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> for those unaware of where the jew comment comes from
11:51:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Which has evolved into the spam which lebanon parodied
11:51:33 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Well if they are from Lebanon ofc they would hate a jewish person.
11:51:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And tbh, is it really antisemetic if your from lebanon? I hate all men equally
11:52:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And i assume jewish people arent too embracing of folks from hamas either
11:52:36 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> They just hate all
11:52:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Does that make peter todd a warmongering dog pos? Yes
11:53:06 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Anyways
11:53:09 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Where is my multi sig!
11:53:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> If you arent fighting or involved, you should really just shutup
11:54:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Last warning:
11:54:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> LebAnon:   change your name please. Im offended
11:54:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> (jkn)
11:57:05 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> All complaints plz email hardware⊙go
12:45:55 <midipoet> The great 4chan infiltration. This explains a lot. 
12:52:50 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tf?
12:53:07 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> plowsof:  was that you?
12:53:16 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> yes
12:54:00 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> forwarded to admins for further investigation
12:54:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Investigation?
12:54:33 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> That's excessive, he didn't even use it the way that's described here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses
12:54:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> The message he posted was a copy paste of the spam, with the word jew removed
12:54:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And replaced with the parentheses
12:56:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc took this to twitter
12:56:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://twitter.com/ofrnxmr/status/1742526736720331117
12:57:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> This isnt a community issue, its kid shit
12:58:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Man is too proud to keep his ccs open, too proud to reopen one, now hes shitting on community and blaming us for his inability to wait for plowsof to wake up and confirm what the consensus was
12:59:34 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Doesnt come in this room for any reason other than to throw temper tantrums and try to cancel people
12:59:34 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> erc woke up like "fuck coffee. I need to ban someone today. That will make me feel better".. .. "ANTISEMITISM!! THREATS!!!! ITS ROTTTTEENNNNNN"
13:00:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> lebanon got caught in the crossfire like orion
13:01:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> and fwiw, ive never used 4chan
13:02:30 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> a mod seen the report and took action immediately, and its now in resolutions
13:02:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> It was right click > reported? Lol. Even funnier
13:03:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> if he had the power he would have just banned everyone and send everyone some dumbass dms
13:03:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Like how he banned me from fucking TRANSLATIONS
13:04:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> He wants to call me malicious, but hes banning me from rooms that i dont speak in 💀, because he cant ban me in the rooms where i do speak. Thats real professional
13:04:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And what did i speak about? I tried to pay him 2/3 milestones for work he didnt do
13:05:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Now its plowsof's fault (clearly) and community is a sinking ship
13:06:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> (according to erc). 
13:06:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Does nobody realize this is the first ccs merger weve had since (before?) Sept?
13:06:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Malicious is showing up during the merger to throw a fkn tantrum and then blame everybody but yourself
13:07:13 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> BS. its an echo
13:08:05 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> revoke admin rights and ban the person who was banning for being a sissy
13:09:22 <dsc_> https://twitter.com/calciferciccio/status/1742522819152364026
13:09:24 <dsc_> lold
13:10:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 🫠
13:10:15 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> "Immediately" is almost 2 hours ago, but good that somebody took care of it least that. Of course, as usual who reports shit like that get insulted and harassed by people here, as th last hour of messages in this room can show
13:10:38 <dsc_> cmon dude just take a chill pill
13:11:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Just leave the room, erc
13:11:03 <dsc_> who cares if some random IRC persona called ofrnxmr has a different opinion
13:11:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> You dont want to be on ccs anymore
13:11:14 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> the mods you pinged are asleep, and i just so happened to see it after scrolling up, i don't know how long or what timezone my laptop/matrix stamps are in but it looked to me like 40 mins later.
13:11:15 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> What a stupid take man
13:11:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <d​sc_> who cares if some random IRC persona called ofrnxmr has a different opinion
13:11:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 100
13:12:00 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> its now in resolutions for discussion #resolutions:monero.social
13:12:05 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> But at least sane people lurking in this room can see what shit one reporting antisemitism in monero channels has to go through
13:12:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Libera folks cant tune in plowsof:
13:12:21 <dsc_> you think its antisemitism because someone wrote ((()))
13:12:27 <dsc_> i think you are being a bit uptight
13:12:40 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> there was a ban for antisemtism here not so long ago
13:12:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats just erc
13:13:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Always stretching the truth
13:13:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "threatssss"
13:13:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ban
13:13:21 <dsc_> i come from a partly jew family so if anyone should be offended maybe its me
13:13:27 <dsc_> ...
13:13:32 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Qh fuck off
13:13:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> dsc, youre a jew? #dumpingmywow
13:13:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Jk
13:13:55 <dsc_> its true though..
13:14:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero doesnt see colors or races or ofac sanctions
13:14:08 <dsc_> just chill
13:14:08 <dsc_> :D
13:14:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And doesnt fund wars via inflation
13:14:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> If im abtisemetic, i dump my xmr for euros and pay taxes
13:15:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Then send aid to hamas
13:16:37 <dsc_> crypto communities have always been a dumpster fire of young annoying turbo nerds
13:16:46 <dsc_> thats why it is innovative
13:18:37 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> The Monero cmmunity was the best around before trolls from 4chan and enablers like you
13:19:06 <dsc_> yeah go fuck yourself
13:19:53 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Just take a chill pill man, isn't thag the solution? Maybe you have more of these superwise takes
13:20:05 <dsc_> maybe spend some time learning how to program instead of crying
13:20:11 <dsc_> you had how many years for that?
13:20:45 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Enabling the use of punctuation❗❗
13:20:52 <dsc_> /ignore -regexp -pattern "erc:cryptoriot.org" #monero-community
13:24:50 * plowsof wants to mention the +28xmr general fund donation today and monero observer/lovera ccs updates + https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/ 
13:25:28 <plowsof> an auto gift card redeem attempt is also in progress here https://bounties.monero.social/posts/27/3-000m-gift-wallet-on-paper 
13:26:42 <plowsof> monero observer milestone 1 + 2 + 3 updates https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/414#note_23123 
13:26:51 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> I'd really much appreciate if all the antisemites and enablers around here would do this.
13:27:12 <plowsof> loveras november update https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/406#note_23131 
13:27:33 <plowsof> now back to fighting, sorry 
13:28:09 <dsc_> this guy calling me an antisemite enabler
13:28:15 <dsc_> also my regex doesnt work, fail
13:28:49 <DataHoarder> can someone post a pastebin link, like the spam does? without anything else in it
13:29:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Stop fudding, plowsof. Ccs doesnt work
13:29:37 <dsc_> https://pastebin.com/B9q8hx5K
13:30:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats what i see on matrix 👍
13:30:17 <DataHoarder> I removed it with <probably PasteBin spam>
13:30:27 <DataHoarder> but seems Matrix dropped it as tags
13:30:32 <plowsof> a paste bin dot com? https://paste.debian.net/1302909/
13:30:37 <dsc_> is the bot active in dev channels? maybe people use it there
13:30:55 <DataHoarder> I could not limit it based on user, sadly
13:31:07 <DataHoarder> it targets only messages that ONLY contain the link
13:31:13 <DataHoarder> and only to pastebin.com
13:31:23 <plowsof> here are my important error logs which i need help with thank you in advance https://pastebin.com/w9KwAhLf
13:31:46 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> you know whats funny: this whole insinuating talk about "le evil people" in ze community that "WE" should "speak out against"  is the same exclusionary speech pattern
13:31:56 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> its literally an echo of the same thing
13:32:07 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> its an (((echo)))
13:32:12 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> of the same idea
13:32:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero doesnt know what a jew is. Maybe plowsof is a jew 👀
13:32:34 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> IDEA: wanting to exclude someone or a group of people
13:32:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And thats why we always blame him
13:32:57 <DataHoarder> I looked into channel modes and libera.chat doesn't let you set such filters, well, sysops should have that power
13:33:00 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> nobody gives a fuck about labels anymore it is 2024 lol
13:33:08 <DataHoarder> one sec, restarting bridge again
13:34:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And thats just an observation. There are real antisemites around. Lebanon isnt one of them (at least not overtly)
13:34:59 <DataHoarder> should be back now, it dropped the last few messages sent on Matrix
13:35:10 <DataHoarder> test https://pastebin.com/w9KwAhLf
13:35:12 <DataHoarder> https://pastebin.com/w9KwAhLf
13:35:21 <DataHoarder> that is more explicit
13:35:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://pastebin.com/w9KwAhLf
13:35:41 <DataHoarder> I don't enable it Matrix -> IRC
13:35:47 <DataHoarder> only IRC -> Matrix
13:36:06 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> (they arent using matrix - just testing what happens if sending from matrix)
13:36:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 👍👍
13:36:42 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> I dorked for "(((hyperinflation)))" and couldn't find any previous usage
13:36:47 <DataHoarder> ping me if you see other fun spam - probably at that point I'll just edit the code
13:36:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <D​ataHoarder> [probably PasteBin spam]
13:36:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> LGTM
13:37:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dorked for "(((hyperinflation)))" and couldn't find any previous usage
13:37:46 <dsc_> thats because in 1929 they did not have 4chan
13:37:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Those quotes wont protect you, siren
13:38:55 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> this whole thing can be summed up with: erc is burned out and getting erratic
13:39:08 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> and as a result he is picking quarrels and provoking trouble
13:41:22 <dsc_> was also my conclusion, in which case hope he is doing well soon :)
13:47:32 <midipoet> i wouldn't describe erc as the most erratic in here
13:49:33 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> dude, i get attacked for calling out antisemitism. Why are you even engaging with them?
13:49:46 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> we are all nazis lol
13:49:59 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> dont talk with the nazis midipoet
13:50:09 <midipoet> erc: cleaning the shit out of cuckoo clocks can be addictive 
13:50:18 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> the whole monero community is infested with nazis
13:50:27 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> hans get the flamethrower
13:50:31 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> lol
13:50:34 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> we need to cleanout the community
13:50:42 <dsc_> via CoC
13:50:44 <dsc_> :)
13:50:54 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> hans get the coc
13:51:56 <midipoet> That explains a lot. some in here probably love huge long cocs but don't want to admit it
13:52:13 <midipoet> just remember, monero is inclusive. 
13:53:26 <dsc_> wasnt it sgp who attempted to introduce a pretty long CoC?
13:53:51 <dsc_> jokes aside, this room could have been chill if we just banned that spammer and went on about our day
13:54:16 <midipoet> we can't ban anyone without committee meetings dsc
13:54:30 <midipoet> look at the coc
13:55:00 <midipoet> and even then, we have to ask to have a committee meeting at a committee meeting 
13:55:06 <dsc_> are you serious :D
13:55:15 <midipoet> and only then can we all look at the coc together 
13:55:23 <midipoet> if people show up 
13:55:33 <midipoet> Cause if they don't, nothing will get enforced 
13:55:42 <midipoet> mainly as mods are on holiday 
13:55:52 <midipoet> or they resisted the coc
13:56:26 <dsc_> this does not sound efficient
13:56:45 <midipoet> not the most efficient process, no. 
13:56:48 <midipoet> I blame the coc
13:56:56 <dsc_> is there one?
13:57:39 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> yeah, weak mods and nonsense burocracy are part of the reason why the quality here became so low
13:58:04 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> The resistance to an even basic coc tells already a lot.
13:58:21 <dsc_> what does it tell exactly?
13:58:27 <dsc_> that not everyone shares your opinions?
13:58:29 <midipoet> the peanuts have won
13:58:41 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> i disagreed with sgp about many things, but he was fully right in suggesting to add a coc and not using one was and is a mistake
13:58:57 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> grow up dsc
13:59:46 <dsc_> you only function in bubbles where everyone shares your views, got it
14:00:00 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Monero was always full of people with different opinions. That hasn't been a problem until the army of morons arrived from nowhere and started to attack anyone who wouldn't let them do whatever they wanted. and it worked
14:01:14 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> lol. i've been working in an environment full of anarchocapitalist from the very beginning and was never a problem until the last years and i hate anarco capitalism. Try again
14:01:30 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> who do you mean exactly?
14:02:13 <midipoet> dsc_: I know you're not a cocsucker, we all know your not a cocsocker, but there are good reasons why cocs exist. You have to agree?
14:02:24 <midipoet> *you're 
14:02:48 <dsc_> midipoet: no, there is a mod team who ban on a per-case basis at their discretion
14:02:55 <dsc_> or at least that's how i'd like it to be
14:03:01 <dsc_> i.e: apply common sense
14:03:07 <dsc_> no need to write it down like some bureacrat
14:03:15 <midipoet> fair enough. 
14:03:15 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> yeah it's working great. It's full of nice people around here
14:03:22 <midipoet> who exactly are the mods then?
14:03:24 <DataHoarder> CoC can be literally "there is a mod team who ban on a per-case basis at their discretion"
14:03:44 <midipoet> And can i apply to be one, as i would like to apply some common sense to this situation 
14:03:54 <midipoet> that sound ok?
14:03:55 <dsc_> yes
14:04:00 <midipoet> perfect 
14:04:20 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> i think the people that want coc take themselves too seriously
14:04:24 <dsc_> moderation is not hard...
14:04:26 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> it feels corporaty
14:04:34 <dsc_> ^
14:04:52 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> the people that want coc take themselves too seriously
14:05:35 <midipoet> i agree. I don't like cocs either, but if people generally don't know how to engage in a respectful manner to each other, then someone somewhere has to draw a line.
14:05:54 <midipoet> throwing insults around shouldn't be tolerated, imo
14:06:04 <midipoet> we aren't 12
14:06:08 <dsc_> midipoet: like calling people antisemite enablers?
14:06:36 <dsc_> who tf does this noob thinks he is
14:07:01 <DataHoarder> engaging with spam should be banned. from then on, that message is also categorized spam. and so on :)
14:07:58 <midipoet> to be honest, in this case it seemed someone took a antisemitic spam text, removed the word Jew from it (probably to avoid some filter), and replaced it with a grammatical symbol that has been known to be antisemitic. Common sense in this case would think the general sentiment was antisemitic, no?
14:08:23 <DataHoarder> yep
14:08:31 <dsc_> thats up to you to decide, to me it wasnt antisemitic, im not up-to-date with the neo-nazi lingo
14:08:32 <midipoet> (i didn't previously know the triple parenthesis thing)
14:08:35 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> no common sense is to say "take a chill pill" to the person calling out the antisemitism and then cry after they call you enabler
14:08:50 <DataHoarder> it was quite instant here, that parenthesis thing has been around for ten years or so for me noticeably
14:08:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > The resistance to an even basic coc tells already a lot. 
14:08:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Watch me trigger erc's CoC
14:09:02 <midipoet> dsc_: you did know about once you were told about it
14:09:07 <midipoet> *about it
14:09:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/qlzFzpYyXroKGgwojVReYgJG
14:09:21 <DataHoarder> used to be used as a dogwhistle 
14:09:26 <dsc_> midipoet: i dont think its antisemitic even after told
14:09:32 <dsc_> (((test)))
14:09:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> #nomoneochan
14:09:48 <dsc_> are we in an alternate reality here?
14:09:52 <midipoet> dsc_: ok then (((hate the bastards)))
14:09:57 <midipoet> How about that?
14:10:34 <dsc_> generational gap in play here
14:10:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> (((plowsof is the best)))
14:10:46 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> jesus christ. It's a lost battle. If he didn't get it until now he cannot get it or doesn't want to
14:10:48 <midipoet> (((you're just as bad as that scum)))
14:10:52 <midipoet> How about that one?
14:11:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ban midi!
14:11:07 <dsc_> erc: im not going to abide by your worldview just because you tell me
14:11:18 <dsc_> in the process you paint me as a antisemite
14:12:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> You are an antisemite, dsc. Admit it and leave  midi and erc to moderate
14:12:03 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> i couldn't care less of what your world view is, but if you are ok with antisemitism and are ok with enabling it, you are contributing in making the place unwelcoming
14:12:22 <dsc_> what do you mean with "but if you are ok with antisemitism"
14:12:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hes saying youre a nazi sympathizer
14:13:00 <dsc_> he is indeed
14:13:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Youre supposed to hate, yknow
14:13:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hate ppl that have nothing to do with you
14:14:46 <dsc_> im offended he'd insinuate that
14:14:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its like jim cramer
14:15:08 <dsc_> and he talks about making it a less welcoming place, lol
14:15:13 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> erc didnt stand with me when I tried to welcome the afghan women to the space lol
14:15:31 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> If erc says it, its the opposite. - id be flattered, as hes saying that im _not_ a nazi sympathizer
14:15:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> ErC:  do you hate brown people
14:15:59 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> I also tried to invite black lives matter and he also didnt care
14:16:04 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> yo uare ok with antisemitism because you don't understand the difference between free speech and the freedom of receiving a platform for your hate speech. So yeah, you are not a nazi, you are the guy that would have said to people "hey let them talk, they have right to free speech" when people would have protested nazis
14:16:12 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> so i take you don't get why that's bad
14:16:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Would it make you happy if i wanted to bomb hamas?
14:16:34 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> but you might inform yourself about the paradox of intollerance
14:16:35 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> and find useful info about how a welcoming community is built
14:16:38 <midipoet> must be witch hunting hour again
14:16:54 <dsc_> whatever you say erc
14:17:07 <midipoet> erc: don't give them your lunch money!
14:17:09 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> yeah he just wants to witch hunt he does not care about welcoming people
14:17:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <m​idipoet> must be witch hunting hour again
14:17:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah, we cant find the antisemite!
14:17:39 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> inform yourself a bit man, it's not as easy as saying "take a chill pill" when somebody calls out antisemitism but you might find useful info about how you are enabling antisemitists.
14:17:43 <dsc_> without your presence this room would currently be chill :)
14:18:14 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> you make a community more welcoming by saying welcome to new groups of people and inviting them
14:18:18 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> not by accusing people of stuff
14:18:27 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> it makes it worse
14:18:32 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> yeah, because now i know that for you a chill room is where antisemites are allowed to spread that shit. I'll stay around and will keep calling out stuff like this
14:18:33 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> just go and invite some jews
14:18:36 <midipoet> ofrnxmr: in case you missed it, we agreed it was probably the person that removed the word Jew and replaced it with ((())). 
14:18:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > you make a community more welcoming by saying welcome to new groups of people and inviting them
14:18:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Then rugging them and the homeservers lol
14:18:56 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> now people cannot even try to push me out by attacking my projects. No projects anymore 🙂
14:18:59 <dsc_> erc: you'll get very far by identifying everything as antisemite and racist, I'm sure!
14:19:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Reee
14:19:06 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/SmbFiJnPlXtvuwgWvkKMZvlv
14:19:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc CoC says "no monerochan"
14:19:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Good this this aint his room
14:19:41 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> ^ here is where i stop assuming good faith. Nobody is that stupid
14:19:43 <dsc_> god I hate educated people so much
14:19:48 <midipoet> ofrnxmr: stop touching the coc. He operate a hands off policy in here 
14:19:51 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> 0 is the number of jews that erc invited to the community
14:20:05 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> make this number go up
14:20:11 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> or get lost
14:21:58 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <m​idipoet> ofrnxmr: in case you missed it, we agreed it was probably the person that removed the word Jew and replaced it with ((())). 
14:21:58 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I didnt miss anything
14:22:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> it was lebanon, the user who did exactly that
14:22:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "agreed" 
14:22:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> how does one "agree" on hard facts, lolz
14:23:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> midi shitting on CoC but jist voted to add one to monero-events
14:23:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Shitting on meetings ontop of meetings, but wants to have meta meetings and limit the scope of community meetings
14:23:49 <midipoet> ofrnxmr: i know you didn't. you never do 
14:23:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> L.o.l.
14:24:51 <midipoet> ofrnxmr: i don't think i voted on the events coc (at least i don't remember voting for it)
14:42:22 <m-relay> <s​gp:magicgrants.org> I just reread all the comments here. I really need you all to work with me on making this place better, because there's no need for everything to be a drama party.
14:42:22 <m-relay> <s​gp:magicgrants.org> * The person who posted this message was an obvious spammer, and they were more likely than not to be antisemitic. No, it's not a jury conviction, but for a spammer, the likelihood is high enough. We don't need an argument about the theory of racism each time a spammer posts junk.
14:42:22 <m-relay> <s​gp:magicgrants.org> * You all need to stop insulting each other. It's very hard as a mod to know how to enforce things at times if everyone is acting like a child. Frankly, it makes me want to ban everyone who is loud and annoying so everyone else can have an actual conversation.
14:42:23 <m-relay> <s​gp:magicgrants.org> * There are a lot of active people here. Please, please, PLEASE focus your attention on helping to make this channel a better place, and not just about winning some petty argument for an off-topic discussion.
14:42:23 <m-relay> <s​gp:magicgrants.org> * We need more positivity. If someone shows up with anger, it's best to simply report, not to engage.
14:42:24 <m-relay> <s​gp:magicgrants.org> If you want this room to be a better place, you gotta help me help you.
14:42:24 <m-relay> <s​gp:magicgrants.org> Everyone here won't agree on 100% of everything, but let's please not fixate on the missing % all the time. Thank you.
14:42:40 <dsc_> midipoet: 2 years ago we had someone in #affinity-scam-that-should-not-be-named who seemed to have a issue with the (((****))), banned him after he kept goign on, no CoC needed...
14:45:16 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> ... work with me ...
14:45:38 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> You are mixing up the spammer on Libera with the matrix user, not spammer, that got rightfully banned for posting antisemite stuff
14:46:07 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> two different people.
14:47:06 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> add something like: be concise to the prompt
14:47:12 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> it is too long
14:48:28 <midipoet> dsc_: i dont think a coc is needed either. BUT other people seem to not want to agree with general respect when conversing with people, which for the most part should include not hurling direct insults, name-calling, defamation, and slander. This sort of behaviour should definitely not be tolerated. I woke up the other day to read back-logs of someone hurling insults at another person. regardless of whether "feelings" 
14:48:28 <midipoet> were hurt, it just brings the general level of conversation to the gutter. It was never tolerated before, so i am not sure why it is tolerated now. If we want to allow these sorts of practices, then fine - but this place (as sgp notes) will no longer be a relaxing, informative, monero focused place to hang out (which is always used to be). 
14:49:34 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> +1
14:51:20 <midipoet> dsc_: seriously, are we ok with this sort of tone and language? "...why do i have to wake up to people calling others "coward bitch", "cheap ho" and making accusations of "crying like a bitch" and "begging for money". Why is this tolerated? It never has been previously and SHOULDN'T ever be.". 
14:51:27 <dsc_> midipoet: yeah well, sounds nice but not realistic when (sometimes valid) complaints regarding community issues are easily labeled as defamation and slander, as I've seen happen. 
14:51:50 <dsc_> direct insults are easy, just ban
14:52:18 <midipoet> what do you mean "sometimes valid"?
14:52:22 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> but we should be mindful that some people come from a different social background
14:52:32 <midipoet> what?
14:52:34 <midipoet> we are all human
14:52:37 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> were this kind of slang is normal
14:52:45 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> like in the ghetto
14:52:51 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> its normal to talk like that
14:52:55 <midipoet> this isn't a ghetto
14:53:00 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> and maybe even homophobia is normalized
14:53:05 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> or other bad things
14:53:07 <midipoet> it's absolutely normal to change behaviour depending on context
14:53:26 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> but maybe some people cant do it
14:53:28 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> so should we ban them?
14:53:43 <midipoet> if we have asked them to change behaviour, and they dont - YES
14:53:46 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> that could also mean we exclude people from disadvantaged backgrounds
14:53:54 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> or autistic people
14:54:06 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> remember terry was also excluded
14:54:10 <midipoet> it's not exclusionary if you are making people aware of the ways in which they are being disrespectful
14:54:14 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> because he used swear words
14:54:23 <midipoet> AND they have the ability to change their tone/language
14:54:33 <midipoet> spirobel: are you a cheap ho?
14:54:43 <midipoet> you sound an awful lot like a cheap ho to me
14:54:49 <midipoet> you even look like on?
14:54:51 <midipoet> *one
14:54:52 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> so white middle class people force their social norms on everyone else?
14:55:09 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> that is the subtext of this whole code of conduct debate
14:55:12 <midipoet> spirobel: shut the fuck up you cheap ho
14:55:16 <midipoet> shut your mouth
14:55:19 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> lol
14:55:21 <midipoet> you are talking shit
14:55:29 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> nice
14:55:29 <midipoet> see?
14:55:31 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> braaaa
14:55:35 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> this feels good
14:55:38 <midipoet> not really a monero place anymore is it?
14:55:40 <dsc_> midipoet: this isnt about direct insults, everyone knows they should be banned for it, its common knowledge. If mods are not banning then I wonder what they are instead doing.
14:55:48 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> i like it
14:55:51 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> better than this fake ass polite shit
14:55:54 <midipoet> dsc_: exactly!
14:56:11 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> like look at me i am so professianl
14:56:17 <midipoet> spirobel: shut the fuck up, i am not talking to you, you cheap trash
14:56:18 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> i am better than everyone else
14:56:53 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> i like this tone
14:57:18 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> it feels more normal and inviting than this " i am such a professional person"
14:57:22 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> vibe
14:57:49 <dsc_> spirobel gets it, the language and tone differs per social-economic caste
14:57:51 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> like we are not employees of the sgp company
14:58:07 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> and this is not a fucking corporate meeting
14:58:26 <midipoet> right, so calling people cheap hoes is ok here?
14:58:34 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> the coc should allow ghetto slang
14:58:40 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> yes
14:59:11 <midipoet> and calling someone a coward bitch?
14:59:20 <midipoet> also allowed i assume?
14:59:28 <midipoet> what about cuntbag?
14:59:36 <midipoet> dsc_: that allowed ^
14:59:40 <midipoet> ?
14:59:48 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> yes
14:59:55 <dsc_> midipoet: 
14:59:55 <dsc_> <s​pirobel:monero.social> so white middle class people force their social norms on everyone else?
14:59:55 <dsc_> <s​pirobel:monero.social> that is the subtext of this whole code of conduct debate
14:59:58 <dsc_> so much this^
15:00:08 <dsc_> and no, that doesnt mean directly insulting people should be allowed
15:00:12 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> that is funny
15:00:16 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> and if someone takes it serious they should get the stick out of their ass
15:00:17 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> australians for example use cunt all the time
15:00:18 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> or fucking
15:00:21 <midipoet> dsc_: sorry what?
15:00:36 <midipoet> am i allowed direct a ghetto insult or not?
15:00:51 <dsc_> i dont care if you do
15:01:10 <dsc_> thats just me personally, but as a mod you could choose to disallow it
15:01:22 <midipoet> dsc_: you're officially a cuntbag. 
15:01:24 <dsc_> its common knowledge not to use foul language
15:01:35 <dsc_> so it wouldnt be weird to disallow it.
15:01:40 <midipoet> dsc_: sorry, now we can't use foul language?
15:01:43 <midipoet> spirobel says we can?
15:01:44 <dsc_> this is not about direct insults
15:01:46 <midipoet> make up your minds
15:02:01 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> this is beautiful
15:02:04 <Lyza> oh I stepped into a fun one it seems
15:02:31 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> foul language really depends on the country and social circle. and I am against enforcing american suburb sentiments on everyone.
15:02:38 <dsc_> exactly
15:02:46 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> monero is an international community
15:02:51 <dsc_> hence I said earlier "I hate educated people"
15:02:51 <midipoet> spirobel: so how are we gonna manage the permissions? 
15:03:11 <dsc_> its usually the educated class that impose rules on the working class
15:03:14 <dsc_> because they dont like "the tone"
15:03:30 <Lyza> I would say to me personally it's not the words you use it's how you use them, uhhh, for the most part. there's some words I'm not really trying to hear
15:03:31 <dsc_> you see this everywhere IRL
15:03:49 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> this is so true
15:04:05 <dsc_> im not educated, I come from nothing
15:04:18 <dsc_> hence I dont care 
15:04:20 <midipoet> dsc_: oh great - this means dsc_ is allowed to use ghetto language
15:04:26 <midipoet> anybody else want to throw their hat in?
15:04:41 <midipoet> is there an earning limit that allows one the permission?
15:04:49 <midipoet> maybe a parent's earning limit?
15:04:50 <dsc_> im just giving you my 2 cents, its up to the mod team to manage this room...
15:04:53 <midipoet> a postcode?
15:05:05 <midipoet> dsc_: it's obvious the mods are awol 
15:05:13 <dsc_> midipoet: apply to be one
15:05:18 <midipoet> i did already
15:05:22 <dsc_> when?
15:05:52 <midipoet> i will gladly impose my middle class expectations on the absolute gutter scum white trash cuntbags in this room
15:06:12 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> why?
15:06:21 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> why look down on blue collar so much midipoet?
15:06:29 <midipoet> why not spirobel, why the f not. it's a free world
15:06:32 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> think u are better or what?
15:06:35 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> do you have a degree?
15:06:43 <midipoet> i know i am better. YOU brough up class
15:06:57 <dsc_> he could though, the free market would decide if people stay/leave :)
15:08:01 <midipoet> spirobel: YOU decided to reference the hierarchy. not me. 
15:08:15 <midipoet> i just want people to stop being obtuse in here
15:08:18 <midipoet> thats's it
15:08:22 <midipoet> it's not that fucking hard
15:08:31 <selsta> ofrnxmr: lol this person on github getting mad that I replied without specifically tagging him
15:08:38 <midipoet> but instead people want to argue for the "right" to hurl language and insults around
15:08:55 <midipoet> as if their life will become meaningless if they can't
15:09:00 <midipoet> in a monero room of ALL PLACES!
15:09:13 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <s​elsta> ofrnxmr: lol this person on github getting mad that I replied without specifically tagging him
15:09:13 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 😁😁. Bad selsta, bad.
15:09:20 <m-relay> <s​gp:magicgrants.org> "slang" or not, if an insult is used to try to cause harm, or if it makes other people in the room uncomfortable (by reasonable evaluation, this isn't a suicide pact), then the user will be warned or banned
15:09:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> it wasnt used to cause harm
15:09:54 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> yeah its the intent that matters ... but i dont think anyone here is causing harm
15:09:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> The user in question, lebAnon
15:09:59 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> also we are on the internet lol
15:10:25 <Lyza> did someone say suicide pact?
15:10:27 <Lyza> I'm in
15:10:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ban
15:10:39 <m-relay> <s​gp:magicgrants.org> I definitely have seen many things crossing the line over the last few weeks
15:11:02 <m-relay> <s​gp:magicgrants.org> The geo/ofrn conversations for example
15:11:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> that was months ago
15:11:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> and that didnt cross any lines except for your feeling
15:12:07 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> But nit the subject anyway, unless youre trying to make it one
15:12:57 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> sgp is causing more harm by enforcing his culture on the rest of us lol
15:13:03 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> that is real harm lol
15:13:06 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ban sgp
15:13:42 <Lyza> yall just send me chat logs I'll decide what's appropriate
15:14:07 <Lyza> I think you're all silly so I'm the most unbiased
15:14:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > > <@m-relay:monero.social> <a​nna26> https://pastebin.com/MCKZj5pw
15:14:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > I've lost my life savings because of (((hyperinflation))) and banks rugging us here kek
15:14:26 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Exact quote
15:14:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lyza. Judge away
15:14:56 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> fuck that is so mean to ban him for that
15:15:03 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> like the guy is losing is last shirt
15:15:20 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> like the guy is losing his last shirt
15:15:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> he even replied to the fkn paste spam that he parodied
15:15:29 <Lyza> wait are we talking about whether it's okay to spam for donations lmao
15:15:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> No
15:15:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> The person who relied to the paste spam, wrote the latter part
15:16:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hes banned for the ((()))
15:16:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> its antisemitic
15:16:19 <Lyza> ohhhhh
15:16:28 <Lyza> that's true
15:16:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> The paste spam originally said "because of ftx jews"
15:16:42 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> honestly its just sad .... zero empathy for the life situation of lebanon
15:16:54 <m-relay> <s​gp:magicgrants.org> I suggested to plowsof to give a warning next time for that, unless there is additional context I'm missing
15:17:00 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> lol
15:17:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> He replace"jews" with "(((hyperinflation)))"
15:17:06 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> sqp is also obtuse
15:17:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> @sgp 0 additional context
15:17:20 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> "give him a warning"
15:17:21 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> like you are his daddy
15:17:22 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> damn
15:17:25 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> you wont fix us sgp
15:17:30 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> we are sewer rats
15:17:41 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> and not your colleagues in a fucking corporate meeting
15:17:45 <m-relay> <s​gp:magicgrants.org> Spirobel, what do you want? A room without mods? I don't understand
15:17:50 <Lyza> I might read the reply as intended sarcasm, like making fun of the person talking about jews, but idk, I'd agree with a warning but obvs we don't need to be getting antisemetic in here and the ((())) is a well known thing
15:17:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Though, plowsof's requests are respected
15:18:15 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> i want you to stop enforcing your culture on others.
15:18:26 <Lyza> "culture" of not being antisemetic spirobel?
15:18:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lyza, weve been spammed daily with ftx jew spam
15:19:42 <m-relay> <s​gp:magicgrants.org> It was a joke in poor taste and should probably have been a warning
15:19:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont see any antisemitism, just a playful comment _intentionally_ taken out of context by erc
15:19:56 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> midipoet you got your answer. Keep the insulting up for a couple more months and then you might get a warning
15:20:18 <m-relay> <s​gp:magicgrants.org> ErC: you're not acting in good faith either
15:20:19 <Lyza> okay yeah like I said I can read the comment as being intended as sarcasm, don't disagree with that
15:20:34 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> right now no. I'm making fun of this policy
15:32:55 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> erc should apologize to lebanon for banning him
15:33:03 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> and show some compassion for his life situation
15:33:24 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> there is 0 proof that what he said is antisemitic
15:33:52 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> and also the number of jews that erc invited to the monero community is still 0
15:34:09 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> there is 0 proof he actually gives a shit about being welcoming to jews
15:34:20 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:monero.social> as long as this number stays  0
15:36:37 <dsc_> <s​pirobel:monero.social> we are sewer rats <== however, the sewer rats and "the suits" need eachother to survive, they compliment eachother, even if the suits dont realise it
15:36:43 <dsc_> :)))
15:39:35 <midipoet> dsc_: i am gonna set you to ignore, as you're a cuntbag
15:41:56 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> Thank you
15:41:58 <m-relay> <s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> wait there are dramas in this channel ?
15:43:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> idk. Calling someone a cunt is ok
15:43:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> but ((())) isnt
15:44:58 <sech1> "but ((())) isnt" sad LISP programmer noises somewhere
15:49:18 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> hey you cheap LISP programmers
15:49:58 <plowsof> Warning for joke in poor taste / resolved?  
15:50:25 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> wow you don't like LISP enough to give me a warning?
15:50:52 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> I only write C/Go no worries
15:51:07 <dsc_> midipoet: insults not allowed...
15:51:49 <nioCat> Scrollback engaged 
15:51:56 <midipoet> dsc_: i wasn't insulting you, i was making a statement 
15:52:19 <midipoet> (ie. it wasn't meant to harm)
15:52:20 <dsc_> you're free to ignore me, such is IRC :)
15:52:46 <midipoet> dsc_: cuntbags everywhere these days, can't ignore everyone. 
15:53:29 <dsc_> i dont see an issue, we probably have different standards and life philosophy.. anyway back to programming
15:53:31 <dsc_> you guys are a time sink
15:54:08 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> dsc_: what are you coding now?
15:54:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> wownero for cake rn
15:54:26 <midipoet> ofrnxmr: I'll have you know, there is a big difference between a cunt and a cuntbag. If you were from my part of the hood you'd know this. 
15:54:51 <dsc_> siren: doing some cake wallet dev today, but also working on my Monero hw wallet project
15:54:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> LMFAO midipoet educating us on the hood
15:55:08 <midipoet> you, for the record, are a sham cuntbag (again not an insult, just a statement)
15:55:26 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cunt and cuntbag are hood slang? TIL
15:55:30 <plowsof> In ireland a cuntbag is a polite greeting 
15:55:38 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> dsc_: where can I learn more about the hw wallet project?
15:55:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sham is too 🤣
15:55:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tell me youve NEVER interacted with ANYone from ANY hood without saying it so obviously
15:56:13 <dsc_> siren: tbh I dont think this hw wallet will be very popular because if there is one audience who is skeptical of introducing random "smart gadgets" inside their home, its the Monero community haha
15:56:29 <midipoet> plowsof: no. That's incorrect. Offering a cuntbag a cup of tea is a polite greeting. If you're deep in the ghetto it's a tesco value cuntbag of tea. 
15:56:41 <dsc_> siren: i dont have much media/info to share right now, other than hw specs
15:57:08 <dsc_> it has a nice matte touchscreen and a kickass UI ... :)
15:57:25 <midipoet> ofrnxmr: i am the original ghetto nigga. didn't you know this, my brudda?
15:57:51 <plowsof> Lol
15:58:15 <midipoet> bludz in the room to the IRC 
15:58:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Is midi black?
15:58:31 <midipoet> biatch you who calling pooface?
15:58:56 <dsc_> fyi I would not appreciate that language here
15:58:57 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> dsc_: I had a weird dream about some weird smart card thingy that would transmit spend key or something to the atm
15:59:02 <dsc_> not that anyone cares about my opinion :P
15:59:04 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> hard to explain I probably sound retarded now
15:59:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <m​idipoet> ofrnxmr: i am the original ghetto nigga. didn't you know this, my brudda?
15:59:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Those of you whove met midi, is midi black?
15:59:43 <dsc_> siren: the point of my device is that you need physical (touch) access in order to send out transactions, so the private keys are always on the device
15:59:52 <dsc_> but its not handheld
15:59:58 <midipoet> dsc_: oh i see. There IS A LINE!
16:00:07 <midipoet> Well thank you for that
16:00:09 <dsc_> midipoet: ofc
16:00:10 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> oh, then it's a dealbreaker for my weird dream
16:00:19 <dsc_> siren: :D
16:00:42 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> I was thinking what if a hw wallet/card could transmit keys on demand like that, like a yubikey with touch sensor
16:00:58 <dsc_> yeah someone should make that
16:01:07 <dsc_> im too stupid to design my own PCB
16:01:09 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> needs symmetric encryption with a pin or something at least
16:01:27 <dsc_> you'd need secure storage on the chip
16:01:32 <dsc_> its hard to implement probably
16:01:45 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> touch to transmit your pre encrypted key, then decrypt it on the ATM to use it
16:01:58 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> risky operation that requires lots of trust
16:02:32 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> yeah the hw wallet should create the tx probably i dunno
16:02:45 <dsc_> even if you design something like that, you'd need to manufacture it too
16:02:55 <dsc_> and the enclosure too with CAD software
16:03:06 <dsc_> its not trivial
16:03:17 <dsc_> but it is possible ^^
16:03:33 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> i can make the enclosure but the PCB :D
16:03:47 <dsc_> I have a 3D printer and know my way around SolidWorks
16:04:08 <dsc_> bought some ABS and ASA filament for the case
16:04:17 <dsc_> anyway
16:04:20 <dsc_> its a shitty project
16:04:41 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> ABS is so brittle :(
16:04:47 <dsc_> i need the heat resistance
16:04:57 <dsc_> CPU is 60C idle
16:05:02 <dsc_> touchscreen also emits heat
16:05:11 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> damn
16:05:11 <dsc_> PLA will just warp
16:05:24 <dsc_> another option is injection molding
16:05:26 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> how big is it approximately?
16:05:26 <dsc_> but $$$
16:05:32 <dsc_> 5"
16:05:35 <dsc_> 800x480 screen
16:06:14 <dsc_> (full color space)
16:06:40 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> you should show it here probably maybe it's not so shitty after all
16:06:56 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> sounds interesting I mean
16:07:15 <dsc_> i call it shitty because I also built-in a weather forecast app, stock tickers, HomeAssistant plugin, etc.
16:07:36 <dsc_> and I would assume most Monero people dont like bloated devices 
16:07:40 <dsc_> (rightfuly so)
16:07:54 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> uhhh HomeAssistant plugin for that sounds useful
16:08:06 <dsc_> yeah, so you can mount the device on a wall
16:08:15 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> I know you're trying to make a point, but please move on to not making this point anymore, thanks
16:08:29 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> weather forecast dunno lol :D useful if you live in north EU and it's suddenly -36C
16:09:04 <dsc_> I could release a Monero only version
16:09:19 <dsc_> niche audience though..
16:09:22 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> what else does it support?
16:09:41 <dsc_> i was contemplating bitcoin support but it feels dirty
16:10:24 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> Is it somewhat easy to make it plugin-based, so check the box to add btc, or uncheck to not add it
16:11:44 <dsc_> https://a.uguu.se/EoKMKyOa.png
16:11:52 <dsc_> yeah sgp, something like that
16:13:35 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> looks very clean
16:16:24 <dsc_> its fluid, 30fps, with fancy animations
16:17:43 <dsc_> the board itself (in the lower part of the picture) is only 20 USD
16:18:39 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> is it android?
16:19:17 <dsc_> nah, customized ubuntu-server 
16:19:32 <dsc_> it does some funky things to systemd to make it boot fast
16:19:53 <dsc_> it uses a virtual framebuffer to directly output to the screen without the need for a desktop environment
16:19:57 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> I mean what do you use for that UI?
16:20:05 <dsc_> its Qt
16:20:07 <dsc_> C++
16:20:46 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> suggest bringing it to next monerokon
16:20:56 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> looks cool
16:21:09 <dsc_> thanks
16:21:47 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> you can probably have a stand or share one with someone
17:31:17 <nioCat> !tip dsc_ $$$
19:06:11 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> does anyone here have any idea who these guys are?
19:06:12 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> https://swaps.org/
19:12:08 <plowsof> Open source?
19:13:28 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> maybe?
19:13:41 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> theres no github on the website
19:13:48 <plowsof> Says enough?
19:14:14 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah but its still interesting whenever someone makes claims like these
19:15:38 <plowsof> Might be interested in neveko, a beta was released https://bounties.monero.social/posts/45/7-012m-plug-and-play-monero-marketplace-on-i2p
20:07:37 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> lmao
20:07:37 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> the people in their telegram called me a thief for asking for source code
20:14:26 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Thats weird
20:26:40 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> How come plowsof isnt admin or mod here? But is in other monero.social rooms?
20:27:12 <m-relay> <p​olar9669:matrix.org> They agreed it’s a closed source project 😅
20:27:51 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> there was a chain split - depending on which version of reality you exist in , i am a mod here, the other version of reality is stuck in the year circa 2017~
20:28:10 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> jup
20:28:10 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> insane people in that telegram
20:28:17 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Telescam
20:30:02 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Dumb
20:30:30 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> And you have a person that has chainanal company as admin and mod???????
20:30:51 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Conflict of interest much
20:35:50 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> my chainsplit comment is about a glitch with this room (others see it with old profile pics displaying, or an old admin list)
20:36:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof test delete this msg from your acct
20:38:00 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i can't here (laptop)
20:38:04 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Hiddenservices
20:38:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> So your account doesnt have ops 👀?
20:38:51 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> It would be on account not device
20:38:58 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> but can with banhammer* maybe my ops where removed (twice) and given banhammer instead, i don't know
20:39:34 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Sounds like your getting fired
20:39:48 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Removing permission without telling you
20:40:31 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> im in shutter island
20:40:35 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Sounds like there isnt consistancy across monero rooms
20:40:37 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Which banhammer is the correct one? Both?
20:40:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Theres a monero.social and a matrix.org banhammer
20:40:56 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Except admins
20:41:10 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Probably social
20:41:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero  doesnt have the matrix.org one
20:41:43 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> There would be a bot room where you issue commands
20:41:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> If its unneeded, remove its mod powers. (Is that even a real banhammer? Lol)
20:41:55 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Across all or specific rooms
20:42:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> The opposite
20:42:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> It doesnt have monero.social banhammer *
20:42:21 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Probably bot account
20:42:44 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Only need one account
20:45:16 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/RLNEKFfjXDpEeEfsEbzCdUER
20:45:22 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> the  matrix admin list i see
20:45:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> yeah, banhammerMonero, what is that
20:47:04 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Normally there is a bot room for commands issue and that bot has a list of protected rooms. That bot user is mod in those rooms.
20:47:17 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> So only need one bot user
21:24:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://nitter.net/0x655321/status/1742529035626770863 erc getting roasted
21:24:42 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> social media for you
21:25:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> chowbungaman:  got dragged into it too 😂
21:25:12 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> when you think your in the right and get a reality check you not
21:25:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> who's malicious ???
21:25:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> (monerotopia)
21:25:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "i called out @monerotopia for inviting a declared antisemite to their conference and i'm still being harassed to this day because of it."
21:26:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "Now, it's clear to me that Monero going downhill is not something that can be stopped anymore ... It's time to accept that the boat is sinking."
21:27:30 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> so community and the coin is mutually exclusive?
21:28:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "The post has finallt been moderated and the user banned. To the next time, in the meantime, as expected, i get attacked everywhere. Leaving all the attacks and insults under my posts, so that people can see what a nice bunch of people the Monero community became"
21:28:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> ErC:  sorry to tell you, but lebanon is unbanned
21:28:31 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> cause someone didnt get there way they whinge on twatter
21:28:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc does this everytime
21:28:45 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> softcock
21:28:52 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> well
21:29:08 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> thats what a drama queen does
21:29:16 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> throw enough mud something will stick
21:30:32 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> sad world we live in
21:31:47 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> on the plus side we get free advertisement
21:33:31 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah. Erc needs to step down as admin of every room he admins
21:33:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And obviously not moderate, as he himself stepped away because he cant handle monerochan
21:34:06 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> It's interesting that this link doesn't show all the replies...
21:34:06 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> Just some of them.
21:34:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Every monero-* room
21:34:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> He blocked me. Look for his tweets abour diego and stack wallet
21:34:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> About how we shouldnt trust diego
21:35:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Who's malicious??
21:35:11 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> No, I'm reading the real tweet. And quite a few replies aren't shown on the nitter link, which I found interesting
21:35:25 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> looking
21:35:32 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> sounds like a malicious person towards monero
21:35:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> not sure if because of blocked, but my nitter link doesnt show his message because he blocked me
21:36:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://nitter.net/ofrnxmr/status/1742526736720331117
21:36:59 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> probably shouldn't doing monero community stuff
21:37:06 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> be*
21:37:44 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> Honestly, I kind of am inclined to side with ErC on this one. Plenty of people say absolutely ghastly shit and then when called out on it, try to be like, "Oh, I was joking. It's funny, right?"
21:38:13 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> That said... oh lord the Haveno thing...
21:38:55 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> also closing ccs because he did get merged before starving devs
21:39:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lebanon is a casual community member
21:39:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc comes here once a year to shit on everybody and ban opposition
21:39:34 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And or rug a ccs
21:39:40 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> Fair. I haven't been around since... well, I used to mod #monero-pools on IRC, before Freenode went to shit. Actually... I'm the reason the channel exists lol
21:39:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> While selling the backend
21:39:43 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> people come here cause of authoritarianism and not to be policed
21:40:24 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> Doesn't matter if people like policing or not, if you have 11 people and one Nazi at a dinner, and none of them tell the Nazi to leave, you have 12 Nazis.
21:40:32 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> Not saying he *is* one
21:40:34 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Anyway. Wolf, do you agree with erc banning me in 2 differnet rooms (-site and -translations) for things done/said in this room?
21:40:42 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> but just saying, there's people that you just don't wanna be around
21:40:45 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> Nope
21:40:59 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> guilty by association officer
21:41:07 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> You goddamned right. If you support genocide, you're complicit.
21:41:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> He sent me a dm telling me that he banned me in every room that he admins.
21:41:23 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> damn. That's... excessive
21:41:30 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> maybe they a friends with the nazi and not believe in his ideas?
21:41:34 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Then cried foul when i shared it in public. And inquired about what rooms those are
21:42:06 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/gEzqowYqXIAfyKiYhBRUUonp
21:42:18 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> so no yellow or red card? before ban
21:42:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Shadowbanned
21:43:22 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> It's not exactly an odd concept. In the US Constitution, anyone who provides "aid/comfort" to an enemy is committing treason, for example.
21:43:22 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> Whether or not you support murder of an entire group for no reason, if you are "friends" with someone who is, you are implicitly saying "I am okay with this." You might not *agree*, but you're okay with people being murdered because you don't wanna think about it.
21:43:54 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> going off that, you in  monero
21:44:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 100000
21:44:07 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> soooo guilty as charged ser
21:44:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Idgaf if youre taliban, russian, ukrainian, nirth korean, jewish, polish, or plowsof
21:44:27 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> I like XMR. I use it. That doesn't mean I personally have friends who are shitbags. :P
21:44:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> You all suck
21:44:39 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> That's a valid stance lol
21:44:59 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> cuntbag enablers , the lot of you
21:45:00 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> Americans, too
21:45:03 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> doesnt matter you use it so you guilty by associating with it
21:45:20 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> wolf9466: lol
21:45:24 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> Incorrect. If that was the case, owning a dog would make you guilty cause Hitler did
21:45:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Seriously. Fk those cuntbags
21:45:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cant even build a wall
21:45:53 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> wut
21:45:57 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> now its getting stupid
21:46:01 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> If you personally associate with those people and call them friends - sure, you're implicitly saying you're okay with their views. If you use USD and so does a mass murderer, that doesn't make you approving of mass murder.
21:46:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> bombing my kids - lebanon
21:46:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Supporting me enemies - a lot of countries 
21:46:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> stealing from me - citizens
21:46:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Look here ok. My personal views on the world have nothing to do with monero
21:46:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> A great example is hyc
21:47:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Politically, a lot of monero folk have disagrees with his views
21:47:06 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> so why do they want to band privacy coins then ? cause terrorist use it? wut percentage is that
21:47:14 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> so why do they want to bad privacy coins then ? cause terrorist use it? wut percentage is that
21:47:24 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> stereotyping
21:47:31 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> But NOBODY doubt hyc, as his code does not contain his political bias
21:47:32 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> so why do they want to ban privacy coins then ? cause terrorist use it? wut percentage is that
21:47:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> We are monero
21:47:38 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> hyc is fucking insane, last I checked, and it has nothing to do with his politics
21:47:49 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> one uses it, then guilty by association
21:48:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "insane"
21:48:59 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> One uses USD. Then you are guilty of every crime the Fed commits
21:49:07 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> reminds me of kayne west
21:49:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Calling someone insane for their views, is the SAME as sympathizing with nazis
21:49:13 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> ^
21:49:13 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> Lying about being part of NASA, lying about being some kind of hero
21:49:28 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> Correct. USING XMR does not provide "aid/comfort" to anyone
21:49:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> He's a part of monero
21:49:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fk basa
21:49:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nasa
21:49:53 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> going in circles
21:49:59 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> It's the fact he's an open, blatant liar who will double down on his lies the moment that he gets challenged. That really someone you wanna trust?
21:50:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> does his code lie?
21:50:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Does hyc ban people on matrix/irc based on those views?
21:50:49 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> craig wright does and people still follow him
21:50:50 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> Nope, which is why I don't say "throw out his code", he's a liar and you should throw out his *opinions*
21:51:01 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> well
21:51:05 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> ignore it
21:51:13 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Who said anyone listens to them?
21:51:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Which is exactly my poibt
21:51:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont give a fuck how insane you are
21:51:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero.
21:51:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Do you monero?
21:51:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> If you monero, i dont care who's on the other side of the wallet
21:52:09 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> Does this answer your question? https://forum.getmonero.org/7/open-tasks/2400/open-source-amd-miner-by-wolf0
21:52:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I wasnt asking _you_
21:52:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I making a point that your personal views dont matter AT ALL
21:52:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> If they did, we'd all hate each other
21:53:29 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> No, but being a habitual liar should. Unless you like believing lies.
21:53:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And by "your", i mean, none of ours
21:53:31 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> what am i looking for?
21:53:35 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> you have xmr?
21:53:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont talk to him about his views
21:53:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I talk to him about writing code
21:54:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> What do i care about how he fks his wife?
21:54:13 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> whats got nothing to do with me
21:55:11 <m-relay> <w​olf9466:matrix.org> if he lies to others on a regular... who's to say he won't lie to you?
21:55:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> We just had 600k in donations. Should i return it because i dont accept money from nazis or russians?
21:55:50 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> About what? The temperature outside?
21:55:58 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> code and person are two different things
21:56:40 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> like kayne the person and kayne the singer
21:57:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or like plowsof
21:57:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> You should hear him rap
21:58:30 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> pencil a meeting for this Saturday? https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/952
22:00:12 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I love ASICs
22:00:18 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> we should allow ASICs in Monero
22:00:31 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> https://www.asics.com/us/en-us/gel-kayano-30-platinum/p/ANA_1011B920-001.html
22:03:32 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> can you earn Monero with ASICs? apparently yes
22:04:11 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> yeah was meant to be the main attraction at kon last year
22:04:37 <midipoet> There is an old saying: "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." Far too many people talk about people in here. 
22:04:51 <midipoet> Surely it's better suited for off-topic
22:05:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> ^ says midipoet while talking about people
22:05:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Oh the irony
22:05:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Midipoet - the below-average mind
22:05:53 <midipoet> ah, i see. Back to the insults 
22:06:07 <midipoet> Any others while we are here?
22:06:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <m​idipoet> There is an old saying: "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." Far too many people talk about people in here. 
22:06:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> This is intended to be an insult, nerd
22:06:30 <midipoet> Surely you have some foul mouthed insults to hurl?
22:06:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im just pointing out that youre _actually_ the lowest iq in the room
22:06:59 <midipoet> oh i see. The iq one again. 
22:07:02 <midipoet> Anything else?
22:07:02 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> sounds like geonic🤔
22:07:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Shouldnt be talking about averages minds, when you cant use an onion
22:07:30 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> when is the meta issue meeting happening btw?
22:07:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> or reply function in email 🤣
22:07:48 <midipoet> i don't know, why don't you schedule it!
22:07:55 <midipoet> I tried, and was gatekept
22:08:06 <midipoet> was utterly fantastic 
22:08:13 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> wut
22:08:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Gatekept
22:08:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> midi, how much WORK have you done on meta?
22:08:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0? Ya?
22:08:30 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> you seem to have all the ideas but dont follow through?
22:08:37 <midipoet> ofrnxmr: how much work have you done, full stop?
22:08:44 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> great minds discuss ideas
22:08:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "ideas", more like "non-ideas"
22:08:58 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <m​idipoet> ofrnxmr: how much work have you done, full stop?
22:08:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Like 50% of your meta
22:09:12 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> me: dont use google
22:09:12 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> me: here is mattermost with onlyoffice
22:09:13 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> me: idea came to life
22:09:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> You have your hand up your ass
22:09:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> (dan)
22:09:52 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> "just create meta issue for meeting and "they wiil come 🙏
22:10:06 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> midi is a bad-actor sympathizer
22:10:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I think thats worse than being a nazi around here
22:10:38 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> just saying create the issue calling it a meeting
22:11:55 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> the ccs backlog is cleared, we may be able to grant permission for meta issues to be discussed
22:12:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Midi literally said they are against refunding essential code (full chain membership proofs). (midi cant even use tor). But midi wants backpay for monero-policy "work" (uses their own personal google drive to write their blogposts)
22:12:24 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> separate meeting cause  " a quick game is a good game"
22:12:55 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> the ccs community work group has performed a hostile take over of the community meetings and is stopping other work groups from rising , this needs to stop
22:13:27 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i believe we can overcome this situation, together
22:14:11 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> less shit for you to do
22:14:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```
22:14:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> <m​idipoet> ofrnxmr: yes, 20 mins (longer now) with no answer, mainly as i have two kids under the age of 3 that (unbelievably) are more important than dealing with you. In answer to your question: if FCMP is allowed to restropectively ask for funding, than ANY work conducted previously for XMR (code or no code) can also ask for retrospective funding. And yes this includes work <clipped message>
22:14:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> conducted by policy. If we were to get funded for work 
22:14:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> <m​idipoet> previously conducted, we can spend it on anything we like. Swag included. 
22:14:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```
22:14:31 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> midipoet = Dead weight
22:16:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Do i agree that retro is ok? Yes, ofc. 
22:16:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Do i agree that that retro is bad and that comparing to swag bags is in good faith? Fk no
22:16:26 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> i thought there would be a meeting discussing  current events  in policies
22:16:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> But we JUST funded that bullshit scam movie that DOESNT FEATURE MOONERO
22:17:02 <midipoet> Still waiting to hear how much work you've done ofrnxmr.
22:17:12 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> great minds think a like
22:17:27 <midipoet> I'll give you 20 mins, if you need?
22:17:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <m​idipoet> Still waiting to hear how much work you've done ofrnxmr.
22:17:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont do any work
22:17:47 <midipoet> Or are you having trouble figuring it out from under the bag of swag?
22:17:53 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> in public view
22:18:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> i answered: I did 50% of yours
22:18:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> aka, i dont do ANY work
22:18:12 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> plowsof: sounds like inciting drama ^
22:18:47 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> its like leaving a bomb and running away
22:19:19 <midipoet> > ofrnxmr: I dont do any work
22:19:19 <midipoet> And all along i thought you were dishonest. shame on me. 
22:19:34 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> see ^
22:20:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> You and your fellow parasites are the ONLY people in all of monero who would call ofrnxmr dishonest
22:20:32 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> wouldnt bother just baiting you
22:20:48 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> like geonic use too
22:20:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> if i was dishonest, id have been permbanned a loooooooooooong time ago
22:25:01 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> there is old https://github.com/monero-project/meta/pulls
22:26:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Get to work midi
22:26:07 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Go resolve em
22:36:04 <m-relay> <m​egamind1337:matrix.org> What a shitshow 😂
22:36:30 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> Anyone else get a 403 forbidden here? https://monero.observer/monero-talk-nate-eatsleepcrypto-interview/
22:36:50 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> escapethe3ra:
22:36:51 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> yeah
22:36:54 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> yeah
22:37:07 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> kyc me ?
22:43:59 <plowsof> if you want a prettier 404 page that doesnt burn your eyes please click this link https://monero.observer/monero-talk-nate-eat-sleepcrypto-interview/
22:45:07 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> missing hypen
22:45:12 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> missing hyphen
22:46:13 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> still 404's but its a real 404 now
22:47:29 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> fancy
23:01:16 <nioCat> nice community work you guys are doing in here
23:07:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> tobtoht new ccs on sat
23:12:38 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Btw the current round of funding for the ATM project is almost complete (82%)! https://atm.monero.is/donate.html
23:15:17 <plowsof> almost forgot, will add to the notes! congrats
23:18:50 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> where are the whales!!!
23:19:15 <m-relay> <p​olar9669:matrix.org> Buying corn
23:19:28 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> hmm
23:19:35 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> gofund siren's project