01:21:02 <321bob321:monero.social> “Id also request that all funds to be held by ccs coordinator (not luigi or core).” 01:21:11 <321bob321:monero.social> Rip 01:21:20 <321bob321:monero.social> Doesnt trust core 01:23:49 <321bob321:monero.social> “Disconnect SMSG from Particl blockchain” 01:23:51 <321bob321:monero.social> This? Its under scope 02:15:53 https://monero.town/post/3260716 02:17:59 updates in https://t.me/haveno 02:21:33 <321bob321:monero.social> Is havenofund.org like monerofund.org ?? 02:22:52 <321bob321:monero.social> As soon as any trade complete on Haveno and fees go to main address, system will send split profits to MainFund, HavenoFund and LegacyFees 05:47:27 Wasn't this "HavenoMain" thing already identified as a scam? https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1d029rj/some_subhuman_scum_are_currently_trying_to/ 05:48:14 Maybe you should reach out to the BasicSwap team before spewing retarded bullshit. You're slandering without knowledge. 05:48:30 I am usually careful with such accusations, but why on earth should a project collect all those domains? 05:49:20 Maybe you should have reached out to the BasicSwap team before slandering us. We've always been available. 05:51:22 If you can't figure out the code it doesn't mean that BasicSwap isn't decentralized or open-source. We're always open to answering questions but you've never reached out to get answers to your "concerns". It seems you're acting in bad faith. 06:04:28 All you have to do is run a BasicSwap node and you can monitor your SMSG messages sending and receiving messages. 06:04:29 You did not even bother to do that. Please quit your slander and ask us questions if you are genuinely interested in knowing. 06:04:33 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/TxEoBdAoQvxsSZmxCytsuaPb 06:07:17 > <@silverpill:poa.st> Wow, interesting discussion. 06:07:19 > I don't think SMSG is "decentralized to the fullest extent possible", but even if that is true, there's still Particl coin. Even CCS author says it is bad. 06:07:21 > ofrn should fork the BasicSwap, remove SMSG and replace it with something else 06:07:23 All you have to do is run a BasicSwap node and you can monitor your SMSG messages sending and receiving messages. 06:07:25 You did not even bother to do that. Please quit your slander and ask us questions if you are genuinely interested in knowing. 06:22:03 The entirery of the code is open-source. Please point exactly how it is a "centralized exchange which is being presented to us as a DEX". 06:22:05 Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. 07:13:50 The entirety of the code is open-source. Please point exactly how it is a "centralized exchange which is being presented to us as a DEX". 07:13:51 Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. 07:17:33 community meeting today in about 7 hrs 43 mins https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1008 07:29:48 > in about 7 hrs 43 mins 07:29:49 oddly specific 07:31:11 plowsof: Maybe CryptoGuard is not yet aware about the federation problems with matrix.org, maybe some note to them would be in order. I am a bit confused as well about their screenshot that looks like it's output from monerologs.net: Do they wonder what happens there when they correct something on Matrix? The Monero project and the BasicSwapDEX project are just now getting to know 07:31:13 each other, we are so to say on our first "date", and it would be unfortunate to produce misunderstandings already now :) 07:49:37 <321bob321:monero.social> thats when the nuke take off 07:52:49 tap tap tap. Is thing thing on? 07:54:39 ofrnxmr: Think so, yes. I see you here on Matrix. 07:55:54 Just here to say: lol @ the quality of fud. Shameless, really. Y'know what they say about opinions. I'm not sure I've heard any valid criticisms. Bas faith actors sending DM's to the basicswap team, clearly in attempt to waste their time while never once trying to contact me - the proposer 07:59:59 Majestic's claims are completely ridiculous. I'm embarrassed that BSX team is being dragged in to these absolutely pathetic attempts to discredit. Chatgpt could have answered these concerns. Lazy at best, malicious at worst, in any case, its dishonest. "I looked" lol, no, no you didnt, and you definitely didnt ask. 08:02:03 when did monero devolve into a project that just spreads lies? 08:03:06 <321bob321:monero.social> wb 08:05:42 plowsof: there should be an item to resolve all the pending issues and PRs in Monero Meta repo. There are somethings in there open for years. 08:05:43 @silverpill - is network.py used anywhere? Yes 08:06:47 Monero meta repo stopped being worked on when erc banned me from working on the issue i was working on. Lol? Cmon plowsof 08:07:37 Ajs and midipoet. Why do you keep telling plowsof to do my job 💀. 08:08:26 We as a the Monero project "just spread lies"? Are we a bit tense on this slow Saturday morning? Maybe relax a bit and enjoy the fact that Monero and BasicSwapDEX get closer now, with corresponding good chances. I probably will never understand this desire to answer every single line of FUD with the equivalent of an atomic bomb going off. Such a waste of effort. Keep the nukes for 08:08:27 important cases, please. 08:08:47 @rbrunner - no, monero community, not project 08:09:42 You did write project, didn't you? "when did monero devolve into a project that just spreads lies?" 08:11:00 <321bob321:monero.social> defamation law suit inbound 08:12:01 Youre right, i did. I misspoke. I'm of course only referring to the people who have been acting in self interest for years, and who have been caught red handed doing so 08:12:48 And there are a lot of such people. I am absolutely not referring to people who act with integrity 08:15:40 Wasnt meant as a jab in general. Was a failed attempt to not name names... usually i call people out directly, but these people know exactly who they are. I'm not referring to you, but to people who would rather make accusations and go out of their way to get basicswap demoted on kycnot.me, without ever asking a question or reading the code 08:16:10 Or to claim to have done a deep dive on the source code, only come back and claim that its a cex and not open source 08:17:48 Youd think "these claims are so ridiculous, they are just noise", but nope. for some reason, these absolutely outlandish lies are taken at face value. 08:22:03 And yes, its incredibly embarrassing. Not the noise - no. The noise is to be expected. What is embarrassing that real devs are expected to stop focusing on work so they burn themselves out by responding to such ridiculous claims, not to mention being impersonated, and having their DMs spammed 08:31:38 "will never understand this desire to answer every single line of FUD" << thank for you correctly categorizing it for what it is: FUD. (i responded to this earlier, seems to have disappeared). Why respond? Because the ccs coordinator posted this 10 day old fud on the CCS 12hrs before the meeting, on a friday night, and requested a response. Of 08:31:38 course, this fud could have been clarified in private, but it was posted on the CCS as if they were valid concerns. 08:34:30 MajesticBank if youre try to install basicswap or understand how it works - no, it does not creatre binaries. It runs in a python virtual environment (venv), and runs from the source code 08:39:49 There are no releases, tags or packages available (yet). My install scripts essentially just set the environment variables and startup flags before running basicswap-prepare.py to setup, and then do the same with basicswap-run.py to run it. 08:51:48 This would be FUD from monero contributors in the community channel, it had push back ofcourse for not actually proving anything and at one point silverpill stated he wouldnt waste his time by contacting basicswapdex, instead, going directly to kycnot me to discuss the 10/10 rating which pluja modified, they can speak on this matter publicly if 08:51:48 they wish to. 08:54:04 .bbl 08:54:24 "he wouldnt waste time contacting basicswapdex. Instead went straight to kycnot.me" << sounds like it was done in food faith /s 08:56:01 Is this the coordinator smearing fud before a meeting? Or raising something after we finally have a 'this proposal is real' from basicswapdex because those people will continue bringing it up .. or wait until the meeting themselves 08:56:04 .bbl 08:56:38 The proposal has been real since day 1. 08:57:29 ttyl 10:48:29 ofrnxmr, I would like to ask a question that have not been asked yet afaik. Since the start of your CCS proposals, there has been a wave of incoming *ofrn's fan* that wished to express their support to you. Not only publicly and sometimes agressively/spreading FUD, but in DMs also (I've received 2), claiming weird "revolutionary" intent. 10:48:31 Do you know about these accounts and do you support their intents (more particularly on the FUD part) ? 10:48:33 I hope your answer will help me revise my opinion about you in a positive manner, I'm already happy to see that the BSX team has been willing to work with you. 10:49:16 Idk how ping work on IRC so if anyone can ping ofrn that would be appreciated 10:51:53 ofrnxmr: it is my understanding Monero meta is for general matters not assigned to any particular individual to manage 10:51:55 IMO, Monero community meetings would be an appropriate forum to discuss, merge, close issues/PR 10:52:01 There are issues open since 2018 11:05:11 <321bob321:monero.social> Midi was going to run a seperate meeting for meta issuez 11:16:44 <321bob321:monero.social> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1d029rj/some_subhuman_scum_are_currently_trying_to/ 11:16:45 <321bob321:monero.social> Rb this? 11:53:50 The fans and the banofrns are mostly all bad actors / the same person 11:54:17 Monerobull can confirm the same 11:54:41 @synthethic 11:57:10 ajs - most of the issues can be dealt with without meetings by simple doing a followup / checking the status 11:59:37 Selsta, plowsof and myself cleaned up much of meta up until i was banned. I took it upon myself to do the work, because nobody needs to waste time at meetings to check is a T was crossed or if an plan was dead. Some meta issues are more like discussions than they are resolved, some are ideas that have long been implemented or are no longer valid 12:00:09 s/resolved/resolvable 12:02:02 if there are issues that can be closed send them to me 12:10:06 @synthetic - some of those "ofrnfans" (the ones with real handles and real social accounts) arent fans. They are people who ive helped or worked with for months or years. Some of them arent active speakers, but long time lurkers - folks who have reached out in -support or another room for help at some point or another. But yes. Some of them are 12:10:06 clearly the _same_ person(s) that are behind the banofrn and Bitcoinist accounts. and yes, the fake supporters dm me too. 12:13:25 I did everything! I am the savior of Monero! Now give me 2k XMR for install scripts. Kthxbai. 12:13:45 Don't disapprove of me or I'll curse you! 12:16:09 hey buddy - ive been working with them for months. Dishonestly will get you nowhere. I really have nothing to say to someone like you. 12:16:24 @synthetic https://x.com/monerobull/status/1786338397604258233 12:18:04 What dishonesty? Everyone's fed up with you being a total turd everywhere, to everyone. 12:24:27 Speak for yourself 12:24:42 #offtopic 12:26:22 Hilarious. 12:26:52 The funniest times are when he tries to keep channels "on topic". 12:26:59 (btw, why don't you tell the world who wrote the speech that got you unbanned) calling _me_ a turd? what were you banned for again? not responding to you anymore. Best of luck with your turncoat nonsense. kthxbye. 12:27:35 😂 12:28:06 Where is the "I really have nothing to say to someone like you."? Why you keep talking to me bby? 12:29:08 I havent been active here for months. Its funny how you try to drag me into your mudwrestling then beg me in dm's to be nice to you. I've grown tired of babysitting you. ✌️ 12:29:47 And he keeps doing it! 12:29:50 Do us all a favor, and slide into my dm's or stfu 12:29:57 write a diary or smthn 12:30:03 Do as you say and stfu, don't interact with someone like me! 12:33:33 <321bob321:monero.social> Ladies people wait for monerokon boxing fight 12:39:04 <321bob321:monero.social> Bedtime. ^ doesnt make sense 12:49:26 https://i.imgur.com/hHW81be.gif 13:04:40 It should be removed completely, there is no reason to use a custom protocol. It's a waste of time and money. 13:04:41 Or better: direct resources to noot's ETH-XMR swaps and Unstoppable Swap. These tools were built by competent people, but neglected by the community. Why not support them? 13:10:33 Serai uses its own blockchain for the same legitimate reason 13:10:52 What? 13:11:42 Silver - smsg is the orderbook and allows bidirectional atomic swaps 13:11:49 Distributed, trustless, order execution consensus 13:12:24 Bad? Perhaps 13:12:25 Without reason? Nah 13:13:41 silver - "Integrations of atomic protocals such as those from BCH and ETH", its literally listed as a part of the milestone 13:14:29 None of these protocols on their own CAN support bidirectional atomic swaps because monero doesnt support it. You need a decentralized orderbook aka smsg or similar 13:15:51 Smsg is inspired by bitmessage - what monero uses for multisig 13:18:06 smsg could have come to monero to fix the multisig ux. Smsg is _loosely_ tied to particl. This seems to be your main issue? That tou dont like the particl project.. but youre not showing that you know anything about smsg (or bitmessage) 13:21:36 unstoppableswaps is LITERALLY just a poor frontend for comit network swaps. Basicswap takes what unstoppable did, adds a decentralized orderbook, and extends use from xmr <> btc to also include ltc (doge (soon), particl, dash and more] + bidirectional swaps 13:23:05 Eth swaps are limited to xmr <> eth. Unstoppable is xmr <> btc. Basicswapdex combines multiple swap protocols AND makes them bidirectional. Maybe you should try it for yourself. Many others have, such as seth and untraceable 13:30:00 "no reason" << except for bidirectional swaps, adaptorsig (scriptless scripts) swaps, enabling coins not named bitcoin, a decentralized orderbook, etc etc. even xmr <> doge works because the swap protocol doesnt have to be agnostic. 13:30:34 There's even a bounty for someone to do xmr <> ltc --- basicswap has had that completed for (over?) a year 13:33:43 "Bridge orderbooks from other services such as Samourai" (unstoppable, etc) << theres also this. Basicswap allows "private" orderbooks and theres a potential that we can enable interacting with samourai and unstoppableswaps (extremely thin, unidirectional, almost obsolete) offers 13:34:57 samourai is also just a frontend for comit 13:36:08 Yep. Which makes adding it not impossible. Basicswap support comit style swaps as well as adaptorsigs 14:53:58 theres no point in samoruai swaps now that their centralized coinjoin is down 15:00:02 Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1008 15:00:16 echo Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1008 , greetings 15:00:18 hi 15:00:35 hello 👋 15:00:42 Hello. 15:00:56 Hello! (I am Janaka) 15:00:58 matrix dot org clients, a reminder that messages will be delayed and you should follow on monerologs.net cc CryptoGuard 15:01:52 O shit waddup. 15:02:09

Yo 15:02:37 whats happened since the last meeting? we can jump into the ccs merge list ideas / meta issues asap but there was a blog post for monerokon @ https://www.getmonero.org/blog/ ... some fund raisers to attend it even 15:03:19 #haveno is picking up some steam viathe #haveno-reto team (which are communicating on simpleX iirc) ... 15:03:57 we've just this moment had a ccs idea to resurrect the monero signer with some pretty fast promises of completion from vthor, can talk about that later 15:04:28 Thank you plowsof :) 15:04:49 News: [Monero Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [The Monero Standard](https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard) - [Monero Moon](https://www.themoneromoon.com/) 15:05:09 Hello. 15:05:24 i guess the monero standard will cease to exist soon recanmann , or will you continue on another platform? 15:05:56 Should probably take The Monero Standard off the list moving forward. LM is winding down. 15:06:00 Great minds think alike. 15:06:10 God forbid I ever think like a Briton though... 15:06:16 good idea. 15:06:20 😂😂 15:06:48 i also shared an estimate of ccs earnings for alot of contributors @ https://text.is/X9910 15:07:01 hello , is the meeting on ! 15:07:59 so far the tesla proposal is the highest earner vroom vroom 15:08:00 I see Tuman in the list, did he get paid in the end? 15:08:23 yes, that usd value is the price 'on payout day' 15:09:16 we can jump into the ccs merges unless theres some big news im overlooking 15:09:40 kayaba going full steam ahead with his FCMP++ work.. sneedlewoods recently became a seraphis dev with a merged PR... 15:10:50 https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/ v1do was merged to funding ... rottenwheel put up a fundraiser for monerokon travel also https://kuno.anne.media/fundraiser/7fw9/ 15:11:29 good stuff man 15:11:41 how can i forget nihilists blog 15:12:04 https://blog.nihilism.network/ -> worth a look.. some haveno tutorials included 15:12:46 let me know if you want any tech showcased on my blog btw, haveno dex was the latest addition lately 15:13:09 ive seen a few users recommending / commending you work, thank you 15:13:26 np :) 15:14:22 hi sorry I'm late 15:14:41 hello 15:15:26 any updates you wish to share diego? it appears we're closing the seraphis general paper review for now 15:15:46 and skipping over Droplet 15:16:02 https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/ 15:16:06 Wasn't Droplet voted to close? 15:16:23 yes 15:16:29 sad. Since I'm pretty sure it can be done concurrently with current work. 15:17:03 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/441#note_24681 15:17:24 a. [Seraphis General Paper Review](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/441) 15:17:52 ok noted, can pass it back to the MRL again if thats the case 15:18:25 kayabanerve sees it as not required for fcmp++ 15:18:52 correct, but since fcmp++ can move into seraphis down the road, this work is still valuable 15:20:18 so not closing then :) pushing it back to MRL 15:21:18 the next proposal is related to your previous works, getmonero redesign. but this porposal is also a new back-end 15:21:23 c. [New Monero Website](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/450) 15:22:13 has alot of updoots. personally im not for the proposal as-is and left a comment today https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/450#note_24686 15:23:25 I agreed to focus on the first milestone, should I update the proposal? 15:23:26 here is the functional proof of concept https://github.com/Janaka-Steph/monero-website 15:23:40 I think the website design looks great, haven't dug into the proposal itself. 15:23:47 But I agree that the website needs an update. 15:23:50 Sir. chch3003 15:24:32

I think most up votes come from those who really want to see a redesign. Regardless of technicalities 15:24:38 I'd like to make a call that i'm still looking for a web designer 15:24:47 after talking to the back end admin about it, and the current state of affairs, id say yeah, update the proposal 15:25:16 rottenwheel: yes? 15:25:32 Oh hey I'm a web designer. 15:25:32 i agree monero-guides 15:25:37 plowsof: ok 15:25:46 That said, does core want this website remade? It's under their purview. 15:25:50 we have found a web designer 15:26:02 chch3003 you can ping gnuteardrops from monero.graphics, vostoemisio, there's a third one I can link you to if needed. 15:26:48 core feels we're not ready for a new back end / huge change , thats why i suggest removing any promises of "transition" in the proposal, and stick to milestone 1,,, a highly functional english site with furhter work on the table 15:26:53 Ok I can contact them, also Diego Salazar we can talk 15:27:05 Sounds good. 15:27:23

An interesting point you make about core. My gripe with the site as it is; no where can I easily be found that it is the website hosted by core. Many could read that website like monero does indeed have a CEO 15:27:41

An interesting point you make about core. My gripe with the site as it is; no where can it easily be found that it is the website hosted by core. Many could read that website like monero does indeed have a CEO 15:27:50 monero dot com is officially the unofficial website 15:28:55 i think we can leave this proposal here, with new updates expected shortly 15:29:06 noted monero-guides, thank you 15:29:10 d. [How to mine Monero guide](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/451) 15:29:21 Maybe it is better to have an unofficial website, with less constraints, hosted in a regular hosting provider. I feel this has not been discussed enough 15:30:23

Hi all, 15:30:25

After last meeting we've considered a change to the number of videos and content and want to get your opinions. 15:30:27

Video 1:intro to mining 15:30:29

Video 2: mining economics 15:30:31

Video 3: setting up your rig 15:30:32 would be even better to have contributors for existing site chch3003 :D 15:30:33

The main change is splitting up the first video into two separate parts and then taking some of what was planned for video 2 and adding it to mining economics video. 15:30:35

This change should make things more succinct for the viewers and would result in 3 shorter videos 15:31:06 that would be in response to Ruckniums feedback reg length 15:32:59 seems a sane change in response to this yes 15:33:27

For the most part yes. We replied in more detail on the proposal, would be glad for some more feedback and recommendations 15:34:26 for visibility, i assume this comment in particular https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/451#note_24575 15:35:33 moneroguides's response to feedback is satisfactory to me :) 15:36:35

Correct 15:36:39 seems like this change to the proposal will be welcomed 15:37:34

In which case, we'll. Move onto editing the scripts to reflect this and amend the proposal 15:38:28 FCMP++ can move into the Seraphis *codebase*, there's little chance of moving to the protocol at this current flow. 15:38:42 thanks, we can try to get people excited about these videos and show more support there after, its been a while since monero guides last series 15:39:41 skipping the i2p/sam proposal, which is written as a bounty as-is.. unless a dev wants to come forward and justify their rates to complete it themselves 15:40:01 g. [hinto-janai full-time work on Cuprate (3 months)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/456) 15:41:08 some said auto merge last meeting 15:41:58

Sounds good 15:42:01 are there reasons why not to merge it? 15:42:06 or why to delay it? 15:42:24 more documentation was added to the proposal (per this comment) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/456#note_24642 15:43:20 seems final now 15:43:44 (2~ weeks old on the merge list, shock horror its not merged) 15:44:26 not shocked plowsof, just curious :) 15:44:33 would be easier if boog900 could submit at the same time 15:45:15 FYI those replying on matrix 15:45:21 looks like it has support for merge after the 2nd meeting, we can move on 15:46:05 h. [ofrnxmr feat. BasicSwapDEX - take over the world pt 2](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/457) 15:46:53 CryptoGuard / basicswap confirmed their involvement with this proposal in a comment from yesterday https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/457#note_24657 15:47:45 <0xfffc:monero.social> +1 15:47:47 <0xfffc:monero.social> ofrnxmr feat. BasicSwapDEX - take over the world pt 2 15:48:40 would luigis previous comment apply to the current proposal https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/444#note_24383 15:49:47 this proposal has milestones / objectives now 15:51:01 Yes, milestones with todo lists for each 15:51:03 Looks much better with the milestones 15:52:37 and the issue with upfront payment and length of time? 15:52:57 "Specifically, the length of time and (especially) upfront payment/lack of milestones are contrary to what the CCS has strived to be (with plenty of "results may vary" and exceptions, granted)." 15:52:59 reminder for matrix dot org accounts to follow the meeting on monerologs.net (you can reply here, but read responses on the logs site) 15:54:32 <0xfffc:monero.social> But this one does have specific / objective milestones 15:54:58 Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither is a new frontend or improved backend. (Look at 15:55:24 look at how long it took to do haveno backend (much longer than the 4-6 month projection) 15:55:55 niether was monero or cuprate yet proposals are 3 months at a time 15:56:13 this is > $300k we are talking about 15:56:35 Just saying that even devs in very important roles for the Monero project and with many PRs under their belt don't usually get pre-payment. These two devs are new **to us**, and ofrnxmr is also new **to us** in the role of a project manager. 15:59:02 Maybe do something like an "exponential approach"? First sprint is a month only, to see the project gets off the ground, with post-payment. If that goes well, second sprint is again a month, but this time with pre-payment. If that also goes well, make the next sprint 3 months. See what I mean? 15:59:17 the project is live already, rbrunner 15:59:35 Not for us, and not for the CCS. 15:59:54 It is live. You can use it today 16:00:12 This CCS hasn't even started. 16:00:39 It's not about that BasicSwapDEX, it's about this CCS, right? 16:01:12 im not understanding the line youre drawing here. 16:01:13 That's why I bolded **to us**. 16:01:38 Monero community members run the software and are making swaps on mainnet already 16:02:03 These two Particls devs are complete strangers to me. I feel it's prudent to treat them as newly joining people, only that. 16:02:16 Theyve been around for 10+years 16:02:36 Ignoring the payment schedule, are there other concerns? 16:02:52 100% 16:03:06 the particle token thingy people bring up? 16:03:30 Luigi mentioned laying ground rules for upfront payments, new contributors were a hard "no" 16:03:40 particl is a blockchain and theyve been presenting at monerokon for the past 2 yrs 16:03:50 Yes. I ask myself whether those devs can work those hours. Question of work-life balance, or balance with "official" jobs that they may have. Do you know more regarding this, ofrnxmr? 16:03:50 true 16:04:18 yes, they can and will work full time on this 16:04:26 The way I understood it is that ofrn will be paying out incrementally as work completes? 16:04:31 Good to hear 16:04:38 Correct @ct 16:04:42