02:08:12 Can anyone start a general fund for Monero 02:25:09 What was the plan for disbanding core team? 02:26:57 <321bob321:monero.social> Its on the github 02:27:02 <321bob321:monero.social> Monero meta 02:35:13 Re: the just opened PR to the CCS repo, I'll try and log in tomorrow to properly comment, but I believe it's clear there's a lack of temperament required for the desired position. I also believe the position requested exceeds the scope of a CCS proposal, and from a security perspective, is explicitly irresponsible. I'd like to clearly state my opinion here in case commenting direc 02:35:14 tly slips through the cracks. 02:52:22 "Milestones: 0 = Paid in full at time of funding." 02:52:22 😂 02:53:48 "Let this also be my bid to officially join core team as a frontend for fluffypony-lite, if both community and core agree." 02:54:30 I want the weed he's smoking. Reminds me of endogenic or xeagu even. 03:22:21 <321bob321:monero.social> Luke you talking about ofrn ccs? 03:22:47 <321bob321:monero.social> Ffs hes on matrix.org 03:39:19 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/444?s=09 04:30:58 rottenwheel i will fite u 04:50:01 Yes 05:37:58 <321bob321:monero.social> Wrong temperament to setup/maintain docs? 05:38:20 <321bob321:monero.social> I do think it needs more milestones 05:56:46 Asshole crybaby now wants money from the community to keep being an asshole crybaby? Boo fucking hoo. Send that spam straight into the trash, where it belongs 06:06:16 1st of April was 1 week ago 07:22:59 <123bob123:matrix.org> ofrn? 07:23:07 got the RSS notification for the CCS and oh boy does this look like drama again 07:23:11 <123bob123:matrix.org> exciting 07:23:18 who gets the popcorns 07:23:26 (matrix dot org users : we just received our daily quota of messages^) 07:23:32 <123bob123:matrix.org> yeah its fckd 07:24:17 <123bob123:matrix.org> batch send 07:24:25 yes, ofrn does deserve to get paid. Does he deserve the asking rate upfront, with zero deliverables, zero milestones? Idk about that man 07:24:38 what does that mean? 07:25:13 we see messages appear late and in batches (unrelated to the topic at hand sorry) 07:25:32 <123bob123:matrix.org> you cant see monero.social on matrix until it batch sends soon ™️ 07:28:05 are emoji-reactions delivered on time? 07:30:26 we have someone who made a ccs but is banned from responding to feedback here so it would be best to leave feedback under the ccs itself 07:31:51 <123bob123:matrix.org> nope 07:32:25 (although not banned on irc) 07:48:22 /ban plowsof inciting ban evasions! 09:15:15 Hi Everyone, 09:15:16 We're excited to announce the release of our latest video on Monero Nodes! 09:15:17 Discover how the crucial component of nodes secure the Monero network by verifying transactions and contributing to decentralization. Watch it here: https://youtu.be/hM6TF3co7lI 09:15:18 A big thank you to the CCS funder, the devs/community for their feedback, and of course to xenu for the creative input on visuals and work on script. We hope you’ll like it, please feel free to share it around. 09:25:19 next community meeting 13th april https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/988 13:20:48 hi dan(bob), cool website meetup.events 14:47:44 You can disagree with his proposal, but please can we use normal language for that? 14:47:45 It's destructive and doesn't help at all. Yes it can be hard sometimes, but please, we're all adults. We don't have to be friends, but we have a similiar goal. 14:47:46 I think he's a valueable part of the community, but he's also one of the people that needs to work on his language sometimes. 14:50:31 this proposal breaks so many basic CCS rules, it's not that he doesn't know them 14:56:24 Has someone any idea what : `Providing ofrn-oversight to keep low hanging fruit away from bad actors, whether malicious or simply and the like.` means ? 14:56:31 Has someone have any idea what : `Providing ofrn-oversight to keep low hanging fruit away from bad actors, whether malicious or simply and the like.` means ? 14:59:09 As nioCat said, the discussion about proposals happens here, so I'm copying my statement over: 14:59:10 > <@joiboi.crypto:matrix.org> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/444?s=09 14:59:11 I think this is a good proposal. Reminds me of what Luke said in the latest monerotalk a few days ago. We (the monero community) need to actively pay more people to work on monero. 14:59:12 ofrnxmr was always quick in helping/answering questions and has a lot of knowledge. I think he is a valueable person, though he needs to work on his language (the CCS is fine). I'm pro merging and would donate to his proposal. 14:59:13 In general we should encourage a friendly, helpful i.e. 'address the point not the person' language. Trolling etc. is not only not helpful, it actively hurts conversation and problem resolving. 15:00:25 It would be nice if he wasn't banned here so he could elaborate on this, as I too don't really understand this. 15:02:11 Warned by 5 distinct mods. I think he earned their ban 15:02:27 Warned by 5 distinct mods. I think he earned his ban 15:04:04 luke said he is against the proposal 15:06:36 He was banned for being the loudest, most arrogant asshole and berating everyone who didn't agree with him, always putting himself at the center of drama (half of which started by him, and the other half that didn't even involve him), and acting as the supreme judge of all that is Monero. He has driven away contributors, wasted a lot of other people's time, and keeps lying/bending 15:06:36 the truth to make himself look good when needed, and shouting over those who try to keep him in check. This "ccs proposal" is just the latest cry for attention. Frankly, it's bad that it took so long to get rid of him 15:06:55 from what I gathered there is a bit of a split about him. 15:06:55 Yes scott said '5 distinct mods' but I nave no proof for that nor have witnessed it. 15:06:56 I think he should maybe get temporarily unbanned to make the discussion on his proposal easier. If he starts shouting/namecalling okay fine, ban him again. 15:07:38 it was stated that he is not banned on IRC so .... 15:07:39 No ofrn, you will not get unbanned. Making alts asking nicely on your behalf won't help 15:07:49 This is bs and a waste of time, the end 15:08:11 don't think it's an alt :) 15:08:53 The fact that the proposal is even titled "help ofrn take over the world", is written like a raving lunatic, and asks to be included in the Monero Core Team is proof 15:08:55 I was referring to the latest monerotalk/monerotopia episode from a few days ago. 15:08:57 Spam -> trash 15:09:24 mrwonderland yes I know 15:09:53 you're falling into the *I don't trust the mods I want to see it by myself situation*. If you don't have trust over mods then wait for most to loose that trust, then you can ask for replacements. You can of course dismiss my opinion, but you should trust endor00 on this one 15:09:53 bbl 15:10:10 Acting nice to your buddies and answering a support ticket or two is not a free pass to be a raging asshole the rest of the time - no matter how "justified" or "right" you think you fare 15:12:09 My only interactions with ofrnxmr show me that he is willing to help the community and generally friendly, but immature in debates and become crazy on counter arguments 15:13:14 to summarize, even if its pejorative, *This man don't like being wrong* 15:13:24 Okay noted. I have witnessed his hotheadedness but also he was very helpful, friendly and knowledgeable on multiple occasions. I guess I wasn't arround yet to witness what you mentioned. 15:13:24 So you might understand why I've come to a different conclusion (for now). 15:14:25 Of course no one dismissing these facts or your conclusion. You're free to give himself the benefits of the doubt. 15:15:19 That ban is there for a reason. The fact that you weren't around doesn't mean people have to bend over backwards and waste more time to prove to every new account that shows up asking for "proof" that it was justified 15:15:31 I'm neither an alt of ofrnxmr nor am I his buddy. 15:16:41 If you want to go digging, you can search for the chat logs yourself. And if you struggle finding stuff among all the noise - congratulations, you've found one of the problems 15:16:53 Tbh I can't understand that most people are asking for proof. On a side it permit themselves to see that ofrnxmr is an asshole, or that the mods are bad. So it have sense, and i think it should be a thing to keep an archive of bans and evidence, free to the public. But it add work for the mods 15:17:17 Tbh I can understand that most people are asking for proof. On a side it permit themselves to see that ofrnxmr is an asshole, or that the mods are bad. So it have sense, and i think it should be a thing to keep an archive of bans and evidence, free to the public. But it add work for the mods 15:19:27 both sides need to take a chill pill 15:21:41 CSS proposal stuff 15:21:42 Any reason why I have to dox my phone number to be able to comment and/or up/downvote? 15:21:43 Better git needed ! 15:23:27 ? 15:23:32 that is a gitlab things on registration. It should be disabled on monero instance 15:24:01 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/PZQLYYTPCOZyknEFIXtucSeX 15:24:15 do we have a non-gitlab thing for the same git? 15:24:53 I think it may have been enabled due to all the spam accounts that were creating spam repos all over the place 15:25:12 Use a burner phone number. 🤷 15:25:40 unfortunately not. agree it sucks 15:25:48 rich people be like 15:25:50 Yeah but it require time (to travel in another town) and extra money :/ 15:25:51 Eventually will do if no other solutions are found 15:26:25 Going to make an homeless happy! 15:26:37 I wish. Less than a dollar for a SMS and registration in a service. If a spare dollar is being rich... 15:26:39 You can create a GitHub account and then connect it to GitLab I guess 15:27:02 Same exact phone number required nag 15:27:04 What? juicysms, sms4sats... 15:28:05 Maybe I should check theses.. 15:28:06 It's just an extra anoyance. 15:28:45 So someone refers to one of the most abrasive individuals in here as an asshole and supposedly a random other person polices the language? lol smh. 15:31:10 Don't listen to him MrWonderland you're wonderful as you are 15:31:24 keep that positivism 👍️ 15:32:45 juicy don't have gitlab service from what I see 15:32:46 sms4sats require bitcoin & LN channel opening shenanigans because FixedDead and trocador don't go that low krrrr 15:32:59 Burner phone will be 15:33:04 lol, timeline: a slew of randos pop up circa a year or two ago, 'I haven't been around for too long!' then some big time heckler starts saying 'he does what he wants' and because he is always so responsive in support channel no rules apply to him and we all will back each other everywhere no matter what! 15:33:10 Shit is a joke. 15:33:12 wait 15:33:41 Phone numbers are enabled based on suspicions from ip location. Try switching out VPNs or proxies. Should do the trick 15:33:57 Now the heckler wants to join the core team! Hurry luigi1111, we need his oversight! 15:34:19 https://nitter.poast.org/JennaAguilera4/status/1776999644574183518 maybe give this a try? 15:34:39 Also, if looking for more 1-time SMS services, look for more at monerica.com. 15:36:03 Nice, if that have a new XMR to LN that would be great 15:36:04 Else yeah, I think it might be IP related (I don't have IP that are flagged as VPN or Datacenter but there mostly in "unalligned countries" 😂 15:36:21 It's about how he was referred to. Yes, as I already stated, his language can be bad at times (from what I witnessed). But it doesn't make it okay if others jump on the bandwagon of bad language/namecalling etc. 15:36:21 His ban can be totally legit, but if this gets communicated to new people in an equally bad way, it hurts the point and makes it sus. 15:37:16 Ban was sus as far as I remember 15:37:20 Guy is a disruptive jerk at best, malicious actor at worst. 15:37:52 ... comes from a retired? disruptive jerk. 15:38:44 Even when this dude has not stopped calling my 'alts' out to date, I agree to the T with him. 15:38:46 Fresh and already down... 15:38:47 Maybe will work later 😂 15:38:58 Consider the language I used as an indicator of *just how bad* the situation is 15:39:34 The hidden service is down? Can ping them on hell hole site to see if they plan on bringing it back up. But yeah, whatever, just put a cheap prepaid SMS card into one of those brick Nokia phones and get your butt verified. 15:41:54 Seems like they're already aware: https://nitter.poast.org/JennaAguilera4/status/1777360478970245290 15:51:13 Sound like both though 15:53:04 He is so helpful and always available to help us! Pssh. https://nitter.poast.org/ofrnxmr/status/1775034577196560643 15:54:55 Sorry, can't think having this person as a "fluffypony-lite" is a good idea. Such delusional thinking. 15:54:56 We have moved AWAY from figureheads, we don't need new ones, especially of questionable quality. 15:55:19 Anyone putting this much energy into stupid disputes has mental issues 15:55:49 If he wants to get paid for helping monero out, let him cite clear goals and duties, with reasonable payouts tied to deadlines. "Pay me because of who I am" simply will not fly. 15:56:06 plowsof: This proposal can 15:56:13 plowsof: This proposal can't be taken seriously can it? 15:56:23 plowsof: This proposal can't be taken seriously can it? Worrying if so. 15:57:54 Youve just given some feedback/suggestions. Every proposal is taken seriously 16:01:40 I wish every proposal would have this level of engagement :D 16:02:17 Its a ridiculous proposal. Look at the title. 16:03:27 Between this proposal and his other recent posts, looks like a textbook manic episode. 16:05:48 A proposal none the less, which is gaining feedback, why is this worrying 16:07:40 Show me another proposal that has asked for such an amount upfront, with no milestones, and no clear objectives. 16:13:51 Are organizations and companies allowed to bank in crypto? 16:16:10 depends on the country, and business sector 16:16:23 Check your local laws 16:21:57 He might not see our message since he is on matrix.org 16:22:14 It's really annoying 16:25:57 Matrix dot org still having issues? 16:26:03 https://mitra.social/post/018eaf1f-88d7-301e-6e72-6b02fc310ba7 16:50:53 Never heard of Mitra 16:50:55 sounds cool 17:10:28 ofrnxmr is effectively asking for an official position of power when they have posted their own text messages harassing other people. While they believe they have been harassed themselves and therefore entitled to harass others, I'd argue no one in a position of power should be actively harassing others. 17:10:29 If ofrnxmr wants to downscope the role/proposed work significantly, their demeanor would be less problematic. 17:10:35 j0j0xmr no matter how absurd you find a proposal, there is a process to try and find a loose consensus. The proposor could take on the negative feedback and make adjustments where possible. Iirc monero shopping wanted over 600 to pretty much get monero to take over the world, the majority found it absurd and it was discussed in community meetings 17:10:41 Hey catching up on the weekend messages, we've been pushing out frequent updates to the BasicSwap DEX GUI for the past few weeks, you can run the `dev` branch on Github if you want to test out the most recent changes before they make it to `master` (https://github.com/tecnovert/basicswap/commits/dev). It's been introduces a lot of changes to several pages including the New Offer p 17:10:42 age, order book display, wallets page as well as quite a few fixes and general improvements, code cleanup and codebase refactoring, etc. 17:10:43 We don't plan on a blog post regarding these UI changes, unless I misunderstood the question, but will be pushing out blog posts as we start with some of the larger changes planned like light/remote connections, web gateway, etc. 17:10:44 Don't hesitate to leave us feedback and comment on anything, it's why the beta is public 😇 17:12:01 ofrnxmr also isn't enough of a developer for the project they should be involved in private disclosure of security issues AFAIK/IMO. Explicitly requesting they run point on exploits is insane. 17:13:19 In general, I'd be more open to the inclusion of projects, letting the community decide to fund them or not. The issue is when the project fundamentally shouldn't be funded because ofrnxmr shouldn't supersede the established responsible disclosure process. 17:13:37 There's a variety of other arguments against ofrnxmr taking the requested role, and unless they're being allowed/supported in their role, we shouldn't host funding for it. 17:13:49 Just as we shouldn't host funding for the impl of a HF we won't adopt. 17:51:27 <123bob123:matrix.org> Probably should be unbanned here so he can defend the ccs? 17:52:07 <123bob123:matrix.org> I thought he was only doing it for docs really 17:54:12 plowstuff said he's not banned on IRC 17:54:56 if he comes to this channel I'll need to order xtra popcorn 17:56:24 <123bob123:matrix.org> Exploits should be looked at by a security researcher 17:57:44 <123bob123:matrix.org> Whether that person is overt and has history to prove there worthiness or has a github track record if anon. 18:01:23 <321bob321:monero.social> Unban on all platforms for here 18:06:19 <123bob123:matrix.org> His proposal is 50xmr per 3months. 18:06:31 <123bob123:matrix.org> What was erc cost? 18:12:06 I think the proposal was a little over the top and silly maybe to make some commentary on the current ccs and/or core team system of operations, which granted makes the proposal itself seem a bit unserious and maybe not submitted in the appropriate forum, but I think ofrn cares a lot about monero and is I think making a good faith proposal 18:12:10 vulnerabilities should be reported to hackerone 18:12:21 I thought his proposal was pay me upfront for a year and I will continue to do the stuff I was doing 18:12:33 if they get privately reported to a person there's a risk of it getting lost in the noise 18:12:34 though I guess it would probably require some revision to go to funding :D 18:14:58 I need this because I was banned and no longer make xmr from providing support 18:15:54 guess if accepted it would mean he would need to be unbanned ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 18:16:31 and then he could make $ again and wouldn't need the funding 18:17:22 going out to stare at the sun for a bit 18:45:03 Or maybe play with your human a bit 19:20:21 Sure, I understand, and I'm letting my views be known. 19:25:53 I saw that CCS merge request get posted across every channel imaginable instead of just here, afaik, that probably gave it some negative starting opinions even from people who might have not had negative views 19:26:01 not coolio 19:28:54 Cough joiboi.crypto cough. 19:43:58 <321bob321:monero.social> Touch grass? 19:53:52 Gaslighting much? Maybe they just disagree with the proposal itself. 20:17:31 <321bob321:monero.social> ? 20:18:25 <321bob321:monero.social> Could always say narrow the ccs down to something 20:59:29 I wonder what ofrnxmr would say if it was someone else who posted that CCS. 21:00:12 my hunch is they would say it should be rejected 21:05:51 <321bob321:monero.social> I think it needs to be narrowed down 21:06:31 Do you think that is what ofrnxmr would say? 21:08:44 <321bob321:monero.social> Probably say too broad 21:09:09 <321bob321:monero.social> Start with docs domination and dominate world later 21:13:10 Perhaps. I think he would probably point out quite a fair few issues. 21:14:51 He probably would never ever stop talking about that time the proposer tried to scam the community. 21:15:08 And how the proposer shouldn't be trusted. 21:17:00 And how we should never allow the CCS to be abused by malevolent actors like this. 21:17:09 I mean, that's what i think he would say. 21:18:01 <321bob321:monero.social> Can always post feedback on the gitlab 21:18:07 But perhaps you're correct, and he would indeed just say, "all good, my monero friend. just narrow the scope a little and you're good to go". 21:18:43 <321bob321:monero.social> Missing swear words 21:19:16 I don't miss them that much to be honest. 21:19:30 <321bob321:monero.social> I mean your comment 21:19:49 I know what you mean, Bob. 21:19:49 <321bob321:monero.social> Needs to be more harsh 21:20:45 <321bob321:monero.social> I would post if it would allow email alias to sign up 21:21:27 If i post on the Gitlab, i get email notifications when someone replies. 21:22:19 The last thing I need in my life is email notifications for when ofrnxmr has replied, attempting to justify the bullshit in the proposal. 21:23:19 <321bob321:monero.social> Speaking into the voidlinux then 21:23:53 perhaps, but doubtful 21:25:08 <321bob321:monero.social> If you dont comment and it doesn’t get changed, if it goes to vote and alts vote it will go through. 21:25:24 <321bob321:monero.social> Reminds me of a movie i saw once 21:25:56 ofrn knows what a proper proposal is. Why did he post this which breaks enough rules that I had to take my shoes off 21:36:23 For attention 21:40:05 <321bob321:monero.social> Probably 23:10:13 <321bob321:monero.social> Taken from the fluffy handbook 23:10:23 <321bob321:monero.social> We are disbanding !!