05:10:26 I can't imagine. A 0% markup. 05:42:29 it's true 09:23:14 You can get cashback with other services 09:24:10 I have a provider giving me 3% on visa cards I buy 09:50:10 For xmr? 09:50:45 the automated swap broker (ASB) for COMIT atomic swaps is selling monero. the monero has the x% markup, right 09:53:09 yes 09:53:18 i see value in the proposed ASB automation changes (also because the few big swappers complained about needing that) because at the moment is set and forget / manual restart (rates for example) 09:54:22 For who? Bitcoiners? 09:54:24 samourai was the best atomic swaps client we ever had 09:54:31 You cant post monero liquidity 09:55:18 am i missing something? the ASB sells monero? 09:55:34 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/477#note_25561 contains a recent update (Maker GUI + ASB automation) , i see no value in the maker gui or don't believe the reasons provided for its need / what it would accomplish 09:55:57 the asb are dumping montero for dirty btc so have to charge a markup to account for all the whirlpooling 09:56:24 the whirlpooling isnt autmated so they cant make as much money / or their competitor has it set up and theyre sad 09:56:30 I saw the updates, but i if makers are btc-only, i dont see why that would benefit monerl 09:56:49 Its a tool for btc holders to sell btc 09:57:04 if i was a big swapper i would be funding it privately , long time ago if i was pushing 6k~xmr out the door 09:57:35 so its valuable improvements for the big ASB's 09:57:45 maker gui for weekend warriors who leave their laptop on, nope 09:57:59 maker gui is for _btc whales_ 09:58:02 maker is monero only 09:58:13 ? 09:58:17 Taker is monero 09:58:23 What am i missing here 09:58:31 no? 09:58:43 ofrn you work on basicswapdex 09:58:51 how tf dont you know the one major limitation of btc xmr atomic swaps 09:58:54 And? 09:59:10 the limitation is that you can only post btc 09:59:15 the major limitation of COMIT swaps 09:59:20 = btc is the maker 09:59:34 no bitcoin is always taker 09:59:37 Xmr is the taker 09:59:44 What?? 10:00:11 wat 10:00:14 Do you have taker and maker mixed up 10:00:16 now im confused 10:00:32 no xmr is maker 10:00:44 ASB has monero in a wallet. they 'take' the btc or they have 'maker'd the offer to sell monero for btc ? lol 10:00:47 Maker is the side who posts the offer 10:00:48 Taker ks the side that takes from maker 10:00:51 they are the ones you go to to swap your btc 10:01:24 Its the opposite. Because I say so! 10:01:47 Makers are the ones who have offers on the books 10:02:14 the btc side goes first and the btc side if the side that posts the offers 10:02:17 Is* 10:02:55 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/ZaCKALvQTaQhoAbaEsMWiric 10:02:59 you can. maker sells btc. Taker buys btc 10:03:13 btc goes first but the ASB is still the maker 10:03:26 monerobull mentioned the maker gui in passing on a ccs comment, are you pleased about the recent update adding maker gui development? 10:03:45 the asbs offers are what the btc person can chose from 10:03:48 The ask is an auto taker 10:03:51 Asb 10:03:52 we can finally fund 7- hours a week on unstoppable swap gui for 6 months 10:03:57 70* 10:04:10 It cant post an offer binarybaron: 10:04:48 ofrn it doesnt matter if it technically is the taker, the offers are only there while the ASB is online and the ASB sets the fees. ASB is obviously the maker here 10:05:03 It cant post an "xmr for sale" offer, it can only take a matching available btc offer 10:05:44 The maker is the one who puts the offer on the book 10:05:51 The ask looks to me like basicswaps "bid" script 10:06:16 It crawls maker offers for a match 10:06:18 if the only way to get xmr is via the ASB and it auto-accepts offers fitting its settings, I'd say its still the maker 10:06:34 nah, thats a bid scriot 10:06:39 A taker script 10:07:10 ah whatever it doesnt matter, what does is that the ASB having a gui doesnt help "btc whales" but people who want to provide xmr liquidity 10:07:17 Basicswap has this already and its obviously not the maker. 10:07:18 Bsx also has a maker script 10:07:32 You cant _provide_ liquidity if you cant post offers 10:07:41 You csn only _purchase_ btc 10:08:06 Youre not providing liquidity by taking liquidity off of the book 10:08:09 signaling that you have this many monero at this fee level is definitely providing liquidity 10:08:14 Thats why its called a taker 10:08:55 Unless im missing something, youre not signing. Youre just buying what btc is available when you find a matxh 10:09:02 Signaling* 10:09:17 proof of reserves will be added to the gui to stop fake offers? 10:09:24 just proofs how much more advanced samourai gui was 10:09:27 lets up the hours and add that too 10:10:02 can we just pay someone to dig up the samourai gui code, the original maintainer isn't even in jail like the other samourai guys 10:10:05 bsx already 10:10:44 we should turn it into haveno and bsx in one 10:10:47 300 hours a week 10:10:56 I know ppl are going to shout "coi", but i only started working in bsx _because_ you csn provide xmr liquidity aka bidirectional swaps 10:13:11 other swap protocol only allow me to provide xmr liquidity. Only allows me to take liquidity of other coins 10:13:22 ok so a maker gui with proof of reserves , and maybe even a fee to list , but its permissionless /decentralised so we have to figure that out too 10:13:28 hehe it still partially works 10:13:33 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/XYHQQKnKsmoqBWVdBSYCtojU 10:13:44 and it _could_ be web based.. or android.. alot to figure out 10:13:56 "seller" all btc 10:14:05 Seller = maker 10:14:25 Can you be a seller of xmr in that list? 10:14:41 yeah but the sellers sell monero 10:14:43 yeas you can 10:14:47 via this tab 10:15:06 thats why i said bitcoin is the taker 10:15:06 I see min btc, max btc 10:15:09 Btc js the MAKER 10:15:15 in the samourai swaps you could select from the seller list and send them bitcoin 10:15:16 You have your terms backwards 10:15:21 no 10:15:37 these are the prices in btc becuasue you send btc to buy monero 10:15:48 these are the prices in btc bcs you send btc to buy monero 10:16:05 The prices are in monero.. the amoubts are in btc 10:16:08 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/hoPktwoRmJhaezIFPdeOROYb 10:16:32 because samourai are still bitcoin maxis... 10:17:10 also if you want to buy monero and only have bitcoin, the minimum amount of btc to spend is more helpful than the minimum amount of xmr to buy 10:18:07 and its also more helpful to price it in bitcoin as the seller since the biggest issue of the swap, the bitcoin fees, is easier to plan with a bitcoin minimum than a xmr minimum 10:36:56 i see i see, even though btc goes first, the offers on the book are monero offers. I stand corrected 👍 10:40:22 yeah the person with monero is always available and who btc-holders will go to for a swap 10:40:55 in the swap itself bitcoin initiates but they can only do so because the monero is made available by the ASB 10:41:44 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/vKnURSRvZECzYxWGPDGBvRhP 10:41:47 OrangeFren.com and Cake Wallet are doing a jacket giveaway 🎁 10:41:48 Link to participate: https://x.com/OrangeFren/status/1818581535341080871 10:42:44 is this a new jacket or the one that was given away at monerokon? 10:43:18 Same as at Monerokon 11:29:46 there is a new CCS which includes "adding new content and following social media (such as Reddit and Monero.town)" 11:29:51 .hmmmm 11:30:51 lol 11:40:26 <3​21bob321:monero.social> So is that to maintain website github? 11:47:46 It's to keep contributing to monero-site repo on a consistent basis 11:47:54 Hardened has a lot of prs on site 11:48:49 The reddit thing is just to that theyll keep up to date with social media reported issues 11:49:37 Adding nee content to monero-site* 11:49:38 and following social media to identify new issues and feature requests for those who do not use GitHub etc. 11:50:09 the full sentence provides proper context, niocat 11:50:48 (Its not a ccs to add content to social media and to follow social media) 11:50:59 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/481 12:00:39 site master monerobull appoves :) 12:00:57 imma just having my first cup of tea now 12:54:56 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Finger on pulse? 13:46:39 Who's doing cpr tho 18:54:22 Oh boy, here we go again... https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/482 19:19:18 To be fair the rate is relatively low 19:19:43 As far as I can see it is like $20-25/hour 19:41:07 hi guyz, I'm having an issue reported in my library when transactions behave weirdly when they are coinbase txs from p2pool, and I'm looking for someone who could 19:41:08 a) mine a p2pool share 19:41:10 b) solomine a block to my address 19:41:12 I'll refund the entire mined block, obviously - I just need the tx in my history 19:42:28 I'm mining since 2 days but still haven't found a share and I'd rather use my laptop for coding than having CPU locked at 100% and being unresponsive.. so some help here would be really welcome 19:44:08 Czarek Nakamoto: Maybe you could solo mine on testnet or stagenet. AFAIK, there is no p2pool mining on those nets, but your bug is probably with all coinbase txs. 19:46:56 most likely, but I have already a mainnet wallet with all edge cases inside, and I'd like to collect yet another one in the same place, so in future I don't have to switch between chains or even wallets to test if something is wrong, if nobody will be able to contribute some hashrate then I'll have to go with testnet - I just prefer to go with mainnet