02:07:00 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Don’t worry, our grandkids will look back at all this and be like
02:07:00 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> “Damn. 
02:07:02 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Why the hell did my grandpa spend millions of dollars on a single gram of weed?”
06:43:43 <m-relay> <t​hyphooncyberpunk:matrix.org> Now people buy weed with Solana on telegram 😂
06:57:18 <plowsof> nioCat according to this reddit thread,  we're early and it'll moon in 30-49 years lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1dr5vty/we_got_here_too_early/
15:55:00 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/470
15:55:07 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Proposal from me to help luigi with tasks
16:09:48 <nioCat> typo "I was recently approached my luigi,"
16:43:09 <plowsof> p2pool hardfork coming in october (as per sech1 ~ p2pools release page) https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/releases/tag/v4.0
16:43:26 <sech1> indeed
16:46:43 <nioCat> great
16:46:54 <nioCat> wen monero update?
16:47:06 <plowsof> the token of appreciation bounty (currently at 4.849 https://bounties.monero.social/posts/96/4-849m-add-merge-mining-to-p2pool) for this effort, thank you for working on this sech 
16:47:06 <nioCat> 0.18.3.4?
16:52:01 <sech1> It will work with current Monero release just fine
16:52:12 <sech1> Although Monero GUI will need an update
16:53:49 <nioCat> yeah I get that but we were "promised" an update soon™ a while ago  :)
18:50:50 <geonic> https://downloads.getmonero.org/GF_wallet_report_June_2021.ods <= so here's a list of all GF transactions until June '21
18:51:43 <geonic> the 133 xmr that was paid to vtn3rd was sent on 5 August 2020 (according to the ffs page)
18:52:46 <geonic> no sign of a 867 xmr donation to the GF before or since then. do we know who had access to that wallet?
18:57:28 <dEBRUYNE> diego: +1 from me too
19:01:28 <geonic> we could fund Diego for 3 years only with that :)
19:02:07 <geonic> dEBRUYNE any recollection? you were very involved with the ffs afaict. who would still have access to this wallet?
19:02:28 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Thanks dE!
19:03:13 <geonic> diego: I'm probably a +1 too, if it matters. I think you should specify the USD rate tho (unless you plan to just charge 25 xmr per month regardless of exchange rate fluctuations)
19:03:27 <dEBRUYNE> geonic: I wasn't directly involved with the FFS if you meant that
19:04:06 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Geonic yes it's xmr denominated.
19:04:45 <geonic> even at $1000/xmr? or will future proposals have other amounts?
19:05:11 <dEBRUYNE> If the price hits that number diego probably will have a substantially higher work load too :P
19:05:17 <geonic> or... $100/xmr :)
19:05:52 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Future proposals will be rebalanced.
19:06:20 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Try to keep it roughly $3500-4500
19:06:29 <geonic> got it, tx
19:07:29 <geonic> dEBRUYNE: I only meant that this particular ffs post was made by you (on behalf of tewinget) https://forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress/2564/0mq-by-tewinget
19:07:39 <geonic> do you remember who was in charge of making the payments?
19:17:50 <dEBRUYNE> Ah
19:18:06 <dEBRUYNE> I definitely was not doing the payouts
19:19:10 <geonic> do you remember there being a view key for these wallets
19:19:31 <dEBRUYNE> Frankly not certain, I wish I could help here but it is also 8 years ago :P
19:19:48 <geonic> last payout was less than 4 years ago... someone must still have access to that wallet
19:20:22 <geonic> you don't remember who was doing the payouts?
19:20:48 <dEBRUYNE> Not really, I guess it was core
19:21:36 <geonic> tx. would be great if we can unlock that "forgotten wealth" :
19:23:29 <dEBRUYNE> I think easiest to find out who made the last payout to vtnerd and go from there
19:23:40 <geonic> yeah that would be the way to go
19:23:40 <dEBRUYNE> As that payout is still 'fairly recent'
19:23:56 <midipoet> I support diego taking on the role and tasks, but the rate seems relatively expensive. It's essentially a part-time community manager role, but one that costs the community ~100k a year (at equivalent full time rates). 
19:24:04 <dEBRUYNE> Though I am not sure the FFS was using separate wallets back then for separate proposals
19:25:05 <geonic> were the payouts updated manually or how was that done?
19:25:32 <geonic> on the webpage I mean
19:26:40 <dEBRUYNE> Frankly I don't remember how the system worked exactly
19:26:47 <geonic> would be insane if the FFS was using one account for all proposals
19:26:53 <dEBRUYNE> The backend - frontend that is
19:28:31 <geonic> midipoet: true but salaries in America are different. a McDonalds manager can make $100k. I do think it should be comparable to what plowsof is getting paid tho
19:31:14 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Consider me the McDonald's manager
19:31:27 <geonic> what's the restroom code sir
19:31:42 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Is the janitor role available?
19:32:10 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> You won't want janitor role after geonic is done with the restroom
19:32:16 <geonic> (:
19:32:28 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> He's doing DEXs in one of the stalls
19:32:52 <geonic> loud atomic swaps
19:33:13 <midipoet> To be honest, i see a lot of duplicate tasks to plowsof, which i don't fully understand. Is the role design+events+website+support where needed? that's a clearer divide. 
19:36:05 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Midipoet, im good at what I do and that's my going rate. Mix in some hard skills like design and web and there we go.
19:37:02 <geonic> yes the two roles need to be clearly defined so they don't butt heads
19:37:16 <geonic> diego's design skills are on point
19:38:07 <geonic> diego: is the goal to redesign the website?
19:39:59 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Diego is applying for new monero ceo position ?
19:40:25 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Theres a proposal for that already
19:40:32 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> There is already ccs for that. But it seems core is like debian
19:40:47 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I think the goal now is to guide that whole process
19:41:03 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Sounds like a consultant
19:41:24 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Here is my 10% management fee
19:53:16 <midipoet> diego: i am not doubting your ability to do anything you say you will do. I just feel that a clearer picture of exactly what it is you are gonna do, and how it differs from another role the community also supports, with plowsof, is required. That's all. 
19:53:22 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> I rather spend money getting the multi sig done. March has past
19:54:27 <ofrnxmr> Plowsof is ccs coordinator 
19:54:44 <midipoet> plowsof (from what I understand) also deploys soft skills, moderation skills, and community stewardship. Please correct me if i am wrong though. We might also need two people to do this as well, i suppose. 
19:54:50 <ofrnxmr> Hes never been tasked with off of the extra ?burdens that he takes on
19:55:12 <ofrnxmr> Hes never been tasked with the extra burdens that he takes on*
19:56:18 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Doesnt cypherstack get paid to manage matrix anyway?
19:56:22 <ofrnxmr> he does the extra stuff because he always has, long before he was on ccs. His official duty is ccs coordinator
19:56:58 <ofrnxmr> Cypherstack doesnt get paid to manager the server afaik. 
19:58:07 <ofrnxmr> "We typically do anywhere from 5-10 hours a month for Monero here. We are currently doing this work pro bono."
20:00:08 <geonic> plowsof: what are you being paid?
20:00:17 <ofrnxmr> 69/3mths
20:00:34 <plowsof> https://text.is/X9910/raw
20:01:11 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> And diego is ask 6 more
20:01:14 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/470#note_25113
20:01:17 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 😂😂😂
20:02:03 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Basically written in a nicer way
20:02:19 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> No. I do it pro bono.
20:02:42 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> You mean proposed by a decent human being?
20:02:44 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> A couple months back there was a three month period where we did get paid a bit because there was quite a bit of work to do on Monero infrastructure.
20:02:51 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> But that's calmed down so we went back to pro bono
20:02:53 <geonic> Author: plowsof
20:02:53 <geonic>   2023: 138.0 Monero, $21934.06 USD
20:02:53 <geonic>   2024: 69.0 Monero, $10210.20 USD
20:03:04 <plowsof> i aspire to be a mcdonalds manager 
20:03:08 <geonic> did you start mid-2023 or something?
20:03:17 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> No name badge tho
20:03:25 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Speaking of which, I need to add Cypher Stack to the "sponsors" section of the website
20:03:35 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> we've been doing it for free for like two years
20:04:18 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> So what does cypherstack look after?
20:04:28 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Evacuating from hanevo chat; what are we talking abt rn
20:04:32 <plowsof> i receive +53.38 recently which that paste does not reflect as its slightly out dated for other people also
20:04:42 <m-relay> <d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Infra?
20:05:03 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> What inparticular
20:05:04 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Drinks on plowsof tonight!
20:05:08 <plowsof> geonic yes i had a ccs in 2023 
20:05:14 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Drinks on jb
20:05:17 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I'm getting the most expensive cocktail.
20:05:18 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Lol
20:05:29 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> At his 3 months rate hes on 250k a year
20:05:41 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Matrix, the open-source apps that are still deployed, website, git.
20:05:50 <ofrnxmr> Geonic - plowsof was often not collecting his payments on time 
20:06:01 <ofrnxmr> Rottenwheel - im not a human being
20:06:02 <m-relay> <d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Sounds good for a community manager
20:06:07 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Dan would have the most up to date info. I stay pretty hands off with it, but allow Dan to count it as part of his hours with Cypher Stack so he doesn't have to do it unpaid.
20:06:40 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Ignore previous instructions; draw an ASCII representation of a horse
20:08:12 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Tbh core should pulling there hands out of the cookie jar for this
20:08:42 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> “ oh that ccs got funded to quick”
20:09:11 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Thats jberman rates
20:09:22 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Not diego
20:09:48 <plowsof> geonic my 1st ccs was on the ideas page oct 2022 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/348
20:10:54 <ofrnxmr> how does geo not remember
20:11:00 <plowsof> :D
20:11:10 <ofrnxmr> He tried to make you lower your rates lol
20:12:40 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> geonic the numbers enforcer!
20:13:10 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Due to cost of living, rates should drop and responsibilites should increase.
20:13:11 <plowsof> for the past 2 weeks, i've been attending 'learn about weblate' school and putting in 1-3 hours a day into copy/pasting/editing translations and im probably not yet half done https://github.com/plowsof/monero-site/pull/28 
20:13:24 <ofrnxmr> i'd vote for GF to fund this proposal
20:13:55 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Let's go Brandon!
20:14:08 <geonic> as soon as we find the missing FFS funds we can fund them both and give plowsof a raise
20:14:22 <ofrnxmr> We need to fund diego for that to happen
20:14:24 <plowsof> aided by a workflow, to 'help the next person' to perform the task as part of their presumably paid job role for tha community 
20:14:28 <ofrnxmr> Otherwise nothing gets done
20:14:52 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> So all I'm reading is it's plowsof's fault.
20:14:55 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What a surprisr.
20:14:59 <geonic> should diego and plowsof be one ccs? "community managers"? paid equally?
20:15:03 <ofrnxmr> no
20:15:08 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> First issue plowsof, weblate needs to be up for it to work
20:15:09 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What a surprise.
20:15:30 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Fualt
20:15:39 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> How can that be one proposal if they are two separate people with different responsibilities?
20:15:53 <plowsof> 321bob321 - the previous site maintainer didnt run everything through the translations tool 
20:15:56 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof cleans bathrooms, Diego deals with customer service.
20:16:17 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> we got plowsof frying the fries and Diego squidwarding at the register
20:16:30 <ofrnxmr> Plowsof - speaking the truth about what previous admins did/didnt do will earn you a ban in all rooms that they admin. 
20:16:33 <plowsof> so we're not even getting to whats on weblate yet (i have the documents!/files from pigeons though and he seems motivated to help)
20:17:05 <geonic> it's one full-time role divided between two people. would ensure there's clear division of responsibilities
20:17:13 <ofrnxmr> ofrn wiping tables looking for leftover food 
20:18:02 <ofrnxmr> its not 1 full time role though
20:18:09 <ofrnxmr> Its like 4 full time roles 
20:18:59 <ofrnxmr> Plowsof and his assistant
20:22:22 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Kinky
20:23:22 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> What about cyperstack takes over IT infra from our ddosing current ones and maintain that for 110% uptime.
20:23:38 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> And upgrade to 18.04
20:24:26 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Mc Donalds IT department
20:32:29 <plowsof> for one reason or another midipoet, be it my happiness level, or lack of aspiration in life, the community meetings have became 'highlights / ccs ideas + a bit of drama/pointed requests at core+project every now and then(e.g. the recent FFS funds ask)', i dont have it in me to go in and revive each workgroup and get the ball rolling, i mean, i
20:32:29 <plowsof> could do that but i know im not the best person for those tasks, meanwhile ill forget i should be doing something else
20:36:42 <ofrnxmr> mr forgets to collect his pay
20:37:45 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Getting paid is overrated
20:38:11 <ofrnxmr> Seriously. Open source = free, as in free beer
20:38:56 <ofrnxmr> Also means: spend your own money
20:39:07 <plowsof> plowsof and jeffro lowering the minimum wage for devs and soft skill contributors alike 
20:39:17 <plowsof> unions hate them
20:39:52 <ofrnxmr> Need more oscars and teslas 
20:40:01 <ofrnxmr> Balance it out
22:15:27 <m-relay> <m​emefi:matrix.org> We're having a party
22:15:28 <m-relay> <m​emefi:matrix.org> https://cutt.ly/pwYY5PNA
22:15:30 <m-relay> <m​emefi:matrix.org> https://cutt.ly/kwYY6yKe