10:11:23 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> https://nitter.poast.org/AlexAnarcho/status/1755125890575450220
14:47:03 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> Still links to/ recommend changelly 👎️
14:54:51 <m-relay> <p​rancing389:matrix.org> I'll work exclusively for Monero when I can live on Monero for everything, my groceries, petrol, utilities, rent, etc.  Until then I need fiat to survive and I don't have LocalMonero peeps to pay me cash where I live.
14:55:08 <m-relay> <p​rancing389:matrix.org> chicken and egg problem.
15:03:45 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> Yeah, with no off-ramp to cash, it's pretty useless.
15:09:19 <m-relay> <s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> I can do everything but ach with it. Mortgage, car payments, credit card payments, etc
15:10:34 <m-relay> <s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Other than those, living on monero would be possible
15:10:35 <m-relay> <p​rancing389:matrix.org> Send me the link to the site where you explain how to do all that.  I guess I should also ask what country do you live in?
15:11:06 <m-relay> <s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Coinsbee.com, US
15:11:46 <m-relay> <t​rasherdk:monero.social> shortwavesurfer2009: That's cool. Around here you get thrown to jail and deported, if using crypto currency as payment. It's legal to "invest" on exchanges.
15:15:11 <m-relay> <p​rancing389:matrix.org> This VISA cards aren't guaranteed to be accepted everywhere, have very short expiry dates, and totally compromise your OPSEC, all KYC bullshit.  And good luck getting a refund if the card won't work.  We still have a long way to go to have people accept Monero natively.
15:15:40 <m-relay> <s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> That is true
15:15:55 <m-relay> <p​rancing389:matrix.org> Lots of giftcards for things I don't buy
15:17:23 <m-relay> <p​rancing389:matrix.org> I am poor, I need food, housing, fuel, clothing.  Best thing I've found is the Sam's club card that doesn't compromise OPSEC and can be used at WalMart.
15:17:33 <m-relay> <s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> I use the instacart gc to get my groceries and then pick them up when they are ready
15:17:49 <m-relay> <s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> And pay my phone bill too
15:18:15 <m-relay> <p​rancing389:matrix.org> how to pay phone bill?
15:18:17 <m-relay> <p​rancing389:matrix.org> with visa card?
15:18:40 <m-relay> <s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Tmobile gc is on the list
15:18:54 <m-relay> <p​rancing389:matrix.org> ahh
15:19:53 <msvb-lab> No community meeting today, it seems. Or is it in one hour?
15:20:03 <m-relay> <s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> I think its only tmobile prepaid though, but since that is what i have its fine
15:21:47 <m-relay> <s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Good question
15:28:24 <m-relay> <p​rancing389:matrix.org> The only way I can think to buy gas at the pump is to get a mobile phone that supports NFC (near field communications), and use google, apple or samsung pay, which again compromises OPSEC with KYC requirements.
15:29:13 <m-relay> <p​rancing389:matrix.org> and fill the mobile pay accounts with a monero purchased visa gift card, the Vanilla gift card sounds appropriate.
15:29:55 <m-relay> <s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Ywah, that one would be difficult. I think for an exyta charge cake pay visa can be mailed to you
15:30:12 <m-relay> <s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> But its like 30mXMR more
15:30:45 <m-relay> <o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> I had a good experience with https://stealths.net/
15:30:53 <m-relay> <s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Ywah, that one would be difficult. I think for an extra charge cake pay visa can be mailed to you
15:32:11 <m-relay> <p​rancing389:matrix.org> Same thing, just a virtual card, so the whole KYC rigamarole with filling mobile pay wallets like google pay
15:33:39 <m-relay> <p​rancing389:matrix.org> If you bugout, you want to buy gas without any OPSEC compromises, and current solutions do not provide this ability, only choice is to cash up before you leave.
15:34:17 <m-relay> <o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> oh you mean paying in person? yeh I didn't try that
15:35:08 <m-relay> <p​rancing389:matrix.org> yep, only true anonymous purchase in person that I've had success with is the Sam's club card at WalMart.
15:35:33 <plowsof> Msvb-lab only an events meeting for today
15:38:28 <m-relay> <p​rancing389:matrix.org> anyone that opts out of the forced CBDC system will become a fugitive and will be forced to live on the fringes of society.  I'm ok with that if we get a few more ways to spend Monero to conduct the expenses of real life, not just internet life.
15:40:25 <m-relay> <p​rancing389:matrix.org> Need to start researching countries not only friendly towards crypto, but they need to be very friendly towards all types of PRIVACY crypto like Monero.
15:40:58 <m-relay> <p​rancing389:matrix.org> sell my house and move before the restrictions occur in the USA
15:52:39 <m-relay> <a​js_:matrix.org> MoneroKon planning meeting today @ 17:00 UTC https://agenda.monerokon.org
16:05:24 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> They will chase you down. Nowhere to flee.
16:05:24 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Also the places where cash is popular are generally those where illiteracy is high.
16:05:41 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> So it's a trade-off.
18:10:53 <m-relay> <n​o_2:matrix.org> Particl's marketplace lets you offramp to cash and bullion.
18:10:54 <m-relay> <n​o_2:matrix.org> I've bought quite a bit on there. And some of the localbitcoins sellers seem to have moved there now the main site has shut down.
18:10:54 <m-relay> <n​o_2:matrix.org> I believe supporting direct XMR payments is on the near term roadmap, which will operate via BasicSwap DEX, so it's KYC all the way.
18:14:14 <m-relay> <n​o_2:matrix.org> > <@trasherdk:monero.social> Yeah, with no off-ramp to cash, it's pretty useless.
18:14:14 <m-relay> <n​o_2:matrix.org> Particl's marketplace lets you offramp to cash and bullion.
18:14:14 <m-relay> <n​o_2:matrix.org> I've bought quite a bit on there. And some of the localbitcoins sellers seem to have moved there now the main site has shut down.
18:14:15 <m-relay> <n​o_2:matrix.org> I believe supporting direct XMR payments is on the near term roadmap, which will operate via BasicSwap DEX, so it's KYC free all the way.
19:30:03 <m-relay> <n​o_2:matrix.org> > <@trasherdk:monero.social> Yeah, with no off-ramp to cash, it's pretty useless.
19:30:04 <m-relay> <n​o_2:matrix.org> Particl's marketplace lets you offramp to cash and bullion.
19:30:04 <m-relay> <n​o_2:matrix.org> I've bought quite a bit on there. And some of the localbitcoins sellers seem to have moved there now the main site has shut down.
19:30:05 <m-relay> <n​o_2:matrix.org> I believe supporting direct XMR payments is on the near term roadmap, which will operate via BasicSwap DEX, so it'll soon be KYC free all the way if paying in XMR.
19:47:07 <m-relay> <p​rancing389:matrix.org> I'd take illiteracy over tyranny, any day of the week.
19:47:35 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Given enough money, I'd say any place is good and you can get it your way.
19:52:39 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Like for example no matter if poor or rich country, if you are richer than most you can just get someone to do the groceries for you.
19:52:39 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> In a rich country you will take advantage of nice infrastructure and quality standards.
19:52:39 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> In a poor country you will take advantage of higher income.
19:52:40 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Trade-offs all around.
19:52:40 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> What really matters, in my view, is how many allies you've gathered around you.
20:50:51 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> For Monero to be successful we just need to start gifting/tipping people in it.
20:50:52 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> And offer fiat swaps for them, get their toes wet, get them comfortable.
20:50:52 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Unfortunately, that requires fiat liquidity.
20:54:20 <m-relay> <t​esta:cthd.icu> that’s actually a great idea
20:54:43 <m-relay> <t​esta:cthd.icu> I’ll just offer to tip waiters in monero from now on, and give them a free verbal tutorial on what it is and how to use it
20:55:35 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Just be nice, get known to the business, tip part fiat, part monero.
20:56:48 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Most people are like baby monkeys walking into a water pool.
20:56:48 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> You need to guide them gently because they’re dumb, & emotional.
20:57:58 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> You need to go to a place maybe like 5 to 10 times consistently before you can even ask the Monero/Bitcoin question.
22:00:35 <m-relay> <s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Just use one of those little business card type things that gives them a wallet and directs them to download cake wallet and learn more.
22:00:58 <m-relay> <s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> But give part monero, part fiat as well