00:43:15 It says only 1 XMR is needed 00:48:30 sgp_: Funds from a different CCS are reallocated in addition to the 1 XMR iirc. 00:49:15 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/412 00:51:05 <123bob123:matrix.org> cheap 00:51:34 Oh nice, really only needs 1 XMR? Donating now 00:54:20 Done 01:29:58 To answer some of the questions earlier. 01:29:58 Recommended wallets can be found here 01:29:59 https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/ 01:29:59 I also personally would suggest Cake Waller, or Stack Wallet if you're looking to own more than just Monero. 01:30:00 The overwhelming majority of monero users presumably use it as Money, though like fiat money, it is generally wise to have a savings for Monero too, so yes in a way it is an investment, albeit risky, I would advise as with any cryptocurrency don't expect, hope for, or gamble on getting fiat gains. 01:40:16 Continuation of Core Monero Concepts - A Series of Animated Explainers is now fully funded! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/VOSTOEMISIO-Continuation-of-Core-Monero-Concepts-A-Series-of-Animated-Explainers.html @luigi1111 01:44:46 To answer some of the questions earlier. 01:44:47 Recommended wallets can be found here 01:44:47 https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/ 01:44:48 I also personally would suggest Cake Waller, or Stack Wallet if you're looking to own more than just Monero. 01:44:48 The overwhelming majority of monero users presumably use it as Money, though like fiat money, it is generally wise to have a savings for Monero too, so yes in a way it is an investment, albeit risky, I would advise as with any cryptocurrency don't expect, hope for, or gamble on getting fiat gains. 01:44:49 Stabilize your fiat situation first if possible (operating under the assumption you're living in a country with robust banking infrastructure, & relatively low inflation) but if you live in a country with weak banking infrastructure, & high inflation then take the risk, I guess. 01:44:49 Monero tends to be more price stable on average fluctuating between ~$130 to $180 in United States dollars (prices may vary) 01:44:50 Monero in theory could destabilize global banking, which will hurt individuals who are heavily invested into the conventional fiat system but having a new monetary system with predictable supply growth will over time make economic volatility less severe. 01:44:50 It depends on how you view economic thought, if you're Keynesian then fiat is ideal at governments can intervene in downturns, & give essential money to stimulate economic growth. 01:44:51 If you're more Chicago, or Austrian then Monero, & Bitcoin are more ideal, as they are currencies with limited supply, or the supply is decided by markets. 01:44:51 People are too used to a devaluing currency that becomes worthless, so in turn we over reacted, & made a fixed supply coin, which will more than likely appreciate which is Bitcoin, the downside of Bitcoin is that it doesn't provide markets with flexibility. 01:44:52 Monero is the sweet spot, it has a fixed supply growth but it's supply does grow, which is bad because a growing supply reduces the value of the money, however since coins are lost, people die, computers break, etc. there is enough coins lost too to offset that, so it keeps Monero stable overall. 01:44:52 Whereas Bitcoin will eventually (in theory) get to a point where the last coin will exist, and fiat endless printing exists. 01:44:53 Monero isn't gold, it won't go drastically up in value, it won't make you rich but it will preserve the value of what you have overall. 01:44:53 For me personally, I have bought pizza, burritos, hats, wine, meat bars (Aupa), wine (Blood of Tyrants), & commissioned artwork with Bitcoin, & Monero . 01:45:19 To answer some of the questions earlier. 01:45:19 Recommended wallets can be found here 01:45:20 https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/ 01:45:20 I also personally would suggest Cake Wallet, or Stack Wallet if you're looking to own more than just Monero. 01:45:21 The overwhelming majority of monero users presumably use it as Money, though like fiat money, it is generally wise to have a savings for Monero too, so yes in a way it is an investment, albeit risky, I would advise as with any cryptocurrency don't expect, hope for, or gamble on getting fiat gains. 01:45:21 Stabilize your fiat situation first if possible (operating under the assumption you're living in a country with robust banking infrastructure, & relatively low inflation) but if you live in a country with weak banking infrastructure, & high inflation then take the risk, I guess. 01:45:22 Monero tends to be more price stable on average fluctuating between ~$130 to $180 in United States dollars (prices may vary) 01:45:22 Monero in theory could destabilize global banking, which will hurt individuals who are heavily invested into the conventional fiat system but having a new monetary system with predictable supply growth will over time make economic volatility less severe. 01:45:23 It depends on how you view economic thought, if you're Keynesian then fiat is ideal at governments can intervene in downturns, & give essential money to stimulate economic growth. 01:45:23 If you're more Chicago, or Austrian then Monero, & Bitcoin are more ideal, as they are currencies with limited supply, or the supply is decided by markets. 01:45:24 People are too used to a devaluing currency that becomes worthless, so in turn we over reacted, & made a fixed supply coin, which will more than likely appreciate which is Bitcoin, the downside of Bitcoin is that it doesn't provide markets with flexibility. 01:45:24 Monero is the sweet spot, it has a fixed supply growth but it's supply does grow, which is bad because a growing supply reduces the value of the money, however since coins are lost, people die, computers break, etc. there is enough coins lost too to offset that, so it keeps Monero stable overall. 01:45:25 Whereas Bitcoin will eventually (in theory) get to a point where the last coin will exist, and fiat endless printing exists. 01:45:25 Monero isn't gold, it won't go drastically up in value, it won't make you rich but it will preserve the value of what you have overall. 01:45:26 For me personally, I have bought pizza, burritos, hats, wine, meat bars (Aupa), wine (Blood of Tyrants), & commissioned artwork with Bitcoin, & Monero . 01:53:16 does anyone know the exact voting system used in the Magic Monero Fund committee election? the name of the voting platform implies it's Condorcet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method), but the email says "ranked choice", which I presume refers to what's more broadly known as instant run-off (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting). the two even seem to be i 01:53:16 ncompatible systems, but I'm not exactly sure of that 01:53:32 The criticisms of Monero would be since it's private that means it's harder to verify it's supply, according to many it's possible but it's math intensive, whereas with Bitcoin you can easily verify the supply. 01:53:33 Without easy supply verification that means the market could hypothetically be flooded with news coins, making the currency less valuable than it what it's current price is. 01:53:33 Another criticism is it's privacy method, which is currently the ring method, it could theoretically be de-privatized but there are proposals that will address that issue. 01:53:34 Another criticism is that Monero isn't fast like other cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin, Bitcoin cash, & XRP, etc. but i mean 20 minutes for less than $0.10 is really minute. 01:54:29 <123bob123:matrix.org> sgp_: ^ 01:58:26 valentina_w: https://www.getmonero.org/community/merchants/ 01:58:27 Useful for getting Monero, & also be able to spend it. 01:58:43 valentina_w: https://www.getmonero.org/community/merchants/ 01:58:44 Useful for getting Monero, & also being able to spend it. 02:16:47 Most of this is #monero or #monero-offtopic 02:17:01 jordon_sanchez dangerousfreedom did a very in depth analysis of the possibility of an "inflation bug" and verifying the supply but I don't remember where it is 02:17:10 Also re supply, theres wownero too 02:17:24 Moneroinflation.com 02:17:56 thx I found that but it didn't seem correct :) 02:19:22 Btw why is the subreddit and Lemmy so inactive currently? We have like 3-5 posts a day combined 02:22:34 Blame sneedlewoods for forgetting passsword 02:23:33 And working in #no-wallet-left-behind 02:23:44 All work, no play makes a dull reddit 02:25:57 Yes probably right. I'm thinking of stuff I can do. Mb improve my polyseed shamir secret sharing tool. Or improving the decoy scanner (but this is probably against the community and not really needed for other than research) 02:27:45 Decoy scanner is all good. Just open source it 02:27:59 Pokkst and mysu.i2p 👍👍 02:29:03 Aight, because it's currently kinda sloppy (it does the job but yh) 02:29:12 p2pool.io/observer has tools as well. No harm 02:29:31 Wrong link 02:29:45 P2pool.observer 02:29:48 Yh p2pool.io down 02:30:26 https://p2pool.observer/sweeps 02:31:10 Interesting.. 02:31:56 I'm so annoyed because I wanted to use onion monero block explorer locally on tails. But I tried all day to get localhost working on tor browser but fuck it 02:32:55 Probably gonna need to install a separate minimal browser then. But offtopic sorry 02:34:47 those sweeps are able to be detected with high probability due to all outputs in p2pool blocks being exactly known 02:35:03 for example, see coinbase transaction here https://p2pool.observer/share/9f516212ea9d5683a94fbdcfd7dbab85c08cb1d5b896e9803f9aa2123b34b367 02:36:01 then someone goes and transacts... and 100% of the inputs have a decoy that is the same miner exactly https://p2pool.observer/transaction-lookup?txid=66e9b77decfbf0c60ce4c5de534eefa3ec52574fb8b088caa4cb15ddc06fbef0 02:36:27 146 inputs and 100% of them have one with the same miner... VERY VERY likely it's theirs 02:38:47 As long as they don't consolidate with any other input they're fine ig after sweeping 02:39:22 IMO all wallets need coin control. Sad that monerujo doesn't have 02:39:37 yeah, if done right they are fine 02:39:50 many don't and just keep their previous sweep along when transacting 02:41:50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iABIcsDJKyM 02:41:50 This episode of breaking monero honestly opened my mind. Since then very interested in the topic and how to make sure to keep txo's untraceable 02:50:09 Yes, there is ongoing research on it right now 02:50:38 statistical analysis against the group signatures iirc 02:52:50 Do you have resource on this? 02:55:23 https://monerofund.org/projects/eae_attack_and_churning 04:00:59 What do others think about Foundation Devices, Inc Bitcoin Hardware wallet? Read an Medium article saying it's has shady leaders with ties to obilisk. 04:06:25 Isn't seth working there 04:06:54 Yes 04:12:50 Ew 04:13:26 Jk. Foundation is currently btc only, but one if their devs have/had some bounties for monero development 04:14:16 I think the general consensus is that coldcard is popular but not foss, passport is like coldcard but foss 04:14:36 Blockstream jade is supposed to be a good one, but id feel like a sinner just owning one 04:15:58 Opinion from someone who hasnt touched btc since before seth joined foundation: foundation has the best btc-only wallet if you dont mind the security model (sd csrd etc) 04:16:11 s/wallet/hardware wallet 04:16:45 Disclaimer: ive never touched one, nor even watched a video of someone using one. YMMV 04:25:13 https://text.is/0W10 04:32:50 <123bob123:matrix.org> Hmm 04:33:28 <123bob123:matrix.org> Clean up in all isles 04:45:03 Hello, I need help compiling monero on openbsd 05:32:12 Continue 08:55:16 <4chanbro:matrix.org> how are my xmr chads 12:35:36 " Blame sneedlewoods for forgetting passsword" <- sorry for disappointing my monero town folks, but I'm trying to get gud as dev, to take a week off seraphis ETA 12:55:41 hey i learned SQL just to reset it ok 12:55:55 well i asked the ai 13:55:03 Is ther a specific language Monero is built in? 14:18:34 Looks like primarily C++ 14:19:47 C++ 82%, C 11.7%, Python 2.9%, others are negligible 14:44:04 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/RRyhokJyQVqSPVaSdrDomZXa 14:44:07 Hey all, 14:44:08 Here is our ( mine and x3nus ) revised script for the Nodes video. Please let us know your feedback and comments. 15:02:55 Would be cool to add monerosuite.org and or some simple node setup guide at the end or in description 15:09:01 in the description yes but please design expensive animated videos in a way that they dont get outdated easily 15:09:22 good example is the video on getmonero.org 15:27:14 monerosuite.org is awesome and speaks to just how resilient moenrod is 15:27:21 monerosuite.org is awesome and speaks to just how resilient monerod is 15:27:53 Agree 15:31:10 Is it down or does it block Tor? 15:31:42 nvm, it loaded just now 15:39:17 Yeah had hard time with it on tor aswell 15:39:30 For me never got it to load actually 15:40:11 But we need some arm alternative for the tor proxy docker. 15:40:27 Because I think many use single board computers for node 15:49:42 not sure, looks like it's hosted on Vercel 16:08:18 Unknown why do you need a tor proxy docker? 16:08:47 Or rather, why do you need docker? 16:09:11 I run nodes on arm (android) with tor, i2p, etc, without docker 16:31:22 Yes but docker is easier to manage. I'm running plain as well rn 16:52:31 I just have a bash script that starts a tor daemon with custom torrc (tor -f monerotorrc), starts monerod with a config file. Second bash script to shut it down. Can use cron to keep it up or to start at boot 16:53:15 Runs it in tmux too, so its easy to manage 18:44:12 Can you share? 18:51:22 sure. Give me a couple hrs, ill dm you. 18:52:48 maybe ill write the instructions out properly 19:00:56 Thank you bro 19:06:46 luigi thx 4 suggesting that thotbot change the xmr amount for their CCS due to the recent price decrease 19:07:27 https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/ 20:39:18 Do they reduce it if price increases at time of payout ? 20:40:11 once it moves to funding required the rate is set 21:23:30 nioCat: I set it to 14d ema not current price, it's way above the bounce still 21:34:05 tobtoht reverse bounce? lol 21:34:21 at lest it is better than b4 21:34:29 *at least 21:36:21 Staircase up elevator down 21:42:34 I have been researching methods for integrating Monero into a 'network state' -- the easy part is integrating Monero -- the hard part is formulating a network state government scheme -- also looking at how DAO's might be adapted to this this -- this is a good topic to develop. 21:44:44 <0xfffc:matrix.org> Does anybody know why repo.getmonero.org gives "You cannot create projects in your personal namespace. Contact your GitLab administrator." error? The fork button is disabled. 21:47:40 Probably due to all the spam 21:51:03 Whats the username for manual verification (could take time) otherwise, dont try to link your GH account, instead make an account on our gitlab instance instead, then it should work 21:54:43 <0xfffc:matrix.org> plowsof: yes, I believe that was the problem. I deleted and created a new account and I have permission to fork now. Thanks. 22:11:53 it's an issue with using a github sign-in only 22:15:16 <123bob123:matrix.org> also doesnt let you use simplelogin email either to register 22:16:15 Premium or standard domains 22:30:56 <123bob123:matrix.org> Both 22:31:06 <123bob123:matrix.org> Github wankers stopped it too