01:10:27 "offensive signals"? 🤔 banhammer out of control 01:16:41 Pffft #ofrnforpresident 02:06:53 I was just questioning about that too, lol. 02:07:36 ofrnxmr seems very active in the community so I am surprised as well he isn't here yet, or at least under the common screen name he's known as. 02:08:07 I know he's on Simplex a lot. 02:08:15 #Bringbackofrn 02:08:37 #bringbackofrn 02:15:29 not a fan of simplex ui 03:17:33 It is rudimentary but it's new software so I give it leniency. 03:17:46 I imagine it will improve over time. 04:24:06 file ThankYouForBeingAMediumOfExchange(4).png too big to download (3706547 > allowed size: 1000000) 04:24:06 ThankYouForBeingAMediumOfExchange(4).png 06:42:09 If government and banks treated fiat responsibly the would be little need for monero. But it is getting worse for at least 30 years. Why people are happy about the delisting is that it is forcing Monero to become true peer to peer cash that is independent of 3rd parties before the fiat situation gets too bad. This is a good thing 12:11:16 https://nitter.salastil.com/rottenwheel1/status/1743604986057998768 13:59:48 To ask, & touch on the conversation earlier, do we have a blueprint, or roadmap for adoption? 13:59:49 Are we focusing on Asia, Europe, The Americas, or Africa, etc. first? 13:59:49 Are we top-downing (Reform Regulations), middle-outing (using the tools that already exist with other cryptocurrencies, & utilizing, & improving them to be more simple, & compatible with XMR) , or bottom-upping (Make people cypherpunk)? 13:59:50 Should we prioritize individuals/Markets that need Monero more like Religious Organizations, Sexual/Ethnic Minorities, Fringe political groups (Nazis, Communists, etc.), Freedom fighters, artists, musicians, small businesses, Prostitutes/Sex Workers, or should we take a broad approach, & try to appeal to the masses? 13:59:50 We have a smart, & talented community so obviously I believe we can achieve this, however, to our dismay, & while it being our advantage as well (at times), we are too decentralized, The Bitcoiners join together, meanwhile us The XMR-ers, we are cynical, we debate, & yell at each other, while discussion, & disagreements are critical for growth, feedback, & improvement, unnecessary harshness at others wears down the spirit. 13:59:51 We need to be level headed, & reasonable, & provide fair, objective, & constructive feedback. 13:59:52 We have a lot of good tools, knowledge, & resources out there but we have to come together so those tools can be used to build. 13:59:52 Decentralization is important but so are networks, forking is important, & good as well but ultimately when a broken node isn't operating properly, a cascading effect can occur, & that node can corrupt other nodes, so that is why as a network we must establish good code, & repair our broken nodes. 13:59:53 That statement is about people, while being technically inclined because that is how I've come to understand the world, & human relationships, we need to connect, we need to fix ourselves, we need to strengthen, & grow. 13:59:53 I am open to discussion with anyone who wants to help formulate a feasible path forward. 14:04:29 I believe in adoption, I believe in us, I believe that we can win, I believe that we can cause the good ending of Humanity to occur. 14:04:29 We will be FOSS, we will be Libre, we will have Privacy 14:04:30 We all want the same thing, means to an end folks. 14:14:51 meeting in 45 minutes ~ is vostoemisio around https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/952 14:15:32 how many of us are left are the #quietning? 15:00:27 Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/952 15:00:37 greetings 15:00:38 Hello. 15:00:42 Yo 15:02:18 meow 15:02:24 hi 15:02:44 hello 15:02:58 Hi 15:03:15 is #monero-beef:monero.social bridged to IRC? 15:04:09 would anyone like to comment on the ongoing issue of "Calls for moderation on Matrix/IRC" and also a related meta-issue: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/899 15:04:22 I don't think it's bridged with the new DataHoarder bridge. I think there is an IRC room with that name. 15:04:34 it's not bridged 15:04:42 does it need to? 15:04:56 just checked, there was 1 person in the irc room, if that is even the real irc room 15:05:01 i think so yes, it could be useful 15:05:17 exactly, just joined, empty, minus a person that got OP due to being the only one 15:05:23 hello 15:05:23 am i evading bans rn 15:06:39 someone will need to claim that IRC room properly anyhow, otherwise it'll sit unmoderated on IRC side (or with a random person) 15:06:42 ofrnxmr: yes, i would imagine so, if you were banned on matrix side 15:07:13 plowsof should implement a ban on IRC side as they are op'd in IRC 15:07:20 aw. Good thing i dont care what sgp or scott have tosay, right? 15:07:48 either you ask the people in that #monero-beef room nicely to give it to the project, or ask libera.chat ops to assign it to a project 15:08:03 plowsof should, as they are a moderator here. plowsof? 15:08:04 I think bridging it before this is done (given topics there) might not be a good idea 15:08:29 Plowsof, shall we continue the meeting? Hinto is likely waiting 15:08:33 Realistically, our comments don't matter and nothing will change. The best thing that can possibly happen is the dissolution of monero.social. And otherwise, if the monero.social admin really cares, should revoke perms of people who are too unstable/untrustworthy to moderate. 15:08:53 thanks DataHoarder, Rucknium created the matrix room,, its possible it can be shufffled around / renamed if needed. will keep you updated, thanks for maintaining m-relay 15:08:59 plowsof: Shouldn't we go through the main agenda first? I can say something on moderation when the agenda item arrives. 15:09:07 And also who is the admin of monero.social? 15:09:07 the problem with the latter part @siren, is sgp gave himself admin from his own homeserver 15:09:18 rucknium - +1 15:09:42 ofrnxmr is ban evading while geonic is muted here 15:09:48 so sgp owns the server and the hetzner account? 15:09:58 sgp owns neither 15:10:00 (Taking care of bridging behind the scenes w/ DH FWIW) 15:10:03 I didn't create #monero-beef:monero.social . IIRC I suggested that it be created. xmrscott is the creator. 15:10:22 ohhh i see 15:10:26 I'll await clearing ownership of that room on IRC side (and/or as xmrscott said on DM, use a different one) 15:10:35 Preferably same one 15:10:50 why is xmrscott an admin the resolutions chat? who is he? 15:11:01 FOSS funding scene updates: All open CCS proposals funded on new years day https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/ , Ruckniums infra costs have almost been funded too https://rucknium.me/donate/ / [Monero ATM almost there!](https://atm.monero.is/donate.html) 15:11:07 ? 15:11:12 Why have we moved on 15:11:20 When we started this topic? 15:11:23 why is xmrscott an admin in the resolutions chat? who is he? 15:11:50 xmrscott has been around monero for a LONG time 15:12:00 They made the rooms and just sit in the thrones and wont move 15:12:14 has always acted as admin/mod for any number of channels and platforms 15:12:27 ^ by default, not because anyone wanted them to 15:12:53 Anyway, plowsof, this is your meeting. Stick to your agenda 15:13:00 will loop back to moderation issues, as Rucknium is undoubtedly wanting to share any BCH<->XMR atomic swap updates, and has asked to follow the agenda which has this listed later 15:13:14 I don't care, if he has been around for long. What are his contributions let's say? other than crying for CoCk? 15:13:42 siren: too many to mention (or me to remember) 15:14:21 PHCitizen created a proof-of-concept BCH<>XMR atomic swap. We are pending technical review for bounty payout. Another Monero Bounties success :D https://bounties.monero.social/posts/37/16-001m-bch-xmr-atomic-swaps 15:14:53 And there is a BCH Flipstarter (like a decentralized CCS) for a production-ready implementation: https://atomic-flip.pat.mn 15:14:55 the bounty was technically 'expired' .. thankfully it was not closed! 15:15:21 Yes, it took two years 15:15:56 is this the one where they need to test on mainnet, kaya gave it a once over? 15:16:16 the atomic swap bounty 15:16:24 flipstarter is a bch fundraising platform (with a twist) , was used to implement bch cashfusion into stackwallet. thank you for championing the project / raising awareness Rucknium 15:16:38 They did a mainnet tx but it needs to be reviewed if really atomic. 15:16:59 They executed a mainnet swap. kayaba did look at the idea, but he doesn't want to review like he did for ETH<>XMR atomic swaps. I think we need a BCH protocol developer to look at the details because it uses BCH scripts 15:17:08 AFAIK these are different guys than the gut who made the implementation on the bounty right? 15:17:19 So I will reach out to BCH devs. 15:17:42 > <@rucknium:monero.social> And there is a BCH Flipstarter (like a decentralized CCS) for a production-ready implementation: https://atomic-flip.pat.mn 15:17:42 In reply to @rucknium:monero.social 15:17:43 And there is a BCH Flipstarter (like a decentralized CCS) for a production-ready implementation: https://atomic-flip.pat.mn 15:17:43 AFAIK these are different guys than the guy who made the implementation on the bounty right? 15:18:46 hello 15:18:48 removed geonics mute on irc side, as im unable to play whackamole atm 15:18:52 unkn8wn69: A little complicated. bitcoincashautist wrote the core BCH contract about 6 months ago. Developed a few improved versions. Then PHCitizen was working on it. He slowed down. Then mainnet-pat worked on it when XMR delisting became a topic AFAIK. Then they both completed it at around the same time. 15:19:17 More info on the timeline in #monero-community-dev:monero.social 15:19:22 plowsof: to be honest, you taking supermod privileges and undermining other mods is fairly underhanded 15:19:33 <0xfffc:matrix.org> Hi everyone 15:19:41 One would have thought you could discuss with them first (unless you did) 15:19:43 Okay and how to make it fair? Giving out all to phcitizen wouldn't be fair no? Maybe ask phcitizen to make an agreement with the other devs. 15:20:04 we can loop back to the mod issue, i took the decision myself now to unmute geonic as i see there are several people in here already banned/muted in other channels 15:20:21 bitcoincashautist has already said to give it to PHCitizen. I will have to confirm with mainnet-pat that he is ok with that. 15:20:26 hello 0xfffc 15:20:34 in my humble opinion, i should be emperor of all monero platforms 15:20:47 in my humble opinion, i should be god-emperor of all monero platforms 15:20:55 super kami 15:21:25 Weeb Supremacy 15:21:43 thanks Rucknium 15:22:17 <0xfffc:matrix.org> I'm 0xfffffffc. 15:22:17 <0xfffc:matrix.org> i introduced myself a few months ago when i first got here. I was C++ dev in big tech. Working on a product with more than a billion active customers (chances are you are using it now), been working on Monero here and there and ramping up my work lately and have plan to work on Monero full time. 15:22:58 regarding #monero-beef > ChanServ- The #monero namespace is registered to the monero project, so only authorized contacts may register new channels. 15:23:00 have also completed 1 bounty @ bounties.monero.social, with another in progress, thank you! 15:23:02 Atomic swaps with a low-fee coin like BCH (or LTC) are important since high-fee BTC make atomic swaps difficult. Many recent unsatisfied users of BTC<>XMR atomic swaps. 15:23:20 we got OP in that channel to register it, but we will probably need either luigi1111 or binaryFate to register it after joining that channel 15:23:43 Datahorder, can we save that for after the meetinf 15:23:50 or like, dm's? 15:23:55 <0xfffc:matrix.org> Lately I have been following Monero closely lately. I think we have to have fair procedures for these banning. We cannot ban people so easily. 15:24:20 will come after the open CCS ideas 15:24:30 a. [Core Monero Concepts](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/412) 15:24:31 is vostoemisio here 15:24:36 yep. just informing progress there, either can poke in that room once able, or I'll come back after a day or so once I get time 15:24:44 ty DH 15:24:55 in my humble opinion, i should be god-emperor of all monero platforms <<>> +1 15:25:20 +1 to MB 15:25:42 let me know what you need about this channel, can do 15:25:52 Core Monero Concepts proposal, would move to funding requiring just 1 XMR (as it will absorb the remaining XMR from savandras prev. proposal) more info in my comment here more info on that in my comment here https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/412#note_22619 15:26:31 would or will move to funding? 15:27:10 could* if people want it to 15:27:20 yes please 15:27:34 Makes sense 15:27:46 just need vosoemisio to say 'check in' with us again.. its been a while 15:27:55 vostoemisio: 15:28:08 xenu 15:28:57 the other meetings , its a merge sentiment with a few adjustments where necessary to scripts / video ideas - however, as they plan to do 2 further videos, if the community isn't happy then there will be no follow up 15:29:17 moving on? 15:29:59 yeah. Come back if they arrive i guess? 15:30:12 b. [hinto-janai - full-time work on Cuprate (3 months)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/422) 15:30:16 they have always taken into account community input 15:30:57 this is true nioc, i prefer vosto/xenu over the previous anim. video team. 15:31:32 hinto: anything new for your proposal? 15:31:40 cuprate room has been pretty active 15:31:54 Detherminal, kaya, boog, hinto 15:32:08 #cuprate:monero.social 15:32:55 On hinto-janai: Sounds good to me. I wondered if hinto's time was more valuable working on Seraphis, but rbrunner said that now is not a good entry time for new Seraphis devs. So hinto can be productive on cuprate and especially documenting the C++ codebase. (I am not a real programmer). 15:33:07 Why not in monero space? 15:33:11 no irc room ofc 15:33:40 Niocat - create one (pls?) 15:34:00 can bridge later, np 15:34:02 i see thats done, thanks niocat 15:34:17 I joined just to look and then left 15:34:31 someone would need to help the handicapped lol 15:35:16 after meeting is fine :) 15:35:54 midipoet: Nothing of use eh https://github.com/sanecito 15:36:11 im +1 for cuprate funding, but if hinto ever feels overpaid i hope he donates to his compadres 15:36:37 thanks for clarifying the situation with hintos proposal Rucknium 15:37:01 Hey 15:37:22 siren: i am not sure what the definition "of use" means to you, to be honest. 15:38:00 Siren: speaking through each other on different topics sucks, and it will be brought up in a few mins 15:38:22 So let me write a short summary of our status atm (mine and Xenus), you can go along with the meeting whilst I get my laptop 15:38:47 thank you, in the meantime, hintos proposal has 2 thumbs up and no comments 15:38:51 I had seen weakened characters but plowsof's is the softest lil' biscuit who doesn't ban or confront anyone, ever. 15:39:20 Plowsof bans people all the time 15:39:31 He just says thank you, says yes and keeps grinding for piconeros. Poor Bri'ish people and their red buses... 15:39:40 midipoet: why so? it clearly means "of use for the monero community". I see no code or useful contributions online. I don't care about social media activity and crappy mod skills. 15:39:49 You just dont notice, because nobody complains, not even the person banned 15:40:00 plowsof was the one who banned lebanon 15:40:10 BAN OFRNXMR OR FACE THE FLAMES FROM THE INNER EARTH PLANET!!! 15:40:17 plowsof do better !!! 15:40:24 lolol 15:40:35 rotten, are you being serious right now? 15:40:45 I am super duper mega serious all the time! 15:40:50 Even sleeping I am serious! 15:41:00 sounds like sarcasm 15:41:13 Ofrn drop the banhammer in 3 or I'm fast dialing luigi and getting you expelled. 15:41:18 Chop chop. 15:41:31 while we wait for vosto to clarify things , instead of talking through each other, lets jump to another proposal, which the future of the CCS / monero project depends on (in the immediate short term and future) 15:41:31 <0xfffc:matrix.org> I really like plowsof approach to community management. Maximizing participation, minimizing drama. That is a correct approach imho 15:41:35 c. [tobtoht full-time feather + core development (3 months)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/428) 15:41:39 I think hintos work is important for the ecosystem as we need new implementation (rewrites) of our old and clumsy software. Its a good idea to fund it from my opinion 15:42:00 I agree on hinto(cuprate) 15:42:03 Merge tob and make Feather a statue. 15:42:06 Easy. 15:42:23 siren: fair enough. I am not going to justify xmrscott's "worth" to the community. you either take my word and others that have known them for quite a while, or you don't, and sit on your own judgement. it's totally up to you. If the goal here is to consistently conduct reputational attacks, then so be it. It's not a great look though, to be honest. 15:42:27 Only piece of software that makes XMR's spaghetti code look good. 15:42:45 (they really need to fix the onion routing for ccs. Cloudflare is annoying) 15:43:06 +1 merge tobtoht 15:43:19 i must stress that, because we have been given a timeframe ' ultimatum from luigi to have multisig ready for the ccs 3.0 wallet, tobtoht is forced to work on that task for the next 3 months 15:43:31 Just merge that shit, dammit. 15:43:56 +1 15:44:02 +1 hinto 15:44:03 +1 on tob feather is going great with constant improvements. 15:44:08 +1 tobtoht 15:44:18 namely multisig UX , with extra support from the community coming from https://bounties.monero.social/posts/83/15-500m-bitmessage-rival-or-re-write 15:45:03 (for tobtoht) 15:45:14 thank you all for feedback once again 15:45:19 midipoet: no, I asked you a legitimate question because I wanted to know why this person has so much power in a certain chat. I am here to promote my own community projects, namely the payment processor and the ATM. 15:45:33 looping back to the hot topic ^ - Calls for moderation on Matrix/IRC with a related meta-issue: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/899 15:45:48 once meeting(s) are done I'll have to cycle the bridge to add the new #monero-beef room, thanks for the quick work there :) 15:45:54 wait, let siren so ahead first i think 15:45:59 siren: then why not accept the answer i give you? Why bother asking if you aren't interested in the reply? 15:46:04 yes, siren please 15:46:09 atm + 15:46:34 Datahoarder can you do cuprate:monero.social > cuprate:libera.chat pls and thx 15:46:57 midipoet: you said you don't remember and there's nothing online. Wanted to confirm this is the correct person :) 15:47:02 Out of curiosity 15:47:25 will do add #cuprate, please plowsof register the room via ChanServ once able 15:47:48 thanks again 15:48:00 Can't be arsed to read all that, especially if it's written by Dan 🤐 r/dark (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate ), contains ofrnxmr verbal diarrhea and geonic's chronic mental retardation... 15:48:13 For point 7, bridge all Matrix rooms to IRC, all in. Please do it by yesterday. 15:48:16 Next point. 15:49:04 rotten are you dumb or just stupid 15:49:11 Yes. 15:49:14 what do you think is happening over the past few days 15:49:26 Xenu made a script for the node video but initial feedback wasn't 100% great from the community. Therefore, we decided to revise and present a new revised script based on the received feedback. Some things came up IRL for Xenu that made this take some time. 15:49:26 Just yesterday Xenu sent me a revised script and storyboard that I haven't had time to look over yet. 15:49:27 TLDR: We have been very slow and we apologize for that. However, we will present a new script in a few days and then ramp things up on both the production front and the second script. We got capacity ready and stand by to start production as soon as script have been approved. 15:49:27 Are there any questions? 15:49:34 I don't know, you tell us, Mr. I am online 24/7 writing insults everywhere. 15:49:42 I'm sure people love your attitude. 15:50:01 perfect vostoemisio 15:50:03 I can comment on the approach to moderation if people like. In general, I think people have been tired with the aggressive commentary that has occurred in the last few months, and I'm working with the other mods and the server admin to help keep the conversation in relevant rooms focused on Monero discussions, instead of name-calling, etc. 15:50:07 The linked table, the bridges rooms, the meta issue about matrix tasks,, the bans, everything is related, including dan and mattermost 15:50:26 sgp - step dowm. How about that 15:50:45 how about you ask the community if they like your moderation style 15:51:14 <0xfffc:matrix.org> Who defines “aggressive”? That is extremely slippery slope. Once we are on that road. There is no end. 15:51:33 Claims that xmrscott is useless is both wrong and offensive, I'm not sure why this is in the agenda. 15:51:47 (1) Contributors to the Monero codebase are supposed to follow a code of conduct: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/docs/CONTRIBUTING.md#project-administration . I don't know if people who don't contribute to the codebase are supposed to follow it. (2) IMHO, SGP should remove himself from all Monero community responsibilities. That includes MAGIC Grants. His cha 15:51:47 in analysis company is too much of a conflict of interest. (3) People will do what they want in this channel I guess, but if the noise to signal ratio stays too high I personally will just stop reading and participating here. Vote with feet. 15:52:13 It's not a death cult, we get to independently decide what is a rule violation on a case by case basis 15:52:29 Maybe there should be a formal monero discussion group, & a shitposting, meme, & rough housing chat group. 15:52:32 (1): Yes. Same concept applies to the Tor project or any other privacy project 15:52:33 +1 ruck.. 15:52:49 jordan - there are #xmrmemes #offtopic etc 15:53:00 +1 15:53:04 Lack of channels we don 15:53:12 msvb-lab just yesterday a series of actions took place (banning/muting) in response to calls for better moderation. that meta issue has some view points of those against decisions/actions being taken (both sides are represented) 15:53:22 Lack of channels we don't have, lol. Don't propose the creation of more... use what we got. 15:54:44 Okay plowsof, it's probably just that I didn't read through all the lines relating to moderation. xmrscott has never been of little use in any project he was part of, as far as I know. 15:54:47 If he made mistakes while moderating, then I didn't see that. 15:55:07 he muted dan for trying to get work done 15:55:20 I was just throwing a thought out there, I know ofrnxmr is a passionate debater but I don't think he should be completely banned honestly because the mantra of monero is to promote freedom, & combat censorship. 15:55:20