00:18:51 Good UI/UX. (Come on, there isn't a good looking mobile wallet out there) 00:19:18 don't tell diego that :D 00:19:24 stack wallet 00:19:53 also it's weird to thumbs up your own proposal 00:26:39 D: 00:30:43 https://nitter.poast.org/ofrnxmr/status/1774606554135703904#m 00:30:52 https://nitter.poast.org/ofrnxmr/status/1774663055256809564#m 01:27:30 What does "Implements not only wallet, but the ecosystem." mean? 01:39:20 I assume they implement swap services or other tools like signatures 03:23:25 Please, please, please do not accept this CCS request. It looks like Monero is being attacked right now because of how bad this looks. ofrnxmr is making it seem like he is exit scamming with this proposal and I beg it doesn't get approved. In other news, there is a positive in all this. Is it possible for Monero to consider a DAO instead of CCS? I think that with the current artif icial support for ofrnxmr, it calls into question how vulnerable CCS is and it doesn't hurt to consider an alternative 03:25:39 To be completely honest, I think that ofrnxmr is using this valid ban by xmrscott as an excuse to extract money from this community. It doesn't take a genius to create an alt account and continue helping people out 03:36:19 Yeah, exactly like that and don't worry I won't change the app to a shitshow bloatware 03:37:18 I'm very new to the crypto scene and monero haha 03:38:24 How did you hear about Monero? You got lucky choosing to look into Monero as someone who is new to crypto 03:38:53 99.99% of crypto coins are ponzi schemes 03:39:48 Do you have pics of the UI? 03:41:21 Yeah, I'm very interested in privacy/anonymity and opsec/cybersecurity essentially but I've never actually used any cryptocurrency before but I want to be able to have an anonymous way of purchasing things once physical cash ceases to exist and more and more places are rejecting cash these days... I want an anonymous way of purchasing stuff 03:43:03 No, not designed yet. 03:43:29 It sucks where I live in the world privacy and anonymity is heavily heavily regulated and controlled... Australia sucks... I even had to figure out how to buy monero from an unknown exchange because all the major banks block buying crypto from major exchanges (and put a mandatory 24 hour hold) so I had to do a lot of research on finding an exchange to pay credit card to xmr withou 03:43:30 t being blocked by the banks... Binance and Kraken will immediately ban your account if you use any major Aussie bank so... 03:43:46 And they don't sell XMR to Australia anymore because we officially delisted it :/ 03:44:24 So I had to buy from monero.com/changenow and the taxes/fees were brutal tbh but atleast it was legit and it came through without a 24 hour hold and also wasn't blocked... 03:44:31 So I had to buy from monero.com/changenow and the taxes/fees were brutal tbh but atleast it was legit and it came through without a 24 hour hold and also wasn't blocked by the bank... 03:44:55 Have you looked into localmonero? 03:45:04 What does "Private by default" mean? 03:45:09 Or haveno/serai that are coming out soon? 03:45:12 I bought 100 AUD worth of XMR and because of all the taxes/fees and network costs and conversion costs from btc to xmr I ended up receiving $81 AUD of xmr in the end... 03:45:41 There are better ways of buying Monero! 03:45:46 Without incurring a fee that big 03:47:16 Yeah looks a bit hard tbh especially considering I have to buy PayId or something and you don't know if the person you are buying from on localmonero is legit either compared to like monero.com/changenow they are legit because they are sponsored by cakewallet 03:47:50 Yeah looks a bit hard tbh especially considering I have to use PayId or something or revolut or some weird version of digital payment and you don't know if the person you are buying from on localmonero is legit either compared to like monero.com/changenow they are legit because they are sponsored by cakewallet... 03:48:10 Changenow.io is very easy to just deposit money directly from credit card to xmr 03:48:17 https://localmonero.co/buy-monero-with-aud-in-australia 03:48:18 You mentioned that you're in Australia. There is a way to purchase XMR by sending cardless cash codes via an ATM 03:48:19 There won't be any movements that compromises privacy like sending requests to third party for price etc. These will be optional to be enabled later. 03:48:21 Changenow.io is very easy to just deposit money directly from credit card to receieve xmr 03:48:35 How does that work? 03:49:07 If the person on localmonero has a high rating you will certainly get your XMR. If for some reason the person scams you, you can easily get a refund 03:49:44 Correct but changenow.io can request for KYC and lock your funds if you buy a high amount 03:49:56 True 03:50:06 If you're buying from a CEX, check out all these other options from kycnot.me 03:50:08 Thats why I won't buy high just 100 here and there 03:50:27 Let me get a video. There is a similar method used in Mexico 03:50:51 by high amount how much do you mean btw considering "high amount" could mean anything tbh banofrnxmr ? 03:51:24 Like 1,000 $ or 100,000 $ how much do you mean by "high amount"? 03:51:26 It depends but as a rule of thumb I'd say 1k+ is a high amount for chagenow 03:51:33 It depends but as a rule of thumb I'd say 1k+ is a high amount for changenow 03:51:55 So just each time buy like $100 yeah? 03:52:43 Yeah changenow is kyc but they are better then other kyc exchanges as they just require your name, address, phone number etc (which is still very kyc) but they don't require an actual selfie or drivers license being uploaded... So they still manage to do KYC better then other KYC exchanges surprisingly 03:52:51 If you want to sure but be aware that changenow keeps logs of your purchase. If Australia becomes more Orwellian than it already is, I wouldn't be surprised if Australian authorities requested for people in Australia buying Monero in the future. Changenow would have to comply 03:53:17 They are based in Estonia or something 03:53:24 According to this: https://kycnot.me/service/changenow 03:53:25 Changenow can request for KYC at any time. There is no "big amount" 03:53:28 They could just say "fuck you AFP I ain't complying" 03:53:43 Binance was based in nowhere and Australia still banned it? 03:54:08 Well because they are a major exchange I'm guessing 03:54:18 Hmm 03:54:20 Yeah you are right tbh 03:54:27 I have to be more logical and intelligent here and not just anti government and mad lol 03:54:49 I live in Canada and our government is just as bad as yours 03:54:55 True :/ 03:56:06 Umm actually not quite your government has a lot of good laws but they did the thing with the truckers but compared to here on an overall basis they are quite a bit less draconian then here... 03:56:10 https://nitter.poast.org/DBrozeLiveFree/status/1775989506761523234 03:56:11 I imagine it will be something similar to this 03:57:14 Like the cops here can hack your PC without a warrant if they suspect you are committing a crime (like just a crime that would classify as 3 or more years in the clink) not even national security stuff necessarily... That is really fucked up... And the cops here don't require any warrant to access metadata and browsing history of customers from ISPs whatsoever... 03:57:42 True, exchanges here don't ban you if you use a major bank. That sounds like a nightmare 03:58:20 Also the anti encryption laws and stuff where they are trying to force facebook, whatsapp and etc to backdoor your device if they receive a "notice" with a malicious update... 03:58:30 Damn it. Wasn't Australia built by criminals anyway? How is this country that bad 03:58:40 Ikr... :(( 03:59:15 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/5/australias-dangerous-encryption-law-in-works-in-2015-document Have a read of this bruh... Really really scary stuff!! 03:59:35 Well anyways for your purchase amounts feel free to use changenow but there are better options I linked above. They do require more effort but you won't have to worry about losing your funds or being blacklisted 03:59:49 True 04:00:01 I will probably do that if and when I'm forced to... 04:00:28 For the time being I'm ok with the taxes lol especially for 100 it's not like I'm losing half it's only 19% that's quite a bit but still... 04:00:52 GST here for products is 10% taxes anyways so I'm used to paying lots of product tax for things lol 04:02:20 For example the Herald Sun newspaper costs $1 AUD but actually costs $1.10 AUD when you buy it from any shop because of product tax... 04:02:31 Same for all items at shops 04:02:36 pretty much... 04:02:41 it started as a prison island and not much has changed 04:02:56 Sadly true... 04:03:15 <321bob321:monero.social> Vat is 20%? No 04:05:37 There's this Australian youtuber who came up in my recommended called friendlyjordies. His house was firebombed by a big gang I believe and the police tried to silence him. Australia is still run by criminals by the looks of it but they only care about controlling the weak 04:06:47 Especially from the last 5 years Australia has turned into a Chinese style CCP type George Orwell nightmare pretty much I mean even fucking Coles and grocery stores/shops have employed facial recognition cameras "tO kEeP cUsToMeRs SaFe AnD pReVeNt ShOpLiFtInG" as if regular CCTVS can't already accomplish that? Why do they need to incorporate facial recognition highly invasive DNA 04:06:48 matching technology to achieve that?? Shits fucked... Thats why I always wear my covid mask outside for as long as I can lol to prevent mass surveillance by this surveillance state we live under tbh... It's effective to helping against facial recognition cameras... Cap and covid mask... 04:07:23 Especially from the last 5 years Australia has turned into a Chinese style CCP type George Orwell nightmare pretty much I mean even fucking Coles and grocery stores/shops have employed facial recognition cameras "tO kEeP cUsToMeRs SaFe AnD pReVeNt ShOpLiFtInG" as if regular CCTVS can't already accomplish that? Why do they need to incorporate facial recognition highly invasive DNA 04:07:23 matching technology to achieve that?? Shits fucked... Thats why I always wear my covid mask outside for as long as I can lol to prevent mass surveillance by this surveillance state we live under tbh... It's effective to helping against facial recognition cameras... Cap and covid mask... But yeah... Shit is beyond fucked tbh... 04:07:32 What... 04:08:08 I guess Monero is working as intended if you can purchase it without much issue in a country like that 04:08:51 Ah looks like they have temporarily halted the facial recognition cameras in those shops from the public outrage/outcry but they were used for months before and now they are stopped... But they will almost certainly try and try again! 04:09:15 banofrnxmr: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/12/privacy-watchdog-to-investigate-bunnings-and-kmart-over-use-of-facial-recognition-technology 04:09:33 https://theconversation.com/bunnings-kmart-and-the-good-guys-say-they-use-facial-recognition-for-loss-prevention-an-expert-explains-what-it-might-mean-for-you-185126 04:11:11 I think they have also halted doing this for now because of the public outrage/outcry but they were using facial recognition cameras on customers and everyone who stepped foot into the facility for months and months before the public knew so it's only a matter of time before they try this again and be more discreet about this... So whenever I'm out in public or go to the shops I j 04:11:12 ust assume they are using facial recognition cameras tbh... 04:11:50 I think they have also halted doing this for now because of the public outrage/outcry but they were using facial recognition cameras on customers and everyone who stepped foot into the facility for months and months before the public knew so it's only a matter of time before they try this again and be more secretive/discreet about this next time... So whenever I'm out in public or 04:11:50 go to the shops I just assume they are using facial recognition cameras tbh... 04:13:42 Is what is though 04:30:33 Is it safe using my actual number for signal in your opinion there wouldn't be a different version of Signal for aussies then the rest of the world right? Thoughts? 04:41:29 Impossible to tell. When evaluating opsec we need to understand your threat model. If your threat model is a script kiddie, then that's fine. If your threat model is law enforcement, that may do but there are better options. If your threat model is the government, then no that won't work 04:55:53 @trasherdk:monero.social Why do you support an exit scammer? 05:19:45 Hey shithead 05:19:52 Who are you> 05:20:07 Use your real account 05:20:36 since when do we hide behind alts to attack contributors 05:20:52 Xmrscott, wheres your banhammer m, fkn pussy 05:21:03 Banofrn? I am banned 05:21:42 Exitscammer? Exit with what? My particl abd wownero? I havent made a penny from from monero 05:22:18 Again, whata with this faggot bullshit 05:22:45 Everytime im banned, this sissy pos kicks back and allows non-contributors to attack me 05:23:02 Last time, they attacked like fkn 20 ppl, accused everyone lf being my alt 05:23:15 What kind of absolute dog fucking moderation is this? 05:23:24 Scott bans me bcuz hes sgps little bitch 05:23:31 And no other reason 05:24:15 Why does trasherdk stand with ofrnxmr? Idk. Maybe bcuz hes not a "see ya next year" part time nobody 05:24:43 Some ppl around here use their real handles, and sign their name next to their endorsements 05:24:59 Who tf is this alt? Is that rottencuck? 05:25:44 And for anyone who has a problem with my tone - suck my dick 05:26:20 Yall aint got no problem with useless pieces of shit using alts to talk shit and question long tine community members 05:26:42 Banofrnxmr is hilariously retarded 05:27:11 banofrnxmr > next sentence: haveno 05:27:25 Lmfao 🤡 05:28:53 Exit scamming 🤣. Kid, im so heavily invokved in your faavorite projects, you might as well ban yourself 05:29:40 Wait whats going on? Are dankweb exit scammers on this server?? 05:29:40 now, for those who are willing to login to their real accounts, any questions? 05:30:31 Banofrnxmr@bitcoiner has a pinecone up his ass 05:30:56 The only exit scam i know of, is ercicciones haveno 05:31:24 If im exit scamming, why did i just bring 0xfffc back? Dumb cuck 05:31:58 And why am i speaking so aggressively, im im actually sitting here giggling like a school girl? 05:32:12 m-relay: I genuinely can't even understand you :/ 05:32:22 apologies 05:33:21 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20240410#c360801 05:33:29 Im responding to this 05:34:05 "valid ban by xmrscott as an excuse to extract money from this community. " 05:34:13 Is this scott speaking 🤣🤣🤣 05:34:40 Let me chill with the shit talk for a second, and speak some facts 05:35:11 Sorry about the chain of msgs, but linebreaks dont work on irc (afaik). 05:35:38 (regarding this "valid" ban) 05:36:38 scott claims 5 mods have warned me. This 5 are. Him, sgp, erc, endor, and perhaps luigi. Out of those 5. Erc and sgp were made to step down 05:37:08 Erc quit as site coordinator and was fired as mod/admin 05:37:24 Scott claims that ofrnxmr and cake have issues 05:37:33 Tuxsudo and tanner of cske both upvoted c 05:38:11 vik demoted sgp, and kicked banhammer. I am not banned in any cake room, and cake made it clear they do not want me banned 05:38:20 Tobtoht also unbanned me in feather. 05:38:50 Now, for those 5 mods. Endor has an active ccs 05:38:55 Here's a fact, ofrn: if you were reviewing a proposal like yours from anyone else, you'd be screaming "SCAMMER" off the top of your lungs. You are deliberately making noise and stirring drama - as usual - and trying to steal money from donors for a nonsense proposal with no deliverables - and no, *you* are not a deliverable 05:39:04 (If you can call it active) 05:39:23 Stfu, go finish YOUR ccs, clown ass loser 05:39:48 How many more yrs do you need? 05:40:20 Endor has 1 vote. Ill accept his downvote. Now you can go back to finish your scam ccs, fkn idiot 05:40:23 Ah yes - my ccs is not done yet, therefore I can't criticize you for trying to scam the community? Brilliant logic 05:40:40 who's scamming the comm&njty? 05:40:55 mj 05:41:00 Your partner? 05:41:03 This is not a popularity contest. This is being deliberately malicious 05:41:12 Who you made sure got paid out? 05:41:20 No, youre a fuckin idiot 05:41:24 Period 05:41:50 dont know wtf youre talking about 05:41:54 You* dont know 05:42:02 Oh look, here goes the lie again about me being partner with mj. I called him out for scamming too, and now I'm calling you out too 05:42:11 N( you didnt 05:42:22 You agreed for him tk be paid out in full, you supported his scam 05:42:31 And now you hold his bags like a bitch 05:42:58 Funny how scammers are callibg me a scammer 05:43:12 buy ive never scammed anyone, ever 05:43:18 Ah yes, that great bag of 0 that I'm holding for him, brilliant 05:43:23 Clown ass endor is a mod 05:43:38 But lets alts talk shit 05:44:00 Reminds me of when mj threatened to kill me, and you did nothing but defend him 05:44:12 Once again, you are just filling this chat with nothing but worthless noise. And trying to scam the community asking free money upfront to do fuck all 05:44:26 thats your opini(n, youre welcone tk it 05:44:52 Now get off my dick 05:45:08 Nobody was talking to you 05:45:15 Another lie, again. I was the one trying to get him to act reasonably. But of course you'll use any excuse to pin his shit on me 05:45:23 Just like a liar and gaslighter would 05:45:23 Im filling the chat woth noise? Are you blind? 05:45:40 An indication of what outcome to expect if your proposal were to pass 05:45:57 pib what on you? 05:46:00 Where are your buddies claiming how good of a friend and how nice to them you always have been? 05:46:05 The lack of moderation of your friends? 05:46:11 Or your biased moderation? 05:46:34 Go back to your twitter ramblings 05:46:45 I think you should forget that mj exists and focus on your proposal. Also longer messages please. 05:46:50 "Where are your buddies claiming how good of a friend and how nice to them you always have been?" 05:46:55 What are you talking about?? 05:47:26 The 0 friends that I have? Or are you referring to the guy that I voted in favour of banning? 05:47:35 siren, i was speaking about the user "banofrnxmr" and the lack of moderation 05:47:52 And responding to scotts bullshit accusations and then endkr showed up 05:48:16 Endor - please stfu 05:48:30 I dont know and dont care what youre talking about 05:48:49 Go do some work 05:49:46 The whole point of this proposal is to make noise and stir shit. It's one more opportunity to gaslight and lie. And if nobody pushes back, the lie becomes the truth. This is deliberate malicious behaviour from someone who already got banned (at least on matrix) for acting exactly like this countless times already 05:50:01 Genius. You figured me out 05:50:23 You can stfu now. Considering your as dumb as you sound 05:50:40 "Go do some work" - how about you start including deliverable work in your proposal too? At least mine has that - hence why I haven't been paid yet 05:51:01 Mj was paid, he was supposed to deliver the whole ccs 05:51:15 You changed that. scammer payer 05:51:39 Pot calling the kettle black, except im not a scammer. You are 05:52:15 I love how your only retort when you know you can't contradict me is always "stfu now, u dumb" once we get past the whataboutism. You are admitting I'm right and you have no good comeback for it 05:52:25 no, im tellibg you to stfu 05:52:40 Because youre opinion is the definition of baseless hate 05:53:27 Because youre opinion is the definition of baseless hate 05:54:14 youre a biased and malicious "mod". You're in here allowing literal alts (probably you or your friends) to talk baseless bullshit and attack me 05:54:20 Just becauae you want to do it yourself 05:54:23 I too think if you saw your own proposal you wouldn't have liked it or called it out. I think you can do better. 05:54:41 im not talking abo&t that 05:54:48 Hate? Dude, I don't care enough about you to hate you. But I care enough about Monero to call your shit out. And the fact that you keep focusing on trying to shut me down, instead of addressing all the real criticism about your proposal goes to show, once more, how the proposal itself has no real value 05:55:07 youre a clown bro 05:55:17 Solopt has 0 value 05:55:26 Mj dev ccs has 0 value 05:55:30 You hace 0 value 05:55:42 You cant even moderate impartially 05:56:29 And this justifies your proposal how? 05:57:15 if youll stfu, i was getting there before you came in started trying to change the subject 05:57:23 Oh, it doesn't 05:57:58 Yes, you were getting there. After spending half an hour berating everyone first 05:58:23 I was like 1 min and 30sec in when you showed up, 05:58:40 And by everyone, you mean "banofrnxmr:bitcoiner"? 05:58:53 Who's that? Your boyfriend? 05:59:28 First: i was setting the record straight. You dont like the facts, so you rudely interrupted me. 06:00:23 1m30s: 06:00:23 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20240410#c360892 06:00:24 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20240410#c360935 06:00:25 You must be travelling at light speed 06:01:27 Setting the record straight, by repeating the same debunked lies about me and others? 06:03:25 How about you answer the hard questions first, like kayabanerve's points? https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20240408#c360027 06:05:18 Probably bcuz i never saw them? 06:06:36 "ofrnxmr is effectively asking for an official position of power" < misread the ccs 06:07:35 "While they believe they have been harassed themselves and therefore entitled to harass others, I'd argue no one in a position of power should be actively harassing others." Not sure what is being referred to here. Xmrscott? 06:08:26 If so, xmrscott is a lying sack of shit 06:09:06 wait so ofrnxmr is back and he is insulting endor?? 06:09:12 And ill say that 100x a day. Its not harassment to call a spade a spade, especially when the spade is activelt lying about the landscape 06:09:14 The current density of the words "dick" and "fuck" is a bit high, don't you all think? 06:09:47 Id agree, if i wasnt allowed to be attacked non stop in my absence 06:10:07 omg, there is like zero debate possible on the guy attitude now. 06:10:13 rules only apply when they help your narrative 06:11:04 Synthetic, i see no reason to treat brats with professional respect 06:11:49 I stand by what i said about mods who allow alts to attack people 06:12:59 Did you seriously respond "not sure what is being referred to here", when your own proposal has an entire section where you cry about being the victim? And then your own messages, just from earlier (on top of the many before your ban), are again berating people who you dislike/disagree with you? And even in the CCS comments your entire response to questions about your attitude is 06:13:00 "you don't have to like my flavor"? And the question was for YOU, not scott 06:13:49 Cry about being the victim? 06:13:58 huh? 06:14:16 Berating "people"? You mean, an alt acct? 06:15:16 Not even a person, but a literal account made for the sole purpose of attacking my person. Im berating them now am i 06:15:20 I'm gonna pick up screenshots and make an archive titled: ofrnxmr_evidence_for_posterity.tar.gz 06:15:55 because we were having a discussion on mods decision but I think no one is doubting on them anymore 06:15:59 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20240410#c361028 So you are deliberately being disrespectful to people - even though you (and everyone else) should be acting professional (especially in this room) and you claim you want to be here to help people? This doesn't instill much faith in your proposal 06:16:24 People?? 06:16:33 I read 2 msgs and responded 06:16:44 I have not read any backlog for weeks, months 06:16:55 SyntheticBird45 | The monero.social relay bot: we have https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/ for that, no need for screenshots 06:17:31 Banofrnxmr alt, thata oh so professional 06:17:58 yeah because "If so, xmrscott is a lying sack of shit" is also professional ig 06:18:03 Sure, sure. So the accounts spamming "#freeofrn" weren't yours, right? Will you complain about those too? 06:18:07 Nice to know you have high standards when it comes to how biased to can be 👍 06:20:10 endor00. Correct 06:20:16 They were not mine, at all 06:20:23 I wasnt even aware 06:20:43 And thats a fkn fact 06:21:42 💀 06:22:10 Now i wonder. What did i miss 🤣 06:23:04