00:59:28 <321bob321:monero.social> Looked in logs? 00:59:56 <321bob321:monero.social> Or ctrl alt defeat 06:11:26 yea 06:35:12 monero.town is down? 06:35:26 Yes 06:36:02 for how long? 06:36:10 midipoet site maintainer is at least 20~ hours a week (ercs 1st 3 month proposal for reference https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/111) . now the "improving localization process" point would now be more involved, and ideally encompass the entire 'translation coordinaotr' role which is was also running at 20hrs a 06:36:10 week https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/260 06:36:23 . 06:37:30 i believe it's because of the last update, already asked the lemmy people but so far no real response 06:37:44 this could take a while 06:37:59 what does work is third party clients 06:38:12 so if you install jerboa, you can use that 06:38:19 it's only the web-ui that has issues 06:38:30 after netrik(translations coordinator) didnt continue anymore, erc had to then set up his own instance of weblate (translation web ui) and handle that (voluntarily) for over a year iirc. 06:38:34 ah, gotcha 06:38:47 my phone is off the next few hours 06:38:54 once i turn my phone on all hell breaks loose 06:39:03 so it's off until i'm ready to deal with the world 06:39:37 due to this situation, translations on site are not updated or not pushed from our (offline) weblate. i recently started updating what we have, and i could spend 12 hours a day for about a month and i'd have finished the bulk of it i think lol 06:41:54 the actual tasks for 'fixing' the above are mainly* ctrl+f / replace grunt work. but, i made sure to create some github CI workflows / do things bit by bit via public comits to help/on-board the next person 06:43:12 now, moving forward, weblate (when online) has options to integrate AI (be it suggestions, or auto complete with 'please confirm'), ok thats just a brief tldr of 'site maintainer position' atm 06:46:31 now, it is my understanding, i have not confirmed this with luigi or diego, but this could be interpreted as diego actually performing the roles in some capacity with the end goal for finding / on-boarding the best person for that task who can dedicate more hours, because, "half time" can not possibly fill all these roles, this is something i 06:46:31 personally struggle with 06:47:53 so we're putting 40 hours a week into 1 bullet point of a half time position 07:31:44 final report on my ccs: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371#note_25187 07:41:39 thanks for the update, its certainly interesting 09:21:53 Dan Miller thx for fixing the instance 10:56:46 plowsof: thanks for the info. So basically everyone is overworked and underpaid. 10:57:01 We should start a Union 11:00:07 under these circumstances, the project suffers, but the individuals who contribute benefit vastly. we can constantly, incrementally, increase our hourly rates/request more compensation from donors as we take on more and more responsibilities 11:00:48 things are achieved slower this way 11:02:11 on-boarding new contributors to correctly fill these tasks should be a priority instead of for example, me claiming to be working 5 jobs and i deserve more now 11:06:56 geonic: cool report, and congratulations on the awards and all the audiences reached 11:08:06 Also. Fair play to Vik, as co-producer, for funding any shortfall. 11:08:18 Look forward to the next film! 11:08:48 LIMIE2EE 11:09:54 I'm underworked and overpaid 😅 11:11:04 xmr-family: so am i. 11:11:25 re-reading "benefit vastly" -and i take that back, after hearing from some devs what theyre going through due to this - it would be a monetary gain* 11:12:11 see, i even put dashes where they aren't required. 12:35:28 plowsof: are you saying that the job is indeed 20 hrs / week? if so with the increased rate of mb's CCS of 3 xmr/month he is up to $6/hr 0_o 12:43:04 Give him $7.25 an hour. Total should be $1,740? 20 hours a week, 3 months. But no higher than $7.25 can't be making him rich /s 13:51:10 if there is no translations coordinator then website maintenance is 40 hours a week 14:11:11 for at least the first month, translations have been neglected for so long. AI translations / suggestions through weblate could reduce that though. site maintainer could have "migrating everything to hugo or some other platform because reasons" on their todo list, alot to review also. depends how many hours you want dedicated there really... site 14:11:11 maintainer lite mode is probably 1~ hour a day if you just want to ask people to squash / pls only edit the english version / pick a relevant commit title 14:17:27 What's the storage requirements currently for running a full node? I'm trying to get the CLI wallet running, but it requires the daemon to run in the background and I already ran out of storage lol 14:22:44 like 200 gb 14:23:02 you can start that with a remote node probably 14:23:42 If you want a pruned node its approx 80gb, but you need a ssd, otherwise it will take forever 14:24:14 Thanks, I have an ssd/nvme I just needed to know how much to partition lol. Big difference between 500GB and 3TB :D 14:24:47 it doesnt grow that quickly 14:24:53 maybe calculate with 30gb a year 14:28:53 Word. Thanks 14:30:25 While I'm at it.... Do I need to concern myself with firewall ports? Everything seemed to work without opening anything specific. 14:32:17 only if you want to 14:32:45 in torrenting terms, right now youre leeching. you need to open ports to be able to seed 14:33:59 Is there a doc that I can reference? 14:34:23 Not super concerned about privacy at the moment honestly 14:34:27 monerobull: Not completely true. You can send blocks to new syncing nodes when your ports are closed. But you are less likely to be connected to a newborn node if you have incoming ports closed. 14:34:54 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/DHbhGYIFgcstlQDVJyTrvzcN 14:35:33 Nice, thx 14:35:48 The Dandelion++ privacy protocol doesn't fully work well when ports are closed, too. 14:39:28 This may help: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/4076/does-mining-require-a-daemon-that-allows-incoming-connections-open-firewall-por 14:39:56 And https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/7505/what-are-the-differences-between-incoming-outgoing-connections 14:40:06 https://blog.nihilism.network/servers/monero2024/node.html got this little documentation for setting up a public monero node 14:41:32 monerobull: That table isn't really correct. Check the monero.stackexange answers ^ 14:42:27 You are sharing blockchain data with other nodes even if you have ports closed 14:47:38 Isn't that a technically 14:47:43 Isn't that a technicality 14:48:34 You're also seeding while downloading a torrent but that doesn't mean you keep sending after :P 15:02:15 Incoming/outgoing just means who _initiated_ the connection. It's in the stackexchange answers. AFAIK the only major difference is how the stem phase in Dandelion++ treats incoming and outgoing connections. 15:33:47 +1 what ruck said 15:34:11 Its only abt who initiated the connection 15:35:07 But 1 extra caveat - you can only connect to a subset of nodes. You cannot seed to nodes who also are configured like yours (with no incoming) 15:35:58 You a node that doesnt allow inc can only connect to node who do allow inc 15:36:29 If* you run* a node 16:43:06 I'd be willing to pickup being translations coordinator as my academic background is linguistics, but that requires the Weblate infrastructure to be up consistently and functional 16:44:26 Digilol might be willing to host it 17:10:55 I'd be willing to pickup being translations coordinator as my academic background is linguistics, but that requires the Weblate infrastructure to be up consistently and functional. Edit: I've also been the one in the workgroup telling folk what files to PR over GitHub as a workaround for the project Weblate instance being dysfunctional for the last year 17:48:33 tx midi! 18:26:27 +1 for xmrscott to do translations 18:27:28 anhdres would be a good candidate for that as well if he’s interested 18:30:33 Maybe he can focus on Spanish and xmrscott on Japanese and some others. Divide and conquer 18:31:25 we just need the main languages not everything under the sun imo 18:34:41 Plus as far as I remember netrik’s feedback was that we need paid translators (or human reviewers of AI translations) since he wasn’t able to motivate unpaid ones 18:41:37 Weblate has nice ai features built in 18:43:58 Let’s pay people to own certain languages/areas instead of a coordinator who then has to go out and find the people with those particular language skills 18:44:04 seems like a better ROI 19:01:35 I would heavily discourage and personally recommend disabling AI if it's used for translation. The models suffer from the ouroboros effect and not enough data. This can be seen in papers like "A Shocking Amount of the Web is Machine Translated: Insights from Multi-Way Parallelism" accepted by the Association for Computational Linguistics 19:01:36 https://arxiv.org/abs/2401.05749 19:04:13 kinda off-topic but this is exactly the primary plot of Matrix (the movie) 19:04:14 basically, machines need constant flow of "creativity" of humans, else they start "inbreeding"... that's why they enslaved humanity 19:04:16 this concept was deemed too complex for general audience, so they changed it to "humans as batteries" instead 19:10:41 <321bob321:monero.social> I thought the plot was to find neo 19:26:09 <321bob321:monero.social> The guy rarely does his admin job here. Why would you give him that job 19:26:40 <321bob321:monero.social> I swear this week i am living in the real matrix 19:33:51 neromonero1024: interesting, never knew that 19:34:33 he sucks at moderating. maybe he’s better at translating 19:34:56 did u vote for a web maintainer yet bob/dan? 19:35:13 <321bob321:monero.social> Maybe i should create a css too 19:35:23 so is the moderating job passed on to mb then? I mean in case your/his proposal gets trough? 19:35:26 I always see you around but not sure what you do 19:35:38 u can be in charge of english-to-english translations 19:35:44 Sad part about the matrix is you have to plug back in 19:36:19 ct: asking me? up to the generalissimo (luigi) 19:36:29 <321bob321:monero.social> Maybe i should create a css too <<>> may I suggest that you start with a ccs 19:37:26 <321bob321:monero.social> Neg 19:37:36 <321bob321:monero.social> Free stuff 19:37:37 but yes my proposal is for web maintainer + mod to go to mb. mb should be free to assign other mods as well 19:37:45 yeah asking you geonic. And I know you can't decide but just wanted to know your thoughts and if thats something related to your proposal 19:37:48 matrix mod* 19:38:17 I was a second to late, thanks for clarification 19:38:22 yes it’s the second point in the job description 19:38:25 np 19:39:15 <321bob321:monero.social> Wasnt the ccs for web maintainer, where did mod come from? 19:39:25 <321bob321:monero.social> Mission creep 19:39:44 you need to justify a 100k salary somehow 19:40:00 I think people should be free to pay diego for his soft skills if they’re deemed valuable. I’m against luigi/core giving him any position of authority as he’s abused it before 19:40:47 How and when did Diego abuse his position of authority? 19:40:57 he’s literally the only person who has ever been fired in monero’s history 19:41:04 sold our ccs to firo 19:41:37 had a number of conflicts of interest (which he continues to have). at least this time he’s upfront about it 19:41:42 again, geo, you don't know where seraphis and triptych came from 19:41:49 Thanks to your lack of principles, indeed. 19:42:07 They didn’t come from diego, that’s for sure 19:42:21 Do you have an invoice and receipt where he explicitly "sells" the CCS to Firo? 19:42:27 and they still haven’t come so… not sure what the point is 19:42:55 tryptich is a meme 19:42:57 he admitted to it. he was paid to do work for firo and just copy-pasted our ccs 19:43:00 seraphis even more so 19:43:19 kayaba had to come in and do literally everything seraphis does by himself and throw FCMPs on top 19:43:24 then he said he’s not accountable to the community 19:43:25 they are memes because people like geo think monero did something 19:43:30 That was a license problem. 19:43:34 the only person who has ever said that, ever 19:43:50 And fcmp doesnt do what seraphis does, but what jamtis does 19:44:03 Accusing Diego of "selling" our CCS to Firo is one of your most retarded and false accusations I've heard so far. 19:44:10 and this guy will be our representative in the high echelons of power 19:44:13 seraphis and jamtis are 2 different things 19:44:20 But you excel at those. Not surprised. 19:44:26 rotten: that was the official reason he was fired 19:44:33 read core’s statement 19:44:40 Core threw him under the bus 19:44:48 Nah. 19:44:58 crawl back to your hole now and let the adults talk 19:45:13 <321bob321:monero.social> Core are bus drivers too? 19:45:15 Core should have been fired, but instead you blame the scapegoat (and the researcher) 19:45:22 Keep fucking yourself. 19:45:30 Looks like! 19:45:34 Yes. Fluffy hired him surreptitiously and didn’t take any responsibility 19:45:52 <321bob321:monero.social> Management 101 19:45:54 I never blamed sarang for anything, ever 19:46:12 That was just their line of defense. “Geo is being mean to sarang” 19:46:31 This garden gnome claims he sold CCS to Firo, when asked for proof, steps back a little and says he was getting paid to do work for Firo, literally copy pasted it and that is how he "sold" it. 19:46:33 Who was it that wrote the hit piece against triptych 19:46:55 A hit piece against a meme? Wut 19:47:02 Or against the ccs for it 19:47:11 Now Triptych is a meme too! 19:47:17 you’re changing the subject 19:47:31 the subject here is diego’s mercantile behaviour 19:47:47 and that he can’t be put in a position of authority again because of it 19:47:50 Triptych evolved into spark and seraphis 19:47:56 no it didn’t 19:48:03 says you 19:48:14 subject is behavior that goes against community. Its not personal 19:48:15 literally nothing in common. Seraphis was koe’s baby 19:48:35 ct: thanks 19:48:48 I don’t dislike diego personally. I think he’s an excellent gun for hire and should be used as such 19:48:56 seraphis is *ahem* an "abstraction" of firos work 19:48:59 the firo ccs thing is also rather silly 19:49:27 1. It was always meant to be licensed FOSS. We all know that. That it wasn't was my mistake. 19:49:37 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/o9v6nm/statement_from_core_team_on_rehrar/ 19:49:42 2. I didn't use my core hours to do the work. 19:49:51 In addition to the multiple conflict of interest concerns raised by the community, we uncovered the following after "An open letter to the core team": 19:50:03 We note that the initial commits were made on December 16th, 2019. We invite the community to make their own investigations and conclusions regarding the copyright infringement of the content and code in the Monero CCS front and back end, as a result of these Firo commits. 19:50:29 3. When I spoke with several people about the fact that Firo was forking our CCS (and didn't withhold that I was doing the work) people thought it was pretty cool that we were making tools that could be used in the FOSS community at large 19:50:38 You were fired for copyright infringement of monero’s code 19:50:39 Anyone could've stolen the CCS platform, that Firo did first and was the one we noticed is coincidence. The rest is all bs thrown around by this dwarf. 19:50:44 feel free to rewrite history as much as you’d like 19:50:45 i thought ccs was foss 19:50:52 ofrnxmr: it wasn’t at the time 19:51:02 well thats kinda cucked 19:51:25 It was public domain. Had no license. 19:51:28 positing the history that I 'stole' the code is sensationalized in light of literally everyone know it should have been FOSS 19:51:50 Should have been but wasn’t. You were fired for it. 19:52:01 regardless - if it wasnt foss, ask the devs why they cucked ccs 19:52:01 true 19:52:17 A part of rehrar's role was to keep his finger on the pulse of the community and the project, aiming to know and report to the Core Team anything that might be of interest or concern to the Monero project at large. We note that at the end of December 2019, during the 36C3 congress in Leipzig, Germany, rehrar had the opportunity to speak in person 19:52:17 with three members of the Core Team, and no mention was made regarding the Firo commits. Unfortunately, we feel that a similar pattern occurred with many of the community concerns where a proactive approach of bringing all these facts to us in a prompt and clear manner was not taken. The culminating example of this was rehrar securing a one year, 19:52:17 full-time contract for sarang with another project, which we only discovered very recently. We consider this pattern to have been a breach of trust, and a direct contradiction with rehrar’s role. 19:52:22 if the code had been properly FOSS licensed would it have been an abuse of power? 19:52:38 “ We consider this pattern to have been a breach of trust, and a direct contradiction with rehrar’s role.” 19:52:56 End of story. This is Core’s statement. 19:52:56 tl: core are a bunch of shitbags 19:53:10 They paid diego behind your back, then blamed him 19:53:18 Rofl 19:53:32 At least the person who did that has resigned now 19:54:01 Core-uption 19:54:08 Core's culminating example, the linch pin, as it were, was something I wasn't going to force sarang to do. 19:54:17 Core is short for core-uption 19:54:20 Stop manipulating 19:54:25 Yes, core threw me under the bus for a lot of things that were initially their idea. 19:54:35 own your mistakes and move on 19:54:35 I'll stop when you stop 19:54:44 and when will you own yours? 19:54:47 or is it a character trait? 19:55:11 talking about Foss licenses, how does it come that you are looking for buyers to license your movie to, while the CCS clearly states work must be licensed permissively at all times? 19:55:22 geo, youre selling the movie?? Am i remembering wrong, or didnt you say youd give it to everyone fkr free after oscar run 19:55:28 pointing fingers while doing the same shit yourself stinks 19:55:34 It’s a marketing campaign, I didn’t fund my movie with the ccs. This was discussed multiple times 19:55:37 Remember when you made a reddit thread telling the community that the reason Triptych wasn't moving forward was because he was working for other projects? When the reason that particular CCS wasn't moving forward was we found something that was a worthwhile stopping point for the community to discuss whether or not it should be moved forward with at all? 19:55:39 Bcuz doing so beforehand waa against rules 19:56:00 And then instead of owning up to that mistake you doubled down and said "well it resulted in people looking for other researchers so it (the misinformation) was worth it"? 19:56:05 I made a reddit thread to point out that while we’re “waiting for Godot”, sarang was working on Firo 19:56:16 and it was the truth 19:56:23 cuz I certainly remember 19:56:39 Is that the deleted reddit post? 19:56:42 that they shouldn't wait for sarang was possibly true but that's not all you said 19:56:50 What else did I say? 19:57:01 I’m sorry I deleted that thread now. Is it archived 19:57:15 you said the reason why people were still waiting on that CCS was because Sarang is doing work for other projects 19:57:22 Why'd you delete it 19:57:39 ofrnxmr: people being butthurt over it 19:57:53 Sounds like you were the one butthurt, otherwise why delete it? 19:58:05 We had enough drama at the time? 19:58:16 it was deleted a long time after, wasnt it 19:58:19 In addition, I have owned up to the CCS mistake. I should have made sure it was licensed correctly before forking it. 19:58:24 diego: I said that while we’re waiting for that CCS, Sarang is doing work for other projects 19:58:46 In addition addition, I have owned up to the fact that the contract was right to be terminated at that time for a variety of reasons 19:58:50 I have openly said all of these things 19:58:52 last time and this time 19:59:08 Do you admit to breaching the community’s (and core’s) trust, as they have said? 19:59:12 I think several particular points people are pushing are a bit silly and pedantic, but that doesn't mean I was right 19:59:26 Core breached communities trust 19:59:44 <321bob321:monero.social> Yet still in charge 19:59:51 You don't agree, geo? 19:59:54 <321bob321:monero.social> A lot of sheep here 19:59:58 that’s how monarchies work 20:00:00 also kind of silly given I insisted several times over the years that we go public with the community with core not being thrilled on the idea 20:00:17 and only my final insistence got me a "do what you want" thing that started this whole shabang :P 20:00:24 diego: Do you admit to breaching the community’s (and core’s) trust, as they have said? 20:00:26 duh. Core is short for corruption 20:00:42 Core breached 20:00:48 ofrnxmr: pls 20:00:53 Diego was an employee, just doing his job 20:01:21 <321bob321:monero.social> Like in the real world if you lost a lot of money and cant prove you got hacked= fired and referred to police 20:01:24 he didnt work for community, he worked for the sheeps shephard 20:01:30 <321bob321:monero.social> Here they give them the wallet back 20:01:32 Diego was purportedly fired for breaching the trust of his employers. I’d like to know if he admits to that or if Core is misrepresenting the facts. 20:01:34 For Sarang? No. For The FCS it was a mistake. If that constitutes breach of trust, yes. Otherwise, no. For not volunteering that I was employed by core (it was an open secret) at their suggestion, community yes, core no. 20:02:23 Although I remember a conversation with a core team member and a few others regarding Firo and they didn't care. Could be misremembering because it was some time ago. 20:02:32 but since I can't provide proof it's inadmissable 20:02:56 I’m noticing a few yeses there. Bottom line is trust was breached and you were fired. 20:03:16 why should the community forget that and put you in a position of authority now? 20:03:19 he was fired becsuse core was doing damage control and needed a scapegoat 20:03:37 no, he was fired because people wanted him fired 20:03:41 Not because of what diego did with ccs's code 20:03:45 this is partially the truth 20:03:50 <321bob321:monero.social> Doesnt fit his narrative ofrn 20:04:12 <321bob321:monero.social> Jobs and growth 20:04:19 Ikr. Geonic - are you jealous that luigi liked diego more than you or smthn? 20:04:26 you wanted him fired 20:04:32 Cuz im pretty sure luigi likes you too 20:04:35 No, I never sucked up to luigi or tried to ingratiate myself with core 20:05:06 He sure as hell jumped to make exceptions for your ccs 20:05:10 and I’m not technical enough to do that job, so again no 20:05:43 which is why I support mb doing it 20:05:46 Half up front milestone requesr, first time contributor 20:06:00 But anonero was told the opposite 20:06:11 stay on topic please. I said I was going to run a campaign and I did it. I showed receipts. How many ccs’s have done that? 20:06:19 <321bob321:monero.social> You should should that 20:06:25 we’re still waiting for diego’s transparency report 20:06:27 the foss ones? How do they show receipts 20:06:40 They didnt raise money to lay for their hobbies 20:06:43 fluffy could show receipts for where the $500k coral reef funds went 20:06:46 Pay* 20:06:55 Another scam 20:07:08 Stay on topic 20:07:15 i am on topic 20:07:16 why do you want an untrustworthy person in a position of trust again? 20:07:30 Core betrayed community when they merged your non-foss ccs 20:07:46 I voted ofrn, remember 20:07:48 You’re not the community 20:08:03 🍿 20:08:10 because the consequences of that "untrustworthiness" like...weren't anything? 20:08:18 Sarang wasn't coming back anyways? 20:08:23 Monero still has the CCS? 20:08:45 like wtf did I do with my power? 20:08:54