03:36:16 Does localmonero have a matrix room? 03:41:14 Yes. #localmonero:agoradesk.com 03:44:10 That didn't seem to work when I searched for it 04:00:13 Ok I got it thank you 08:10:14 escapethe3RA Monero Observer maintenance (2024 Q1) is now fully funded! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/escapethe3ra-monero-observer-2024-q1.html @luigi1111 11:14:06 MoneroKon planning meeting today @ 17:00 UTC - https://agenda.monerokon.org 14:06:53 Community meeting here in <1 hour https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/962 15:00:23 Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/962 15:00:28 greetings! 15:00:38 Hello. 15:00:39 Hi 15:00:49 hi 15:02:25 monerokons sponsor page showing that several sponsors have already signed up https://monerokon.org/sponsor , only a few slots left 👀 15:03:24 👍️ 15:04:18 MAGIC has put vtnerd forward for funding. Rucknium has poured many hours into this funding platform. xmr/btc/fiat can be donated with featherwallet integration. https://monerofund.org/projects/Q1Q2_2024_dev_vtnerd 15:05:03 Test.. 15:05:06 K hi 15:05:17 tobtoht doing wonderful work by adding these platforms into featherwallet.. now includes bounties / ccs and magic 15:07:05 please share any highlights you wish to be discussed 15:07:57 https://github.com/nahuhh/basicswap-bash/releases/tag/v0.0.8-5 is a series of bash scripts from ofrnxmr to , as i understand it, setup/use/launch basicswapdex with remote monero nodes? 15:09:23 can use remote or local, but just makes it easier to setup via prompts instead of their broken instructions (or docker) 15:10:10 without this, xmr swaps on basicswapdex is broken? 15:10:13 Simplifies the install to copy paste > follow prompts 15:10:16 Thanks, ofrn. I read that people could not get it to run 15:10:35 so we should definitely not list basicswapdex on getmonero until this is fixed 😅 15:11:02 Xmr swaps work 👍, just getting it to install was an issue 15:13:45 so we definitely need more people to start using/testing basicswap dex. and ofrnxmr's is a handy entry for linux users,thanks. we need around 5-10 gb free disk space to begin? (for ltc?) 15:13:47 What is basicswapdex's business model? They don't get any revenue from the atomic swaps, right? 15:14:53 You can prune ltc and others down to 550mb. But yeah, around 10gb free space, + a reliable remote node, is enough to get started 15:15:04 0 from the swaps 15:15:20 good question, its possible they are swapping coins at a markup themselves? 15:15:49 They make $ on particl staking, and tx fees from part 15:16:08 When they asked for ETH<>XMR atomic swaps help they said "I can't promise much at this stage in terms of renumeration however if you are interested in helping, it's worth chatting to our team directly" https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1ag20s6/looking_for_help_to_develop_xmreth_atomic_swap/ 15:16:21 hopefully the bch guys actually make it work https://nitter.soopy.moe/mainnet_pat/status/1751272578159644733 15:16:25 I alnost guarantee they are acting as market makers on there (tip. For testing, my ltc>xmr price is lower than trocador) 15:17:06 Eth and doge are in codebase, so i assume support coming soon 15:17:18 That would make sense. But with more market makers, their markup would disappear mostly. 15:17:23 We can add bch, and imo, should have a long time ago 15:17:25 pinodexmr dev wants to make eth-xmr swaps easier to use / integrate them into pinode , UX++ is always appreciated 15:18:09 SPV + monero remote nodes also for a lightweight client would be ideal 15:19:05 Yes. I fell asleep before working on eletrum, but you should be able to use remote nodes for ltc and other chains. Once i get that solved, my script will let you use remote for all 15:19:07 Eth Xmr swaps have been live through PiNodeXMR since august. Yes, just trying to make the interface better. 15:19:08 Also hoping the new interface may be of interest to he MoneroNodo team for them to implement swaps too. 15:19:51 thanks shermand100 https://github.com/shermand100/PiNodeXMR 15:20:12 IMHO, adding a low-fee EVM chain plus stablecoins would help the ETH<>XMR usage. 15:21:15 Requested here recently: https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1ah77ml/monero_usdt_swap_instead_of_btc/ 15:21:58 do people self custody usdt? 15:22:04 noot/elizabethereum implemented ERC-20 swaps in the codebase. AFAIK, it just has not been set up. 15:22:19 plowsof no 15:22:56 Look at bisq volume. Even serai is dai only 15:23:04 and usdt can block transactions lol 15:23:27 Ok, so implement Dai instead 15:23:38 as kaya said yesterdat, usdt/usdc are a threat to the exchange 15:23:42 maybe we could add "every time a monero atomic swap is blocked" to this bounty https://bounties.monero.social/posts/99/1-000m-freeze-interactions-bot-notifier 15:25:00 but haveno will be built on monero :( 15:25:06 no dai needed 15:25:29 I need to have a talk with haveno about their attempted coup 15:25:37 updates for the ccs onion url + weblate: no progress has been made since last meeting 15:26:02 I was surprised that woodser intended to implement the Engine idea after all this time and changes. 15:26:16 we can try again between now and the next meeting - then call it a day / hire help 15:27:00 i think we all need a refresher from woodser about this engine setup 15:27:08 it was a very complex graph with many arrows 15:27:11 Its trash. Simple as that 15:27:38 Its 3/5 people are hand picked, 2 community folks, and they run a competitor to ccs 15:28:16 everyone hates the ccs and wants to decentralise it so i guess its a good thing 15:28:32 Thats not decentralizing it 15:28:43 Thats almost privatizing it 15:28:50 Adding bureaucracy when Haveno is needed ASAP seems like not a great idea. IIRC the Engine idea was when the UI was going to be made from scratch. AFAIK, the front end is mostly the same as Bisq. 15:28:54 also sharing one more time vtnerd fund raiser https://monerofund.org/projects/Q1Q2_2024_dev_vtnerd and a self doubting comment 15:29:16 bottom of comments here: https://bounties.monero.social/posts/90/6-200m-implement-monero-light-wallet-server-client-library-for-android-native vtnerd has forgotten he can fly 15:29:22 Regardless of what happens with vt and magic, id like to that that id be happy if he came back 15:30:10 If things work out, great. Id still like him on ccs. Far better for discussion/feedback etc 15:30:39 To fragment isnt to compliment. Haveno shoukd just yolo that much into the het fund 15:30:48 And their engine council should come vote 15:30:52 would be nice for a small update from luigi1111 about his 'offline tx signing' adventures also (on the subject of the ccs) 15:31:22 Luigi confirms "funds are safu" 15:32:11 ive heard people may encounter issues with drivers for e.g. built in webcams.. usb ports etc if you are attempting a clean OS install otherwise OK 15:32:12 Maybe the Core General Fund could donate to the vtnerd fundraiser 🫣. It has not donated much to CCSes since they get funded quickly. 15:32:37 Its not donated to much bcuz theyre cheapasses 15:32:52 Rucknium i suggested the community look at what core has donated to and decide to pre fund similar proposals with a similar % but nioCat said NO 15:32:58 A lot of the last round waa supposed to be funded by general/jetfund, but none of it was 15:33:30 that was supposed to be the "general fund workgroup" decentralise everything pillot 15:33:53 ArticMine says he supports the MAGIC Monero Fund. Maybe that is one vote for the Core General Fund to help fund the vtnerd fundraiser. 15:34:01 oook 15:34:03 Look 15:34:28 Sgp and me dont agree on this one, but afaict 8282 means ccs cant donate 15:34:56 Tax reporting obligations of donor orgs who dispost of the donation within 3 yrs must report 15:35:23 I think those formed need to be filled and filed only if the donor wants a tax deduction. Doesn't apply to the general fund. 15:35:59 No one gets a tax deduction for donating to the CCS nor the Core general fund. 15:36:20 (letting things roll over as 3/4 ccs proposals have been merged already. congrats hinto / escapethe3ra / 0xFFFC ) 15:36:27 Anyway, SGP updated the info on the website to be more specific when people want a tax deduction. 15:36:47 https://monerofund.org/faq 15:37:01 "If you would like to receive a tax deduction, we may need to collect supplementary information such as your name and email for required record keeping. If you donate over $500 with cryptocurrencies, you will need to fill out Form 8283 and email that form to info⊙mo for us to sign Part V." 15:37:06 Sgp said its "may", if they want to claim a deduction. But reading 8282 doesnt sound like its"may" for the donee org (of course im ill informed, so lets carry on) 15:37:16 Damn, there is a typo in the email address I just noticed 15:37:32 You can tell SGP wrote it because it has a typo. 15:37:32 See??? All my noise finds problems ❤️ 15:37:40 lol 15:37:46 Sometimes yes 15:37:56 Like "Contentt" on rpc docs 15:38:44 now then boog900 has an open proposal for cuprate work. this is the first meeting to bring it up 15:38:52 first 15:38:54 Lets mention 15:39:10 Congrats to hinto on his first curprate ccs 15:39:26 https://github.com/Cuprate/cuprate/issues - he recently clarified licensing 15:39:26 And congrats to 0xfffc on beginning his first venture into ccs 15:39:33 hinto has been awol for 6~ days 15:39:49 hopefully he didnt starve to death 15:40:00 I thought he works 24hr/day 15:40:03 https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/ 15:40:42 Rucknium ^ the licensing discussion may interest you 15:40:58 d. [Boog900 full time work on Cuprate (3 months)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/431) 15:41:38 for matrix users licensing was discussed here yesterday https://matrix.to/#/!zPLCnZSsyeFFxUiqUZ:monero.social/$WNGCb0NcAhIgmwKWdbP8BSd21UQno_kPhfFcLMzaPWw?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=kyun.host 15:42:31 every crate not in the eventual `/cuprate` sub-dir is MIT 15:42:35 oh, a meeting 15:42:40 I don't have strong opinions on licensing, especially on code that it outside my work area. 15:42:46 `/cuprate` doesn't exist yet 15:43:13 Not really `/cuprate` has been AGPL for a while, what will change now are the crates specific to Cuprate will now be MIT instead of AGPL, like the DB and some P2P code. 15:43:20 (I removed `/cuprate` a couple weeks ago as it didn't contain anything but it was AGPL and the plan was, when it was added back in, to make it AGPL) 15:43:46 maybe its a good clarification for kayabanerve 15:44:11 do we wait for the cuprate devs to thumb up boog900's proposal then merge it or just merge it now 15:44:26 Re boog: 3 months instead of 2, including coordinating the cuprate workgroups etc. At a glance, lgtm. 15:44:28 we had no feedback from -dev on hintos proposal so i guess there are no blockers 15:44:44 Hinto was merged yest 15:45:59 working 50 hours a week can lead to burnouts, something we do not want for the future of cuprate 15:46:09 <0​xfffc:matrix.org> Thanks. I am so happy to be part of Monero community. 15:46:11 hours = lies 15:46:52 Like mj billing "2hrs on toilet, 13hrs ar meetings" 15:48:12 Just because it takes ofrnxmr 5 days longer to solve a problem != he should get paid 5 days more pay than plow 15:49:27 We will pay by lines of code then :P 15:49:41 50hrs/week = let me not make it look like im asking for 70/hr 15:49:45 This is an unsolved problem in labor economics. 15:50:03 Hinto went to the extreme and claimed 3/hr at 24hrs/day 🙈 15:50:28 I understand your point. IMHO, we need closer review of what has been done by qualified people, but is there an incentive for them to perform the review? 15:50:29 Ruined it for everyone 15:50:49 I think im ok with simply trusting the dev 15:51:00 i work 3 hours per day. as 4 hours would entitle me to a paid lunchbreak which is a waste of community funds and detrimental to my health 15:51:11 If you say you want 40xmr/mth for this work. Ok. Dont lie to me about how many weeks its going to take you 15:51:34 8 hours would be 2 full ohurs of all you can eat ... this is simply unsustainable 15:52:40 (psst, selsta, small issue with your merge request, seems like your branch is == master) 15:53:10 hmmmm 15:53:15 will fix it 15:53:53 And um 15:54:22 Plowsof ccs needs to be ended/collected for jan 24 (quit it with your 6 months / half rate) 15:54:41 s/ended/renewed 15:55:52 And selsta needs a raize 15:55:57 ive been busy being the website coordinator 15:56:12 need to get merges done then return to ccs sorry for my absence 15:56:19 We have 200xmr /yr available for site work 15:56:40 e. selsta part-time monero development (3 months) 15:56:41 (3 months) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/432 15:56:43 And Bounties coordinator. Maybe expand your formal scope. 15:57:05 Ruck - he needs to collect his pay too 🙈 15:57:30 Hes litetally does his full scope for half rate EVERYTIMEEE . Then adds on much much extra 15:58:11 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/433 <-- correct source branch now 15:58:27 thanks selsta 15:58:46 selsta new merge request for a further 3 months +1 16:00:21 just missing the amount: in the front matter selsta 16:01:30 done 16:02:19 my 4 year plan includes a period of 'what does plowsof even do' so keeping the extra things quiet so reddit hates me, means i have to be saved by the community and obtain a second wind 16:03:08 i have also accepted my weight gain and stopped wearing jeans so more community funds will not help me 16:03:43 ok voting on selsta if anyone is still here / later 16:04:28 ajs_ is moving at lightning speed over at events, putting all the pieces together 16:06:43 any other business? thank you all for attending 16:06:55 Offline signing works fine just have to use an external webcam 16:07:15 You're welcome and dankon very much for the good moderation and great meeting. 16:07:16 great to hear , thanks for the update luigi 16:07:31 thanks msvb, who is currently : FOSDEM?? 16:07:48 Yes. 16:08:14 We distributed Kastelo enclosures but they ran out in twenty minutes. 16:08:21 wow 16:08:28 luigi1111: Would Core consider donating to vtnerd's fundraiser from the General Fund? https://monerofund.org/projects/Q1Q2_2024_dev_vtnerd 16:08:36 So we are just walking around now with nothing to do and it's raining outside. 16:11:08 lol thank you for your sacrifices msvb 16:11:23 Does that require kyc? 16:12:17 only if the general fund wants a tax deduction -> ping Rucknium 16:12:23 l​uigi1111: Donors do not have to KYC. Recipients of the fund (vtnerd in this case) do have to KYC. 16:13:04 please note that MAGIC put forward the proposal without any community discussion 16:13:09 luigi1111 not really YOUR problem, in any case 16:13:15 If any problems, it would be magics 16:13:23 as they are a separate entity 16:13:39 Ah. I don't run the genfund but can talk to bf 16:13:41 also that vtnerd wants feedback 16:14:11 so who wants to join the general fund workgroup :( 16:14:22 Thanks luigi 16:14:54 if anyone would like to vote on selsta merge request while they are here , please do so 16:15:14 oh of course. Selsta ks due for renewal tol right? 16:15:25 yes, some issue with it not displaying but its up now 16:15:32 Ok MAGIC will do more community discussion next time. 16:15:39 Too*. Id just ask selsta to give themself a small raise if they havent 16:15:53 +1 selsta 16:16:07 cuprate setting new standards for dev pay 16:16:17 ofrnxmr: should I change it to 50€? 16:16:33 in the case of vtnerd's proposal - he has so many things he is capable of doing so many things (like tobtoht) its best to let them have an idea of where people want them to focus their time on 16:16:35 I think MAGIC has done enough community discussion in MRL about the University of Zurich proposal. And gotten feedback from isthmus and ACk-J 16:18:30 selsta yes 16:19:37 selsta moving from 112 > 124 xmr, sound good? Rucknium plowsof 16:19:55 yes 16:20:21 sorry wrong account, yes 16:20:33 😂 16:20:39 On that topic, has anyone else noticed that jeffro256 is working on a lot of non-Seraphis/Jamtis things now, but his CCS said he would work on Seraphis/Jamtis? 16:21:06 If rbrunner and seraphis arent complaining, imo its ok. Hes fixing issues 16:21:49 why work on core/serpahis when theres 50 hours a week on cuprate 16:22:19 I think a lot of Monero devs are underpricing themselves. 112 -> 124 XMR for Selsta is an improvement. 16:22:27 rucknium: he is currently working on something I asked 16:22:47 Thanks for the info, selsta. 16:23:04 i think we can have an open end to the meeting here? 16:23:20 sorry for going over 16:23:32 yep. Selsta to merge afer rate change 16:23:44 Whats the consensus on boog? 16:23:58 #monero-events:monero.social meeting in 1 hour 30 mins~ 16:24:18 what was the consensus on hinto? 16:24:21 you sure it's not 30 minutes 16:24:30 +1 selsta 16:25:33 Lol 16:25:52 events meeting at 1700 UTC 16:25:55 ty everyone 16:26:02 This is incorrect 16:26:36 sgp_: Please give luigi and bF any info they need to consider a general fund donation to vtnerd's fundraiser 16:26:50 8282 means ccs can't donate -> This is incorrect 16:26:52 And IRC cannot see what Matrix message you are replying to 16:27:05 Ok 16:27:43 MAGIC can receive donations without info from the donor, but we do need info if that donor will claim a deduction. That's where those forms come into play 16:28:14 and consensus on boog, this is the first its been brought up. a comment from those who care about licensing perhaps? kayabanerve? can serai benefit form a AGPL 'cuprate' folder? 16:28:22 The confusion on the wording that is being referenced to is coming up because ***usually*** people donate and expect a tax deduction. People rarely forgo the deduction of they can qualify for one 16:28:44 *if 16:28:44 sgp_: Please give luigi and bF any info they need to consider a general fund donation to vtnerd's fundraiser <= it doesn't look like we need anything. I'll talk to bf 16:29:04 Correct, it's unlikely you need anything 16:30:13 "8282 means ccs can't donate " 👀 did i say this today? 16:30:49 👍️ By "any info" I meant confirmation here that no KYC of donors is needed. 16:31:22 If so, must have still been half asleep. i thought i had corrected myself by now, that they csn donate and _if_ there were any obligations, they wouldnt be of generalfund 16:31:24 The only info from donors needed is if the donor will claim a tax deduction 19:41:43 "I'll help anyone interested on how to earn 100k in just 24hours from the crypto market. 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