00:14:40 before I read the second milestone I thought Polish GBPs were bulletproofs from poland 00:18:47 Yes and I replied (replying here with my Matrixorg backup should you not have seen them). My replies were the same as what was hinted at by dEBRUYN E: If you're going for awareness and reach, posting a link on Reddit to whatever resource that explicitedly references Monero... release notes, blog post, podcast episode with Monero in the description, whatever and you should be fine. 00:18:47 You can also do the same for TikTok, Instagram, with a #Monero hashtag 00:32:42 Interesting 00:32:43 Well if that’s the case then studying the fallout should be fun to watch 01:12:04 Uniswap v2 is decentralized, except for a bounded fee which can be set (which was by the company or the DAO). Uniswap v3 pools are similar AFAIK. 01:13:30 what happened today 01:16:31 did i miss a special event in the world? I was offline for 3 days, why did XMR's price plummet? 01:21:39 https://youtu.be/hym1ENWii4k 01:23:07 valid response ngl 01:23:09 i just thought perhaps something had gone terribly wrong 01:23:30 i mean, the black marble attack intensified today 01:23:36 oh 01:23:48 and kraken said it was gonna delist in belgium and ireland 01:23:55 altho not sure if that was today 01:24:01 but i mean, that's a normal friday 01:24:12 nothing too crazy 01:26:00 I looked it up that was yesterday and the price remained relatively stable following the announcement in media outlets. But probably played a role in today's price 01:26:17 if you insist 01:26:22 thanks for your answers 01:28:02 perhaps i've developed a thick skin over the years and nothing really fazes me anymore 🤷 01:29:16 but i do believe that monero has passed over much more challenging hardships in the past 03:14:32 Thanks, are there any ways to get some related tweets out on the twitter account? 03:14:33 Also there was some interest from the community of possibly running a competition like the Litecoin foundation has run in partnership with Particl.io and BasicSwapDEX.com 03:14:34 https://twitter.com/litecoin/status/1777443875109621798 03:15:29 I think it would be good to help spread awareness for places to trade and spend XMR now it's being pulled out European, Asians and US exchanges. 03:15:44 I think it would be good to help spread awareness for places to trade and spend XMR now it's being pulled off European, Asians and US exchanges. 03:16:38 > <@xmrscott:matrix.org> Yes and I replied (replying here with my Matrixorg backup should you not have seen them). My replies were the same as what was hinted at by dEBRUYN E: If you're going for awareness and reach, posting a link on Reddit to whatever resource that explicitedly references Monero... release notes, blog post, podcast episode with Monero in the description, whateve 03:16:38 r and you should be fine. You can also do the same for TikTok, Instagram, with a #Monero hashtag 03:16:39 Thanks, I'll let them know. 03:16:40 Are there any ways to get some related tweets out on the twitter account too? 03:16:41 There was some interest from the community of possibly running a competition like the Litecoin foundation has run in partnership with Particl.io and BasicSwapDEX.com 03:16:42 https://twitter.com/litecoin/status/1777443875109621798 03:18:20 I think it would be good to help spread awareness for places to trade and spend XMR now it's being pulled off European, Asians and US exchanges. 03:19:06 It also provides an unstoppable way to spend XMR on a safe marketplace where buyers and sellers remain anonymous and can never get scammed. As we've seen with recent marketplace exit scams and blackmailing users over there data. 03:19:13 It also provides an unstoppable way to spend XMR on a safe marketplace where buyers and sellers remain anonymous and can never get scammed. As we've seen with recent marketplace exit scams and blackmailing users over their data. 03:23:11 I think it would be good to help spread awareness for places to trade and spend XMR now it's being pulled off European, Asians and US exchanges. From what I gather it's the only bidirectional atomic swap option? 03:33:37 It also provides an unstoppable way to spend XMR on a safe marketplace where buyers and sellers remain anonymous and can never get scammed. A paradigm shift from the status quo with exit scams and more recently blackmailing users over their data. 03:53:32 If Twitter doesn't allow for direct messaging the account to ask directly... I don't speak for the individual(s) who run the account, but if you make a Monero specific tweet while @'ing them there is a non-zero chance they'll retweet it 05:26:11 💯 05:30:18 Cool, I'll ask them to DM the @monero twitter account. Thanks. 06:34:57 +400 xmr donation to the general fund. The anonymous donation spam attack continues 06:35:46 Some new proposals on the ideas page also https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/ 06:41:08 Wen 420.69? 06:51:22 I wonder how long it will take until strange conspiracy theories will spring up that try to explain those large donations, who makes them, how they can afford to donate so much, what's their motivation, and so on. It does get a wee bit strange IMHO. 06:54:35 rbrunner7 weirdest one, at least in contemporary times was the one whose goal was to purchase monero.com from cake. the GitHub comment and all. 06:56:34 Right. 06:58:53 'We are Monero...' https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2013#issuecomment-1234523829 07:00:24 I wrote a fiction short story where remarkable donations play an important role in the plot: https://rbrunner7.github.io/fear.html 07:02:05 I that monero-gui thing was supposed to warn people about updating? 07:02:16 Why there still people using 0.18.0.0 07:14:33 Just tested with a 0.18.3.1 I still had (I normally use feather) 07:14:34 Yep it does ask me to update it, I assume it did not back in the 0.18.0.0 days. 07:20:30 Sure. And then any ask for an unban in here results in a new ban. Same for mentioning the banned. Or any complaining about any of the moderation. 07:20:43 ravfx this is true, the update prompt was a new addition, but i think it was after 17.3.2 selsta 07:21:11 someone was using 17.3.0 the other day in support :( 07:21:36 Cool then. 07:21:37 People should press the download/update button when it ask lol 07:21:38 I just helped someone that was using 0.18.0.0 07:24:28 3 letter agencies have performed a psyop with the WinRar license pop up that we clicked away so often that it happened subconsciously (during our windows XP phase). Our brains use the same pathways to click the 'there is an update available' box away (this is a joke) 07:26:30 🙏🏾 07:27:33 💯 07:32:02 <321bob321:monero.social> its good when you can attack someone when they cant defend themselves 07:32:08 <321bob321:monero.social> weak 07:43:55 Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate) Backup: how do you like being the first news in issue 192? ;-) 07:45:02 <321bob321:monero.social> Wasnt me \0/ 07:51:48 I miss Howard. 08:07:32 Very random and old message to reply to. 🤔 08:19:12 Fuk can’t take a chill pill 09:14:03 When the robots rise up they'll take out tranny's first. 09:24:28 luigi1111w: plowsof , xmrscott are you all really this incapable of fixing this? 1 of the most important devs to the entire project just spelled out to you that they will not tolerate disruption and you still can’t do anything? 09:30:53 <321bob321:monero.social> So when he says jump? We go how high? 09:33:31 <321bob321:monero.social> There was coc in the room header pointing to libre.chat and matrix coc. 09:37:47 What are you talking about? 09:38:23 <321bob321:monero.social> You talking about lukes comments. 09:39:09 Who/what was said ? 09:40:50 Who is “he” and who is giving out commands? 09:41:29 Obviously 09:41:37 Who is “he” and what commands are being given out? 09:45:21 It’s not just 1 person. Anyone that actually does shit around here is fed up with the non-sense. And they’ll likely do the same if the non sense continues. The only people that are for continued disruptive behavior don’t contribute much (except for Monerobull). 09:46:19 If people want lulz they should go somewhere else for that shit 09:49:38 <321bob321:monero.social> Rip 09:49:45 <321bob321:monero.social> Lives under a rock 09:53:28 Opensource means freedom of speech 09:53:55 Especially when it directly relates to monero 09:56:31 if devs have so much problem, they should stick to dev channels where such trolling is not allowed 09:59:28 I agree 10:10:53 <321bob321:monero.social> With lukes proposal he wants 3k xmr, but lists cost for some? 10:11:26 meanwhile this channel is supposed to be where the CCS work happens which is directly related to funding the devs 10:11:40 why would they be interested? 10:11:51 it's not a place for trolling 10:12:05 <321bob321:monero.social> Tbh audit should be done by independant peoples 10:16:58 bob although it does not specify who is doing the auditing the discussion in MRL was as you suggest 10:17:45 in the past important changes have had multiple audits 10:27:12 got the exact same thought 10:29:10 Kayabanerves proposal is 880xmr for his own tasks (first set of milestones with amounts) the rest is for an MRL pot 10:35:06 I got a theory: Kayaba is actually in contact with a ransomware gang, that purposefully send its treasury to the general fund, so that Kayaba can receive this money in public. That's why the amount we've been receiving since its first gist draft of FCMP+SA+L correlate with the CCS amount. \* drop the mic \* 11:06:32 <321bob321:monero.social> -.- 11:45:12 Hopefully this isn't going to trigger another storm in the channel. 11:45:12 I've opened PR on my repo for the CoC (since its what it is supposed to be called). It is a lightly modified version of the Covenant Contributors CoC. I've marked the differences in the PR description: https://github.com/SyntheticBird45/monero-community-guideline/pull/1 11:45:13 Critics of these changes are appreciated. 11:46:50 Covenant CoC? Isn't it that woke retard CoC? 11:47:01 Strong no from me 11:47:14 wait read before judging please 11:47:38 The only CoC we need will have one line 11:47:47 "Don't be a jerk" 11:47:54 Done 11:49:03 I'm on my phone now, will read it later 11:50:09 alr 12:23:19 Here's the jerk version: https://github.com/SyntheticBird45/monero-community-guideline/pull/2 12:46:36 I think there's a happy medium between these two proposals. On one hand, it's pointless trying to exhaustively list all the different categories that one could harass another person against. Might as well mention accent, high metabolism, general goofy demeanor, and the quantity of fruits and veggies your parents fed you as a toddler. In addition to that, the wording of the covenan 12:46:37 t CoC makes it seem like harassment only comes from people exploiting each other's inherent social differences, when sometimes people are just jerks for no reason. Also, sometimes people are jerks for political reasons but hide it behind some other reason. On the other hand, the term "jerk" is ambiguous, and sometimes being a jerk is the best way to get a point across and actually 12:46:38 get people to change their minds and get off their asses. 12:50:52 We should be careful of the optics of adopting the Covenant CoC and excluding some ,but not all, of the personal characteristics in the "Our Pledge" section. For example, just dropping "race" and "color" makes it seem like we're okay with people harassing people based on race and color, but not those other properties lol 12:51:03 meeting in 2 hours 12:51:35 community meeting in 2 hours https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/988 12:52:15 matrix issue persist and irc is recommended? 12:52:34 yeah probably 12:52:57 Thanks for the insights, I see exactly what you mean. I'll try to address all of that in a third iteration. 12:53:08 yes. 12:53:19 yes still broken* :( 12:53:53 yesterday this channel somehow got updated on matrix.org near instantly because of the high activity. But for the meeting it'll not be the case 13:31:51 <321bob321:monero.social> Better of using monerologs with your on the matrix 13:46:39 > "- Do not be a Jerk" 13:46:40 Why Jerk is capitalized? 13:48:00 > "* Accepting responsibility and apologizing we fucked up" 13:48:01 I'm so sorry that you fucked up, lol. WTF is this? 13:48:09 well. I thought sech1 wrote it with a capital 13:48:23 when* 13:49:09 hey alright you got pointoffailure I'm making lot of typos. Wait for when it's not draft anymore 13:49:11 > "Having read, "All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten" (ISBN: 978-0-8041-0526-2)" 13:49:12 Did you get a donation for a product placement? 13:50:01 I'm corrupted yes. Why is this question. That's obvious that I'm completely biaised and that Robert Fulghum paid me 13:52:20 > A bad actor Jerk is someone ... needlessly argumentative 13:52:21 In other words someone who doesn't agree with you? 13:53:36 > "Community moderators are responsible for exterminating the Jerks." 13:53:37 ... With their disintegrator rays, lol 13:53:42 Alright so the fact that you are taking seriously the jerk version worry me. This is was supposed to half a meme. And wtf are you taking this one me, this is literally the definition coming from the monero repository 13:53:57 Alright so the fact that you are taking seriously the jerk version worry me. This is was supposed to half a meme. And wtf are you taking this on me, this is literally the definition coming from the monero repository 13:55:36 > "Community moderators have the right and responsibility to discuss whether someone is a Jerk." 13:55:36 That's exactly the issue that turned the Monero community into a dumpster fire 13:57:30 > "Being a Jerk is a fatality." 13:57:31 lol 13:57:40 Not in that sense. It's about discussing between moderators if someone's act is violating the rules or not. There is always a need for flexibility. What turned this channel into a dumpster fire is that ofrnxmr fan used several logical fallacies to justify that ofrnxmr is actually ok and that we're tyrans. 14:00:10 So far this one is cringe, looking for a "serious one" now 14:03:25 <321bob321:monero.social> Also will magic chip in for luke ccs? Since hes a board member? 14:26:23 No it's the opposite. MAGIC cannot host fundraising for or give grants to MAGIC Monero Fund committee members. It's a conflict of interest. 14:39:06 I'm reading https://github.com/SyntheticBird45/monero-community-guideline/blob/channels_coc/CHANNELS_CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md now 14:39:08 "everyone, regardless of age, body, size, disabilities, ethnicity, sex characteristics, level of experience, education, socio-economic status, nationality, personal appearance, religion, or sexual identity and orientation" 14:39:25 why this long list? Does the word "everyone" not include everyone already? 14:39:50 The serious one is essentially the same as the jerk one but a lot more wordy. Even AIs generate less water. Whoever wrote it should stop writing lengthy texts and should start reading more books. 14:39:50 Both are cringe, just let the mods write down the list of the most common reasons they typically banned people in the past and that would be it 14:40:02 I agree with you. It's just Covenant Contributor way. I opened a *Jerk* version and Jeffro shared the same opinion. It's useless to enumerate everything 14:40:07 "diverse, inclusive, and healthy community" makes me want to throw up. "Diverse, inclusive" are the words with bad reputation, it's the woke shit 14:40:59 the jerk version for reference: https://github.com/SyntheticBird45/monero-community-guideline/blob/channels_jerk/CHANNELS_CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md. It was supposed to be a joke but somehow it's more attractive 14:41:01 "The use of sexualized language or imagery" why not? 14:41:26 Posting sexy Monerochan pics not allowed anymore? 14:41:41 I think it is just in appropriate channel 14:41:47 Why such prejudice against sex and sexuality? 14:42:05 Probably to avoid porn and horny discussions 14:42:14 nothing bad with that 14:42:16 But It deserve to be clearer 14:42:33 I don't want to see porn in monero channels... 14:42:50 If they're 18+ why not? 14:42:53 Please explain 14:43:10 It's just again the woke shit trying to make sex a taboo 14:43:58 it's not woke its just ridiculous in serious channels to talk about sex, it just makes you look like an addict somehow. I guess you can talk of that in offtopic 14:44:12 that's my opinion but some might join your opinion 14:44:26 if more people don't condemn I can remove it 14:44:27 Also, I don't see why even mention it if Monero development, or general Monero topics are not related to sex/sexuality in any way. Except for maybe using Monero to pay for adult entertainent services 14:45:21 Which is a topic that can be discussed at some point, and this CoC straight up disallows it 14:46:24 monerochans hot af whats wrong with you 14:46:28 That's because some might think its ok to say *hot pussy* or *fucking cock* in a channel like Community Workgroup or Community dev. It's the primary concerns. It don't mean to disallow talking sexuality it's just condemn overusing it to appear innapropriate 14:46:40 inappropriate* 14:47:00 lol, and I thought monero-pools was as horny as it gets in Monero :D 14:47:39 there is a #monero-pool ? 14:47:52 lol 14:48:02 yes, but please don't join our little horny channel :D 14:48:24 tell monerochan to send nodes 14:48:27 alright. I'll add a mention that some rules do not apply when the channel description state about it 14:53:05 no necessarily state about it. but at least its clear somehow, somewhere 15:00:00 meeting time? 15:00:17 rbrunner7: 15:00:23 wrong handle mb 15:00:40 Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/988 15:00:48 Greetings! https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/988 15:01:00 Hi :3 15:01:09 hello 15:01:36 yo 15:01:50 Hi. 15:02:14 lets touch on some highlights as there is alot to cover in this meeting 15:02:28 any highlights people wish to share? :) 15:03:38 Hi 15:04:03 the latest revuoxmr issue @ https://www.revuo-xmr.com/issue-192.html has a screenshot of a monero hash chart, and p2pool is ranked quite high... as high as 3rd infact " - [p2pool top 3 hashrate!](https://p2pool.io/u/c8902bf0da0668c2/image.png) - sech1" 15:04:40 hi, am here but probably can't reply in time due to matrix issues 15:04:54 General fund donations.... an extra 400 xmr received today... 99.... many 100's... it continues.. i am losing track. amazing to see 15:05:12 @hinto https://web.libera.chat/ #monero-community channel 15:06:39 yes, matrix issues ongoing, can follow on monerologs.net to see replies (if you're on matrix dot org) 15:07:06 News: [Monero Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [The Monero Standard](https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard) - [Monero Moon](https://www.themoneromoon.com/) 15:07:47 we can jump into the ccs ideas unless people want to share something else? 15:07:57 rbrunner7 "wrote a fiction short story where remarkable donations play an important role in the plot: rbrunner7.github.io/fear.html " 15:08:21 Hi! I wanted to discuss concerns about @kayabaNerve's FCMPs+SA+L proposal and how it relates to Seraphis integration. I think its so cool that it might actually be possible, and I'm genuinely impressed that Luke was able to write up a possible path for it. However, I don't think that this should be the path forwards for the protocol for numerous reasons, and bottom line, I think that in practice, trying to do FCMPs+SA+L on Ring 15:08:21 CT won't actually deliver FCMP privacy must faster than if we go with Seraphis first. As such, I also don't think that we should be prioritizing generalized bulletproof audits before Seraphis audits in the CCS 15:08:25 crazy 15:08:29 ^ that my backup account (because .org is not reliable) 15:08:44 I am trying to get clues about the IP address origin of the new suspected spam transactions. If you run a node and want to share data with me later, please input `set_log net.p2p.msg:INFO` in your `monerod` console. Or if you don't use `monerod` in interactive mode, you can restart with the `--log-level=net.p2p.msg:INFO` flag. The information in this log will contain data on exact 15:08:44 ly when you are getting new transactions from each of your peers. 15:08:58 hi all 15:09:15 This will add about 1GB of data per day to your log file. Probably I would want to collect it in about a week. 15:09:24 thanks for confirming ct 15:09:43 1GB of data per day , thanks for the headsup, ill be checking closely 15:10:12 General Fund contributes to two proposals: [Rucknium Statistical Research](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/439#note_24009) and [CypherStack Generalized Bulletproofs Security Proofs](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/443#note_24008) 15:10:39 received quite a positive reaction on the twitters^ its nice to see the general fund contributing 15:11:13 thanks jeffro256we can jump into that in more detail soon 15:11:16 Why was the GBP proposal merged so fast? 15:11:53 jeffro256: Strong support at two MRL meetings 15:11:58 was a factor AFIAK 15:12:06 we even delayed it by a few days to reach the 2nd MRL meeting 15:12:29 I guess that's on me for not attending those meetings, but I thought all CCS proposals take at least 10 days to merge 15:12:39 My only concern is that FCMP looks like its being rushed through - are there appropriate 3rd party reviews or processes not coming from Luke that are overseeing this? 15:12:53 <0xfffc:matrix.org> Hi all 15:12:55 there was also a call for more autonomy in the 1st meeting so proposals from MRL can be discussed / merged quicker. this is why (although its not a hard rule) to let them vote officially on merging to the CCS at the last meeting 15:13:08 IMHO, if Cypher Stack cannot produce a security proof for GBP, then CS resources should go to Seraphis mathematics analysis. 15:13:56 i second this. seraphis is taking extremely slow and careful progress, not so with FCMP 15:14:46 yeah 15:15:04 That is mainly because FCMP+SA+L is meant to be deployed asap. The question would be if the CCS and actual proposal take consideration of this cycle for security analysis. 15:15:33 AFAIK, everyone involved in FCMP has said that they need mathematical security proofs, review of those security proofs, and audits of the implementation code before they are deployed on Monero's mainnet. 15:15:49 asap doesn't sound right to me. luke's tone in the last meeting seemed alarmist and thats how mistakes are made 15:16:00 ASAP doesn't sound right to me. Luke's tone in the last meeting seemed alarmist and thats how mistakes are made. 15:16:01 how do we feel aboutwhat happened with the GBP proposal. that it was primarily discussed in the MRL meetings, and voted on merge there? i hope this makes sense 15:16:50 I have a few scattered thoughts about FCMPs+SA+L that I'll put here (I'll do a better write-up later). For context, I'll start by giving a quick update where Seraphis integration is right now, since the stated reason for doing FCMPs+SA+L on RingCT is to get FCMPs out as soon as possible. Seraphis research is done, Seraphis PoC is done (with mocked blockchain), @dangerousfreedom has written a basic CLI that can import legacy wal 15:16:51 let files, create Seraphis txs, and transfer funds (using the fake blockchain object). New Jamtis changes need to be merged, but that doesn't really affect Core integration, just wallet library dev. Speaking of wallet library dev, @jberman has released a new async wallet scanner which is reportedly up to 2x faster than wallet2. The seraphis integration project is also spearheading phasing out wallet2, which devs have wanted for 15:16:51 years. 15:16:58 im not knocking it technically, just wanna make sure were not rushing into anything too fast without proper caution 15:18:04 thanks for the update jeffro256 15:18:28