01:59:58 Ok I’ve been away for about a year. I wasn’t around when the hack happened. What moves have been made to make sure it never happens again? 02:29:42 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Rolled back the chain 02:29:49 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Like it never happened 02:36:52 Filled it with cream as well, was pretty nice served cold 02:52:42 aremor: currently offline wallet with qr code transactions. Medium term plan is improving multisig and having a reasonable signer count 04:44:52 https://pastebin.com/MCKZj5pw 06:04:14 random pastebin alert 06:21:37 Lol, asking for money 06:43:48 <4​chanbro:matrix.org> I've lost my life savings because of (((hyperinflation))) and banks rugging us here kek 09:24:52 ^antisemitist simbology. Just in case this place has still mods who care a little bit 09:56:20 the earlier version of the post did not use symbolism but was explicit 09:56:29 Libera is aware as it is site wide 09:56:36 one of our community members is working on mitigation for our channels 10:14:59 <4​chanbro:matrix.org> are you serious? 10:15:00 <4​chanbro:matrix.org> they literally bombed beirut yesterday 10:15:00 <4​chanbro:matrix.org> im scared shitless every day 10:15:01 <4​chanbro:matrix.org> and its symbology* kek 11:06:53 Fr they bombed Beirut? 11:07:01 Didn't see that 11:07:21 My country will only report on the kidnapped Jews 11:08:21 I even saw people having propaganda ads on yt #bringthemhome 11:08:44 These internet fueled propaganda wars these days are crazy 11:13:40 Simbology? 11:13:43 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> A building Beirut 11:13:52 Like mufasa? 11:14:01 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Some Hamas person 11:14:23 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> A building in Beirut 11:14:48 Is erc complaining about lebanon being antisemetic? 11:14:52 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Isnt that from the lion king 11:15:12 Simba is too 11:15:28 Or about the ftx spammer 🤣 11:16:12 Maybe he stillnis oblivious to the daily "ftx jews" spam 11:16:24 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Apprantly your nick cant be a country 11:16:38 "i took that personally" 11:17:34 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Hakuna matata 11:18:12 LebAnon: change your name please. Im offended 11:18:34 Hamas matamas 11:19:31 "IsReal" is acceptable (i think.. gotta ask ErC: ) 11:31:04 I'm referring to the user above my comment using the ((( for "hyperinflation" a clear and known antisemite way to refer to jewish people. 11:31:09 So again i'm asking mods to do their jobs 11:32:53 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Thats a new one for me 11:33:16 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses 11:33:40 The triple parenthesis is a known antisemite symbol 11:34:58 So: sgp_, dEBRUYNE, nioc or whomever else shoud moderate here. 11:37:37 the forbidden sequence 11:38:38 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> What happen to the good old days when you just say what you mean 11:41:45 I ask myself what happened to the good old days when this kind of crap wasn't tolerated 11:42:30 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> It was just done in secret 11:42:41 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> And also kkk was one of the biggest organisations back then 11:43:35 i was not even aware about this ((())), kids these days 11:43:55 No. Shitty people from 4chan weren't around. We were just a bunch of people working to do something cool. 11:43:58 TIL 11:44:05 Did you not notice that hes joking about the spam? 11:44:33 or are you just talking to hear yourself 11:44:44 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> So is 👌🏻 allowed? 11:45:10 no its not allowed 123bob123, please refer to the 200 page .pdf of how to properly communicate without hurting anyones feelings 11:45:25 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Tldr? 11:47:41 RTFM 11:47:49 Its on monerokon/meta github or smthn 11:48:37 (i was joking) 11:48:51 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lol free zone 11:49:57 > (i was joking) 11:49:58 Ban 11:50:44 https://matrix.to/#/!qqRhJzAUfTJRpMHqIP:matrix.org/$j9vzEH0uliVuSQjcglsVERFASJCOeiy7i4oUfDBz_uI?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=tchncs.de 11:50:44 for those unaware of where the jew comment comes from 11:51:16 Which has evolved into the spam which lebanon parodied 11:51:33 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Well if they are from Lebanon ofc they would hate a jewish person. 11:51:49 And tbh, is it really antisemetic if your from lebanon? I hate all men equally 11:52:14 And i assume jewish people arent too embracing of folks from hamas either 11:52:36 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> They just hate all 11:52:36 Does that make peter todd a warmongering dog pos? Yes 11:53:06 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Anyways 11:53:09 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Where is my multi sig! 11:53:18 If you arent fighting or involved, you should really just shutup 11:54:45 Last warning: 11:54:45 LebAnon: change your name please. Im offended 11:54:45 (jkn) 11:57:05 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> All complaints plz email hardware⊙go 12:45:55 The great 4chan infiltration. This explains a lot. 12:52:50 Tf? 12:53:07 plowsof: was that you? 12:53:16 yes 12:54:00 forwarded to admins for further investigation 12:54:21 Investigation? 12:54:33 That's excessive, he didn't even use it the way that's described here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses 12:54:42 The message he posted was a copy paste of the spam, with the word jew removed 12:54:57 And replaced with the parentheses 12:56:36 Erc took this to twitter 12:56:55 https://twitter.com/ofrnxmr/status/1742526736720331117 12:57:04 This isnt a community issue, its kid shit 12:58:25 Man is too proud to keep his ccs open, too proud to reopen one, now hes shitting on community and blaming us for his inability to wait for plowsof to wake up and confirm what the consensus was 12:59:34 Doesnt come in this room for any reason other than to throw temper tantrums and try to cancel people 12:59:34 erc woke up like "fuck coffee. I need to ban someone today. That will make me feel better".. .. "ANTISEMITISM!! THREATS!!!! ITS ROTTTTEENNNNNN" 13:00:36 lebanon got caught in the crossfire like orion 13:01:38 and fwiw, ive never used 4chan 13:02:30 a mod seen the report and took action immediately, and its now in resolutions 13:02:53 It was right click > reported? Lol. Even funnier 13:03:20 if he had the power he would have just banned everyone and send everyone some dumbass dms 13:03:30 Like how he banned me from fucking TRANSLATIONS 13:04:25 He wants to call me malicious, but hes banning me from rooms that i dont speak in 💀, because he cant ban me in the rooms where i do speak. Thats real professional 13:04:52 And what did i speak about? I tried to pay him 2/3 milestones for work he didnt do 13:05:36 Now its plowsof's fault (clearly) and community is a sinking ship 13:06:16 (according to erc). 13:06:17 Does nobody realize this is the first ccs merger weve had since (before?) Sept? 13:06:52 Malicious is showing up during the merger to throw a fkn tantrum and then blame everybody but yourself 13:07:13 BS. its an echo 13:08:05 revoke admin rights and ban the person who was banning for being a sissy 13:09:22 https://twitter.com/calciferciccio/status/1742522819152364026 13:09:24 lold 13:10:02 🫠 13:10:15 "Immediately" is almost 2 hours ago, but good that somebody took care of it least that. Of course, as usual who reports shit like that get insulted and harassed by people here, as th last hour of messages in this room can show 13:10:38 cmon dude just take a chill pill 13:11:02 Just leave the room, erc 13:11:03 who cares if some random IRC persona called ofrnxmr has a different opinion 13:11:10 You dont want to be on ccs anymore 13:11:14 the mods you pinged are asleep, and i just so happened to see it after scrolling up, i don't know how long or what timezone my laptop/matrix stamps are in but it looked to me like 40 mins later. 13:11:15 What a stupid take man 13:11:20 > who cares if some random IRC persona called ofrnxmr has a different opinion 13:11:21 100 13:12:00 its now in resolutions for discussion #resolutions:monero.social 13:12:05 But at least sane people lurking in this room can see what shit one reporting antisemitism in monero channels has to go through 13:12:14 Libera folks cant tune in plowsof: 13:12:21 you think its antisemitism because someone wrote ((())) 13:12:27 i think you are being a bit uptight 13:12:40 there was a ban for antisemtism here not so long ago 13:12:45 Thats just erc 13:13:11 Always stretching the truth 13:13:14 "threatssss" 13:13:17 Ban 13:13:21 i come from a partly jew family so if anyone should be offended maybe its me 13:13:27 ... 13:13:32 Qh fuck off 13:13:40 dsc, youre a jew? #dumpingmywow 13:13:43 Jk 13:13:55 its true though.. 13:14:04 monero doesnt see colors or races or ofac sanctions 13:14:08 just chill 13:14:08 :D 13:14:27 And doesnt fund wars via inflation 13:14:57 If im abtisemetic, i dump my xmr for euros and pay taxes 13:15:04 Then send aid to hamas 13:16:37 crypto communities have always been a dumpster fire of young annoying turbo nerds 13:16:46 thats why it is innovative 13:18:37 The Monero cmmunity was the best around before trolls from 4chan and enablers like you 13:19:06 yeah go fuck yourself 13:19:53 Just take a chill pill man, isn't thag the solution? Maybe you have more of these superwise takes 13:20:05 maybe spend some time learning how to program instead of crying 13:20:11 you had how many years for that? 13:20:45 Enabling the use of punctuation❗❗ 13:20:52 /ignore -regexp -pattern "erc:cryptoriot.org" #monero-community 13:24:50 * plowsof wants to mention the +28xmr general fund donation today and monero observer/lovera ccs updates + https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/ 13:25:28 an auto gift card redeem attempt is also in progress here https://bounties.monero.social/posts/27/3-000m-gift-wallet-on-paper 13:26:42 monero observer milestone 1 + 2 + 3 updates https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/414#note_23123 13:26:51 I'd really much appreciate if all the antisemites and enablers around here would do this. 13:27:12 loveras november update https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/406#note_23131 13:27:33 now back to fighting, sorry 13:28:09 this guy calling me an antisemite enabler 13:28:15 also my regex doesnt work, fail 13:28:49 can someone post a pastebin link, like the spam does? without anything else in it 13:29:25 Stop fudding, plowsof. Ccs doesnt work 13:29:37 https://pastebin.com/B9q8hx5K 13:30:11 Thats what i see on matrix 👍 13:30:17 I removed it with 13:30:27 but seems Matrix dropped it as tags 13:30:32 a paste bin dot com? https://paste.debian.net/1302909/ 13:30:37 is the bot active in dev channels? maybe people use it there 13:30:55 I could not limit it based on user, sadly 13:31:07 it targets only messages that ONLY contain the link 13:31:13 and only to pastebin.com 13:31:23 here are my important error logs which i need help with thank you in advance https://pastebin.com/w9KwAhLf 13:31:46 you know whats funny: this whole insinuating talk about "le evil people" in ze community that "WE" should "speak out against" is the same exclusionary speech pattern 13:31:56 its literally an echo of the same thing 13:32:07 its an (((echo))) 13:32:12 of the same idea 13:32:32 Monero doesnt know what a jew is. Maybe plowsof is a jew 👀 13:32:34 IDEA: wanting to exclude someone or a group of people 13:32:40 And thats why we always blame him 13:32:57 I looked into channel modes and libera.chat doesn't let you set such filters, well, sysops should have that power 13:33:00 nobody gives a fuck about labels anymore it is 2024 lol 13:33:08 one sec, restarting bridge again 13:34:45 And thats just an observation. There are real antisemites around. Lebanon isnt one of them (at least not overtly) 13:34:59 should be back now, it dropped the last few messages sent on Matrix 13:35:10 test https://pastebin.com/w9KwAhLf 13:35:12 https://pastebin.com/w9KwAhLf 13:35:21 that is more explicit 13:35:24 https://pastebin.com/w9KwAhLf 13:35:41 I don't enable it Matrix -> IRC 13:35:47 only IRC -> Matrix 13:36:06 (they arent using matrix - just testing what happens if sending from matrix) 13:36:12 👍👍 13:36:42 I dorked for "(((hyperinflation)))" and couldn't find any previous usage 13:36:47 ping me if you see other fun spam - probably at that point I'll just edit the code 13:36:49 > [probably PasteBin spam] 13:36:49 LGTM 13:37:03 I dorked for "(((hyperinflation)))" and couldn't find any previous usage 13:37:46 thats because in 1929 they did not have 4chan 13:37:53 Those quotes wont protect you, siren 13:38:55 this whole thing can be summed up with: erc is burned out and getting erratic 13:39:08 and as a result he is picking quarrels and provoking trouble 13:41:22 was also my conclusion, in which case hope he is doing well soon :) 13:47:32 i wouldn't describe erc as the most erratic in here 13:49:33 dude, i get attacked for calling out antisemitism. Why are you even engaging with them? 13:49:46 we are all nazis lol 13:49:59 dont talk with the nazis midipoet 13:50:09 erc: cleaning the shit out of cuckoo clocks can be addictive 13:50:18 the whole monero community is infested with nazis 13:50:27 hans get the flamethrower 13:50:31 lol 13:50:34 we need to cleanout the community 13:50:42 via CoC 13:50:44 :) 13:50:54 hans get the coc 13:51:56 That explains a lot. some in here probably love huge long cocs but don't want to admit it 13:52:13 just remember, monero is inclusive. 13:53:26 wasnt it sgp who attempted to introduce a pretty long CoC? 13:53:51 jokes aside, this room could have been chill if we just banned that spammer and went on about our day 13:54:16 we can't ban anyone without committee meetings dsc 13:54:30 look at the coc 13:55:00 and even then, we have to ask to have a committee meeting at a committee meeting 13:55:06 are you serious :D 13:55:15 and only then can we all look at the coc together 13:55:23 if people show up 13:55:33 Cause if they don't, nothing will get enforced 13:55:42 mainly as mods are on holiday 13:55:52 or they resisted the coc 13:56:26 this does not sound efficient 13:56:45 not the most efficient process, no. 13:56:48 I blame the coc 13:56:56 is there one? 13:57:39 yeah, weak mods and nonsense burocracy are part of the reason why the quality here became so low 13:58:04 The resistance to an even basic coc tells already a lot. 13:58:21 what does it tell exactly? 13:58:27 that not everyone shares your opinions? 13:58:29 the peanuts have won 13:58:41 i disagreed with sgp about many things, but he was fully right in suggesting to add a coc and not using one was and is a mistake 13:58:57 grow up dsc 13:59:46 you only function in bubbles where everyone shares your views, got it 14:00:00 Monero was always full of people with different opinions. That hasn't been a problem until the army of morons arrived from nowhere and started to attack anyone who wouldn't let them do whatever they wanted. and it worked 14:01:14 lol. i've been working in an environment full of anarchocapitalist from the very beginning and was never a problem until the last years and i hate anarco capitalism. Try again 14:01:30 who do you mean exactly? 14:02:13 dsc_: I know you're not a cocsucker, we all know your not a cocsocker, but there are good reasons why cocs exist. You have to agree? 14:02:24 *you're 14:02:48 midipoet: no, there is a mod team who ban on a per-case basis at their discretion 14:02:55 or at least that's how i'd like it to be 14:03:01 i.e: apply common sense 14:03:07 no need to write it down like some bureacrat 14:03:15 fair enough. 14:03:15 yeah it's working great. It's full of nice people around here 14:03:22 who exactly are the mods then? 14:03:24 CoC can be literally "there is a mod team who ban on a per-case basis at their discretion" 14:03:44 And can i apply to be one, as i would like to apply some common sense to this situation 14:03:54 that sound ok? 14:03:55 yes 14:04:00 perfect 14:04:20 i think the people that want coc take themselves too seriously 14:04:24 moderation is not hard... 14:04:26 it feels corporaty 14:04:34 ^ 14:04:52 the people that want coc take themselves too seriously 14:05:35 i agree. I don't like cocs either, but if people generally don't know how to engage in a respectful manner to each other, then someone somewhere has to draw a line. 14:05:54 throwing insults around shouldn't be tolerated, imo 14:06:04 we aren't 12 14:06:08 midipoet: like calling people antisemite enablers? 14:06:36 who tf does this noob thinks he is 14:07:01 engaging with spam should be banned. from then on, that message is also categorized spam. and so on :) 14:07:58 to be honest, in this case it seemed someone took a antisemitic spam text, removed the word Jew from it (probably to avoid some filter), and replaced it with a grammatical symbol that has been known to be antisemitic. Common sense in this case would think the general sentiment was antisemitic, no? 14:08:23 yep 14:08:31 thats up to you to decide, to me it wasnt antisemitic, im not up-to-date with the neo-nazi lingo 14:08:32 (i didn't previously know the triple parenthesis thing) 14:08:35 no common sense is to say "take a chill pill" to the person calling out the antisemitism and then cry after they call you enabler 14:08:50 it was quite instant here, that parenthesis thing has been around for ten years or so for me noticeably 14:08:51 > The resistance to an even basic coc tells already a lot. 14:08:51 Watch me trigger erc's CoC 14:09:02 dsc_: you did know about once you were told about it 14:09:07 *about it 14:09:18 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/qlzFzpYyXroKGgwojVReYgJG 14:09:21 used to be used as a dogwhistle 14:09:26 midipoet: i dont think its antisemitic even after told 14:09:32 (((test))) 14:09:36 #nomoneochan 14:09:48 are we in an alternate reality here? 14:09:52 dsc_: ok then (((hate the bastards))) 14:09:57 How about that? 14:10:34 generational gap in play here 14:10:40 (((plowsof is the best))) 14:10:46 jesus christ. It's a lost battle. If he didn't get it until now he cannot get it or doesn't want to 14:10:48 (((you're just as bad as that scum))) 14:10:52 How about that one? 14:11:02 Ban midi! 14:11:07 erc: im not going to abide by your worldview just because you tell me 14:11:18 in the process you paint me as a antisemite 14:12:00 You are an antisemite, dsc. Admit it and leave midi and erc to moderate 14:12:03 i couldn't care less of what your world view is, but if you are ok with antisemitism and are ok with enabling it, you are contributing in making the place unwelcoming 14:12:22 what do you mean with "but if you are ok with antisemitism" 14:12:54 Hes saying youre a nazi sympathizer 14:13:00 he is indeed 14:13:30 Youre supposed to hate, yknow 14:13:40 Hate ppl that have nothing to do with you 14:14:46 im offended he'd insinuate that 14:14:57 Its like jim cramer 14:15:08 and he talks about making it a less welcoming place, lol 14:15:13 erc didnt stand with me when I tried to welcome the afghan women to the space lol 14:15:31 If erc says it, its the opposite. - id be flattered, as hes saying that im _not_ a nazi sympathizer 14:15:59 ErC: do you hate brown people 14:15:59 I also tried to invite black lives matter and he also didnt care 14:16:04 yo uare ok with antisemitism because you don't understand the difference between free speech and the freedom of receiving a platform for your hate speech. So yeah, you are not a nazi, you are the guy that would have said to people "hey let them talk, they have right to free speech" when people would have protested nazis 14:16:12 so i take you don't get why that's bad 14:16:22 Would it make you happy if i wanted to bomb hamas? 14:16:34 but you might inform yourself about the paradox of intollerance 14:16:35 and find useful info about how a welcoming community is built 14:16:38 must be witch hunting hour again 14:16:54 whatever you say erc 14:17:07 erc: don't give them your lunch money! 14:17:09 yeah he just wants to witch hunt he does not care about welcoming people 14:17:27 > must be witch hunting hour again 14:17:28 Yeah, we cant find the antisemite! 14:17:39 inform yourself a bit man, it's not as easy as saying "take a chill pill" when somebody calls out antisemitism but you might find useful info about how you are enabling antisemitists. 14:17:43 without your presence this room would currently be chill :) 14:18:14 you make a community more welcoming by saying welcome to new groups of people and inviting them 14:18:18 not by accusing people of stuff 14:18:27 it makes it worse 14:18:32 yeah, because now i know that for you a chill room is where antisemites are allowed to spread that shit. I'll stay around and will keep calling out stuff like this 14:18:33 just go and invite some jews 14:18:36 ofrnxmr: in case you missed it, we agreed it was probably the person that removed the word Jew and replaced it with ((())). 14:18:42 > you make a community more welcoming by saying welcome to new groups of people and inviting them 14:18:42 Then rugging them and the homeservers lol 14:18:56 now people cannot even try to push me out by attacking my projects. No projects anymore 🙂 14:18:59 erc: you'll get very far by identifying everything as antisemite and racist, I'm sure! 14:19:01 Reee 14:19:06 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/SmbFiJnPlXtvuwgWvkKMZvlv 14:19:25 Erc CoC says "no monerochan" 14:19:32 Good this this aint his room 14:19:41 ^ here is where i stop assuming good faith. Nobody is that stupid 14:19:43 god I hate educated people so much 14:19:48 ofrnxmr: stop touching the coc. He operate a hands off policy in here 14:19:51 0 is the number of jews that erc invited to the community 14:20:05 make this number go up 14:20:11 or get lost 14:21:58 > ofrnxmr: in case you missed it, we agreed it was probably the person that removed the word Jew and replaced it with ((())). 14:21:58 I didnt miss anything 14:22:14 it was lebanon, the user who did exactly that 14:22:40 "agreed" 14:22:41 how does one "agree" on hard facts, lolz 14:23:04 midi shitting on CoC but jist voted to add one to monero-events 14:23:29 Shitting on meetings ontop of meetings, but wants to have meta meetings and limit the scope of community meetings 14:23:49 ofrnxmr: i know you didn't. you never do 14:23:55 L.o.l. 14:24:51 ofrnxmr: i don't think i voted on the events coc (at least i don't remember voting for it) 14:42:22 I just reread all the comments here. I really need you all to work with me on making this place better, because there's no need for everything to be a drama party. 14:42:22 * The person who posted this message was an obvious spammer, and they were more likely than not to be antisemitic. No, it's not a jury conviction, but for a spammer, the likelihood is high enough. We don't need an argument about the theory of racism each time a spammer posts junk. 14:42:22 * You all need to stop insulting each other. It's very hard as a mod to know how to enforce things at times if everyone is acting like a child. Frankly, it makes me want to ban everyone who is loud and annoying so everyone else can have an actual conversation. 14:42:23 * There are a lot of active people here. Please, please, PLEASE focus your attention on helping to make this channel a better place, and not just about winning some petty argument for an off-topic discussion. 14:42:23 * We need more positivity. If someone shows up with anger, it's best to simply report, not to engage. 14:42:24 If you want this room to be a better place, you gotta help me help you. 14:42:24 Everyone here won't agree on 100% of everything, but let's please not fixate on the missing % all the time. Thank you. 14:42:40 midipoet: 2 years ago we had someone in #affinity-scam-that-should-not-be-named who seemed to have a issue with the (((****))), banned him after he kept goign on, no CoC needed... 14:45:16 ... work with me ... 14:45:38 You are mixing up the spammer on Libera with the matrix user, not spammer, that got rightfully banned for posting antisemite stuff 14:46:07 two different people. 14:47:06 add something like: be concise to the prompt 14:47:12 it is too long 14:48:28 dsc_: i dont think a coc is needed either. BUT other people seem to not want to agree with general respect when conversing with people, which for the most part should include not hurling direct insults, name-calling, defamation, and slander. This sort of behaviour should definitely not be tolerated. I woke up the other day to read back-logs of someone hurling insults at another person. regardless of whether "feelings" 14:48:28 were hurt, it just brings the general level of conversation to the gutter. It was never tolerated before, so i am not sure why it is tolerated now. If we want to allow these sorts of practices, then fine - but this place (as sgp notes) will no longer be a relaxing, informative, monero focused place to hang out (which is always used to be). 14:49:34 +1 14:51:20 dsc_: seriously, are we ok with this sort of tone and language? "...why do i have to wake up to people calling others "coward bitch", "cheap ho" and making accusations of "crying like a bitch" and "begging for money". Why is this tolerated? It never has been previously and SHOULDN'T ever be.". 14:51:27 midipoet: yeah well, sounds nice but not realistic when (sometimes valid) complaints regarding community issues are easily labeled as defamation and slander, as I've seen happen. 14:51:50 direct insults are easy, just ban 14:52:18 what do you mean "sometimes valid"? 14:52:22 but we should be mindful that some people come from a different social background 14:52:32 what? 14:52:34 we are all human 14:52:37 were this kind of slang is normal 14:52:45 like in the ghetto 14:52:51 its normal to talk like that 14:52:55 this isn't a ghetto 14:53:00 and maybe even homophobia is normalized 14:53:05 or other bad things 14:53:07 it's absolutely normal to change behaviour depending on context 14:53:26 but maybe some people cant do it 14:53:28 so should we ban them? 14:53:43 if we have asked them to change behaviour, and they dont - YES 14:53:46 that could also mean we exclude people from disadvantaged backgrounds 14:53:54 or autistic people 14:54:06 remember terry was also excluded 14:54:10 it's not exclusionary if you are making people aware of the ways in which they are being disrespectful 14:54:14 because he used swear words 14:54:23 AND they have the ability to change their tone/language 14:54:33 spirobel: are you a cheap ho? 14:54:43 you sound an awful lot like a cheap ho to me 14:54:49 you even look like on? 14:54:51 *one 14:54:52 so white middle class people force their social norms on everyone else? 14:55:09 that is the subtext of this whole code of conduct debate 14:55:12 spirobel: shut the fuck up you cheap ho 14:55:16 shut your mouth 14:55:19 lol 14:55:21 you are talking shit 14:55:29 nice 14:55:29 see? 14:55:31 braaaa 14:55:35 this feels good 14:55:38 not really a monero place anymore is it? 14:55:40 midipoet: this isnt about direct insults, everyone knows they should be banned for it, its common knowledge. If mods are not banning then I wonder what they are instead doing. 14:55:48 i like it 14:55:51 better than this fake ass polite shit 14:55:54 dsc_: exactly! 14:56:11 like look at me i am so professianl 14:56:17 spirobel: shut the fuck up, i am not talking to you, you cheap trash 14:56:18 i am better than everyone else 14:56:53 i like this tone 14:57:18 it feels more normal and inviting than this " i am such a professional person" 14:57:22 vibe 14:57:49 spirobel gets it, the language and tone differs per social-economic caste 14:57:51 like we are not employees of the sgp company 14:58:07 and this is not a fucking corporate meeting 14:58:26 right, so calling people cheap hoes is ok here? 14:58:34 the coc should allow ghetto slang 14:58:40 yes 14:59:11 and calling someone a coward bitch? 14:59:20 also allowed i assume? 14:59:28 what about cuntbag? 14:59:36 dsc_: that allowed ^ 14:59:40 ? 14:59:48 yes 14:59:55 midipoet: 14:59:55 so white middle class people force their social norms on everyone else? 14:59:55 that is the subtext of this whole code of conduct debate 14:59:58 so much this^ 15:00:08 and no, that doesnt mean directly insulting people should be allowed 15:00:12 that is funny 15:00:16 and if someone takes it serious they should get the stick out of their ass 15:00:17 australians for example use cunt all the time 15:00:18 or fucking 15:00:21 dsc_: sorry what? 15:00:36 am i allowed direct a ghetto insult or not? 15:00:51 i dont care if you do 15:01:10 thats just me personally, but as a mod you could choose to disallow it 15:01:22 dsc_: you're officially a cuntbag. 15:01:24 its common knowledge not to use foul language 15:01:35 so it wouldnt be weird to disallow it. 15:01:40 dsc_: sorry, now we can't use foul language? 15:01:43 spirobel says we can? 15:01:44 this is not about direct insults 15:01:46 make up your minds 15:02:01 this is beautiful 15:02:04 oh I stepped into a fun one it seems 15:02:31 foul language really depends on the country and social circle. and I am against enforcing american suburb sentiments on everyone. 15:02:38 exactly 15:02:46 monero is an international community 15:02:51 hence I said earlier "I hate educated people" 15:02:51 spirobel: so how are we gonna manage the permissions? 15:03:11 its usually the educated class that impose rules on the working class 15:03:14 because they dont like "the tone" 15:03:30 I would say to me personally it's not the words you use it's how you use them, uhhh, for the most part. there's some words I'm not really trying to hear 15:03:31 you see this everywhere IRL 15:03:49 this is so true 15:04:05 im not educated, I come from nothing 15:04:18 hence I dont care 15:04:20 dsc_: oh great - this means dsc_ is allowed to use ghetto language 15:04:26 anybody else want to throw their hat in? 15:04:41 is there an earning limit that allows one the permission? 15:04:49 maybe a parent's earning limit? 15:04:50 im just giving you my 2 cents, its up to the mod team to manage this room... 15:04:53 a postcode? 15:05:05 dsc_: it's obvious the mods are awol 15:05:13 midipoet: apply to be one 15:05:18 i did already 15:05:22 when? 15:05:52 i will gladly impose my middle class expectations on the absolute gutter scum white trash cuntbags in this room 15:06:12 why? 15:06:21 why look down on blue collar so much midipoet? 15:06:29 why not spirobel, why the f not. it's a free world 15:06:32 think u are better or what? 15:06:35 do you have a degree? 15:06:43 i know i am better. YOU brough up class 15:06:57 he could though, the free market would decide if people stay/leave :) 15:08:01 spirobel: YOU decided to reference the hierarchy. not me. 15:08:15 i just want people to stop being obtuse in here 15:08:18 thats's it 15:08:22 it's not that fucking hard 15:08:31 ofrnxmr: lol this person on github getting mad that I replied without specifically tagging him 15:08:38 but instead people want to argue for the "right" to hurl language and insults around 15:08:55 as if their life will become meaningless if they can't 15:09:00 in a monero room of ALL PLACES! 15:09:13 > ofrnxmr: lol this person on github getting mad that I replied without specifically tagging him 15:09:13 😁😁. Bad selsta, bad. 15:09:20 "slang" or not, if an insult is used to try to cause harm, or if it makes other people in the room uncomfortable (by reasonable evaluation, this isn't a suicide pact), then the user will be warned or banned 15:09:41 it wasnt used to cause harm 15:09:54 yeah its the intent that matters ... but i dont think anyone here is causing harm 15:09:55 The user in question, lebAnon 15:09:59 also we are on the internet lol 15:10:25 did someone say suicide pact? 15:10:27 I'm in 15:10:36 Ban 15:10:39 I definitely have seen many things crossing the line over the last few weeks 15:11:02 The geo/ofrn conversations for example 15:11:14 that was months ago 15:11:27 and that didnt cross any lines except for your feeling 15:12:07 But nit the subject anyway, unless youre trying to make it one 15:12:57 sgp is causing more harm by enforcing his culture on the rest of us lol 15:13:03 that is real harm lol 15:13:06 Ban sgp 15:13:42 yall just send me chat logs I'll decide what's appropriate 15:14:07 I think you're all silly so I'm the most unbiased 15:14:25 > > <@m-relay:monero.social> https://pastebin.com/MCKZj5pw 15:14:25 > I've lost my life savings because of (((hyperinflation))) and banks rugging us here kek 15:14:26 Exact quote 15:14:52 Lyza. Judge away 15:14:56 fuck that is so mean to ban him for that 15:15:03 like the guy is losing is last shirt 15:15:20 like the guy is losing his last shirt 15:15:21 he even replied to the fkn paste spam that he parodied 15:15:29 wait are we talking about whether it's okay to spam for donations lmao 15:15:36 No 15:15:52 The person who relied to the paste spam, wrote the latter part 15:16:12 Hes banned for the ((())) 15:16:14 its antisemitic 15:16:19 ohhhhh 15:16:28 that's true 15:16:29 The paste spam originally said "because of ftx jews" 15:16:42 honestly its just sad .... zero empathy for the life situation of lebanon 15:16:54 I suggested to plowsof to give a warning next time for that, unless there is additional context I'm missing 15:17:00 lol 15:17:04 He replace"jews" with "(((hyperinflation)))" 15:17:06 sqp is also obtuse 15:17:18 @sgp 0 additional context 15:17:20 "give him a warning" 15:17:21 like you are his daddy 15:17:22 damn 15:17:25 you wont fix us sgp 15:17:30 we are sewer rats 15:17:41 and not your colleagues in a fucking corporate meeting 15:17:45 Spirobel, what do you want? A room without mods? I don't understand 15:17:50 I might read the reply as intended sarcasm, like making fun of the person talking about jews, but idk, I'd agree with a warning but obvs we don't need to be getting antisemetic in here and the ((())) is a well known thing 15:17:54 Though, plowsof's requests are respected 15:18:15 i want you to stop enforcing your culture on others. 15:18:26 "culture" of not being antisemetic spirobel? 15:18:51 Lyza, weve been spammed daily with ftx jew spam 15:19:42 It was a joke in poor taste and should probably have been a warning 15:19:47 I dont see any antisemitism, just a playful comment _intentionally_ taken out of context by erc 15:19:56 midipoet you got your answer. Keep the insulting up for a couple more months and then you might get a warning 15:20:18 ErC: you're not acting in good faith either 15:20:19 okay yeah like I said I can read the comment as being intended as sarcasm, don't disagree with that 15:20:34 right now no. I'm making fun of this policy 15:32:55 erc should apologize to lebanon for banning him 15:33:03 and show some compassion for his life situation 15:33:24 there is 0 proof that what he said is antisemitic 15:33:52 and also the number of jews that erc invited to the monero community is still 0 15:34:09 there is 0 proof he actually gives a shit about being welcoming to jews 15:34:20 as long as this number stays 0 15:36:37 we are sewer rats <== however, the sewer rats and "the suits" need eachother to survive, they compliment eachother, even if the suits dont realise it 15:36:43 :))) 15:39:35 dsc_: i am gonna set you to ignore, as you're a cuntbag 15:41:56 Thank you 15:41:58 wait there are dramas in this channel ? 15:43:03 idk. Calling someone a cunt is ok 15:43:05 but ((())) isnt 15:44:58 "but ((())) isnt" sad LISP programmer noises somewhere 15:49:18 hey you cheap LISP programmers 15:49:58 Warning for joke in poor taste / resolved? 15:50:25 wow you don't like LISP enough to give me a warning? 15:50:52 I only write C/Go no worries 15:51:07 midipoet: insults not allowed... 15:51:49 Scrollback engaged 15:51:56 dsc_: i wasn't insulting you, i was making a statement 15:52:19 (ie. it wasn't meant to harm) 15:52:20 you're free to ignore me, such is IRC :) 15:52:46 dsc_: cuntbags everywhere these days, can't ignore everyone. 15:53:29 i dont see an issue, we probably have different standards and life philosophy.. anyway back to programming 15:53:31 you guys are a time sink 15:54:08 dsc_: what are you coding now? 15:54:25 wownero for cake rn 15:54:26 ofrnxmr: I'll have you know, there is a big difference between a cunt and a cuntbag. If you were from my part of the hood you'd know this. 15:54:51 siren: doing some cake wallet dev today, but also working on my Monero hw wallet project 15:54:57 LMFAO midipoet educating us on the hood 15:55:08 you, for the record, are a sham cuntbag (again not an insult, just a statement) 15:55:26 Cunt and cuntbag are hood slang? TIL 15:55:30 In ireland a cuntbag is a polite greeting 15:55:38 dsc_: where can I learn more about the hw wallet project? 15:55:39 Sham is too 🤣 15:55:42 Tell me youve NEVER interacted with ANYone from ANY hood without saying it so obviously 15:56:13 siren: tbh I dont think this hw wallet will be very popular because if there is one audience who is skeptical of introducing random "smart gadgets" inside their home, its the Monero community haha 15:56:29 plowsof: no. That's incorrect. Offering a cuntbag a cup of tea is a polite greeting. If you're deep in the ghetto it's a tesco value cuntbag of tea. 15:56:41 siren: i dont have much media/info to share right now, other than hw specs 15:57:08 it has a nice matte touchscreen and a kickass UI ... :) 15:57:25 ofrnxmr: i am the original ghetto nigga. didn't you know this, my brudda? 15:57:51 Lol 15:58:15 bludz in the room to the IRC 15:58:18 Is midi black? 15:58:31 biatch you who calling pooface? 15:58:56 fyi I would not appreciate that language here 15:58:57 dsc_: I had a weird dream about some weird smart card thingy that would transmit spend key or something to the atm 15:59:02 not that anyone cares about my opinion :P 15:59:04 hard to explain I probably sound retarded now 15:59:28 > ofrnxmr: i am the original ghetto nigga. didn't you know this, my brudda? 15:59:28 Those of you whove met midi, is midi black? 15:59:43 siren: the point of my device is that you need physical (touch) access in order to send out transactions, so the private keys are always on the device 15:59:52 but its not handheld 15:59:58 dsc_: oh i see. There IS A LINE! 16:00:07 Well thank you for that 16:00:09 midipoet: ofc 16:00:10 oh, then it's a dealbreaker for my weird dream 16:00:19 siren: :D 16:00:42 I was thinking what if a hw wallet/card could transmit keys on demand like that, like a yubikey with touch sensor 16:00:58 yeah someone should make that 16:01:07 im too stupid to design my own PCB 16:01:09 needs symmetric encryption with a pin or something at least 16:01:27 you'd need secure storage on the chip 16:01:32 its hard to implement probably 16:01:45 touch to transmit your pre encrypted key, then decrypt it on the ATM to use it 16:01:58 risky operation that requires lots of trust 16:02:32 yeah the hw wallet should create the tx probably i dunno 16:02:45 even if you design something like that, you'd need to manufacture it too 16:02:55 and the enclosure too with CAD software 16:03:06 its not trivial 16:03:17 but it is possible ^^ 16:03:33 i can make the enclosure but the PCB :D 16:03:47 I have a 3D printer and know my way around SolidWorks 16:04:08 bought some ABS and ASA filament for the case 16:04:17 anyway 16:04:20 its a shitty project 16:04:41 ABS is so brittle :( 16:04:47 i need the heat resistance 16:04:57 CPU is 60C idle 16:05:02 touchscreen also emits heat 16:05:11 damn 16:05:11 PLA will just warp 16:05:24 another option is injection molding 16:05:26 how big is it approximately? 16:05:26 but $$$ 16:05:32 5" 16:05:35 800x480 screen 16:06:14 (full color space) 16:06:40 you should show it here probably maybe it's not so shitty after all 16:06:56 sounds interesting I mean 16:07:15 i call it shitty because I also built-in a weather forecast app, stock tickers, HomeAssistant plugin, etc. 16:07:36 and I would assume most Monero people dont like bloated devices 16:07:40 (rightfuly so) 16:07:54 uhhh HomeAssistant plugin for that sounds useful 16:08:06 yeah, so you can mount the device on a wall 16:08:15 I know you're trying to make a point, but please move on to not making this point anymore, thanks 16:08:29 weather forecast dunno lol :D useful if you live in north EU and it's suddenly -36C 16:09:04 I could release a Monero only version 16:09:19 niche audience though.. 16:09:22 what else does it support? 16:09:41 i was contemplating bitcoin support but it feels dirty 16:10:24 Is it somewhat easy to make it plugin-based, so check the box to add btc, or uncheck to not add it 16:11:44 https://a.uguu.se/EoKMKyOa.png 16:11:52 yeah sgp, something like that 16:13:35 looks very clean 16:16:24 its fluid, 30fps, with fancy animations 16:17:43 the board itself (in the lower part of the picture) is only 20 USD 16:18:39 is it android? 16:19:17 nah, customized ubuntu-server 16:19:32 it does some funky things to systemd to make it boot fast 16:19:53 it uses a virtual framebuffer to directly output to the screen without the need for a desktop environment 16:19:57 I mean what do you use for that UI? 16:20:05 its Qt 16:20:07 C++ 16:20:46 suggest bringing it to next monerokon 16:20:56 looks cool 16:21:09 thanks 16:21:47 you can probably have a stand or share one with someone 17:31:17 !tip dsc_ $$$ 19:06:11 does anyone here have any idea who these guys are? 19:06:12 https://swaps.org/ 19:12:08 Open source? 19:13:28 maybe? 19:13:41 theres no github on the website 19:13:48 Says enough? 19:14:14 yeah but its still interesting whenever someone makes claims like these 19:15:38 Might be interested in neveko, a beta was released https://bounties.monero.social/posts/45/7-012m-plug-and-play-monero-marketplace-on-i2p 20:07:37 lmao 20:07:37 the people in their telegram called me a thief for asking for source code 20:14:26 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Thats weird 20:26:40 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> How come plowsof isnt admin or mod here? But is in other monero.social rooms? 20:27:12 They agreed it’s a closed source project 😅 20:27:51 there was a chain split - depending on which version of reality you exist in , i am a mod here, the other version of reality is stuck in the year circa 2017~ 20:28:10 jup 20:28:10 insane people in that telegram 20:28:17 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Telescam 20:30:02 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Dumb 20:30:30 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> And you have a person that has chainanal company as admin and mod??????? 20:30:51 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Conflict of interest much 20:35:50 my chainsplit comment is about a glitch with this room (others see it with old profile pics displaying, or an old admin list) 20:36:28 Plowsof test delete this msg from your acct 20:38:00 i can't here (laptop) 20:38:04 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Hiddenservices 20:38:23 So your account doesnt have ops 👀? 20:38:51 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> It would be on account not device 20:38:58 but can with banhammer* maybe my ops where removed (twice) and given banhammer instead, i don't know 20:39:34 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Sounds like your getting fired 20:39:48 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Removing permission without telling you 20:40:31 im in shutter island 20:40:35 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Sounds like there isnt consistancy across monero rooms 20:40:37 Which banhammer is the correct one? Both? 20:40:53 Theres a monero.social and a matrix.org banhammer 20:40:56 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Except admins 20:41:10 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Probably social 20:41:22 Monero doesnt have the matrix.org one 20:41:43 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> There would be a bot room where you issue commands 20:41:45 If its unneeded, remove its mod powers. (Is that even a real banhammer? Lol) 20:41:55 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Across all or specific rooms 20:42:09 The opposite 20:42:16 It doesnt have monero.social banhammer * 20:42:21 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Probably bot account 20:42:44 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Only need one account 20:45:16 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/RLNEKFfjXDpEeEfsEbzCdUER 20:45:22 the matrix admin list i see 20:45:45 yeah, banhammerMonero, what is that 20:47:04 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Normally there is a bot room for commands issue and that bot has a list of protected rooms. That bot user is mod in those rooms. 20:47:17 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> So only need one bot user 21:24:24 https://nitter.net/0x655321/status/1742529035626770863 erc getting roasted 21:24:42 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> social media for you 21:25:09 chowbungaman: got dragged into it too 😂 21:25:12 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> when you think your in the right and get a reality check you not 21:25:14 who's malicious ??? 21:25:15 (monerotopia) 21:25:42 "i called out @monerotopia for inviting a declared antisemite to their conference and i'm still being harassed to this day because of it." 21:26:53 "Now, it's clear to me that Monero going downhill is not something that can be stopped anymore ... It's time to accept that the boat is sinking." 21:27:30 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> so community and the coin is mutually exclusive? 21:28:09 "The post has finallt been moderated and the user banned. To the next time, in the meantime, as expected, i get attacked everywhere. Leaving all the attacks and insults under my posts, so that people can see what a nice bunch of people the Monero community became" 21:28:09 ErC: sorry to tell you, but lebanon is unbanned 21:28:31 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> cause someone didnt get there way they whinge on twatter 21:28:41 Erc does this everytime 21:28:45 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> softcock 21:28:52 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> well 21:29:08 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> thats what a drama queen does 21:29:16 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> throw enough mud something will stick 21:30:32 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> sad world we live in 21:31:47 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> on the plus side we get free advertisement 21:33:31 Yeah. Erc needs to step down as admin of every room he admins 21:33:53 And obviously not moderate, as he himself stepped away because he cant handle monerochan 21:34:06 It's interesting that this link doesn't show all the replies... 21:34:06 Just some of them. 21:34:12 Every monero-* room 21:34:42 He blocked me. Look for his tweets abour diego and stack wallet 21:34:57 About how we shouldnt trust diego 21:35:05 Who's malicious?? 21:35:11 No, I'm reading the real tweet. And quite a few replies aren't shown on the nitter link, which I found interesting 21:35:25 looking 21:35:32 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> sounds like a malicious person towards monero 21:35:51 not sure if because of blocked, but my nitter link doesnt show his message because he blocked me 21:36:02 https://nitter.net/ofrnxmr/status/1742526736720331117 21:36:59 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> probably shouldn't doing monero community stuff 21:37:06 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> be* 21:37:44 Honestly, I kind of am inclined to side with ErC on this one. Plenty of people say absolutely ghastly shit and then when called out on it, try to be like, "Oh, I was joking. It's funny, right?" 21:38:13 That said... oh lord the Haveno thing... 21:38:55 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> also closing ccs because he did get merged before starving devs 21:39:00 Lebanon is a casual community member 21:39:16 Erc comes here once a year to shit on everybody and ban opposition 21:39:34 And or rug a ccs 21:39:40 Fair. I haven't been around since... well, I used to mod #monero-pools on IRC, before Freenode went to shit. Actually... I'm the reason the channel exists lol 21:39:41 While selling the backend 21:39:43 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> people come here cause of authoritarianism and not to be policed 21:40:24 Doesn't matter if people like policing or not, if you have 11 people and one Nazi at a dinner, and none of them tell the Nazi to leave, you have 12 Nazis. 21:40:32 Not saying he *is* one 21:40:34 Anyway. Wolf, do you agree with erc banning me in 2 differnet rooms (-site and -translations) for things done/said in this room? 21:40:42 but just saying, there's people that you just don't wanna be around 21:40:45 Nope 21:40:59 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> guilty by association officer 21:41:07 You goddamned right. If you support genocide, you're complicit. 21:41:09 He sent me a dm telling me that he banned me in every room that he admins. 21:41:23 damn. That's... excessive 21:41:30 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> maybe they a friends with the nazi and not believe in his ideas? 21:41:34 Then cried foul when i shared it in public. And inquired about what rooms those are 21:42:06 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/gEzqowYqXIAfyKiYhBRUUonp 21:42:18 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> so no yellow or red card? before ban 21:42:22 Shadowbanned 21:43:22 It's not exactly an odd concept. In the US Constitution, anyone who provides "aid/comfort" to an enemy is committing treason, for example. 21:43:22 Whether or not you support murder of an entire group for no reason, if you are "friends" with someone who is, you are implicitly saying "I am okay with this." You might not *agree*, but you're okay with people being murdered because you don't wanna think about it. 21:43:54 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> going off that, you in monero 21:44:03 100000 21:44:07 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> soooo guilty as charged ser 21:44:25 Idgaf if youre taliban, russian, ukrainian, nirth korean, jewish, polish, or plowsof 21:44:27 I like XMR. I use it. That doesn't mean I personally have friends who are shitbags. :P 21:44:30 You all suck 21:44:39 That's a valid stance lol 21:44:59 cuntbag enablers , the lot of you 21:45:00 Americans, too 21:45:03 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> doesnt matter you use it so you guilty by associating with it 21:45:20 wolf9466: lol 21:45:24 Incorrect. If that was the case, owning a dog would make you guilty cause Hitler did 21:45:32 Seriously. Fk those cuntbags 21:45:51 Cant even build a wall 21:45:53 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> wut 21:45:57 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> now its getting stupid 21:46:01 If you personally associate with those people and call them friends - sure, you're implicitly saying you're okay with their views. If you use USD and so does a mass murderer, that doesn't make you approving of mass murder. 21:46:17 bombing my kids - lebanon 21:46:18 Supporting me enemies - a lot of countries 21:46:18 stealing from me - citizens 21:46:35 Look here ok. My personal views on the world have nothing to do with monero 21:46:44 A great example is hyc 21:47:00 Politically, a lot of monero folk have disagrees with his views 21:47:06 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> so why do they want to band privacy coins then ? cause terrorist use it? wut percentage is that 21:47:14 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> so why do they want to bad privacy coins then ? cause terrorist use it? wut percentage is that 21:47:24 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> stereotyping 21:47:31 But NOBODY doubt hyc, as his code does not contain his political bias 21:47:32 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> so why do they want to ban privacy coins then ? cause terrorist use it? wut percentage is that 21:47:35 We are monero 21:47:38 hyc is fucking insane, last I checked, and it has nothing to do with his politics 21:47:49 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> one uses it, then guilty by association 21:48:35 "insane" 21:48:59 One uses USD. Then you are guilty of every crime the Fed commits 21:49:07 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> reminds me of kayne west 21:49:08 Calling someone insane for their views, is the SAME as sympathizing with nazis 21:49:13 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> ^ 21:49:13 Lying about being part of NASA, lying about being some kind of hero 21:49:28 Correct. USING XMR does not provide "aid/comfort" to anyone 21:49:29 He's a part of monero 21:49:30 Fk basa 21:49:33 Nasa 21:49:53 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> going in circles 21:49:59 It's the fact he's an open, blatant liar who will double down on his lies the moment that he gets challenged. That really someone you wanna trust? 21:50:15 does his code lie? 21:50:41 Does hyc ban people on matrix/irc based on those views? 21:50:49 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> craig wright does and people still follow him 21:50:50 Nope, which is why I don't say "throw out his code", he's a liar and you should throw out his *opinions* 21:51:01 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> well 21:51:05 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> ignore it 21:51:13 Who said anyone listens to them? 21:51:19 Which is exactly my poibt 21:51:27 I dont give a fuck how insane you are 21:51:32 Monero. 21:51:41 Do you monero? 21:51:55 If you monero, i dont care who's on the other side of the wallet 21:52:09 Does this answer your question? https://forum.getmonero.org/7/open-tasks/2400/open-source-amd-miner-by-wolf0 21:52:29 I wasnt asking _you_ 21:52:51 I making a point that your personal views dont matter AT ALL 21:52:59 If they did, we'd all hate each other 21:53:29 No, but being a habitual liar should. Unless you like believing lies. 21:53:30 And by "your", i mean, none of ours 21:53:31 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> what am i looking for? 21:53:35 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> you have xmr? 21:53:44 I dont talk to him about his views 21:53:59 I talk to him about writing code 21:54:05 What do i care about how he fks his wife? 21:54:13 whats got nothing to do with me 21:55:11 if he lies to others on a regular... who's to say he won't lie to you? 21:55:41 We just had 600k in donations. Should i return it because i dont accept money from nazis or russians? 21:55:50 About what? The temperature outside? 21:55:58 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> code and person are two different things 21:56:40 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> like kayne the person and kayne the singer 21:57:33 Or like plowsof 21:57:47 You should hear him rap 21:58:30 pencil a meeting for this Saturday? https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/952 22:00:12 I love ASICs 22:00:18 we should allow ASICs in Monero 22:00:31 https://www.asics.com/us/en-us/gel-kayano-30-platinum/p/ANA_1011B920-001.html 22:03:32 can you earn Monero with ASICs? apparently yes 22:04:11 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> yeah was meant to be the main attraction at kon last year 22:04:37 There is an old saying: "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." Far too many people talk about people in here. 22:04:51 Surely it's better suited for off-topic 22:05:12 ^ says midipoet while talking about people 22:05:14 Oh the irony 22:05:36 Midipoet - the below-average mind 22:05:53 ah, i see. Back to the insults 22:06:07 Any others while we are here? 22:06:22 > There is an old saying: "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." Far too many people talk about people in here. 22:06:22 This is intended to be an insult, nerd 22:06:30 Surely you have some foul mouthed insults to hurl? 22:06:42 Im just pointing out that youre _actually_ the lowest iq in the room 22:06:59 oh i see. The iq one again. 22:07:02 Anything else? 22:07:02 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> sounds like geonic🤔 22:07:10 Shouldnt be talking about averages minds, when you cant use an onion 22:07:30 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> when is the meta issue meeting happening btw? 22:07:43 or reply function in email 🤣 22:07:48 i don't know, why don't you schedule it! 22:07:55 I tried, and was gatekept 22:08:06 was utterly fantastic 22:08:13 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> wut 22:08:16 Gatekept 22:08:18 midi, how much WORK have you done on meta? 22:08:23 0? Ya? 22:08:30 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> you seem to have all the ideas but dont follow through? 22:08:37 ofrnxmr: how much work have you done, full stop? 22:08:44 great minds discuss ideas 22:08:47 "ideas", more like "non-ideas" 22:08:58 > ofrnxmr: how much work have you done, full stop? 22:08:59 Like 50% of your meta 22:09:12 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> me: dont use google 22:09:12 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> me: here is mattermost with onlyoffice 22:09:13 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> me: idea came to life 22:09:28 You have your hand up your ass 22:09:35 (dan) 22:09:52 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> "just create meta issue for meeting and "they wiil come 🙏 22:10:06 midi is a bad-actor sympathizer 22:10:12 I think thats worse than being a nazi around here 22:10:38 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> just saying create the issue calling it a meeting 22:11:55 the ccs backlog is cleared, we may be able to grant permission for meta issues to be discussed 22:12:04 Midi literally said they are against refunding essential code (full chain membership proofs). (midi cant even use tor). But midi wants backpay for monero-policy "work" (uses their own personal google drive to write their blogposts) 22:12:24 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> separate meeting cause " a quick game is a good game" 22:12:55 the ccs community work group has performed a hostile take over of the community meetings and is stopping other work groups from rising , this needs to stop 22:13:27 i believe we can overcome this situation, together 22:14:11 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> less shit for you to do 22:14:14 ``` 22:14:14 ofrnxmr: yes, 20 mins (longer now) with no answer, mainly as i have two kids under the age of 3 that (unbelievably) are more important than dealing with you. In answer to your question: if FCMP is allowed to restropectively ask for funding, than ANY work conducted previously for XMR (code or no code) can also ask for retrospective funding. And yes this includes work 22:14:14 conducted by policy. If we were to get funded for work 22:14:15 previously conducted, we can spend it on anything we like. Swag included. 22:14:15 ``` 22:14:31 midipoet = Dead weight 22:16:19 Do i agree that retro is ok? Yes, ofc. 22:16:19 Do i agree that that retro is bad and that comparing to swag bags is in good faith? Fk no 22:16:26 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> i thought there would be a meeting discussing current events in policies 22:16:41 But we JUST funded that bullshit scam movie that DOESNT FEATURE MOONERO 22:17:02 Still waiting to hear how much work you've done ofrnxmr. 22:17:12 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> great minds think a like 22:17:27 I'll give you 20 mins, if you need? 22:17:38 > Still waiting to hear how much work you've done ofrnxmr. 22:17:38 I dont do any work 22:17:47 Or are you having trouble figuring it out from under the bag of swag? 22:17:53 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> in public view 22:18:04 i answered: I did 50% of yours 22:18:04 aka, i dont do ANY work 22:18:12 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> plowsof: sounds like inciting drama ^ 22:18:47 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> its like leaving a bomb and running away 22:19:19 > ofrnxmr: I dont do any work 22:19:19 And all along i thought you were dishonest. shame on me. 22:19:34 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> see ^ 22:20:00 You and your fellow parasites are the ONLY people in all of monero who would call ofrnxmr dishonest 22:20:32 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> wouldnt bother just baiting you 22:20:48 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> like geonic use too 22:20:49 if i was dishonest, id have been permbanned a loooooooooooong time ago 22:25:01 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> there is old https://github.com/monero-project/meta/pulls 22:26:05 Get to work midi 22:26:07 Go resolve em 22:36:04 What a shitshow 😂 22:36:30 <4​rkal:monero.social> Anyone else get a 403 forbidden here? https://monero.observer/monero-talk-nate-eatsleepcrypto-interview/ 22:36:50 <4​rkal:monero.social> escapethe3ra: 22:36:51 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> yeah 22:36:54 yeah 22:37:07 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> kyc me ? 22:43:59 if you want a prettier 404 page that doesnt burn your eyes please click this link https://monero.observer/monero-talk-nate-eat-sleepcrypto-interview/ 22:45:07 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> missing hypen 22:45:12 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> missing hyphen 22:46:13 still 404's but its a real 404 now 22:47:29 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> fancy 23:01:16 nice community work you guys are doing in here 23:07:45 tobtoht new ccs on sat 23:12:38 Btw the current round of funding for the ATM project is almost complete (82%)! https://atm.monero.is/donate.html 23:15:17 almost forgot, will add to the notes! congrats 23:18:50 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> where are the whales!!! 23:19:15 Buying corn 23:19:28 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> hmm 23:19:35 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> gofund siren's project