05:10:17 Update on the MoneroSocial and Matrixorg crosstalk issues: Matrixorg networking infrastructure is intermittently blocking traffic outbound from MoneroSocial. A solution is now being obtained from other homeservers that have had this issue with Matrixorg to put into place for MoneroSocial 07:07:22 midipoet: The roadmap has an achievements tab for past achievements, we can add them there 08:41:59 thanks for the update xmrscott 09:33:29 a community meeting tomorrow https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/984 hopefully matrix bridge issues dont cause too much of a problem 09:34:56 fwd: a community meeting tomorrow https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/984 hopefully matrix bridge issues dont cause too much of a problem . https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/ 09:37:10 So it is better to participate from IRC? 09:40:26 replying from matrix dot org, will get to irc instantly via m-relay. if you want to see replies you have to check irc (or https://libera.monerologs.net/) 10:15:28 Probably soon you will have to sacrificy a chicken or so for the honor to read all Matrix messages. Modern times. 10:19:15 <123bob123:matrix.org> I will have both accounts open 12:37:48 plowsof: the issue isn't the bridge with matrix but communication between matrix.org and other matrix servers 12:37:55 but you know this 12:38:52 note to self, don't post b4 tea 13:17:20 True nioCat, not the bridge. Could also be matrix dot org + cloudflares firewall (pigeons is looking into that) 17:13:28 Delivery for Cypher Stack's active proposal: https://github.com/cypherstack/bppp-review/releases/tag/final 17:13:42 And a new proposal opened: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/441 19:17:28 “Before it can be seriously considered however, it would be wise for the protocol to undergo review” 🤔 19:18:14 Everyone in the MRL meeting agreed with this statement. 19:18:19 As it stands Seraphis is brand new with no vetting. 19:19:17 Why did were so many ccs done for seraphis if it was till under consideration 😂 19:36:55 Anyone elses brain hurt after reading dave.jp 19:48:12 can someone explain to me what the review is? Is it essentially a maths review done by peers, or something else (apologies for noob question). 19:49:37 a review of the seraphis paper is the start 19:53:37 so checking for logical/notation errors in the paper? 20:02:32 https://github.com/UkoeHB/Seraphis 20:03:32 note in-progress draft. and search for "todo" in the Seraphis paper. and in the implementation paper. 20:38:40

dave.jp: its an R&D project. If the protocol isn’t proven to be sound it won’t be implemented into a multi-billion dollar network. Simple as that 21:34:04 Why did we put resources on implementation of something which isn’t even sound on paper ? 21:35:27 "Why do we spend money on curing illnesses that we can't cure yet" 21:35:32 To cure them in the future 21:36:06 You don’t put manufacturing supply before it’s tested 21:36:23 Sometimes through engineering effort we find out something isn't tenable. Sometimes through research effort we find out something isn't tenable. 21:36:42 In this particular case, the engineering resources were available before the research ones. 21:36:58 I agree some of this research should have been done first, but the engineering effort wasn't a waste. 21:38:18 You mean Sarang wasn’t available, there are no other cryptographers out there ? 21:38:59 The community could have indeed got another cryptographer to do a review. 21:39:03 Cryptographers are a very limited ressource 21:39:21 I know, I'm trying to become one and its very gosh it is hard 21:39:25 This is true. 21:39:29 I know, I'm trying to become one and gosh it is hard 21:40:00 This last minute “consideration” sounds like triptych 21:40:13 As far as CS goes, people wanted that BP++ review done first. Took us a couple of months but just delivered today. 21:40:42 There's nothing last minute about this. Seraphis isn't even close to going in. 21:41:50 So if seraphis fails the review, we go with only fcmp ? Is that a possibility 21:46:42 Mega nice!