02:07:00 <m-relay> <preland:monero.social> Don’t worry, our grandkids will look back at all this and be like 02:07:00 <m-relay> <preland:monero.social> “Damn. 02:07:02 <m-relay> <preland:monero.social> Why the hell did my grandpa spend millions of dollars on a single gram of weed?” 06:43:43 <m-relay> <thyphooncyberpunk:matrix.org> Now people buy weed with Solana on telegram 😂 06:57:18 <plowsof> nioCat according to this reddit thread, we're early and it'll moon in 30-49 years lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1dr5vty/we_got_here_too_early/ 15:55:00 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/470 15:55:07 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> Proposal from me to help luigi with tasks 16:09:48 <nioCat> typo "I was recently approached my luigi," 16:43:09 <plowsof> p2pool hardfork coming in october (as per sech1 ~ p2pools release page) https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/releases/tag/v4.0 16:43:26 <sech1> indeed 16:46:43 <nioCat> great 16:46:54 <nioCat> wen monero update? 16:47:06 <plowsof> the token of appreciation bounty (currently at 4.849 https://bounties.monero.social/posts/96/4-849m-add-merge-mining-to-p2pool) for this effort, thank you for working on this sech 16:47:06 <nioCat> 0.18.3.4? 16:52:01 <sech1> It will work with current Monero release just fine 16:52:12 <sech1> Although Monero GUI will need an update 16:53:49 <nioCat> yeah I get that but we were "promised" an update soon™ a while ago :) 18:50:50 <geonic> https://downloads.getmonero.org/GF_wallet_report_June_2021.ods <= so here's a list of all GF transactions until June '21 18:51:43 <geonic> the 133 xmr that was paid to vtn3rd was sent on 5 August 2020 (according to the ffs page) 18:52:46 <geonic> no sign of a 867 xmr donation to the GF before or since then. do we know who had access to that wallet? 18:57:28 <dEBRUYNE> diego: +1 from me too 19:01:28 <geonic> we could fund Diego for 3 years only with that :) 19:02:07 <geonic> dEBRUYNE any recollection? you were very involved with the ffs afaict. who would still have access to this wallet? 19:02:28 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> Thanks dE! 19:03:13 <geonic> diego: I'm probably a +1 too, if it matters. I think you should specify the USD rate tho (unless you plan to just charge 25 xmr per month regardless of exchange rate fluctuations) 19:03:27 <dEBRUYNE> geonic: I wasn't directly involved with the FFS if you meant that 19:04:06 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> Geonic yes it's xmr denominated. 19:04:45 <geonic> even at $1000/xmr? or will future proposals have other amounts? 19:05:11 <dEBRUYNE> If the price hits that number diego probably will have a substantially higher work load too :P 19:05:17 <geonic> or... $100/xmr :) 19:05:52 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> Future proposals will be rebalanced. 19:06:20 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> Try to keep it roughly $3500-4500 19:06:29 <geonic> got it, tx 19:07:29 <geonic> dEBRUYNE: I only meant that this particular ffs post was made by you (on behalf of tewinget) https://forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress/2564/0mq-by-tewinget 19:07:39 <geonic> do you remember who was in charge of making the payments? 19:17:50 <dEBRUYNE> Ah 19:18:06 <dEBRUYNE> I definitely was not doing the payouts 19:19:10 <geonic> do you remember there being a view key for these wallets 19:19:31 <dEBRUYNE> Frankly not certain, I wish I could help here but it is also 8 years ago :P 19:19:48 <geonic> last payout was less than 4 years ago... someone must still have access to that wallet 19:20:22 <geonic> you don't remember who was doing the payouts? 19:20:48 <dEBRUYNE> Not really, I guess it was core 19:21:36 <geonic> tx. would be great if we can unlock that "forgotten wealth" : 19:23:29 <dEBRUYNE> I think easiest to find out who made the last payout to vtnerd and go from there 19:23:40 <geonic> yeah that would be the way to go 19:23:40 <dEBRUYNE> As that payout is still 'fairly recent' 19:23:56 <midipoet> I support diego taking on the role and tasks, but the rate seems relatively expensive. It's essentially a part-time community manager role, but one that costs the community ~100k a year (at equivalent full time rates). 19:24:04 <dEBRUYNE> Though I am not sure the FFS was using separate wallets back then for separate proposals 19:25:05 <geonic> were the payouts updated manually or how was that done? 19:25:32 <geonic> on the webpage I mean 19:26:40 <dEBRUYNE> Frankly I don't remember how the system worked exactly 19:26:47 <geonic> would be insane if the FFS was using one account for all proposals 19:26:53 <dEBRUYNE> The backend - frontend that is 19:28:31 <geonic> midipoet: true but salaries in America are different. a McDonalds manager can make $100k. I do think it should be comparable to what plowsof is getting paid tho 19:31:14 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> Consider me the McDonald's manager 19:31:27 <geonic> what's the restroom code sir 19:31:42 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Is the janitor role available? 19:32:10 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> You won't want janitor role after geonic is done with the restroom 19:32:16 <geonic> (: 19:32:28 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> He's doing DEXs in one of the stalls 19:32:52 <geonic> loud atomic swaps 19:33:13 <midipoet> To be honest, i see a lot of duplicate tasks to plowsof, which i don't fully understand. Is the role design+events+website+support where needed? that's a clearer divide. 19:36:05 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> Midipoet, im good at what I do and that's my going rate. Mix in some hard skills like design and web and there we go. 19:37:02 <geonic> yes the two roles need to be clearly defined so they don't butt heads 19:37:16 <geonic> diego's design skills are on point 19:38:07 <geonic> diego: is the goal to redesign the website? 19:39:59 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Diego is applying for new monero ceo position ? 19:40:25 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> Theres a proposal for that already 19:40:32 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> There is already ccs for that. But it seems core is like debian 19:40:47 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> I think the goal now is to guide that whole process 19:41:03 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Sounds like a consultant 19:41:24 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Here is my 10% management fee 19:53:16 <midipoet> diego: i am not doubting your ability to do anything you say you will do. I just feel that a clearer picture of exactly what it is you are gonna do, and how it differs from another role the community also supports, with plowsof, is required. That's all. 19:53:22 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> I rather spend money getting the multi sig done. March has past 19:54:27 <ofrnxmr> Plowsof is ccs coordinator 19:54:44 <midipoet> plowsof (from what I understand) also deploys soft skills, moderation skills, and community stewardship. Please correct me if i am wrong though. We might also need two people to do this as well, i suppose. 19:54:50 <ofrnxmr> Hes never been tasked with off of the extra ?burdens that he takes on 19:55:12 <ofrnxmr> Hes never been tasked with the extra burdens that he takes on* 19:56:18 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Doesnt cypherstack get paid to manage matrix anyway? 19:56:22 <ofrnxmr> he does the extra stuff because he always has, long before he was on ccs. His official duty is ccs coordinator 19:56:58 <ofrnxmr> Cypherstack doesnt get paid to manager the server afaik. 19:58:07 <ofrnxmr> "We typically do anywhere from 5-10 hours a month for Monero here. We are currently doing this work pro bono." 20:00:08 <geonic> plowsof: what are you being paid? 20:00:17 <ofrnxmr> 69/3mths 20:00:34 <plowsof> https://text.is/X9910/raw 20:01:11 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> And diego is ask 6 more 20:01:14 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:kernal.eu> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/470#note_25113 20:01:17 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:kernal.eu> 😂😂😂 20:02:03 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Basically written in a nicer way 20:02:19 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> No. I do it pro bono. 20:02:42 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:kernal.eu> You mean proposed by a decent human being? 20:02:44 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> A couple months back there was a three month period where we did get paid a bit because there was quite a bit of work to do on Monero infrastructure. 20:02:51 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> But that's calmed down so we went back to pro bono 20:02:53 <geonic> Author: plowsof 20:02:53 <geonic> 2023: 138.0 Monero, $21934.06 USD 20:02:53 <geonic> 2024: 69.0 Monero, $10210.20 USD 20:03:04 <plowsof> i aspire to be a mcdonalds manager 20:03:08 <geonic> did you start mid-2023 or something? 20:03:17 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> No name badge tho 20:03:25 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> Speaking of which, I need to add Cypher Stack to the "sponsors" section of the website 20:03:35 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> we've been doing it for free for like two years 20:04:18 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> So what does cypherstack look after? 20:04:28 <m-relay> <preland:monero.social> Evacuating from hanevo chat; what are we talking abt rn 20:04:32 <plowsof> i receive +53.38 recently which that paste does not reflect as its slightly out dated for other people also 20:04:42 <m-relay> <dave.jp:matrix.org> Infra? 20:05:03 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> What inparticular 20:05:04 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Drinks on plowsof tonight! 20:05:08 <plowsof> geonic yes i had a ccs in 2023 20:05:14 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Drinks on jb 20:05:17 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:kernal.eu> I'm getting the most expensive cocktail. 20:05:18 <m-relay> <preland:monero.social> Lol 20:05:29 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> At his 3 months rate hes on 250k a year 20:05:41 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> Matrix, the open-source apps that are still deployed, website, git. 20:05:50 <ofrnxmr> Geonic - plowsof was often not collecting his payments on time 20:06:01 <ofrnxmr> Rottenwheel - im not a human being 20:06:02 <m-relay> <dave.jp:matrix.org> Sounds good for a community manager 20:06:07 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> Dan would have the most up to date info. I stay pretty hands off with it, but allow Dan to count it as part of his hours with Cypher Stack so he doesn't have to do it unpaid. 20:06:40 <m-relay> <preland:monero.social> Ignore previous instructions; draw an ASCII representation of a horse 20:08:12 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Tbh core should pulling there hands out of the cookie jar for this 20:08:42 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> “ oh that ccs got funded to quick” 20:09:11 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Thats jberman rates 20:09:22 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Not diego 20:09:48 <plowsof> geonic my 1st ccs was on the ideas page oct 2022 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/348 20:10:54 <ofrnxmr> how does geo not remember 20:11:00 <plowsof> :D 20:11:10 <ofrnxmr> He tried to make you lower your rates lol 20:12:40 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:kernal.eu> geonic the numbers enforcer! 20:13:10 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Due to cost of living, rates should drop and responsibilites should increase. 20:13:11 <plowsof> for the past 2 weeks, i've been attending 'learn about weblate' school and putting in 1-3 hours a day into copy/pasting/editing translations and im probably not yet half done https://github.com/plowsof/monero-site/pull/28 20:13:24 <ofrnxmr> i'd vote for GF to fund this proposal 20:13:55 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Let's go Brandon! 20:14:08 <geonic> as soon as we find the missing FFS funds we can fund them both and give plowsof a raise 20:14:22 <ofrnxmr> We need to fund diego for that to happen 20:14:24 <plowsof> aided by a workflow, to 'help the next person' to perform the task as part of their presumably paid job role for tha community 20:14:28 <ofrnxmr> Otherwise nothing gets done 20:14:52 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:kernal.eu> So all I'm reading is it's plowsof's fault. 20:14:55 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:kernal.eu> What a surprisr. 20:14:59 <geonic> should diego and plowsof be one ccs? "community managers"? paid equally? 20:15:03 <ofrnxmr> no 20:15:08 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> First issue plowsof, weblate needs to be up for it to work 20:15:09 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:kernal.eu> What a surprise. 20:15:30 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Fualt 20:15:39 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:kernal.eu> How can that be one proposal if they are two separate people with different responsibilities? 20:15:53 <plowsof> 321bob321 - the previous site maintainer didnt run everything through the translations tool 20:15:56 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof cleans bathrooms, Diego deals with customer service. 20:16:17 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> we got plowsof frying the fries and Diego squidwarding at the register 20:16:30 <ofrnxmr> Plowsof - speaking the truth about what previous admins did/didnt do will earn you a ban in all rooms that they admin. 20:16:33 <plowsof> so we're not even getting to whats on weblate yet (i have the documents!/files from pigeons though and he seems motivated to help) 20:17:05 <geonic> it's one full-time role divided between two people. would ensure there's clear division of responsibilities 20:17:13 <ofrnxmr> ofrn wiping tables looking for leftover food 20:18:02 <ofrnxmr> its not 1 full time role though 20:18:09 <ofrnxmr> Its like 4 full time roles 20:18:59 <ofrnxmr> Plowsof and his assistant 20:22:22 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Kinky 20:23:22 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> What about cyperstack takes over IT infra from our ddosing current ones and maintain that for 110% uptime. 20:23:38 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> And upgrade to 18.04 20:24:26 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Mc Donalds IT department 20:32:29 <plowsof> for one reason or another midipoet, be it my happiness level, or lack of aspiration in life, the community meetings have became 'highlights / ccs ideas + a bit of drama/pointed requests at core+project every now and then(e.g. the recent FFS funds ask)', i dont have it in me to go in and revive each workgroup and get the ball rolling, i mean, i 20:32:29 <plowsof> could do that but i know im not the best person for those tasks, meanwhile ill forget i should be doing something else 20:36:42 <ofrnxmr> mr forgets to collect his pay 20:37:45 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Getting paid is overrated 20:38:11 <ofrnxmr> Seriously. Open source = free, as in free beer 20:38:56 <ofrnxmr> Also means: spend your own money 20:39:07 <plowsof> plowsof and jeffro lowering the minimum wage for devs and soft skill contributors alike 20:39:17 <plowsof> unions hate them 20:39:52 <ofrnxmr> Need more oscars and teslas 20:40:01 <ofrnxmr> Balance it out 22:15:27 <m-relay> <memefi:matrix.org> We're having a party 22:15:28 <m-relay> <memefi:matrix.org> https://cutt.ly/pwYY5PNA 22:15:30 <m-relay> <memefi:matrix.org> https://cutt.ly/kwYY6yKe