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02:48:00 <m-relay> <w​hoami78:matrix.org> Do you have a group in simplex?
02:59:06 <elucidator> dukenukem: much better yes
03:16:55 <m-relay> <r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> its not official but yes, one for monero and one for retro haveno iirc
06:28:05 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> I may do it but I need to know what is expected of me
07:22:14 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> to be website maintainer?
07:47:04 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> hehe
07:47:15 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> time to open a ccs with current prices to calculate xmr amount
07:47:39 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> +10% vOLaTiLiTy bUfFeR
09:33:55 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> yes
09:40:20 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Really cannot stay without you guys
09:43:41 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Sup ErC did  you come back to help develop haveno ? Lol
09:45:22 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Lol. I came back to enjoy the view of the dumpster fire
09:46:25 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> is that him or?
09:47:09 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> nah
09:51:23 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> So, how are things going? 😄
09:51:34 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> hardenedsteel: saw your dm. Cannot accept it for some reason
09:52:46 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> left the room
09:54:00 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Haveno doing good actually, reto being the main network currently steady amount of trades for the last 2 months
09:54:36 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Plus support for windows / macos / Linux / whonix / tails
09:54:57 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> All that's left is android support with that 100xmr bounty
09:55:06 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> wow cool
09:57:11 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> so when the votes to approve rotten as maintainer and main dev of getmonero? I'm in favour.
09:57:51 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> the UI is a little dated
09:58:23 <plowsof> Some proposals have been closed https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/
09:59:34 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> why was monerobull's proposal closed? I thought it was the one that made more sense, and i'm serious
10:00:14 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> but i guess you do know that luigi already decided
10:00:16 <badjabber> wtf
10:00:54 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Today in things that no one ever thought they'd read...
10:01:15 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> The Italian butcher shows support for rotten's maintainer role!
10:01:53 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Damn, I forget I got a yellow card. bbl
10:01:57 <plowsof> It was made by someone else / changes to be made through them.  (Luigis closing comment) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/471 monerobull can submit one himself
10:02:27 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> ah ok
10:03:51 <ofrnxmr> i wonder why rotten leaves matrix citing yellow csrd. Does he think that doesnt apply to dukenukem as well?
10:06:25 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> i'd have so many more questions
10:07:03 <ofrnxmr> Such as
10:08:25 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Is it pronounced carnival or carnivàl?
10:09:03 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> fun fact: carnival is an italian thing
10:09:22 <plowsof> There is no card system in place here btw 
10:09:30 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> i'm here for more fun facts or suggestions for cuts of meat
10:11:15 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Straight to sin bin
10:16:16 <ofrnxmr> What are you talking abt, erc?
10:16:58 <ofrnxmr> italial carnies? What?
10:17:22 <ofrnxmr> Stay on topic or go away. Fkn troll
10:18:50 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> sorry, forgot this room is for laser-focused and about Monero of the highest lever. Let's go back ontopic: found my replacement yet? 😄
10:19:03 <ofrnxmr> yes
10:19:23 <ofrnxmr> Plowsof replaced you on day 1
10:20:07 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> awesome. I guess the multiple pull requests for somebody taking over my role are just a side thing. Like prosciutto and melon
10:20:15 <ofrnxmr> You never had merge powers anyway, and you banned/blocked me from reviewing your PRs. You sucked at the job tbh
10:20:25 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> which i highly suggest btw
10:20:26 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> but the melon must be cold
10:20:30 <ofrnxmr> The multiple PRs were for _your_ position
10:20:56 <ofrnxmr> your position was to work on site and organize prs
10:21:25 <ofrnxmr> Site coordinator. You never had merge power
10:22:50 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> yeah i've done terrible work. 0 achievements and when people realised i got thousands of $ without do anything, i simply left and founded my own consultancy company
10:22:58 <ofrnxmr> s/were for your position/werent for you position
10:23:13 <ofrnxmr> You were already working for firo
10:23:16 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Hows firo going?
10:23:52 <ofrnxmr> you simply left? You closed your ccs as soon as ccs was reactivated 
10:24:04 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Quite well. Thanks. Nobody harassed me to the point of going to work to a competitor so far
10:24:11 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Money made your head spin huh, spoken like a true scammer
10:24:32 <ofrnxmr> tell the story about hkw woodser wanted money buy how you sold to vik
10:24:41 <ofrnxmr> But* how
10:24:59 <ofrnxmr> Why leave out how much you were paid to scam vik
10:25:07 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> well. sit in a circle and grub a marshmallow
10:25:21 <ofrnxmr> I have enough popcorn 
10:25:49 <ofrnxmr> Start at the "so, i decided to sell my stake" 
10:26:00 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> yeah. i was even considering selling back old Monero contributors that i hired for my consultancy company back to monero
10:26:15 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> so much money man
10:26:28 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Human trafficking
10:26:35 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Coc violation
10:26:43 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Why did you get money before doing anything relevant anyway lol
10:27:00 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> That's the part I don't understand
10:27:06 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> I don't know. Bunch of moron trusted me without checking
10:27:09 <ofrnxmr> Erc, please, act professional
10:27:36 <ofrnxmr> When did you first start trying to sell your portion of haveno
10:27:39 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> I heard that when the jet fund took off, you stopped working?
10:27:44 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> but now i have my own swimming pool. Right in my van
10:27:57 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Baller
10:28:16 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> that's exactly what happened. Only a moron would work 2 years for free because they believe in a project so much
10:28:18 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> so yeah gimme da money
10:28:26 <ofrnxmr> When
10:28:52 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Well. First i was afraid. I was petrified
10:28:58 <ofrnxmr> 3 months before ccs? 3 months after?
10:28:58 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Yea need to work with bounties. Only pay when the work is actually done
10:29:09 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> agree with both
10:29:17 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Yea need to work with bounties. Only pay when the work is actually done, should filter out scammers
10:29:21 <ofrnxmr> when did you first approach someone to buy you out of haveno
10:29:43 <ofrnxmr> Dont deflect and sing songs 
10:29:50 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> it was 1789, France. The state was bankrupt
10:30:04 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> lot of guillottines in production tho
10:30:04 <ofrnxmr> So youre just here to troll then
10:30:33 <ofrnxmr> 1. Your job isnt being discussed with these prs
10:30:50 <ofrnxmr> 2. You scammed your investors ans community 
10:30:57 <ofrnxmr> Your old* job
10:31:41 <ofrnxmr> Not what what your goal is here. Do you want your old job back or something?
10:31:59 <ofrnxmr> If so, go open a proposal
10:32:02 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> yeah i scammed everybody. You cannot really get a pool in your van without bending some rules. My dog doesn't look at me anymore, but i accept it
10:32:39 <ofrnxmr> Are you living in, and consulting out of your van now?
10:33:06 <ofrnxmr> Is that what youre trying to say?
10:33:37 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> The last 5 years i worked on Monero i did from my van. Nothing changed. Well, except the pool of course
10:33:52 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Hippie van?
10:34:17 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> yes. Made of flowers and weed
10:34:27 <ofrnxmr> And you want to blame _______ for you closing ylur proposal?
10:34:37 <ofrnxmr> You closed it on your own, remember
10:34:58 <ofrnxmr> spat the dummy 
10:35:00 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> i do remember my own actions sometimes.
10:35:42 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> i closed my proposal, asked another project if they were interested in my help. They did, and now i'm a real child!
10:35:42 <ofrnxmr> You remember blocking me from reviewing your PRs?
10:35:58 <ofrnxmr> You worked for firo BEFORE you left 
10:36:13 <ofrnxmr> Pinocchio 
10:36:35 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> your problem is that you don't put effort in your lies.
10:36:44 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Rip commit history
10:36:45 <ofrnxmr> Your nose is growing
10:37:03 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> you know what they say 😉
10:37:21 <ofrnxmr> what month did you start working for firo
10:38:41 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> You make the claim, prove it my dear
10:39:29 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Oh i have meme for you
10:40:01 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> lol
10:40:14 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/NJfmFDudUxvponSFqgEKtpcK
10:40:29 <ofrnxmr> https://github.com/firoorg/firo-site/commit/5f21205c40ae5dff092ab3c0bae02b40150b1de6
10:41:25 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> ErC, were Monero a chinese project, you'd have a crowd funded hitman on your ass
10:41:27 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> it's doing pretty well as it is 😛
10:42:17 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> We have website maintainer job open
10:42:25 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Please apply within
10:43:18 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Will do. I heard it's nice around here
10:43:26 <ofrnxmr> It is
10:43:35 <ofrnxmr> Improved as soon as you left 
10:44:00 <ofrnxmr> probably 5+ more contributors 
10:44:30 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> wow. This is really an amazing place to be then
10:45:08 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Currently plowsof is interim and fixing previous maintainer issues
10:45:08 <ofrnxmr> All credit goes to you
10:45:51 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> btw just so you are happy: I told luigi to not merge my css -> i asked firo if they were interested -> they were and i started contributing. That's it. You can start building your thing from here
10:45:59 <ofrnxmr> If you hadnt left, we'd still have 2 efficiency problems to deal with instead of 1   
10:45:59 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> thanks for fixing the issues i created
10:46:23 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Oh we have paper wallet merged now erc
10:46:42 <ofrnxmr> 1. you closed your ccs on your own, you didnt have to ask luigi
10:47:11 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Took one year to merge
10:47:11 <ofrnxmr> 2. You asked firo before you left monero
10:47:20 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> remember to go to 2 this time
10:47:40 <ofrnxmr> Im on irc, dumbass. No linebreaks
10:47:43 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> too late
10:48:45 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> ah lol. Please don't treat me so badly. I have feelings you know?
10:49:05 <ofrnxmr> Anyway, if you want your job back, you know where to apply. But you cant block me from reviewing your prs
10:49:38 <ofrnxmr> kinda retarded child 
10:49:41 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> actually you know i might have actually asked before if they were interested. I honestly didn't remember. I was definitely trying to get out at the point
10:50:11 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> oh no ☹️
10:50:46 <ofrnxmr> how do you expect to get work done if you block reviewers?
10:51:09 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> i don't know, since that's definitely how things work
10:51:11 <ofrnxmr> Clearly not cut out to coordinate
10:51:32 <m-relay> <c​t:xmr.mx> no need for review is work done is already perfect ofrnxmr
10:51:32 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> yeah 0 accomplishments
10:51:47 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> oh thank you ceetee.mx 🙂
10:51:48 <m-relay> <c​t:xmr.mx> no need for review if work done is already perfect ofrnxmr
10:52:29 <ofrnxmr> True. And we all know that paper wallet wasnt full of spelling errors
10:53:05 <ofrnxmr> No need to review anything. Erc is without flaws
10:53:19 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> yeah that was malicious af. Too bad yoy cought them
10:53:35 <ofrnxmr> i wouldnt have if i didnt comare the diffs
10:53:40 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> o​frnxmr: well, i didn't expect that from you. Thanks 🙂
10:54:04 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> you are such a hacker
10:54:13 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Umm
10:54:17 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Haxxor
10:54:33 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> computerwiz
10:54:46 <ofrnxmr> Phone*wiz
10:55:47 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/dDktlSZsnWnkuQNEFbEGyHGO
10:55:50 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Twitter you friend again? Cause i saw the twitter comments when you shitted on the community. Backfire big time.
11:02:35 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> i'd say optimism
11:05:09 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> 10 billion with a b worth of sell pressure coming right up
11:05:19 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> > this kills the bullmarket
11:05:53 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> gotta be productive now. Was fun. Ciao ciao
11:12:33 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> image.png
11:18:05 <midipoet> price talk should remain in -offtopic
11:19:13 <badjabber> literally no one was talking about price
11:20:47 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Monero-markets really
11:21:29 <badjabber> fuck i was wrong sorry
11:21:43 <badjabber> monerobull talked about price i derped
11:22:04 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> -1000 on social credit score
11:23:11 <midipoet> you jabbed bad
11:23:28 <m-relay> <c​t:xmr.mx> >matrix.org joins the room
11:23:30 <m-relay> <c​t:xmr.mx> sus
11:26:07 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> No u!
11:26:18 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Hi archiver
11:45:28 <m-relay> <c​t:xmr.mx> next meeting tomorrow or next week?
11:48:36 <ofrnxmr> Tomorrow
11:49:56 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> o​frnxmr: i actually checked and you were right. I apologise. I did start working on Firo before leaving Monero. Don't know why you care, but yes.
11:52:32 <ofrnxmr> No need to apologise
11:53:29 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> My honour imposes it sir!
11:53:40 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> ok i stop. Bye again. Take care
11:53:46 <ofrnxmr> care is a strong word. "remember" is more accurate. 
11:53:50 <ofrnxmr> Cya
11:55:00 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> Why do you care that i started to work on Firo before leaving Monero for good? Is it unthinkable that i wanted to work on both and when i got tired of dealing with some people and an absent core team i left?
11:55:08 <m-relay> <e​rc:cryptoriot.org> who knows. To the next episode
11:57:50 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> you can leave for real now
11:59:18 <ofrnxmr> "care is a strong word. "remember" is more accurate. " +1 to what MB said
15:30:05 <m-relay> <b​usyboredom:tchncs.de> It's been a long time coming, but AcceptXMR-Server (the standalone payment gateway) had its initial release last night 🚀
15:30:06 <m-relay> <b​usyboredom:tchncs.de> Setup, configuration, and API documentation is in the README here: https://github.com/busyboredom/acceptxmr/tree/main/server
15:30:08 <m-relay> <b​usyboredom:tchncs.de> Combination x84 and aarch64 docker builds are published here: https://hub.docker.com/r/busyboredom/acceptxmr
15:30:10 <m-relay> <b​usyboredom:tchncs.de> I believe this satisfies the first milestone (Dockerize AcceptXMR) (cc plowsof). I am now working on the second milestone of implementing a wordpress plugin.
15:31:52 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ooohhh, nooo, poor me!!!
15:33:07 <m-relay> <b​usyboredom:tchncs.de> Version 0.14.0 of the AcceptXMR library was also published alongside the AcceptXMR-Server release. It includes a few API changes that made the development of AcceptXMR-Server much easier, and that should benefit developers of other payment gateways too: https://github.com/busyboredom/acceptxmr/releases/tag/v0.14.0
15:33:43 <m-relay> <b​usyboredom:tchncs.de> *developers of other AcceptXMR-based payment gateways, I mean.
15:59:39 <ofrnxmr> "Ooohhh, nooo, poor me!!!"<< what?
16:00:57 <ofrnxmr> busyboredom, did you see that there was a new ccs posted for another payment gateway? Any comments on it?
16:01:55 <m-relay> <b​usyboredom:tchncs.de> Oh neat nope I haven't seen it yet, I'll take a look
16:06:30 <plowsof> Thanks for the update busyboredom! 
17:16:39 <geonic> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/476
17:17:11 <geonic> the COI section is the best
17:18:23 <luigi1111> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> 10 billion with a b worth of sell pressure coming right up <= xmr minting bug round 2?
17:20:10 <geonic> monerobull you’re missing a volatility buffer
17:24:02 <luigi1111> these are tough times, maybe a 100% buffer would be good
17:26:44 <geonic> exactly 
17:34:24 <plowsof> make sock account then create an 'archive monero' ccs if you're feeling the pinch 
17:34:45 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> .bbl on it boss.
17:35:04 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 2 XMR with 69% buffer for volatility.
17:35:14 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> can i host a gittea instance for 100 xmr per year
17:35:24 <plowsof> lol
18:36:05 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> is "pulse of the community" becoming a meme? lol
18:37:03 <geonic> As is “putting out fires”
18:41:17 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> finally..
18:42:14 <geonic> Soon to be joined by “volatility buffer” :p
18:42:36 <m-relay> <m​mxxx:monero.social> Any update on monero.town?
18:43:23 <geonic> It’s no longer throwing an error message, just a blank screen now. #progress
19:00:41 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> nah the server is shut down because it was still eating a lot of data and spamming logs
19:01:07 <geonic> Ddos?
19:09:15 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> yea
19:09:30 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> the issue between matrix.org and monero.social seems to be solved
19:22:28 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> I think when it floods it, it appears on matrix.org
20:13:19 <ofrnxmr> How do you keep the pulse on a dead thing
20:13:37 <ofrnxmr> Need to change "keep pulse" to "give cpr"
20:23:29 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> monerobull your front matter is making my eye twitch please fix https://plowsof.github.io/chatgpt-ccs-proposal-form.html
20:45:52 <geonic> ngl it's pretty sad that we have to pay someone to kickstart a workgroup, regardless of who it is
20:48:44 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> How come it has chatgpt in the link mr plowsof!
20:49:28 <plowsof> because it created most of it and i dont want to take all the credit 
20:53:54 <midipoet> Plenty of work gets kickstarted for free. The problem is that it's hard to sustain that free labour. We have the CCS, but that also seems really difficult for some reason. it would be interesting to see what happened if we changed our mindset for the CCS to something more permissable. Try and get 90% of propsals through the ideas stage, instead of everyone trying to gate keep each other all the time in some weird tribal 
20:53:54 <midipoet> polarisation fetish. I include myself in this gatekeeping criticism. 
20:54:30 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> who the fuck puts the reset button where you would normally continue 😭
20:55:47 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Like everyone gets a participation badge ?
22:50:04 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> ah this again
22:54:39 <vthor> geonic: I don't see it that way, it is a communist way to expect other people make the work for you (mean not literally you) without getting something in exchange, this socalist/communist mindset keeping goverment alive, making want other people to be your slaves (paying for the things you want). I think it is very sane to pay for value, I'm honestly shoked when I see how some people giving there time almost for free away, doing a lot of work and then 
22:54:41 <vthor> even take the heat people complaining what somebody did for far less like the value or even for free. I can't and won't affort working for free, time is limited, money not, and money is a exchange of energy. When you put in one form energy in something, should come at least the same amount of energy out of it (doesn't need to be monetary - but of worth). Expecting, people to make things for no compensation is in my view utterly wrong. IMO...