00:38:10 hi need help please 01:47:51 I might be hilariously out of touch with this but in case it isn't said: Seth it out. He's sold out. He's no cryptopunk 01:50:44 if you think otherwise, make your case. He's been pushing the fabric between the values he knows and his own profits for a long time. I honestly don't know anyone who doesn't think he's a total sellout nowadays 01:53:11 that sweet spot between "I love monero!" and bitcoin "#blessed" 01:53:12 if you can understand monero than tell me how he's not a scammer 02:53:13 Seth will convert more people to Monero than anyone in Monero only content silos on social media platforms 02:55:02 If he just says Monero only, no one who needs to see his posts will see any of his posts. 02:55:12 If you don’t understand that, then your brain is too small 03:01:56 https://x.com/sethforprivacy/status/1816267117592993811 03:12:25 <321bob321:monero.social> Banned word btw 03:12:28 <321bob321:monero.social> S*th 03:32:47 ironically, Seth has been looping back around to Monero after being disillusioned with how terrible lightning is, how bad Bitcoin privacy is, and how horrendous the BTC community is intellectually 04:18:29 ban 04:19:17 S*th is a banned word /s 04:20:21 "I honestly don't know anyone who doesn't think he's a total sellout nowadays" anyone who understands monero's shortfalls 04:25:06 "if you think otherwise, make your case." The day i lose sleep over how what another man does in his own time, ill be sure to go tell my story in #monero-beyondmeat 04:31:47 ofrnxmr: what are in your opinion understands monero's shortfalls? 04:40:56 <321bob321:monero.social> I think sith lord gave up after whirlpool got nuked by the gov 04:42:55 I need someone to update themonero.dance for xmr 04:47:37 my smol brain sees bullshit when I see's it. He's trying hard to be two things and take advantage both ways without committal to anything while appearing "graceful" but he isn't and he's milking people with his affiliations and those of his sponsors. Maybe it's a coincidence. But what do I know? I have a very smol brain 04:51:46 "what are in your opinion understands monero's shortfalls?" Its not nearly as private or scalable as monero gospel preachers would like to believe 04:52:32 He did a really good job of chasing down the problems with lighting privacy. When money doesn't get in the way this guy has talent 04:52:54 And it often spends more time kicking tires than solving problems 04:54:56 "He's trying hard to be two things and take advantage both ways without committal to anything while appearing "graceful" but he isn't and he's milking people with his affiliations and those of his sponsors" milking who 04:55:09 What does he sell to monero? 04:55:28 has he mentioned proton lately? yes. That's just one of the many 04:55:39 Meanwhile, here in monero, we fund oscar hopefuls 04:56:29 "has he mentioned proton lately? yes. That's just one of the many" whats your point? That he's not allowed to use proton? 04:57:02 it's pathetic. and it's actually what I hope I might be able to contribute (humbly) towards. All the pieces are here but it's such a complex project that no one knows everything. Much like when I do so when I work on a satellite or a missile. 04:57:17 "hope" < actions, dancer 04:57:51 I'm not without actions. I've been doing things. I appreciate the goading :) 04:57:56 You want to be an influencer, but youre just hating on a guy who speaks his mind on his twitter 04:58:22 systems engineers are influencers now 04:58:23 And wanting to be an influencer is sad 04:58:48 No. Systems engineers are systems engineers 04:59:05 That's what I do 04:59:12 Having a blog doesnt make you an influencer 04:59:33 Youre mad that seth has a twitter 04:59:43 "shutup and shill my monero!" 04:59:46 goddamnit I"m not an influencer I only have a twitter with barely anyone followers 04:59:59 You WANT to be an influencer 05:00:24 lightning is the best protocol ever envisioned 05:00:27 And youre salty that your idol doesnt do a better job of shilling monero. Its weak 05:00:29 don't @me 05:00:40 I've taken great steps to not be an influencer. I post crazy things just to see who sticks around lol 05:01:30 Youre focused on s*th. Find a better hobby 05:02:27 when something captures my focus, it does. then it passes. I haven't mentioned seth in probably almost a year 05:02:29 I'm not defending him, im saying youre like 2yrs late to the "fk s*th" party 05:02:51 Its disgruntled fanboyism at best 05:03:20 I was on his team 2 years ago. I gave him a chance. I don't understand "fanboyism" 05:03:30 Find a new influencer to idolize and be disappointed with 05:04:00 "I was on his team 2 years ago. I gave him a chance. I don't understand "fanboyism"" << contradicted yourself all in one message 05:04:13 I said my peace already. I said it everywhere. It's the past now 05:04:50 "i was on his team" << llol. "i gave him a chance" lmao "i dont understand fanboyism" you literally just explained that you were bandwagoning 05:05:02 it's up to future generations to interpret now 05:05:24 Bruh. Monero is only a decade old 05:05:30 https://sethforprivacy.com/posts/why-i-focus-on-bitcoin/ "I said my peace already. I said it everywhere. It's the past now" him too, now take this drivel elsewhere 05:06:13 in the whirlwinds of crypto markets, it's easy to lose focus on the fact that we're changing the world here 05:06:45 luigi1111 lightning is a shitcoin @luigi. 05:06:49 yeah, then for some reason we start talking about what seth had for breakfast 05:06:54 wohh price went up and down, i forgot im changing the world here 05:07:00 insightful 05:07:30 +100 plowsof 05:07:52 Lol. 05:08:12 precisely 05:08:15 <321bob321:monero.social> Ban 05:08:28 This isnt even market talk, this is barely passable for #monero-beef. Thats y i said #monero-beyondmeat 05:09:10 Can take up your grievances with seth's personal choices on the twit 05:09:40 I think the reason everyone has banned you is bc you're such a banterer. this is a 3 line convo extended by your efforts 05:10:19 bruh is trying to restart the ban convo 05:10:27 Go touch grass 05:10:37 >dMartian has left the chat 05:10:41 Ty 05:11:43 "if you think otherwise, make your case. " << complains when someone responds. Some ppl.. smh 06:54:49 hey everyone, i've been using monero to proxy between different chains and cexs -- just for privacy. but seems i'm always timing moves with red candles 😅 a lot of times i'll move say eth or randocoin into monero through some bridge like simpleswap then "churn" to a different account, then send to a cex, then sell there and offramp -- and that can take a few hours between all 06:54:50 the confirmations. 06:54:52 i've started to hold xmr long term, to try and time the buys and sells to the market, but i'm wondering if there are better ways 06:54:54 any tips here? better bridges or different approaches? 06:57:08 oops, sorry wrong channel - didn't see the "workgroup" in my sidebar. i'll repost in support 07:09:12 this ofrnxmr guy 07:09:14 at the very least, read his message first ffs 07:22:16 first of all, seth represent himself as a "Privacy guy", he was full time bitcoin whistle blower, but after bitcoin lost its every single privacy and became useless he came to suck up to monero because he just ran out of "Privacy related subject" to talk about, i know a lot of people came to monero through seth after they understood the importance of privacy + shortcomings of bitc 07:22:16 oin in that regard + core devs has no plans to fix it 07:22:18 but what if you could achieve a half decent half assed privacy on bitcoin? wont he reverse this flow? if you think logically, he or anyone that cares about privacy should know that bitcoin wont give you privacy and there is no hope for it so he should focus more on other projects such as monero,zano etc.. 07:22:20 but despite all of these he is so fixed on bitcoin and finding a toy to play with it on its blockchain(is it bep 200 or something these days?), as bitcoin cash guys said: bitcoin folks motive is to waste time until CBDC gets ready 07:22:22 but yes its his free time he can do whatever he likes, the real problem is some core people from real privacy projects give him too much credit 07:24:11 i dont care if you want to suck up to him or not but, seth is just a guy who wants to play around with new toys on bitcoin, he doesnt give a single fuck about freedom nor privacy or any other right-wing movement 07:25:47 that guy said the same thing, that we shouldn't forget our way which is maximum privacy, most of the people here are not "monero guy" but "privacy guy" if you have better option tell us now well switch right away(there are non to my knowledge) 07:28:57 The funny thing is, he came to monerocon to talk about bitcoin privacy😂 07:29:40 And why we need more privacy tools on bitcoin 07:29:42 Just use monero bro 07:30:07 simpleswap can freeze your coins. consider swapping through https://haveno-reto.com 07:31:57 he works for a bitcoin hardware wallet manufacturer now, not surprising 07:34:52 Btw pressuring new people to doxx themselves should be a punishable act imo 07:34:54 I dont care if its just trolling or not but dont make it personal 07:35:29 as i told, he is a bitcoin guy not privacy 07:37:28 Disagree 07:37:51 Only recently went btc and he’s coming back. Been privacy guy for years upon years 07:38:40 bitcoin privacy is a totally lost cause 07:38:59 they had samourai until they didn't 07:39:34 it was their last remaining bit of real cypherpunk privacy 07:40:37 Are you the admin on r/monero? 07:40:56 Wasn’t the Whirlpool backend open source? No one can just throw up new coordinators? 07:40:57 i am one of the mods yeah, im guessing you need a post approved? 07:41:13 nobody want's to run one 07:41:25 and the ones that do have no visibility 07:41:46 Yes that but also if you can confirm our reddit account for shadowex is the legitimate one (have posted a link to it on our contact page) 07:42:29 Last account got instant banned because we accessed reddit on Tor. Why does reddit have a tor link but if you use it your account gets suspended. 07:42:50 The charges against tdev and the other guy are **conspiracy** to laundry. The charges are due to their social network posts and crap. They were bragging about help North Korea & shit. That’s why they got indicted. 07:42:52 Long story short, running that coordinator is not a crime. People shouldn’t be afraid to run one. 07:43:02 ^ 07:43:05 haha thats my problem as well 07:43:59 i dont have a the required bandwith and storage and time 07:44:00 what should i do? 07:44:04 i dont have the required bandwith and storage and time 07:44:04 what should i do? 07:44:20 the docs also said they laundered every single dollar that went through it 07:45:18 Well the only evidence of that will be their own stupid ass statements 07:45:30 It’s really like they wanted to be indicted or something 07:46:10 WHY YOU DONT USE MONERO INSTEAD??? 07:46:10 this is such a mental gymnastic for seth fanboys, why you cant use monero? 07:48:19 Who is “you”? 07:48:52 anyone who is interested in bitcoin privacy tools 07:49:12 Seth is king Monero recruiter. The statements about him are incredibly inaccurate. 07:49:59 you say to check your website yet your website has a different reddit account on it than the one you are submitting with lol 07:50:15 king monero? who was that again? 07:50:25 check again in 5 mins, clearing cache 07:50:37 ShadowEXofficial is the new one. 07:51:03 you see it on the contact page? you must of got a message from a different account that reddit banned after I made one post because we were on Tor. 07:51:36 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/okDqVSKQZFVxyoLxmdktEKQH 07:51:44 or is that the banned one 07:52:29 thats the banned one. 07:52:48 ill repost it 5 mins. 07:56:40 is mymonero gone for real`? 07:56:43 is mymonero gone for real? 07:57:05 Didnt know that we have a King 07:57:06 Maybe that's why the monero church project got blocked 07:59:09 Our exchange when we started earlier this year were based in Germany, we had to shut down for a month and half and came back online this week because of legal issues, but since then registered it to another jurisdiction in which we have no obligation to collect any information and operate as we were. We received an order to meet reporting standards or to shutdown back in May, so w e just shutdown and relocated so we would be legally allowed to operate as we were before without bending to the will of those who want to destroy privacy. the fact 'suspicious' addresses that exchanges are suppose to flag is completely stupid, and only exists limit the spread of Crypto use, every single transaction on a public blockchain will always have been linked to what they call 'suspicious' addresses if you go back far enough 09:31:57 apply for https://kycnot.me/ list 09:35:28 https://x.com/ProtonWallet/status/1816108710386647344 09:37:22 already done from months ago, contacted him again few days ago after relaunch and he should be finally doing it. 09:38:05 sadly monero is just a shitcoin in the eyes of the super privacy focused proton foundation 09:38:26 They accept it as payment 09:41:53 no they dont 09:43:15 Maybe im imagining haha, I swear I paid with monero for proton vpn, or must of been another vpn 09:43:46 ivpn or mullvad 09:44:24 proton has been actively ignoring monero for 7.5 years eventhough its one of the top voted proposals on their "the voice of proton community" forum 09:44:36 ivpn I think 09:45:10 its because they are 'privacy' focused as a marketing strategy, they do not really care about it 09:47:16 Proton must be private because they hold their customers private keys 09:50:17 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/IwFlqVShQQDcGMyEEMGCRKCr 09:50:21 lmao they removed lightning and coinjoin 09:51:30 ofrn jinxed it lol 09:51:52 yea, personally the lack of monero payments is a deal breaker for vpns, for me 09:53:54 https://vigilante.tv/w/f9t487fgh9HtKVKHH1rdjt 09:54:04 11:50 Proton Mail 09:54:33 IVPN takes XMR directly and sponsors monerokon every year. 09:58:19 i didnt try ivpn, but mullvad fits my vpn criterias 09:58:28 i didnt try ivpn, but mullvad fits my vpn criterias too 09:58:40 Anytime an alleged criminal has used the protonmail service the feds subpoena them and the crook gets arrested 09:59:01 most of them are not criminal 09:59:23 bro, literally any public, centralised, and for-profit company can be forced to comply to whatever the law enforcement demands 09:59:35 proton is no different 09:59:57 the question is only, did the user remain anonymous while using the service or not 10:00:08 thats the problem 10:00:10 they could have arrested trump's shooter if they wanted, he had his finger prints all over the place 10:00:11 No logging(tm) 10:00:12 but as long as you want to use privacy tools simply for your personal privacy, they knock your door 10:00:14 if not, then LE will get them next 10:00:21 Yeah of course this is what happens when you leave the encryption to a third party 10:01:49 Some people walk into a casino, believing that they could win 10:01:51 it's all a matter of implementing proper opsec, depending on the use of internet one wishes to have https://blog.nihilism.network/servers/opsec4levels/index.html 10:02:18 thats why if your centralized, you should log least amount of data 10:02:20 like in mullvad you can buy subscription with monero without any kind of sign up req and using tor address of the website at that while keeping the service open source 10:03:08 Yes Mullvad is a great example of how to implement privacy and security in a centralised environment 10:03:39 as a company there are a few things they can do if they truly care about their users' privacy (no logs / and allow anonymous traffic) 10:03:40 but that's not the point here, the point is, as a user, what are you doing to protect yourself from repercussions 10:04:33 if you use a service with your gmail account, and actually mention you live somewhere, and without keeping tor between you and the service, that service cannot be used anonymously, period 10:05:40 Being completely anonymous online is next to impossible 10:05:55 i know but ease of use matters too 10:05:56 i want most amount of privacy with least amount of labor req for maintaining/learning and doing it 10:05:58 im okay with paying money as long as they accept something like monero that doesnt blow up my opsec 10:06:19 If an adversary has enough money time resources skill ect they’ll find you eventually 10:07:21 every one has different char based on these two factors but in the end, the service that give users most of these two is the winner 10:07:24 it is definitely possible, if you implement the proper technology and behavior https://blog.nihilism.network/servers/opsec/index.html, with proper internet use segmentation https://blog.nihilism.network/servers/internetsegmentation/index.html 10:07:26 quit having this defeatist attitude, it doesnt lead anywhere 10:08:10 thats why we need to normalize it so it gets harder and more expensive to pinpoint people among the crowd 10:08:42 just like how tor use it(i know tor is not fully private) 10:09:20 anonymity in general is a much stricter practice than that of privacy, and opsec-wise it is more demanding, but no it's not impossible 10:09:53 either way im going to wait for protons response, if they promises to implement monero payments its fine but if not, i guess im gonna switch to tuta for now 10:14:29 https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/ 10:14:30 stackoverflow 2024 survey results are out 11:38:33 They ignored 6year old vote and recclently tweeted "not interested in shitcoins" 11:38:56 "either way im going to wait for protons response, if they promises to implement monero payments its fine" so.. dont hold your breath 11:40:00 "WHY YOU DONT USE MONERO INSTEAD???" Monero isnt some sort on panacea 11:40:52 Sure "use money" is better than most other solutions, but its far from fool proof 11:41:05 "Use monero*" 11:44:07 they already responded 11:45:09 they said monero is le scary crime coin aka the same argument the feds made when trying to ban regular citizens from using encryption aka the very thing their entire product is built on 11:45:10 their twitter account also follows a bunch of btc maxis lol 11:45:20 ^ right 11:46:51 Proxy store is the only "official" way to send them xmr for anything, and they also block signupsbover their onion unless you feed them another existing email addr 11:50:11 turns out it was never about privacy 12:25:48 Proton is known for closing accounts when requested by feds. check video above 12:26:50 monerobull, I read your reddit post 12:27:12 yes? 12:27:50 I don't think there is a vulnerability, tx fees should go higher in that case right ? 12:29:21 no 12:29:28 they should actually go down 12:29:31 and they did 12:29:55 your wallet should automatically select a higher fee level but that was bugged 12:30:34 I mean if miners are constant and there's a lot of tx to be mined, tx fees should compete for higher right ? 12:31:05 I mean I read the post in reddit but can't get the technical issue in there 12:31:07 people need to shift the blame target from the company, to their own opsec, that's something i don't see often enough 12:31:09 anyone can help me out 12:31:32 https://localmonero.co/knowledge/dynamic-block-size?language=en 12:32:25 Proton is suspicious in itself, since they suggest false privacy 12:32:53 by creating and posessing the private key 12:33:37 yea serverside encryption is phallacy 12:33:57 you can not access the mail service via imap or pop3 12:35:52 thnks 12:38:12 it is also very strange that discord is bein used for communication in the crypto space although it is proven spyware: https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/discord 12:44:43 there were already great improvements in communication e.g. bitmessage https://wiki.bitmessage.org/ 13:03:17