01:25:06 this is how it looks like. and my total balance is unchanged too. 01:25:18 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/tetaneutral.net/BEZsKBlxoJiMMxWZAhwJvcsz 06:38:23 Is there a telegram channel? 09:06:49 <321bob321:monero.social> No telescam here 11:06:51 That looks a lot like it was sent 11:06:59 Consider rescanning the wallet 11:19:14 Ah yes, the money printer bug (/s) :) surely a combination of incorrect wallet restore date.. or a send to self.. local/remote node issues 11:20:19 The telegram group i know of (english) would be https://t.me/monero no_2 11:49:28 <321bob321:monero.social> So whats the status of multi sig? 11:55:13 right now or regarding FCMP++ 11:55:47 <321bob321:monero.social> ? 11:56:01 <321bob321:monero.social> It was meant to be fixed by now 11:56:15 <321bob321:monero.social> Wondering where its at 12:07:28 tobtoht has shared some progress recordings of multisig wallet creation (looked smooth/fast). back to back monero-core/feather releases (and other core pull requests e.g. guix repro builds) have relaxed/extended timeframes 12:09:44 <321bob321:monero.social> Maybe need more devs on it to help tob 12:37:08 Congratulations to gnuteardrops for getting fully funded so fast! Long life to monero.graphics. https://monero.graphics/about#help 13:01:07 nice! and a community meeting today 13:01:51 in 2~ hours https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/994 13:03:40 matrix dot org users please follow the meeting on monerologs.net , thank you https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/994 13:16:22 <321bob321:monero.social> Please and thanks 14:03:17 plowsof: Responded to your PR comments. Let me know if there is official policy here. 14:08:42 for the readers, its in ref to a -site blog post (to youtube, or not to youtube) https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2289 14:12:06 agree with kayabanerve 14:13:09 I'd distinctly call for getmonero.org proper to host the files, yet I don't have the care to spend the effort on that proposal. 14:13:53 It's not that I love Youtube, but if citing Youtube, we're citing Youtube. It's past the point of discussion IMO. 14:14:34 We need to remove the Youtube cite ideally. I just don't want to dig through file uploading/rights releases/embedded video players... 14:17:38 sounds sane, originally getmonero pointed to monerooutreach (which iirc indirectly linked to youtube anyway) 14:30:27 If we are talking about the promotional videos, why not upload them to peer tube and use that as the embedded player? 14:32:06 great idea to me 14:33:03 spread the word far and wide :) 14:34:22 Who knows, maybe while we're at it, we should host the website on IPFS and link to it with an unstoppable domains and or ENS. That way, if the getminero.org domain was ever taken away by corrupt governments, people would still have a way to access the site. 14:34:55 Who knows, maybe while we're at it, we should host the website on IPFS and link to it with an unstoppable domains and or ENS. That way, if the getmonero.org domain was ever taken away by corrupt governments, people would still have a way to access the site. 14:38:04 what are the privacy implications of peer tube? if it uses webtorrent it will expose your IP 14:41:23 I'm not totally sure that would have to be looked into a little bit more. 14:42:00 Does getmonero have a .onion? I checked tor times and didnt see one listed unless i missed it 14:42:51 yes 14:43:02 getmonero has an .onion mirror 14:43:14 it should get suggested automatically when opening the website in Tor browser 14:46:55 kayabanerve in monero-site "is this final" reg the blog 14:48:54 Perhaps title the 'Development' part should be removed from the title? Simply because the blog provides an overview 14:49:03 Just an idea though 14:49:33 Nope, just tried 14:52:12 works for me 14:52:43 it says .onion available and clicking on it redirects to the .onion site 14:56:25 Where on the page doesn't say that? Because I don't have any kind of JavaScript or anything enabled. 14:56:39 it doesn't say it on the page itself, the tor browser suggests it 14:56:54 in the URL bar 14:59:38 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/LbIQClTqNfbKpBELHPmxMjri 14:59:44 Nope 15:00:06 what browser is this? 15:00:23 Tor browser 15:00:57 we can ping pigeons about that tor url to confirm thanks 15:00:57 Hi 15:01:01 meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/994 15:01:03 shortwavesurfer2009: You have to visit the page first. It looks like you just typed it in without hitting enter 15:01:05 greetings 15:01:11 hello 15:01:15 works with the desktop browser https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/0Hqeqf58/tor.png 15:01:16 heya 15:01:22 Hello. 15:01:30 yo 15:01:56 has anyone read a suggested code of conduct from syntheticbird? care to share some quick thoughts? https://github.com/monero-project/meta/pull/991 15:02:51 shortwavesurfer2009: Onion hidden service URL is http://monerotoruzizulg5ttgat2emf4d6fbmiea25detrmmy7erypseyteyd.onion 15:03:18 Thx 15:04:17 I don't see strong support for a CoC for Matrix/IRC channels. Probably better to give moderators power to moderate based on their judgement 15:04:44 this has been 2 weeks of merges and successful ccs funding rouds! with 666.67 XMR from the General Fund donated to kayabanerves [research proposal](https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/fcmp++-research.html) ... after the several thousand of xmr in donations to celebrate moneros 10th anniversary , a transparency report was requested by dethe which 15:04:44 binaryfate has ack'd just now https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/998 15:05:11 And more self governance, i.e. people who are active in channels should moderate since they know the goals of the channels, can keep them on task, etc 15:05:52 +1 rucknium, I'd like the coc to be shorter, called it rules and put in the channel's motd/pinned message 15:06:09 Logs for last -community meeting did not get posted yet BTW 15:06:17 The COC is not needed, a simple "stay on toppic" should be enough 15:06:29 I support a CoC. I unfortunately haven't had the time yet to participate other than a few comments I shared directly with SB. 15:06:44 +1 15:06:47 I also support a CoC 15:06:49 yep, will get on that Rucknium,, ive been a victim of 'ill do it tomorrow ' 15:07:24 for example, bringing up sexuality in any form in a cryptocurrency workgroup room is offtopic 15:07:42 including all related insults 15:07:56 My frustration is when inappropriate people are inappropriate and then never get kicked and continue being inappropriate because they weren't so inappropriate, it's universally agreed they were inappropriate. 15:08:29 Mods need to at least enforce libera chat CoC 15:08:34 Maybe mods could use the No Asshole Rule: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_No_Asshole_Rule 15:08:37 I'm fine with an offtopic rule, as ceetee mentions, if it's combined with an explicit strike system and we enforce upon it. 15:08:54 no to CoC. youll just drive away more people than you already have 15:09:09 I'd appreciate if we had an official "town square" room, where rules are a bit more loose, this this room can focus on things like this meeting 15:09:24 I'm not fine if people continue insulting various minority groups but because they solely state their 'distaste' and don't use the worst slurs, they skate by. 15:09:43 pls, no vicitim mentality either 15:09:53 this is the internet 15:10:12 grow a pair or log off 15:10:25 the main issue with offtopic stuff is that the real work gets derailed and focus is lost 15:10:32 *fcmp dev logs off* lol 15:10:38 r4v3r23 As someone who has been harassed as a minority I'm not even, it's not a victim mentality to say we shouldn't enable that harassment. 15:10:42 pandering to those most offended never ends well 15:11:06 Saying people shouldn't be bad people, and then being told I'm the bad person for being bothered by the bad people, is the exact bs I'm talking about. 15:11:25 ceetee.mx: Agreed. I've personally been exhausted by irrelevant bs. 15:11:28 the second you go down the road of what people can and cant say its over 15:11:44 im with rucknium, leave it to the mods 15:11:56 an obvious troll should be banned 15:12:07 If someone wants a 'free speech' chat room, they can make one. Monero needs a basic 'don't be an asshole' rule at least and to enforce it. 15:12:14 other than that you can block/ignore 15:13:01 I'll be explicit, even though I don't want to start a personal feud and this inherently will. When I complain about a real issue and get told to "grow a pair or log off",. that should be flagged, and if continually happens, the person responsible should be kicked IMO. 15:13:03 great, so we keep changing the definition of asshole? 15:13:32 the individual is the smallest minority. pls no identity politics 15:14:34 a "real issue" is subjective. this is exactly what im talking about: we all have to cower to your sensitivites? 15:14:41 a "real issue" is subjective. this is exactly what im talking about: we all have to cower to your sensitivities? 15:15:01 this is exactly what CoCs encourage^^^ 15:15:20 kayaba the problem with a "free speech" room is that a lot of the drama in this room was because some people were not happy with the way community is run. It does not help posting compains in another room where those people are not present 15:15:24 i dont want an arguement over this eithet 15:15:27 i dont want an arguement over this either 15:15:30 there is no freedom of speech here, and there is already a libera CoC here 15:15:46 I don't believe repeated harassment of community members based on sex/gender is arguable as an issue. It's off topic and removes contributors to the project. If you don't believe it's an issue, then sure, we fundamentally disagree. 15:15:51 ok so why over regulate 15:15:56 close the IRC/matrix channels and go back to mailing lists? 15:16:27 ceetee.mx: I'm not calling for Monero to host a free spech room. I'm calling for people who can't play nice to fuck off. The definition of playing nice should be determined by the community. 15:16:43 wen Council of Niceness 15:16:49 but i am 15:17:05 @plowsof can i be on it 15:17:08 containment room works 15:17:20 can we move on 15:17:46 I personally would like the mods to be stricter. I don't want an 'explicit strike system', but if the version with the least rules and best enforcement is 'don't be an asshole' and 'amount of times you were an asshole and warned, ban upon >3', then I'm fine with that. 15:18:04 I'd actually call for a proper CoC, albeit a short one, with human warnings and with human agreement if there's multiple violations, they get kicked. 15:18:14 thanks all for sharing opinions / view points, mod team will look over them.. for those who do want a CoC, please consider reading synthetic birds contribution, its not long, maybe suggest some edits. that is all really 15:18:32 (so moderator discretion, yet with more enforcement and yes, more ground explicitly covered) 15:18:45 we dont need it 15:19:47 r4v3r23 You told me to grow a pair a few minutes ago. That hostility is part of the problem causing the CoC discussions .-. 15:20:12 it wasnt directed at you, yet yoi choose to be offended 15:20:31 your sensitivity is part of the problem 15:20:36 it was a general statement 15:20:57 It was directed at everyone in response to my commentary. 15:21:14 see this is what i mean.. 15:21:31 shall we move on plowsof? I think we're going in circles again 15:21:34 in other news, GNUteardrops fundraiser received support up to 2025! [about](https://monero.graphics/about) 15:21:39 pls 15:22:05 and ajs_ has suggested monerokon attendees set up external fundraisers where possible for travel / expenses, one example already is from anhdres 15:22:41 we can jump into the ccs idea/merge list if no one has anything else to share 15:22:53 Yes, we didn't do a CCS and have a thin budget for MK4 15:23:13 The MAGIC Monero Fund got a proposal: https://github.com/MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund/issues/28 Please comment if you want. 15:25:19 free open source no :( 15:25:33 And vtnerd posted an update on accomplishments about his current MAGIC proposal: https://github.com/MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund/issues/27 15:25:37 sounds like stackoverflow 15:26:18 The MMF committee will vote on Solve4Monero on Tuesday. It probably won't be approved. 15:27:15 For example, the FAQ says "All projects should be free and open source and related to Monero or an ancillary technology (like Tor, etc.) which helps Monero use." https://monerofund.org/faq 15:27:18 thanks for sharing Rucknium, wasn't aware of vtnerds update, thanks 15:28:50 we can move onto the ccs merge list me thinks 15:29:04 Are there any past projects from the proposer? I don't recognize the name 15:29:58 ceetee.mx: Not on Monero. I think they have worked on some BCH translation and education in Nigeria. 15:30:24 xmruw has been moved to funding/funded, congrats mrcyjanek , we dont have to cover that in depth unless you wish to share some updates? 15:30:41 ah okey. I'll read through the proposal after the meeting, but the "not open source" part doesnt look great 15:30:43 although ofrnxmr likes to view himself as a maverick true teller, he is the worst candidate to server as a community liaison 15:30:53 I'll start workin on xmruw next week plowsof 15:31:34 thanks mrcyjanek (i know its not only xmruw, just referring to that for convenience now) 15:31:48 b. [Seraphis General Paper Review](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/441) to be skipped / an MRL thing :) 15:31:52 and regarding the overfund, from the initial discussion I think that it is best to wait some time before making any decisions (to see my work first, and not tip before). 15:32:22 c. [help ofrnxmr take over the world](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/444) 15:33:31 highlighting the recent reply to my comment here https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/444#note_24096 15:33:44 the proposal is as far as i can see in its final form 15:34:21 i stand by my comment. ofrn does a lot of ccs related stuff anyway, and having recently gone thru the process myself i feel more people are needed to handle such an imporant part of the monero ecosystem 15:34:43 ofrnxmr tends to make accusatory statements without really taking the time to gather evidence and fully understand the issues he gets all worked up over 15:34:49 + from me. 15:35:11 especially when people try to convince the cc cooridnator against they view as competing proposal in DMs 15:35:16 regarding ofrn I really like the idea of being addinational CCS coordinator (or "just being ofrn"), while I had positive experience with plowsof, ofrnxmr also offered me help, and I can see that he doesn't drag his personal opinions into the public commends on CCS (despite having strong ones). +1 from me. 15:35:22 especially when people try to convince the cc cooridnator against what they view as competing proposal in DMs 15:35:34 ofrn overall is positive force for community. Particularly newcomers. 15:35:43 the whole system needs to be more robust and decentralized (ie, not just 1 person and luigi) 15:35:47 No, he lacks emotional intelligence, is unable or unwilling to critically evaluate complex issues in a nuanced, facts-based manner 15:36:04 i think ofrn is suitable for the role 15:36:25 some times you just need to get shit done, and know when to call out bs 15:36:39 effective is better than "nice" in this case 15:36:42 the Monero community is not a monolithic, it is made up of people who have different cultural, linguistic, and political backgrounds, who might not necessarily appreciate ofrnxmr’s communication style 15:37:03 It is ni 15:37:08 then they can speak to plowsof. thats the beauty of having a team 15:37:09 From what I have seen, ofrnxmr distorts reality to fit his opinion, especially when that opinion makes him the hero of the story. 15:37:51 Support questions and better documentation and "recipes" would be an OK role to work in. 15:38:13 and weve had previous mods who always played victim when being called out on their overreach. we need a balance 15:38:37 It is not about being nice. It is about being objective and tactful with criticisms 15:38:40 Two wrongs don't make a right. That's really strange reasoning 15:38:43 agreed, ofrn is better suited for backend then frontend 15:38:48 apparently he needs the help and this over the top ccs is a way to get attention 15:39:04 agreed 15:39:06 If we had an explicit CoC, that'd provide a framework for evaluating moderator actions 15:39:27 no, my reasoning is that it has been tolerated til now (and considering the CoC chat, even more so today), so there shouldnt be a problem 15:40:00 that shouldnt detract from his ability to help 15:40:41 I don't think ofrnxmr's modus operandi nor that of mods has been well tolerated. 15:41:22 +1 to r4v3r23, ofrnxmr despite having personal opinions is also objective and very helpful 15:42:53 Far from it, no -1 15:42:58 He's not objective. He has developed a narrative in which he is single-handedly responsible for pushing FCMP dev and research. 15:43:00 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/YeOanvwZePUlpzsejRillrPG 15:43:04 Isn't ofrnxmr a perfect example of someone with "different cultural, linguistic and political backgrounds?" His background is likely far different than 99% of you here. 15:43:35 exactly. as a persecuted minority, i know what its like 15:43:56 eudaimon36, he is, that's why we need him. And nobody is required to talk to ofrn if they don't want to 15:44:19 or donate for that matter 15:44:21 I just came to say that ofrnxmr has spent more time helping me than anyone--by far. He's harsh, yes, and I appreciate that. I can handle people with different backgrounds 15:44:32 would it help anyone if ofrn listed things where he has objectively helped the Monero project? otherwise, the proposal is final, and votes need to be tally'd / decision made 15:44:47 I have to second this 15:45:05 eudaimon36 very good point. I agree. 15:45:11 plowsof is it possible to see who voted for what? 15:45:13 and he has not changed the proposal to be ccs coordinator / co coordinator as i see 15:45:29 liberals tolerate everyone but non-liberals 15:45:33 im exactly the same way. at the end of the day results matter, and we need people who can get shit down 15:45:38 yes the sock accounts are blocking the 'others' who have voted up/down 15:45:59 im exactly the same way. at the end of the day results matter, and we need people who can get shit done 15:46:02 instead of looking around for reasons to complain and blame 15:46:04 bingo 15:46:16 embrace the assholes 15:46:18 you need them 15:46:21 ultimately, ofrnxmr cares so much it gets him worked up. But that is a healthy balance--someone really different 15:46:23 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> better to called them by their actual name leftist 15:46:42 oh no, we're getting political 15:47:10 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> liberals are mostly extinct group or most went to libertarian ones 15:47:15 I have funded ofrnxmr privately as much as I can for his now years of help. But just me doesn't pay for food and a roof. 15:47:17 unfortunately its just the truth 15:47:24 its a typical playbook 15:47:26 offtopic 15:47:28 overall, my point is, he has done a lot to help newcomers. Much more than many people who are raising (non-)issues right now 15:47:44 nothing poltical about calling a spade a spade 15:47:47 agreed 15:48:02 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> and i don't even know why i m commenting on this lol 15:48:16 hero narrative is a nice story, but he has done nothing substantial to merit the ccs 15:48:24 xFFFC0000: You talking about me? I've pushed through a lot of projects that were not my own, too. 15:48:27 His dedication to xmr, and more importantly, privacy, exceeds anyone I have met. And Monero should find a way to support him in his quest 15:48:31 hes no hero. but he has and does help 15:48:34 offtopic (the political part, thanks matrix delay) 15:48:39 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> seriously what was the topic lol 15:48:43 BCH<>XMR atomic swaps to mainnet, for example. 15:48:56 ofrnxmrs ccs proposal 15:48:58 rucknium hi ruck. not at all. It was not directed at anybody to be honest :) 15:49:12 do you want a list, ajs? 15:49:26 Ok thanks. 15:49:27 I do not want to be offtopic, merely voice my little voice in as strong a way as possible. 15:49:30 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> oh will look at it now 15:49:38 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> thanks for heads up 15:49:53 @plows 15:50:03 He will spend all his time helping people in xmr rooms. 15:50:16 No one can doubt that--he's shown it 15:50:26 are there other topics we need to discuss today? 15:50:31 that was my experience with ofrn too (point raised by eudaimon36) 15:50:44 @plowsof are you even willing to work with him on a team? 15:50:51 There are a lot of people spend lots of time helping people 15:51:40 ofrnxmr being a second CCS coordinator like plowsof isn't in his proposal, so probably we can stop discussing it. 15:51:42 All this drama 15:51:44 Looks so interesting 15:51:47 ajs-xmr wrong! I know there are quite a good people around, rucknium (and many othres) for example. But I have experience with a lot, who don't respond to any DM/email or anything else. 15:52:08 Not nearly as much as ofrnxmr--maybe Space Guide 15:53:10 At least not the loudest tumping their own horn 15:53:36 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> since samourai wallet got taken any one know here what happen to their monero atomic swap part 15:53:37 as a ccs coordinator co coordinator? no that would not work. for other goals i have no problem working to achieve things with ofrnxmr, i have done so in the past (termux wallet + proof of concept gift wallet) 15:54:03 termux node* 15:54:20 AFAIK, it used the COMIT protocol. I'd assume that was with COMIT's p2p network? 15:54:26 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> do someone have all the backup code since both github and gitlab once got taken down 15:54:49 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> or m i missing something ? 15:55:33 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> since samourai wallet got taken, any one know here what happen to their monero atomic swap part 15:55:35