01:26:20 /u/XMR2020 RIP. Was wondering where he had been couple days ago. 01:30:13 This is a pretty old image 01:31:18 Not sure if they have been active since 08:02:47 Hi 08:04:08 I have a doubt that should never arise, but I am curious to know the answer: 08:04:08 Let's say I make a normal payment to an address, so the payment ends up in a stealth address, for example: 1661f32375b2a455dd2e8fa469ce2a042edeab0d2789f6324f3830d13c1f869c (picked up randomly from an explorer) and he spends the output, so nodes keep track of the keyimage to avoid double spending. 08:04:10 Now, I manually craft a transaction to end up paying to the same stealth address, when he tries to spend it will be the same keyimage. So in this case nodes will reject the tx since they will think he's trying to double spend. So my question is, if I manually craft a transaction to reuse a stealth address, he would see the funds but they would be unspendable right? 08:53:34 IIRC the wallet will not show it, or it will choose only the bigger of two inputs with the same stealth address 09:27:13 thanks 11:33:50 xmrscott: still no spam bro 11:59:11 https://x.com/Real__Glitch/status/1816074548212588886 11:59:12 i smell money 11:59:14 GIF:black-joe 12:08:09 Im back🚩 12:08:37 Didnt know they let scammers here nowadays, lol 12:13:11 I see what you're trying to do 12:13:12 Can i jump on your boat for some quick cash? 12:13:43 i dont own anything lol 12:13:44 be my guest 12:14:09 Aside from that 12:14:10 ofrnxmr[m]: your there mate? 12:14:35 Of course im here. Not on matrix tho 12:14:42 thats not his active account iirc 12:14:42 he should be banned from matrix 12:18:29 Bro 12:18:30 I fuked myself fighting for three days full time on this server to defend your proposal 12:18:32 Because you said your gonna fix the monero community and manage the Embezzlement of funds and that guy named luigi's corruption and tyranny 12:20:49 After a month or two, you made part two, now you promised to give us an easy to install/use functioning dex by modifying the Basicswap 12:20:50 Then again we came here to fuk with everyone especially that m... Rottenwheel and his minions 12:20:52 Again, months passed, nothing happened and all you did was trolling over the internet 12:21:10 worker demanding his pay from his master 12:23:34 How fuck did you expect people to pay 500k upfront 12:23:34 When you can't keep your promise? 12:24:14 "Again, months passed, nothing happened and all you did was trolling over the internet" you blame me for nothing happening? 12:24:28 Luigi closed 1 proposal and hasnt merged the second 12:25:36 "I fuked myself fighting for three days full time on this server to defend your proposal"<< i'm not sure if i recognize your handle, but thank you. 12:27:21 "How fuck did you expect people to pay 500k upfront" there was no 500k upfront payment and still isnt 12:28:18 I mean its obvious that no one trusts you and particle devs, because of how slow they are, if you guys were really genuine about basic swap, considering how big the project scope was 12:28:18 You guys could have started working on for a month or two to show your sincerity, and pushing up the project itself 12:28:20 I mean if you look at the technovert guys activity on github 12:28:22 That guy commits a single line every two months or so 12:29:13 Particle devs have been working on this project for at leasst 5 years 12:29:14 Compare it to alternatives like haveno(solo dev) 12:29:16 Serai, which founder is simultaneously working on monero, some cuprate? And serai itself 12:29:20 afai as I was told 12:29:37 afait* 12:30:31 "Because you said your gonna fix the monero community and manage the Embezzlement of funds and that guy named luigi's corruption and tyranny?" Luigi1111 closed the proposal and told diego to open one. Now diego and monerobull are hired to assist him. Lol 🫠 12:30:36 Waay to slow 12:30:47 "You guys could have started working on for a month or two to show your sincerity, and pushing up the project itself" look back to february 12:31:35 hello i am here for the community and website 12:31:40 plowsof is responsible for the ccs 12:31:42 There is no way you can take 500k upfront with that kind of workflow 12:31:46 "That guy commits a single line every two months or so" tech did over 50 commits in a couple weeks working w me 12:31:49 (i dont know what you guys are discussing) 12:31:53 Your saying that same line since febrruary 12:32:14 Is he the one who manages ccs merges? 12:32:26 no, luigi is 12:33:15 "There is no way you can take 500k upfront with that kind of workflow" < there is no, and never was anything close to a 500k upfront payment 12:33:38 plowsof is the CCS coordinator and Luigi represent core decision (as he is the only remaining member), in most of the case luigi agrees with plowsof but he can disagree and close a merge if he estimate it isn't beneficial 12:33:50 no ^ 12:33:57 Luigi does whatever he wants 12:34:10 But the thing is, I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people waiting for proposals to get accepted, why are they holding it back? 12:34:10 They can ignore it without donating it if they dont like 12:34:12 How is this a community driven ecosystem 12:34:52 Meetings is the community part as plowsof collect other opinions, concerns and arguments in favor or against a proposal 12:34:56 then he decide 12:34:58 then luigi decide 12:35:02 what if its beneficial but luigi think its not? 12:35:05 and those votes and opinions go ignored 12:35:37 Im pretty sure most of the community were against diego as well 12:35:38 Ofrns proposal has way more likes 12:35:55 Depends on the proposal, if the proposal is likely to be funded by the general fund but is not beneficial, it will close it. If he isn't intending to use GF for that, he is more flexible at letting it open. This is what I understand 12:35:59 they didnt even vote for diego lol 12:36:09 both of my proposals had more likes and a better ratio 12:36:35 Did ofrn asked for GF fund? 12:36:41 The generalfund doesnt get used for 99.9% of proposals 12:36:59 of course i expected 0xmr from generalfund 12:37:33 Theyve donated to fcmp and bp++ and almost nothing else for years 12:37:38 GF shall only ever fund direct monero-improving development 12:37:48 Not true 12:38:06 They funded diego for yrs :) 12:38:06 fcmp and bp++ are perfect examples of what they should fund imo 12:38:25 I talked about why the fuck binary fate is not giving us an update on GF 12:38:26 Monerobull attacked and said no those are strategic reserves for nuclear war ahead of us and binary fate will know when to use it by himslef 12:38:55 Bf repays his credit card bill with gf 12:38:56 i said dont fund crap with it 12:39:07 Like missing funds right? Those did improve monero greatly 12:39:44 by the way where is BF right now? 12:39:46 we should remoev GF address till that guy reappear or replace it with new wallet address 12:39:50 by the way where is BF right now? 12:39:50 we should remove GF address till that guy reappear or replace it with new wallet address 12:39:52 we get transparency reports whenever bf has time 12:40:25 So you trust nobody which we have no info of him for a year than open source projects which we can escrow it? 12:40:52 we dont want any kind of clean design to occupy his time 12:40:52 just SS history 12:42:14 https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/998 12:42:21 And what amazes me is people like monerobul 12:42:22 I know you hate ofrn but why are you against transparency? 12:42:24 Ofc in case you are not related to BF... 12:43:18 i am not against transparency, you are twisting my words 12:43:35 Yes I'll prepare one and publish soon. 12:43:36 BF, apr 27 12:44:24 Last one was march 2023 12:44:33 There should be some screenshots when people were complaining about GF and BF(not ofrn situation) 12:44:34 And you jumped it to defend him by bringing up strategic reserves and stuff like that 12:45:29 I mean FCMP ++ does secure us against quantum attacks to some extent right? 12:45:30 How much did GF donate to that? 12:45:39 666xmr iirc 12:45:52 But gf took in like 10000xmr this yr 12:48:29 People did donate huge amounts because of kayabas advertisements for FCMP, they took the money and waited until those people again gave away their last remaining moneros 12:48:30 After that GF filled up the remaining amount 12:48:32 People donated because they were really excited and worried about the project, they didn't expect this kind of shenanigans 12:48:49 Ohh, youre py_verse 12:49:16 i legit dont get what you are talking about 12:49:26 GF should be transparent and also fund ultra important stuff like FCMPs but nothing else 12:49:27 I recognize you now. (on irc i only see your handle, not your name) 12:49:57 Im remember someone sent the ss in this room few months ago when we were fighting for ofrn proposal 12:49:59 funding regular dev work should be done through the ccs, not with our only reserves 12:50:00 "fund ultra important stuff like FCMPs but nothing else" << so theyre just supposed to hoard 10k xmr? 12:50:15 yes. 12:50:20 a million is nothing 12:50:32 thorchain has a reserve of like 450 million 12:50:50 Did gf donate to havenodex? 12:50:52 A million that was in like 2 weeks 12:51:04 i hope not? 12:51:22 i dont remember if haveno had GF donations 12:51:22 I can see some patterns here 12:51:45 ? 12:51:49 Gf was going to buy monero.com 💀 12:52:02 And even offered to refund the $ 12:52:43 I'm not paying gf should pay for random ccs or even fund dev ccs. But gf didnt even fund devs during the hack 12:52:54 Devs were left out to dry for 4 months 12:53:07 Monerobul, rotten, that synthesize or something cat pic profile and some trolls 12:53:08 Were blocking your proposal and force rushed the haveno so they could justify blocking your proposal forever, thats why haveno rushed its V1 release full of bugs 12:53:26 what 12:53:36 haveno didnt even have a ccs for the backen 12:53:38 haveno didnt even have a ccs for the backend 12:53:41 lol i remember that 12:53:43 only the erc scam frontend 12:53:50 They technically did @mb 12:54:13 They called it a frontend ccs, but mentioned funding backend dev 12:55:13 "For this rate we will get 2 experienced frontend developers and a lead dev dedicated to Haveno" 12:56:57 Sadly they won in the end... 12:56:58 Haveno is def not the dex that's designed for mass adoption 12:57:00 Hard to install and work with, not decentralized at all, bug spree release 12:57:02 We said lets fund basicswap(they did promise to deliver one click install gui for it) 12:57:04 Opposition = no fuk monero, anything related to people i dont personally like is bad 12:57:06 "Community Driven" 12:57:23 haveno is a lot easier to use than bsx and i say that as a big bsx fan 12:57:42 and it is decentralized and hopefully will decentralize a lot more in the future 12:57:55 Easy to use 12:57:56 Says the technical gui 12:58:06 the what 12:58:27 "and it is decentralized and hopefully will decentralize a lot more in the future" << no it isnt more decentralized 12:58:32 Even if it's shit, bear with it, as long as its not ofrn or people we dont like 12:58:36 It relies on arbitrators and seed nodes 12:58:36 > <@monerobull:matrix.org> haveno is a lot easier to use than bsx and i say that as a big bsx fan 12:58:38 Easy to use 12:58:40 Says the technical guy 12:58:45 having tried both, haveno is way easier to use and less buggy 12:58:49 Haveno is not decentralised lol 12:59:03 I want bsx to work, and there's plenty time for it to improve, but dont be silly 12:59:11 "having tried both, haveno is way easier to use and less buggy" haveno does have better ux and is less buggy. Agreed 12:59:28 Because they are blocking the fuking development of basicswap by force 12:59:36 haha 12:59:39 bsx has its own dev fee chain 12:59:50 it doesnt live or die with monero supporting it 12:59:54 Using GF for haveno 12:59:54 Not letting the community itself help basicswap or any other option 12:59:56 Ofc haveno will be better than alpha project 13:00:09 "bsx has its own dev fee chain" No it doesnt 13:00:16 haveno is specific to fiat -> xmr onramps, not the case with basicswap 13:00:18 Haveno is for profit, bsx is not 13:00:21 I dont think someone prejudiced like you is a fitting person to be a mod 13:00:28 haveno is specific to fiat -> xmr onramps, not the case with basicswap . different tools for different goals 13:00:33 Particl has a dev fee, not bsx 13:01:54 Monero is not going anywhere with sanctioning itself from the rest of the world 13:01:56 In basic swap situation, monero can easily attract liquidity from other blockchains 13:02:14 ad hominem 13:02:17 yea crypto -> xmr onramps are vital too, for sure 13:02:30 but serai will be better for that 13:02:53 MB talks about haveno will be good someday 13:02:54 serai is profit driven and uses wrapped xmr 13:02:54 Ok, but bring us two senior devs who are ready to work full time on it for a year with the same rate and we will fund them 13:02:59 bsx still has a usecase but what exactly are we discussing here? ive seen the number 500k 13:03:13 what math are yall using 13:03:14 Anything as long its not related to someone you dont like 13:03:16 no, haveno is usable right now 13:03:18 500k? Lol 13:03:29 the fuck are you talking about 13:03:50 ive pushed hard for BSX to hold talks at monerokon 23 and 24 13:04:23 Serai has its own problems and its not a battle tested project 13:04:36 serai os a new blockchain 💀 13:04:36 I hope they make it fine, but its little far from that yet 13:04:48 im not driven by emotions most of the time 13:04:57 i want whats best for monero 13:05:09 You were anti basicswap in both proposal wars who are you tricking? 13:05:41 what basicswap proposal 13:05:44 Maybe say few words against BF? Ofc if you're allowed... 13:06:12 mb didnt vote against basicswap 13:06:12 Ofrnxmr proposal 13:06:32 i believe i gave it an upvote, just didnt comment 13:06:35 I think mb thumbed up both proposals, maybe youre confusing mb with someone else 13:06:50 He did in matrix when you were banned 13:06:52 what 13:09:21 I remember clearly, it was me and someone else against mb, rottenwheel, syntheticbird which was trying starting to engage more on the cuprate at that time and make a proposal? And a few other trolls 13:09:22 They all did make a proposal after bashing ofrnr away and got funded 13:09:24 Hate this mindset of "ow im going to ask for funds, lets downplay anyone in this specific period so people can fund mine too" 13:10:19 rottenwheel has had like 4 funded fundraisers in the last 3 months 13:10:25 And kayaba asked for a huge amount too 13:10:26 So it was so severe lol 13:11:17 my proposal was not planned at all, it's all geonics fault 🤣 13:12:36 mb upvoted my first ccs. I think you might be confusing mb with endor? 13:13:30 The worst part is, they are so small both role wise and project impact 13:13:30 Like 10-20xmr right? I will fund you myself, why are you blocking the big ones? 13:13:50 Endor railed me for a cpl hrs calling me an exit scammer and didnt do anything to ban the "keepofrnbanned" spammers from polluting the room 13:14:01 Nah the synthetic guy is friendly too now:) 13:14:02 You have way more trust in them 13:14:31 Synthetic was friendly _before_ my bans too. Idk what happened with him 13:14:47 Went sour on me when i wasnt looking 13:15:56 I'm gonna make some adjustments to both proposals and see what happens next 13:16:38 just wanted to note that monerobul being a mod and getting funded wasnt in the plan at all 13:16:38 geonic appeared from nowhere to oppose diego and shoved in monerobul by making a ccs for monerobul himself 13:16:40 people did vote for monerobul to oppose diego, in the end they both got funded with some unknown responsibilities and roles 13:16:42 and strangely, geonic Dissapeard after monerobulls position solidified and he is okay with diego now? 13:16:44 just wanted to note this 13:16:46 just wanted to note that monerobul being a mod and getting funded wasnt in the plan at all 13:16:48 geonic appeared from nowhere to oppose diego and shoved in monerobul by making a ccs for monerobul himself 13:16:50