03:09:29 Okay, testnet coins on their way. 0.02 XMR in fee 🥶 05:26:33 Which wallet do you think is better? The cake wallet or monerujo? 05:26:51 Also have any of you heard things about Unstoppable Wallet? 07:18:09 both are great wallets. Personally i use Monercom (By cakewallet) 07:24:08 might be closed source 07:24:44 ive only ever heard of them because it was the only functioning zcash wallet at the time and i needed an address to post for a giveaway 07:24:57 still remember that it was really clunky and ugly though 07:34:25 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/kernal.eu/SxXUGSeVDSUHUDybyfpyhSNO 07:34:39 Binance is officially delisting XMR on 2024-02-20. https://www.binance.com/en/support/announcement/binance-will-delist-ant-multi-vai-xmr-on-2024-02-20-f73b083ba6834771b07dbe5319917ae5 07:38:02 finally 07:40:52 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/MUMyfsktVAlBwCrsXcAoPOWy 07:41:32 I just found this thing. No XMR 😎 Other exchanges here does sport XMR. 08:30:17 finally 08:30:38 i might just go all in 08:31:36 Can you hold USDT in cakewallet? 08:56:42 <123bob123:matrix.org> Dunno have a look in wallet 08:57:22 YES. good riddance. what a gift for the 10th birthday of Monero! 08:58:50 Yeah im new to the Cake Wallet game Dan, im trying to separate my XMR, I guess I make a new wallet inside Cake? 09:10:10 Usually when they delist a coin like this on big exchange how long does it take to stabilize? 09:11:10 binance is THE cex 09:11:28 Is it true that Binance is delisting Monero? What does today's plunge mean? 09:11:46 yup 09:11:51 2 weeks from now 09:11:55 announced today 09:12:09 <123bob123:matrix.org> What date will be the party? 09:12:38 You bringing tacos? 09:12:39 20th 09:12:50 Should I sell it now? 09:13:18 If Monero is delisted from Binance, there will be no place to trade it in the future. 09:13:42 Am i right? 09:14:03 if you don't know other places, it doesn't mean there are no other places 09:17:53 Kraken is still there 09:18:18 And there are still other non-cex platforms 09:18:37 Kraken will delist it 09:18:54 [[Citation needee]] 09:18:58 *needed 09:20:43 https://serai.exchange 09:20:52 or https://seraiswap.finance lmao 09:21:24 bad move 09:21:35 how people didnt see this coming is beyond me 09:21:41 https://twitter.com/RosenBridge_erg/status/1754778322062753876 09:21:57 is that a real bridge 09:22:02 or like secrets garbage? 09:22:14 no idea 09:22:26 but like I said on reddit, if there's demand there WILL be supply 09:22:41 Binance, Kraken can delist every day if they want 09:23:10 It's too late to stop Monero simply by delisting on some centralized exchange 09:23:51 as long as serai doesnt blow up there is no reason to be concerned 09:24:36 and even if it does, monero will still work 09:24:44 but id really dont like that to happen 09:26:08 Monero is a bigboy now. 09:29:20 I had been saving up some Monero and was planning to sell it for $190 today, but it plummeted more than 20% in just one day. It feels like lightning struck 09:29:29 Delistings should encourage us to build circular/parallel/alternative/underground/grey/black markets. 09:29:36 $190? lol 09:29:47 it didn't have this price for a long time, why did you expect 190? 09:30:03 Save 20 XMR, and wait 20+ years. 09:30:03 Expect it in March probably, after Binance situation blows over 09:30:53 Anything over 20 XMR spend, and replace. 09:34:07 anything over, put up for liquidity 09:34:13 thats the real move 09:34:28 What do you mean? 09:35:13 put it up for trade on samourai swaps, set up a market maker script on basicswapdex, put it in a serai liquidity pool once thats live 09:35:15 etc 09:35:26 Masses being impulsive sheep as always. 09:35:45 <123bob123:matrix.org> So no moon? 09:35:47 Fud does wonders on the masses 09:35:53 Like a Monero equivalent to The Stock Market? 09:36:01 well 09:36:05 Buy DogElon 09:36:08 monero is traded 09:36:12 and trading needs liquidity 09:36:53 I mean XMR > USD/Fiat though. 09:37:17 you can provide liquidity for that too 09:37:21 Bisq is a decentralized exchange for pairs with BTC, including fiat. the XMRBTC pair has been working since May 2016. https://bisq.network 09:37:24 its just a lot more manual lol 09:37:43 i would not recommend bisq at this point in time 09:37:57 just use samourai swaps or wait for haveno 09:38:14 Haveno mainnet nowww!! 09:38:25 why? 09:38:38 <123bob123:matrix.org> Soon™️ 09:38:50 they take feees and are p2p. samourai swaps doesnt take fees and is atomic 09:39:31 Do you mean like swaps, like from BCH to XMR, or something? 09:39:36 yeah 09:40:21 in a very simplified way: if you have monero, you can make it available for others to trade 09:40:39 you just need a solid plan 09:41:20 if you have a solid, thought-out strategy, the risk of providing liquidity can be really minimized 09:42:23 Kind of like how someone else borrows a share while short selling stocks? 09:42:30 for example if you had a place to dump dirty bitcoins for spot price, you cant really loose anything by selling monero through samourai swaps for a 1% premium 09:43:22 as long as you account for spikese in transaction fees, have a sane minimum trade amount and dont just go offline for long stretches of time 09:48:22 fees are negligible (if you pay the fee in BSQ, taker fee is 0.575%, maker is 0.075%), malicious trade partners are very rare, and if you run into one, the Bisq DAO will reimburse your loss. Samourai swaps are a great initiative, but it's BTC-only and for now serves takers only in the BTC->XMR direction. 09:49:00 well 09:49:00 youre still paying fee + spread 09:49:10 and bisq is also btc-xmr only 09:49:42 youll pay a ton of tx fees and wait forever with bisq 09:49:43 and need to get BSQ 09:49:47 literally just wait for haveno lol 09:52:05 you can eliminate the spread if you market make. if you want to just fill an order, you can do that in *both* directions. and then on the same platform you can off-ramp into fiat. buying BSQ is 3 clicks, if you are impatient, you can pay higher fees 09:52:57 I'm looking forward to Haveno and to ditching Bisq, but I wanted to mention solutions that are available now 09:53:14 Haveno can't arrive sooner. 09:53:33 give it a handful of weeks 09:53:52 2 moar werkd 09:53:56 Weeks* 09:56:13 Hi, sorry to disturb you monerobull could you approve my reddit post. The bot categorized it as trading related 💀 09:56:21 sure 09:56:57 approved 09:57:14 (no approvals needed on monero.town btw ;D) 09:57:47 you're right I should do an account 09:58:08 let me know once youve done so 09:58:13 there is actually 1 approval needed and thats for the initial account 09:59:04 I wont until tomorrow so you can chill 10:00:46 what is atomic? 10:01:33 Only two, cryptographically secured outcomes 10:01:48 You either get the coins or the trade fails 10:02:15 No bullshit like on bisq where you could receive only partial amounts 10:03:10 oh ok, do you set up the Samourai whirlpool-gui for this? 10:03:33 no 10:03:35 I swear if BasicSwap was stable and running on deskto p (or web) everyone would be using it 10:03:41 you need samourai wallet app 10:04:01 and then https://code.samourai.io/wallet/comit-swaps-java/-/releases/0.0.18-beta 10:04:03 I stopped using Samourai wallet when they removed the price indicator 10:04:03 Lovera "personally i use monerocom by cakewallet" they also sponsor you, dont forget to mention that 😄 10:04:27 Ok I see 10:04:33 monerobull: you seem to have a real beef with Bisq. can you go into details as to why? btw, what you said is incorrect, there are no "partial amounts" in failed trades 10:04:36 personally i use https://trocador.app/en/?ref=YFJL36Szy7 10:05:05 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/uArGSvngWNcoZVMnjNlHXrXu 10:05:05 arbitrators can decide partial payouts, no? 10:05:26 Don’t worry Kevin O’ Leary will save us. 10:06:42 Wait is that better to use than Samourai? 10:06:58 oh, you mean that. yes, they can. however, if you were scammed by the trading partner (so the trade failure wasn't because you didn't deliver on your duties), you get 100% 10:07:02 bisq is just damn slow and expensive because its based on btc. they show zero regard for monero, their pair with the most volume, just because maxis will cry when they arent "bitcoin only" anymore 10:07:15 not in a technical sense 10:07:34 in a practical sense it is but its going through centralized instant swappers 10:08:02 its easier to use but compared to atomic swaps, incredibly insecure 10:08:28 Now I don't know whether to use Trocador.app or Samourai. Although im looking at Trocador.app it seems pretty nice 10:08:47 and you can just use there web browser for it? 10:08:49 you just have to know this: 10:09:00 sending 100k of tainted bitcoin through trocador will likely get it frozen 10:09:02 you just needed to say bisq is damn slow. BECAUSE HELL IT IS DAMN SLOW. 10:09:07 Ahh 10:09:27 No one use bisq because of that 10:09:28 sending 100k of tainted bitcoin through atomic swaps, youll make the swap and thats it. 10:10:13 everyone remember when a genius sent some cents of tainted ether (out of Tornado Cash) to ban wallets of celebrities 10:10:50 yeah although that is mainly a problem thanks to the account model 10:11:02 which ironically makes eth itself more fungible 10:12:35 yes, it's slow. still, it works for a wide range of amounts, up to quite large. I'm looking forward to Serai and Haveno launching in production and reaching the same level of functionality. 10:13:30 @monerobull when downloading this https://code.samourai.io/wallet/comit-swaps-java, it says I need whirlpool installed is that right? 10:15:06 Well, actually its a batch file I tried to run 10:15:16 no, you dont need anything else 10:15:19 just the samourai app 10:15:20 Yeah your right 10:15:33 download from here https://code.samourai.io/wallet/comit-swaps-java/-/releases 10:16:25 set up the mobile wallet, export pairing load, launch with abs, backup the monero wallet and youre good to go 10:17:44 Ok I will try this, im a little new and trying to get more xmr and not that tech savy, but i think I can try. 10:18:24 if youre only looking to buy xmr with bitcoin, then you dont even need to launch the abs 10:18:39 no. more looking to buy with USDT 10:18:44 oh ok 10:18:51 in that case id recommend tradeogre 10:18:51 is that better you think? 10:19:27 tradeogre is also a centralized exchange but probably the best option for USDT to xmr 10:19:49 I guess I could always convert my USDT to BTC 10:20:14 yeah but then you might as well convert it to XMR directly 10:20:44 Its a KYC exchange? 10:20:47 no 10:21:22 You think I get a better deal on tradorge than going through LocalM? 10:21:34 probably 10:22:51 Is there a wallet you recommend to hold USDT? I'm trying to take my USDT out of big exchange and move it over. 10:24:13 if ERC20, take a look at Frame.sh 10:24:57 ledger + metamask 10:25:05 although i dont like ledger all that much 10:25:21 I was going to say, I heard some bad things about ledger 10:26:01 I'm guessing there is no good way to not tie it to my big exchange the USDT i take out, so I can switch a good amount of it to XMR? 10:28:30 well 10:28:45 it will be visible that you deposit to tradeogre 10:29:11 trying to mitagate paper trail if I can 10:29:52 thats the problem with transparent chains, you cant 10:31:30 No kind of wallets help mitigate taking your coins from a big exchange and then transferring to different wallets maybe, I don't know if thats a thing? 10:32:33 you could tornado it but thats quite technical and probably worse than just sending to tradeogre 10:35:43 Ok I see, I would like to send some to cake wallet just because I use that for XMR, but wasn't sure if thats a good idea 10:36:15 Sure you can send from exchange to cake to ogre 10:36:28 Wait 10:36:33 Do you have eth on cake? 10:37:01 Not yet 10:37:10 The cheapest would be to send directly from exchange to ogre and withdraw via TRON 10:37:13 I have a little ETH on big exchange 10:37:31 If you send it to cake first, you'll need to approve the USDT token which costs eth 10:38:10 Ogre gives you a regular address to deposit to, I'd withdraw directly from the exchange to there 10:39:01 Oh ok 10:39:36 Like you said, it doesn't matter if I send it to a CakeWallet first, then send it to ogre it isn't going to hide anything I guess 10:40:15 With transparent chains you can’t hide anything 😅 10:41:25 There's no easy way out, lol 10:42:25 Put a nft on sale, buy it yourself 10:43:05 Oh true, I have to learn how to make an NFT now 10:44:44 Is there recommended where to get started with putting and NFT for sale? 10:49:35 USDT is very unsafe. If you must keep a stablecoin, you should consider USDC on Stellar network. You can use LobStr wallet+LobStr vault. You can keep LobStr wallet on one device and LobStr vault on another device. You can also withdraw cash at select Moneygram outlets. 10:51:34 Oh, interesting, I only got USDT because I didn't want to put my gains back into Fiat and I thought there was more pairings for USDT 10:55:48 Fed might take some action against Tether. Even JP Morgan issued a warning about USDT this week. You are better off with USDC. 10:57:43 <123bob123:matrix.org> If you like the de pegging 10:57:56 Ok, yeah that's true, there getting quite big now, and goverment doesn't like that to much, and they only have something like 60 employees and are worth billions now. Kinda crazy 11:00:57 You can actually convert any currency into a stablecoin. You can buy Monero in the spot market and short it in the futures market at the same price. In fact, you will likely earn some funding fees. 11:02:02 Oh yeah, that's a good idea, what exchange would you do that at? 11:03:17 Binance will continue with continue with XMRUSDT futures. It is a good option. 11:03:37 Binance will continue with XMRUSDT futures. It is a good option. 11:04:15 I can't get on Binance, unless they are doing non-kyc 11:05:20 I did tried to apply to Binance US, but they wouldn't approve me, but they probably don't do XMRUSDT futures in the US anyway 11:05:24 CoinEx doesn't require KYC. 11:07:04 Ok im looking at that, do you use CoinEX? 11:07:31 Yes. It has very low fees. 11:08:08 The app is also very good. You can use Authenticator for verification. 11:08:42