00:35:58 any updates from binaryfate? 00:44:18 I'm opening a general store because it's about time that you were able to pay for the things that you need for your life with the currency you prefer. 00:44:18 https://xmrbazaar.com/user/shortwavesurfer2009 00:52:19 dEBRUYNE I just made a post for the CCS on the subreddit, and it says it's awaiting mod approval. 01:24:52 monerobull ^ 03:34:55 <321bob321:monero.social> Send me 0.01xmr and i wont approve it 06:30:48 i believe it is approved 09:55:54 75 XMR for 3 months half-time job of moderating stuff ? too expensive in my opinion. 10:04:16 Did you meant 7,5 XMR ? 10:04:54 Did you mean 7,5 XMR ? 11:35:07 Its not a job moderating, its a job coordinating various workgroups 11:35:41 <321bob321:monero.social> Oh 11:35:52 <321bob321:monero.social> What the fluffy proposed 11:37:21 <321bob321:monero.social> Diego for monero ceo 11:37:26 Is it worth cryptographer money ? 11:41:06 we're talking 300 XMR (as of now, 51k USD) per year, and with experience we had with Diego in the past (money leech), I don't think it's worth it. 11:42:13 its quite expensive 11:43:13 if people want to put money into it, i have nothing against - just don't fund it from general fund. 11:44:15 yeah that wouldnt make any sense at all 11:48:30 <321bob321:monero.social> I blame fcmp getting 2kxmr funding 11:48:52 <321bob321:monero.social> All the oliver twists popping up 11:51:53 It's a job that only few people in the world can do, due to combination of knowledge required (cryptography, programming in C++ and deep understanding of Monero code) 11:51:55 the job Diego would do can be done by anyone 11:52:25 <321bob321:monero.social> Its more that everyone saw that community dug deep 11:52:28 so it's not worth premium 11:52:43 Beware the CIA sockpuppets creating division! 11:52:46 Divide and conquer! 11:53:14 ok but what it has to do with what we're talking about here ? 11:53:55 wow so many achievements unlocked, thank you. 12:04:35 I think rotten is saying you're a community divider.. 12:05:26 <321bob321:monero.social> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/450 12:05:26 <321bob321:monero.social> I suspect deigo’s ccs stems from luigi’s comments 12:05:39 to whoever said that McDonalds' managers make $100k/yr in the US https://www.indeed.com/cmp/McDonald's/salaries/Manager 12:06:06 TLDR ~50k 12:06:34 I do think that 100k a year for a community steward is expensive. Honestly, i would do it for half the price AND it would allow me to quit my day job (which means you'd get a happier midipoet) 12:06:39 <321bob321:monero.social> + 50k worth of big macs 12:06:41 not that it is a valid comparison for a salary lol 12:07:12 geonic got the numbers wrong for once! 12:07:23 Having said that, diego seems to have indicated they will do design, events, and web infrastructure work also, which does provide more benefit to the community. 12:07:28 are happy poets any good? lol 12:07:44 The cat has a point! 12:08:03 tortured are the best supposedly, but i am not into that stuff. 12:08:17 <321bob321:monero.social> Kinky 12:08:49 McDonalds - working like a mule in greasy environment, while Diego offers his 15min on the toilet for what can be done by anyone 12:09:25 To be fair, diego has proved to be a very good community steward 12:09:38 he proved to be a thief 12:09:39 lol. 12:09:43 apart from the whole getting paid thing that hapoened 12:09:49 *happened 12:09:54 no one remembers the past drama ? 12:09:56 ypavtv97lx is geonic confirmed. 12:10:02 him taking money from general fund for nothing ? 12:10:21 Why don't you leave comments in the CCS proposal, sir? 12:10:36 We're dying to hear your productive thoughts! 12:10:37 I don't have account there 12:11:06 not sure how him being a steward impacts his ability to remain impartial on cypherstack projects, proposals, etc, but i am sure that bit could be figured out. 12:11:12 <321bob321:monero.social> Create one 12:11:29 just one? 12:11:43 <321bob321:monero.social> Yest 12:11:46 lol 12:13:13 the problem here is the 75 XMR, if it was lower for the job he suppose to be doing, I wouldn't mind 12:13:16 For whom it may concern, Revuo Monero has an IRC channel that is bridged to a Matrix room. IRC channel: #revuo-xmr on libera.chat; Matrix room: @revuo:monero.social. Come hang if you want. 12:14:12 and he will not be full time even for this kind of money 12:14:45 7.5k per month from core for not providing transparency reports for months on end. i remember 12:15:21 ill be community guy for 500 dollars 12:15:28 im here anyways 12:15:57 there are plenty more people I would rather trust like you and other active people in the community that would do the job for much less (i'm sure) 12:22:31 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/laCncRyApLvEjhMHDldOqNuX 12:23:06 Gnarly. 12:23:12 eww 12:23:49 That's my exact thought when I've seen the proposal 12:25:30 maybe that's just me by i have a rule to not make business with people who were caught lying. 12:25:43 maybe that's just me but i have a rule to not make business with people who were caught lying. 12:26:05 maybe that's just me but i have a rule to not make business with people who were caught lying / stealing. 12:26:32 over and out, do what you want with your money. just don't feed this leech from general fund. 12:27:47 <321bob321:monero.social> Well gf is for hodl only 12:27:57 <321bob321:monero.social> So that aint going to happen 12:30:14 tfw diego was on gf payroll and poached one of our top guys for another project 😑 12:30:49 <321bob321:monero.social> Or offered to pay? 12:31:40 I think cypherstack routinely employs people that have worked on Monero for contracts with other networks/currencies. Is that not their whole business model? 12:32:46 Also, it's worth noting that the researchers also want the work 12:37:19 <321bob321:monero.social> Well isnt cyperstack doing the fmcp audits? 12:37:33 <321bob321:monero.social> But people have an issue with diego 12:43:03 i havent seen monero fall into chaos ever since we stopped paying 7.5k per month so i dont think the current proposal isnt going to be worth it either 12:43:18 i havent seen monero fall into chaos ever since we stopped paying 7.5k per month so i do think the current proposal isnt going to be worth it either 12:46:31 Depends on how many duties Luigi wants to pass onto Diego 12:47:37 Though, i don't really know what duties Luigi does either aside from some key and wallet management, and some merge/commit management (i think) 12:47:53 Might be 100k a year job, for all we know 12:49:11 Everybody asks for money but nobody asks luigi1111, do you need money? 12:49:25 Learning with professor midipoet. 13:04:12 Mcdonalds min wage is $20 in california 13:05:24 Monero's been stagnant / in disarray since geonic cancelled diego, fluffy and sarang 13:05:28 My state minimum wage is still 7.25 13:07:15 300xmr/yr and he already pays out of pocket people to manage the backends we use. He didnt poach sarang - oscar dude cancelled sarangs ccs and not firo has lelantus spark and we have seraphis 2+n years out 13:09:24 from my personal dealings, pigeons does a lot more work than he should have to. Cypherstack is the sole reason that our matrix server is up, and sarang charges less for peer reviews than it costs to win an oscar 13:10:13 Right now, you have plowsof being blamed for all of core's inefficiencies 13:16:10 all of communities inefficiencies as well. 13:25:27 "Well isnt cyperstack doing the fmcp audits?" And bp++ peer review 13:26:15 And seraphis review 14:25:56 just hire someone from india or Philippines and you can pay 5 dollars a month lol 14:29:14 so the solution is hiring an assistant with a 100k$ salary? 14:38:32 everyone love plowsof 14:45:54 This didn't happen. Aaron hadn't been working for Monero for six months when I asked him to join CS. 14:49:22 Both sarang and surae left the project for a lot of reasons. Including less than stellar dealings with the community, and payment anxiety of quarterly fundraising. 14:49:57 100k? 300xmr isnt 100k 14:50:08 When he joined CS and we were discussing projects to work with, he was less than enthusiastic about Monero given his fatigue. So we went elsewhere for a time. 14:50:35 The distance proved beneficial as, with time passing, he was more willing to jump on Monero things again. 14:50:41 Hence our current work on Monero stuff. 14:51:42 The people mad at me for various things make some kind of sense, but the Sarang one never made sense to me. 14:55:55 Luigi came and asked me to do this work. He specifically asked for help in web stuff as well. Wants that fully off of his plate. 14:57:12 If me opening a proposal at his request to handle work he's too overwhelmed to do makes me a leech, then I don't know what to say. 15:01:22 It's the 75 XMR price that's hard to understand 15:01:36 Regardless, it would behoove you to make a gitlab account and leave a comment there so your voice doesn't get lost in the mix. 15:02:19 But as I said, if people are willing to pay, let's let them pay. 15:02:52 as long as it's not "sponsored" from gf 15:03:20 Web dev and design things are included. That is not just "moderating" 15:03:32 Raises the price. 15:04:11 And, in short, I've got other things on my plate too. Businesses. Family. I decided on a price that was worth it to take me from these things to do this work. 15:04:21 Yeah diego! Whats the big idea with charging more than plowsof 15:04:35 Lower rate to 69/3months 😝 15:04:48 I suggest grinding the 75 XMR to particular things so it makes sense 15:05:01 I suggest yall stop whining 15:05:05 in your proposal 15:05:07 Lastly, I'm good at what I do. No, not anyone can do the soft skills stuff effectively. I'm not saying I'm the only one, but it's constantly devalued. 15:05:30 Were a full damn 6 mobths into the year 15:05:36 The above are my justifications and arguments for the price. If it fails to convince you, I understand. Feel free to vote against the proposal. 15:05:39 not whining, just giving my opinion - it's a free world ? 15:06:00 Free world != free beer 15:06:20 you get $500 fine for old joke 15:06:28 Agreed. 15:06:29 Im not telling jokes 15:06:44 then you're a joke. 15:06:45 I guess one final thing to say is if so many people can do so many things I'm saying I'll do, I wonder why nobody has stepped up to do them in the several years I've been gone for. 15:06:56 +10000 @diego 15:07:45 mostly useless judgement. Most people aren't willing to let non influencial person drive the community. And anyone that would try such would be met with criticism 15:07:48 because it is much easier to just speak than do things 15:08:01 +1 deth 15:08:23 also, is monero.social dead ? 15:08:27 It’s in the past why raise it again lol, let’s move on; most of us are happy to see you getting involved again in monero 15:08:50 "most" 15:09:14 Those who arent happy are who? What holes have you filled 15:09:19 Yes majority, and not some random id lol 15:09:29 This is a fair argument, particularly for the Monero community. But if the floor for attempting is that high then that means few people could indeed do this job. :P 15:09:51 I use random ID's because I am involved too much in Monero 15:09:57 Lower rate to 69/3months = overpayment issue is moot 15:10:09 Yes that is my impression also that I shared in the CCS comment 15:10:35 you use sockpuppets cuz youre too involved? My ass 15:10:53 My current ccs is at 26.69 per milestone 15:10:59 whatever dude 15:11:08 if you were involved, youd be able tk speak for yourself 15:11:22 Nobody respects your purple socks 15:11:56 Logon to youe contributor acct and vote with your rep 15:12:00 i don't care for account respect, i have done a lot for Monero and not looking for any prize 15:12:20 You, a sockpuppet, have done nothing 15:12:36 if you say so then it must be truth 15:12:38 Maybe your real handle has, but we'll never know #trustmebro 15:12:56 Your real handle too soft to even speak from 15:13:02 trust ? 15:13:09 lol 15:13:10 Full or part time? 15:13:17 i don't trust anyone, you shouldn't too 15:13:20 Yeah, were supposed to trust that toue sockpupper is a contributor, lol 15:14:00 i thought this chat will be better than discord with their pointing system 15:14:00 i thought wrong 15:14:26 yeah, you thought you could fuck with progress from a john doe acct 15:14:42 "progress" 15:14:53 I'm happy to give my side of anything that happened in the past if anyone cares for that and has misgivings. 15:15:00 Monero is progressing just fine 15:15:07 nobody cares diego 15:15:22 all have been said in the past, there's nothing you need to say about it. 15:15:35 +1 15:16:21 the only problem with your proposal that I see is the evaluation part which probably could be explained a bit more by you and not just a generalization we see now 15:16:23 Mm. There are a few things left unsaid. For example that 'Sarang wasn't enthusiastic to do more Monero work at the time' was something I didn't say. 15:16:36 Would have helped my case a bunch back then during the accusations let me tell you. ;) 15:16:41 And for those who dont know, they shoukd do like ericcione says. They should delete their monero.social accts, they should not use code that was reviewed by cypherstack, they ahould delete stack wallet 15:16:46 true... 15:17:42 i'll hear it from sarang when /if we can ever get him back working with us more intimately 15:18:01 But I wasn't trying to throw him under the bus during such a vitriolic time. He would have taken some heat and may have never wanted to touch Monero again as a result. 15:18:17 so dont do it now either 15:18:22 So I took the heat instead. Wasn't pleasant, but it paid off cuz he's back to happily plucking along on Monero. 15:18:37 thats what you get paid for :P 15:18:59 So sarang doesnt have to deal with ypavtvahaya's or geonics bs 15:19:12 i don't think people would get so emotional today about Sarang 15:19:34 which is why I'm comfortable divulging that bit of information now, yes 15:20:26 diego baselessly accused me of conflict of interest in my ccs so im here to do the same 15:20:31 I think the combination of Sarang having been 6 months removed from Monero when I asked him if he wanted to join me, and the fact that he wasn't enthuzed about doing more Monero work at the time, all but crushes the "Diego poached sarang and sent him to other projects" thing. But that's my heavily biased opinion. :P 15:20:40 so, something something conflict of interest 15:20:42 I have COIs and they are stated in the proposal. 15:20:54 so any accusation of COI against me here is not baseless ;) 15:20:56 cool 15:21:07 Jojoxmr if the full/part time was directed at me, im down for 20hrs/week 15:21:11 but against me they were, which is what i was talking about ;) 15:21:46 diego: you weren’t “canceled” because you poached Sarang. let’s not change history or try to shift focus please. you sold our CCS to a competing project and were generally unaccountable to the community. one Core team member called you a traitor 15:22:26 I don’t see how your multiple conflicts of interest are being addressed in this proposal 15:22:33 I didn't claim this was the one reason. 15:23:06 you’ll still 15:23:10 There were three. Sarang, the CCS, and not being accountable to the community. 15:23:15 which core member? 15:23:21 othe 15:23:24 othe 15:23:33 who has more or less disappeared since :P 15:23:40 so what 15:23:53 and, during my tenure, showed up to give opinions and help out like three times 15:25:48 How is your work for competing projects being addressed? 15:26:12 now for real, seeing as you have a company (cyhperstack) and product (stack) that directly make money off monero and its development (CCS) i dont see why you should be involved in an "official" way 15:26:15 the state of core back then was very brittle. Things literally got done by them only if I kicked them in the shins. 15:26:40 it’s a little late for a transparency report, but feel free to give one if you’d like :p 15:27:48 There is a reserved amount of time that would be set aside for Monero, would this be funded. If I have limited time, and a project or even my business wants me to do something, but Monero hours are yet unfulfilled, Monero gets the priority. 15:28:07 Geonic hates firo 15:28:19 But doesn't even know how to use git 15:28:29 You’ll put your whole business on hold to attend to Monero? 15:28:34 Doesnt have a damn clue who stole from who 15:28:45 and everyone you employ will just wait for you to finish with whatever else 15:28:54 you are striving for a position that needs trust but in your past you have broken it. 15:28:54 why we should trust you again ? 15:28:58 But im sure he won an oscar and that the movie is public domain now right? 15:29:00 and especially seeing how you tried knocking my ccs becuase you saw it as a potential competitor to another open CCS that you would have directly benefited from, you shouldnt be part of the CCS process either 15:29:11 Sure. I worked hard to make it be able to withstand my absence. And fulfilling some hours worth of obligations won't cause it to topple. 15:29:13 you cnat be impartial, so its a no from me 15:29:18 ofrnxmr: stay on focus please. We’ll worry about the oscar later. 15:29:32 id rather have ofrn do this kind of stuff 15:29:49 I wasn't approached like just yestterday. I was approached to make this like a month ago. I've given it a lot of thought since then on what I could realistically do 15:30:02 I feel confident that half time is more than doable for me. 15:30:41 R4v3r23 - luigi made hia decision and hand picked diego 15:31:00 "hand picked" you mean suggested 15:31:25 I mean, hand picked. He closed my proposak because he didnt want me in the position 15:31:36 To put it bluntly, the circumstances and things are very different. And the issues of the past were (in my very biased opinion) overblown. I lost my position with core, but stuck around to work on Monero things after a break to reflect and for my mental health. 15:32:05 monerobull has offered to do the web maintenance stuff and he’s technical enough and generally trusted. Vostoemisio is a good designer as well. Plowsof is handling community moderation just fine. This job can be divided among various community members without centralizing so much trust in one person 15:32:29 Plowsof is not handling moderation just fine 15:32:30 That wasn't the chain of events. You knocked the other CCS and I came to its defense. I did not, in turn, knock yours. I thought it should be funded. 15:32:35 I merely stated I thought there was a COI 15:32:38 doesnt matter, my point still stands. hes proven he cant be impartial, has clear COIs, theres no way i support giving him an power/say in shit like CCS 15:32:43 ofrnxmr: you’re not screaming right now so it seems like he is :p 15:32:44 He's steamrolled by other mods 15:32:58 No, those other mods dont have power here 15:33:06 it was very emotional because it involved trust and a big chunk of money that has been paid to you for nothing 15:33:29 im still banned on matrix 15:33:38 Note that its not just me who cleans things up on a day-to-day basis, endor helps out alot too 15:33:42 And plowsof unban >> xmrscott reeeeee and rebans 15:33:58 If the community decides no, then that's fine. I'll go back to my own things. I was just asked to open this, and I'm ready and willing to do Monero things again if people are down with that. :) 15:34:09 matrix is a shitshow and diego’s involvement won’t fix anything 15:34:13 Endor spent hrs allowing sockpuppets to spam community 15:34:30 no 15:34:32 Then accused me of exit scamming for having an identical ccs to diegos 15:35:02 Id community decides no, youre fkd, cuz luigi already decided yes 15:35:27 I 15:35:29 oops sorry 15:35:37 monerobull: can you please open your $500/month ccs and see which one gets more support. Competition ftw 15:35:38 I've talked with luigi and asked this not to be the case. 15:36:12 Diego - add ccs maintainer to list 15:36:28 I'd rather not go behind the community's back again (a core idea last time). I've seen how they throw me under the bus and fail to back me up when that happens. 15:37:06 yep 15:37:11 Plowsof - take notes 15:37:28 well, you took a lot of money for nothing in the end 15:37:38