03:47:50 hi 04:28:05 Why does xmr cost $150 on bisq? 05:52:46 Also what is going on here? 05:52:47 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/457 05:52:49 Is ofrnxmr really a scammer? 05:53:43 We need more DEXs so why is this proposal getting all the hate... 05:54:46 Non, ofrn has been cancelled by some of the community members / feds 05:54:47 Removing the best monero support person make no sense if what matter is monero 05:55:59 I feel like I'm missing something. Are all these comments fake then? 05:56:06 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/wRQuLLWYjBIUJQPcGfPOxFeN 05:56:27 yeah 05:56:27 probably just one fedperson 05:57:13 Who decides if the proposal is successful? I imagine that these comments won't matter 05:57:30 Someone who does not like ofrn 05:57:56 Only one person decides if the proposal is merged? 05:58:10 That isn't decentralized 😂 05:58:18 technically no, but one person have but mergebutton afaik 05:58:38 CSS are a joke 05:58:59 All those donations were given to the CCS? 05:59:14 Does that mean the whale donations were wasted? 05:59:55 Depend which one you ment 05:59:55 The "whale" sent them to the General Fund 06:00:08 With is also kind of centralized 06:00:21 Yes that's what I mean 06:00:54 Anyway, have to leave for now 06:01:14 👋 06:36:33 anyone interested in Ofrn's most recent CCS on behalf of the Particl devs themselves would do well to look at the Particl devs' own development and delivery history 06:38:16 they are notoriously bad at meeting timeframes, and totally uncommunicative about the specific reasons why their commitments get missed. it's not uncommon for them to commit to one thing then deliver something else months if not years after without clearly explaining what's going on in their private communication channels. 06:40:33 i'm sure one of them will point to their blog about how "open" they are with their development status. anyone sympathetic to that should do themselves a favor and look at the desktop client reportbacks for the last year or so. six months will go by with no changes and every week is "a brief delay is impacting development progress" 06:41:37 You should make a reply on the CCS with this information 06:42:29 BasicSwap Exchange is, for many unfortunate reasons, at this moment the only working properly defined DEX for Monero at the moment (ie no third party arbitrators required). i do very much and sincerely wish it was further along than it is, and believe me when i say that as i have watched its development for years 06:44:44 but that this proposal is coming from a team that has an unreliable development history, on behalf of Ofrn who himself is a disruptive clout chaser, without a proven development record. 06:45:29 i'm not saying it shouldn't be funded. as much as i don't like ofrn or the particl devs, BSX getting into usable shape asafp would be an enormous net benefit for the Monero community at this moment. 06:47:08 but if it's to be considered i think it should have more well defined milestones and terms, and some measures to insulate the possibility it doesn't work out 07:05:00 Rushing to fund a proposal because they promise the moon and the stars is also not that great of an approach 07:08:02 Proposals that lack the bare minimum of addressing specific problems and offering solutions , having well defined milestones, with a break down of costs should be considered as spam. 07:08:17 The CCS guidelines are the for a reason 07:12:03 Just because some self-righteous, entitled ass thinks they are “special” doesn’t give them license to make a mockery of the CCS system 07:16:56 and waste people’s time in the process 07:29:28 Apparently the backend dev for particl doesn't even agree with the proposal? 07:29:31 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/YqJcgsdiEOzEFBPsVwrKvNAj 07:29:45 All of this is confusing 07:36:57 This should put the matter to rest 07:37:02 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/JAoOVTkqhlWstYoEXkiiePpz 07:53:59 So ofrn is a scammer? 😂 07:56:50 <321bob321:monero.social> my issue is the clear troll accounts not being removed 07:57:09 <321bob321:monero.social> if thats what basicswap wants then up to them 07:57:44 They should be removed because I believed them for a second. I wonder what other readers would think 07:58:06 <321bob321:monero.social> clearly they are fake accounts 07:58:19 <321bob321:monero.social> blind freddy can see it 07:58:54 Even if the accounts are fake the comments they're saying looked legit. I didn't think it was a troll until I asked 07:59:10 Or maybe I'm just stupid... 07:59:12 A sight to be seen 07:59:30 <321bob321:monero.social> niave 08:00:17 <321bob321:monero.social> there should be a rule that people that can vote are members thats have been here min 3 months 08:00:27 <321bob321:monero.social> and you vote with that nick 08:00:58 <321bob321:monero.social> if you against something grow some balls and post under a nick people know you under 08:19:12 That's what happens when moderation is lacking 08:23:54 It becomes a toxic, free for all circus 08:23:56 agree 08:32:15 plowsof: given the spam of fake accounts, ask the alleged dev to post a gist note from his GitHub profile disavowing the proposal 08:40:51 can gitlab 'defederate' certain email providers 🤔 or move to manual verification only, this can happen to anyone 08:44:30 https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/administration/settings/sign_up_restrictions.html#allow-or-deny-sign-ups-using-specific-email-domains , the spam accounts share the same email servers as teconovert and yasabi strangely 08:48:17 321bob321: the three month rule is also easily gamed. 08:49:26 It's sad so much time is being spent on these proposals. 08:53:08 @yasabi:matrix.org Are you https://repo.getmonero.org/y2sabi? 08:53:19 So all the accounts are fake... 08:53:37 <4rkal:monero.social> Has anyone used robosats.com ? P2P dex, built on lightning with Monero support. 08:54:06 does the account of the alleged dev comes from the same email server ? 08:56:32 tecnovert , yasabi, and Ban Ofrn From CCS share the same email server and the pattern of randomletters@*.same.homeserver 08:57:23 Can you see the ip address for each account? 09:02:17 you will only see the ip of the mail server, more interesting is to see WHOIS info of the domain name. 09:02:31 please plowsof read your dm 09:02:43 I beg you 09:03:24 the ips come from cloudflare so no (im not a sys admin though) 09:03:59 * plowsof finds the monero dot social device 09:04:00 Can you share the domain/ip addresses? 09:04:42 Maybe I can have a look 09:04:49 we all originate from cloudflare so the ip is irrelevant (not a sys admin) 09:05:00 nvm my removed message, plowsof read your monero.social dm 09:05:58 Is this the ip for the mail servers or the ip from registration/login? 09:09:29 alias email maybe ? 09:12:50 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/OsazyWqPtKHKsLjotgrlhpYP 09:13:12 Well, looks like this CCS proposal will need one more correction... 09:15:31 Nothing proved yet 09:16:04 elaborate ? 09:16:33 I thought robosats was only for btc? 09:17:04 I can't sort by xmr as a currency. Where do you see monero support? 09:17:33 I think everyone has referred to https://kycnot.me/service/robosats 09:19:41 If it was a reference to the comment from the dev of basicswap, it seems probable that it is a fake account if it comes from the same email server than all the other fakes account 09:21:30 I'm the one that contacted the devs. Their comment isn't fake 09:22:18 I'm so confused now. So this isn't fake? 09:22:20 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/XcaCmwzZjgZBhdMNKYMhOHfr 09:22:33 ah I wasn't aware. 09:22:35 Well we will be clear once he proves it with a gist. 09:22:51 this isn't. I obviously won't share the dm because they didn't allowed me but this isn't fake 09:23:17 How do you know? Plowsof proved that the email server is the same as the troll accounts... 09:24:27 Because I talked to them? also I think plowsof was referring to an alias server. I wouldn't surprised if everyone used simplelogin mail servers 09:25:12 So they explicitly told you that was their comment? 09:25:14 but you can reject my statement if you want. I have no proof, of what I'm saying. You'll have to wait for the gist 09:25:19 we can ignore the same email server for now, i just note it looked strange. and yes, probably the "easy" registration servers we can force manual verification on moving forward 09:26:11 Hmm wtf is going on here 09:26:13 be careful with the word "proved". As you can see interpretation is more likely. 09:26:47 No no. I made them aware. If I didn't contacted them they wouldn't even know about the CCS proposal. And yes, this comment is essentially saying the same thing I received 09:27:13 So a bunch of trolls spamming everywhere 09:27:15 And they have one thing in general 09:27:17 Haveno lovers? 09:27:47 So its rejected for now 09:27:49 doesnt' remove the fact that all those accounts with same syntax for the name are probably fakes account. 09:28:48 even if fakes comment should just be ignored and not taken into a reason to accept the proposal. 09:28:59 Unfortunately devs tell themselves that in their comment that they are not willing to accomplish said milestones so yeah pretty much screwed up 09:29:17 Bro they literally disliked untraceable's comment too 09:29:19 Haveno gang going strong 09:30:48 Hell it could even be ofrnxmr making reverse psychology (I doubt it). 09:31:48 I would hardly see the long-term benefits of destroying its own reputation but ig its a theory 09:33:17 There's a higher chance of it being LE than reverse psychology from him 09:33:21 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/GDMYxWVKcVUUxXRIJtunjTkK 09:33:23 With an instant payout of 650 xmr, there's not much long-term thinking. Grab the bag and run 09:33:46 for real 09:34:15 That's why I asked for the ip addresses. We can find out the truth from them 09:34:33 Make lots of spam noise to appear as the victim -> cry that you are being persecuted and that you're just a poor honest guy trying to help, but your haters are taking it too far 09:35:00 I would be highly disappointed if plowsof gave out an ip address just for the sake of fighting trollers tbh 09:35:13 wait isn't it Trump career ? 09:37:44 So with your previous message you said "Haveno lovers maybe?" and it has now become "Haveno gang going strong". Are you blindly making assumptions and jumping the gun? Do you have a vested interest in this proposal, and dismissing criticism against it? Have they explicitly tokd you it's their comment? :) 09:37:59 127.0.0.1 09:38:09 epic fail 09:38:27 nvm epic ip 09:54:57 So, I see two possible outcomes right now: 09:54:57 - tecnovert posts a gist on their github account with the same reply of the ccs, confirming that ofrn is lying => the proposal is a confirmed scam, ofrn is a confirmed scammer, we shut it down and call it a day 09:54:59 - tecnovert *doesn't* confirm their reply/account in some other provable way => that means that so far we have a proposal from a problematic individual, with vague milestones asking for lots of money upfront, and so far no real contact from the real devs (supposedly) involved, plus a lot of suspicious spam/trolling and a potential impersonation attempt (i.e. that could still be te 09:55:01 cnovert, we just don't know for sure) 09:55:03 Either way, it doesn't look like the premise of a successful proposal that will deliver a good result 09:57:34 ofrnxmr hasn't responded yet and that's suspicious in itself as he knows this potentially fake dev comment exists... 09:59:47 I can't wait to see whats his response will be 10:03:56 are you sure ? y do you assume hypocrite. after ofrn criticized haveno these troll comments appeared. basicswap works flawlessly with ofrn's installer (haveno jealous) 10:05:21 And ofrn isnt even allowed here to respond. 10:05:23 weirdo. are you a control freak? 10:05:45 negative IQ 10:05:50 lol, “installer” https://raw.githubusercontent.com/nahuhh/basicswap-bash/beta/scriptinstall.sh 10:06:24 LMAO 10:07:14 Hmm, another account (double account, in fact) coming here after my message just to reply against me, make baseless allegations in an attempt to dismiss criticism, and call me a weirdo and control freak. Any chance you're related to py.verse? 🤣 10:07:16 That is nob level script kiddie bashing skills 10:07:49 Don't feed the troll 10:09:08 That is, in fact, ChatGPT level of bash scripting skills. Look at the style of the comments. This is basically what you get by asking it to make a script that downloads the latest release from a repo and unzip it 10:09:41 Though, on the other hand, one could argue that a noob level script *that works* is better than no script at all 10:10:05 weirdos with all ur assumptions 10:10:43 phony endor is jealous his ccs doesnt get recognition 10:10:49 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/deWJPEbXOGIooAsAYMQQLYqn 10:10:57 that is valid assumption tho 10:11:08 Oh hi ofrn 10:12:07 Guess you don't like it when you get the same treatment (hell, better even) you have reserved to others all these years 10:12:21 😂😂😂 10:12:23 I tell ya ur clueless. always criticizing when ofrn isnt allowed to speak and allowing sockpuppets to run loose against him 10:13:37 no one remembers u 10:13:52 He's allowed to speak on the ccs repo. Yet the proposal is still in a terrible state, and we're waiting for confirmation from one of the devs involved to see if it's a 100% scam or still "just" a terrible proposal 10:14:13 lmao he left 10:14:26 Don't forget your other alt amnesia: 10:14:31 u can do fiat -> btc -> xmr apparently, no apparent fiat -> xmr sadl 10:14:34 u can do fiat -> btc -> xmr apparently, no apparent fiat -> xmr sadly 10:15:13 well mission accomplished. We can call it a day. let's go back to our scheduled trading discussions and other CCS proposal 10:15:26 os it's like Bisq 10:15:33 so it's like Bisq 10:17:50 yep, so i recommend just buying a ton of xmr for fiat on localmonero while you still can, make sure you still keep in touch with a trusted xmr vendor, and hold your breath until haveno comes out 10:18:14 the install script(s) are in the zip file. as a result of this, 0xfff added something to monero-core ( add proxy to wallet-rpc set_daemon ) 10:18:27 imo having to buy btc to get some XMR is a heresy, and you're loosing value when buying it. not acceptable imo 10:19:45 having to buy btc to get some XMR is a heresy, and you're loosing value when buying it. not acceptable imo 10:22:10 LMAO'ing at a series of install scripts that uncovered a useful feature for monero-core https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/9160#issuecomment-1937087155 10:24:58 fair enough 11:00:53 You're being unfair. Why are you accusing ofrnxmr of using chatgpt without proof? It's clear he doesn't use it with all his commits that contain mistakes. After reading the backlogs, despite his extravagant behavior, it doesn't seem fair to abuse ofrnxmr who once received a death threat by another community member (mj) that you allowed to make threats as a moderator. 11:00:55 As I dig deeper into the history of monero and ofrnxmr, the responses against his ccs don't make any sense and are clearly designed to discredit him for ulterior motives. We should stick together as a community, especially after everything that is happening in the privacy space with localmonero, samurai, wasabi, and other projects shutting down. If the ccs is not perfect, we shoul 11:00:57 d offer suggestions instead of jumping to conclusions and accusing community members as potential exit scammers. I find it suspicious that you, midipoet the movie scammer sympathizer (https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371), and the crackhead syn who abandoned cuprate are abusing ofrnxmr for no reason. 11:00:59 Ofrnxmr may not have a voice, but there are people who will dig deep through as many logs as they can to find the truth. I wonder what else exists... 11:05:46 <321bob321:monero.social> This childish shit needs stop. Its making monero and monero ccs look like its a pre school. 11:07:09 First time I'm called a crackhead 11:07:38 I did my research and the people who have been accusing ofrnxmr for no reason are far from innocent 11:07:58 lmao enlight me what am I guilty of 11:10:07 When it turns out that tecnovert is fake, there will be ample evidence stacked against you :) I'm not going to argue back and forth as that will make this chat worse than it already is. I just wanted to make it known that ofrnxmr is no scammer to any readers who care to listen 11:41:26 Alright ladies and gentlemen. This is 4D chess game we're assisting since yesterday. the tecnovert account is fake 11:45:45 ig that's why bufowas so confident about preparing bullshit allegations against some of us 12:12:28 https://decrypt.co/229739/monero-backed-film-limite-injustice-mexican-american-border 12:12:47 ccs in the news 12:15:04 It's a scam! 12:15:10 Why didn't they say that!! 12:15:19 Can't trust the media these days!!! 12:15:54 <321bob321:monero.social> Puff piece 12:15:54 (: 12:20:56 "while just this month, the UK government singled out privacy coins as "not conducive to the public good."" 12:21:25 people told me Watchdogs Legion was a video game... 12:28:38 Can we have the real devs of basicswap commenting on the issue ? 12:32:57 you asked it, here it is : https://gist.github.com/gerlofvanek/897c80c69c1ddba8b1ef09d66172e353 12:38:27 good, but that's not enough. We need to ask them if ofrxmr contacted them for this proposal. 12:51:51 Well, "good" is relative. I am starting to get really pissed about that whole thing, something that happens quite rarely. That impersonating and social engineering was like crossing a limit to me. 12:52:04 It's a pre school when pre school kids are making critical decisions 12:52:53 And wouldn't you think that if those devs were really happy about that CCS they would make contact and comment on their own? Common sense? 12:54:53 SyntheticBird: 12:54:55 I guess it's time for you and your little gang to man up and apologize for all of the false accusations right? 12:56:28 And we should consider cleaning up the main discussion group from trolls accounts like endor00: 13:00:42 I call to apologize for false accusations followed by a false accusation 13:00:47 brilliant 13:01:09 *A call 13:02:44 rbrunner7 yes, the must have known about this proposal for quite some time now 13:17:27 You can say the same thing in other way, if devs were unhappy they could comment on their own 13:18:58 https://mises.org/mises-wire/arrest-samourai-wallet-developers-shows-us-government-hates-privacy-and-freedom 13:18:59 Hello, here is a little article of mine on the Samourai issue. It also mentions Monero delistings. 13:21:08 very opinionated conclusion but overall good explanations at each point. From the little I've read 13:28:33 if they know about it 13:29:07 is IRC bridge delayed? 13:30:52 as you know matrix dot org has issues with other servers and the relay to IRC is on monero social 13:31:38 yes but I'm on monero.social. "if they know about it" appeared 10 minutes after you message ro rbrunner. that's why i was asking 13:32:36 oh, then maybe you are missing the response from pyverse on matrix 13:33:02 You can say the same thing in other way, if devs were unhappy they could comment on their own 13:33:31 no no I see it 13:34:06 if they were told then they must know about it is the point 13:35:01 get it 13:35:10 if they were included 13:35:44 so much speculation :) 13:36:05 I mean. I claim to have talked with them in dm and they weren't aware. tho I can't share screenshots so I've no hard proof. 13:38:43 here is something to keep uncontroversial that will keep monero functioning smoothly ............. 13:39:10 https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-13.html 13:39:44 I need to reread after editing lol 13:43:29