02:46:38 <321bob321:monero.social> Jitsi did something weird 02:46:46 <321bob321:monero.social> Asks for signup or something 02:46:54 <321bob321:monero.social> Also not e2ee 02:54:49 1) Was because like any free service, people abused it: https://jitsi.org/blog/authentication-on-meet-jit-si/ 02:54:50 2) https://jitsi.org/e2ee-in-jitsi/ 06:14:19 lies 06:14:30 the jitsi e2ee just nukes the instance 06:14:43 it goes "END TO END ENCRYPTION: ON" 06:15:07 and then nobody can hear anyone anymore, even if you turn it off 06:15:26 technically, you can't be spied on if nobody can talk to each other ;) 06:16:15 i used to abuse jitsi.debian.social for streaming movies 06:43:37 hi need help 07:29:26 hello, with what specifically? 10:19:52 https://www.themoneromoon.com/p/the-monero-moon-issue-71 15:44:21 "Grab a beer and fall asleep." plowsof 😂 15:57:38 doesn't seem to work on non-Chromium browsers 😒 15:58:08 I have used it successfully, when everyone is using a browser like Brave 15:58:37 Firefox gang 15:58:48 Actually, all my browsers are broken 15:59:10 So now I have to use edge to stream movies 💀 15:59:27 Firefox bcs it's hardened and no idea what happened to chrome 16:04:44 edge is chrome 16:08:25 i know 16:08:37 just microsoft tracking instead of google 16:10:59 stream movies? Is it a site like Netflix that requires Widevine 16:27:02 do you re-harden your firefox after ever update? 16:27:36 stream the way normal people do on discord 16:27:38 do you re-harden your firefox after every update? 16:29:48 no? 16:29:57 i check if webrtc is leaking ip though 16:32:32 that look like a pain in the ass 16:34:53 why not mullvad if your so tight on security 16:46:42 I swear I saw a privacy/Monero (maybe not Monero but just general privacy) meetup happening adjacent to the Bitcoin Nashville one, but I can't find it for the life of me and twitter search sucks ass. If somebody knows please link me 16:47:38 I swear I saw a small privacy/Monero (maybe not Monero but just general privacy) meetup happening adjacent to the Bitcoin Nashville one, but I can't find it for the life of me and twitter search sucks ass. If somebody knows please link me 17:40:16 Also interested! 17:42:47 https://lu.ma/thyyoysm cc tuxsudo 17:44:44 thanks bro ❤️ 17:45:13 So it's "Bitcoin" privacy, but maybe I can sneak Monero in there.... 😏 17:45:29 I thought I saw you on the list of speakers! 😀 17:45:33 unfortunately my LTC talk is during the first hour but I might be able to swing by for the second half 17:50:34 yessir, I will be speaking briefly at Litecoin for MWEB integration and Bitcoin for Silent Payments, along with Rafael from Cake. 17:50:51 gotta be careful tho BTC conference is very anti alt coin 17:50:58 Noice! 17:51:18 and alt iterative improvements of any kind it seems lol 17:51:24 and anti iterative improvements of any kind it seems lol 17:51:52 it would be hilarious if I got banned because I have a monero sticker on my laptop. I don't think they are that anal about it but who knows 17:52:32 It's a religion lol be careful. I hear Musk will be there now too. 19:27:19 <321bob321:monero.social> Tux is following sith lords path 19:27:48 <321bob321:monero.social> Wonder if he unders up at the same place, btc cant be private 19:29:32 <321bob321:monero.social> Wonder if he ends up at the same place, btc cant be private 20:18:55 from personal experience, the smart ones get that there is a reason why monero exists and is used 20:19:58 and the not so smart ones don't even know how their own tech works so who cares about their opinions 20:21:05 https://x.com/TheVladCostea/status/1814348130374262786 This was really long, but a very interesting example of how thick-skulled BTC'ers can be. 20:21:24 This ^^ 20:21:52 was reading a bit more of hijacking bitcoin today 20:22:37 i bought the book, i think theres a pdf on monero.town 20:24:18 but the best part was about tone vays being told how lightning works 20:24:38 but the best part so far was about tone vays being told how lightning works 20:26:54 lightning feels like a hack. I hate L2's, but that one is the worst 20:27:12 I just wish we would solve the trilemma already and get some good smart contract action at scale on a PoW chain 20:27:20 what other L2's? 20:27:24 oh... and a commodity backed stablecoin 20:27:52 zK L2's are fancy... but bridges feel like a hack 20:28:32 honestly no idea how the eth ecosystem works, what are those? 20:28:45 Some CPU/GPU mining algo on a chain that can do 50k actual TPS and smart contracts would be nice 20:29:17 an Eth L2 uses smart contracts to "rollup" tx's and secure them on ETH 20:29:28 So technically they can rebuild the L2 off of ETH data 20:30:23 zK uses fancy moon-math encryption to do the work instead of "optimistic" rollups that just assume things are accurate. 20:30:40 I'm not being fair, but those are high-level explanations shared by others who know more than me 20:32:08 is there even a trustless eth L2 already? 20:32:18 most of them are basically glorified multisigs 20:32:38 Technically thats what zK L2's are 20:32:50 are you sure? 20:33:02 "Zero-knowledge cryptography" 20:33:03 ive heard some use zk proofs but still have admin keys 20:33:18 i know what it is and people abuse the term 20:33:30 they think a L2 that uses zk is private for some reason 20:33:44 many think a L2 that uses zk is private for some reason 20:35:18 It's not "private", but it doesn't require tx-data to be posted to the L1, just the validity proof. 20:35:32 So it's more private than an optimistic rollup? lol 20:36:05 The L2 itself isn't private 20:36:13 i know 20:36:20 But you can make "privacy pools" using zK and smart contracts 20:36:24 eth ecosystem is a fucking mess 20:36:53 Agreed, but I love smart contracts.... 20:37:20 Huge step towards a truly p2p economy. 20:37:20 yeah they are cool 20:37:24 but look at this crap lmao 20:37:38 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/GypOXMKAxmCTiMmyQkbkSMkS 20:37:49 It's a fragmented mess full of mysterious bridges 20:38:00 We should be able to build something better 20:38:11 but VC's love that 100x return copy-pasta 20:38:27 ETH with its own sharding could have been the literal best chain for anything but payments 20:38:41 and all the devs are javascriptkiddies so they circle jerk each other into this mess 20:39:03 for all the UX problems with lightning, it's not custodial garbage like liquid, ecash, bridges, etc 20:39:21 kayaba already promised to build monero L2 with EVM after we're quantum resistant /s 20:39:32 although most people do use custodial lightning wallets 20:39:33 lol 20:39:44 isnt like 98% of lightning liquidity custodial? 20:39:52 But then I'm bridging again aint I? 20:39:59 98%? probably not, but its high 20:40:42 Unfortunately I fear once monero gets 1 L2... it will get 30+ just like Eth 20:40:54 We should be able to scale by subnetting and merge-mining 20:40:58 more people might use lightning properly if opening channels was cheaper, which goes back to the high btc fees 20:41:06 Have you seen Quai? They're in testnet, but the tech is pretty cool. 20:42:21 nah no chance 20:42:26 no VC money in monero 20:42:35 kayaba will have to build it all by themself 20:42:51 LOL! 20:43:02 yeah, we are toxic 20:43:19 Nah, just private tx's scare most people 20:45:55 ah fuck deleted the tweet# 20:46:58 https://ccdata.io/research/esg-rankings 20:46:59 haha 20:47:13 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/DyEyaOaEfqavODqmWmWFgQRN 20:47:35 whats that benchmark of ? lol 20:47:44 With polkadot at the top??? 20:47:45 cryptoassets have ESG ratings!? 20:47:48 ESG ranking :D 20:47:58 https://x.com/stacy_muur/status/1808084118519140370?s=46&t=d0V-aPG_VHfwmUsEtjGOxw 20:48:00 grafik.png 20:48:08 explains all the proof of stake coins 20:48:32 ahh they were #5 lol 20:49:48 The world runs on snake oil 20:50:13 So Monero has the worst ESG ranking, nice 20:50:17 marketing in crypto is bullshit 20:50:19 Environmental: the ones at the top for environmental is due to the PoS i guess because not much energy consummed but as we all know you cant have store of value without PoW 20:50:20 Stamp of approval 20:50:20 Social: who knows what that even means 20:50:22 Governance: yea i get why monero is at the bottom in here lol 20:50:46 i bet all the marketing spent on crypto scams has made more profit than legit projects marketing spending 20:51:12 It's a circle jerk 20:51:18 I did a few Eth conventions and gave up 20:51:42 the scammers actually want to turn a profit, the crypto projects just blast out money financed by inflation / premine 20:51:44 Now I'm exploring PoW and while it's not as bad... its far more... religious? lol 20:51:58 Like you said.. most don't even understand their own tech 20:52:14 barely anyone can profitably mine 20:52:23 now add in a $20k asic up front 20:52:44 Truth 20:52:45 thats how you get cope like the recent bitaxe hype 20:53:36 I have a theory... chains that choose an ASIC'able algo today do so for financial forecasting. #of miners * price of miner can likely predict price enough to get a VC hooked 20:53:44 well, PoW is essential if you want your currency to have value in the long run 20:53:56 Agreed 20:54:08 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/jZTkkoFuHnfsxdgrAYoUiOUI 20:54:10 A commodity backed stable would be nice 20:55:01 this is at best a diy art project 20:56:08 you know how loud those tiny fans get? 🤣 20:56:18 I'm keeping my eye on quai, we'll see how mainnet launch goes, but for now I'm mining monero 20:58:00 Private tx's are an absolute necessity... so is the ability for smart contracts for a p2p economy. DeFi would be cool, but not as important in my opinion. The need for DeFi sprung out of all these shitcoins in Eth 20:58:14 Private tx's are an absolute necessity... so is are smart contracts for a p2p economy. DeFi would be cool, but not as important in my opinion. The need for DeFi sprung out of all these shitcoins in Eth 20:59:21 what are smart contracts really useful for? all eth stuff seems to facilitate more eth stuff in a circular reference kind of way 20:59:57 i need one defi project 20:59:58 Serai, my beloved 21:00:36 Well... I guess 1 DeFi project for a stable coin... backed by a commodity would be needed, but if there's only 1... I guess the layer 1 could define the exchange protocol for that. 21:00:52 Serai? 21:01:12 https://serai.exchange 21:01:21 ahh lol 21:01:30 quite possibly the most important project for moneros future 21:01:53 Wait... how is it a Dex without smart contracts on monero? 21:01:58 😕 21:02:09 it works a bit like thorchain 21:02:18 you have a massive, 150 nodes multisig 21:02:26 ahh 21:02:45 Are they the only DEX? 21:02:53 with monero 21:03:06 serai will be the only cross-chain AMM with monero support yes 21:03:16 get on basicswap 21:03:19 there is also haveno dex but it serves a different purpose 21:03:22 oh yeah that as well 21:03:37 I always avoid saying "only" in this space lol 21:03:53 it is the only one though 21:04:02 "Will be the only" ?? 21:04:04 I've been waiting for one for like +3 years 21:04:12 lol got it 21:04:14 yeah will be 21:04:24 Are they protecting their IP or something? 21:04:38 why? 21:04:49 or is it.. lack of VC's all over again? 21:04:55 serai is actively being developed 21:05:25 I guess I don't understand how it will be the only if everything is open source 21:05:48 well there is economic stuff 21:05:59 thorchain is also open source and there has only been one fork 21:06:22 and that was mainly because thorchain cant scale like serai can 21:06:27 only one currently planned* 21:06:38 literally everyone else backed out 21:06:48 got it okay 21:06:53 thorchain, chainflip, maya 21:08:54 https://youtu.be/BBLHfSZU_OI 21:16:09 Holy offtopic batman 21:16:54 Oh my bad 21:17:08 🙏 21:19:44 no? 21:19:59 S'ok. Just this room is supposed to be monero workgroup related stuffs. #monero #monero-offtopic etc for more loose discussions 21:20:15 right but nobody uses #monero 21:20:21 :P 21:21:01 yeah, probably should have gone to offtopic 21:21:35 Ikr :D (nobody uses #monero) lol. Offtopic used to be boomin tho, not sure about now 21:22:34 This was my bad. 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