00:18:32 Rucknium: you can change this? 00:30:26 If we have two docs sites, are they going to be mirrors, or will they hold different info? I think my question is linked to rucknium's earlier about disagreements about content. 00:31:14 It would be very confusing if they started to diverge on content/definitions. 00:31:16 <3​21bob321:monero.social> its just technical docs not blogs and ads 00:31:24 thanks Bob 00:32:03 doesn't answer the question though 00:32:49 I understand (i suppose) why it's a benefit to have docs hosted at two different places, but why not just make them mirrors? 00:33:02 Wouldn't that make most sense? 00:33:46 in my opinion just having one docs site makes most sense but, anyway, god bless decentralisation. 00:33:51 <3​21bob321:monero.social> wdym by two different places? 00:34:25 <3​21bob321:monero.social> people in bounties are thinking about making a man page 00:34:38 are all docs gonna be on getmonero.org? 00:34:49 Or getmonero.dev? 00:35:00 Or some other domain? 00:35:34 <3​21bob321:monero.social> docs.getmonero.org 00:36:03 which doesn't exist at the moment? 00:36:10 <3​21bob321:monero.social> thats an attempt to confuse people to use it 00:36:21 <3​21bob321:monero.social> not yet, wip 00:36:40 After that exists, then getmonero.dev will be deprecated? 00:36:47 <3​21bob321:monero.social> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-docs 00:37:04 <3​21bob321:monero.social> thats sgp's copyright plastered everywhere one 00:37:36 <3​21bob321:monero.social> ©️ magic grants 00:39:15 getmonero.dev is sgp's? 00:40:12 <3​21bob321:monero.social> yeah under magic grants 00:40:51 But it's just a fork of the original docs page, no? 00:41:05 It's not like there are additional license restrictions, is there? 00:42:54 Either way, all i am trying to say is that having two different docs sites that don't have the same info on them would be *extremely* confusing. 00:43:28 What if there was a third that had even better info 00:43:35 But lacking in some parts 00:43:38 define better? 00:43:53 oh right, one of those better but worse things? 00:44:06 or is it worse but better? 00:44:09 I’m not going to define better 00:44:15 or better with some butter? 00:47:39 Anyways, I think some effort should be made to ensure there isn't some sort of docs splintering/forking thing happening, as it wouldn't help matters. Most people like to drink homogonised milk. 01:02:54 Getmonero.dev is confusing, aint it? 01:03:13 It has nothing to do with getmonero.org 01:03:25 Sgp / MAGIC owns the domain 01:08:51 Theres also docs.monero.study 01:10:19 anyway, github.com/monero-project/monero-docs is the home of the new #monero-docs workgroup 01:10:30 Monero Docs 01:12:02 Getmonero.dev uses justthedocs, which doesnt work properly without javascript. We are using mkdocs in -docs 01:40:54 I said the same thning already in #monero-bounties, but it would be cool if docs could be wikibased or with comments like php.net documentation. Like for wallet rpc I had add still undocumented info to it if it had been like that, but I would not take a lot of time to make a PR everytime I see an inconsitency, error or lack of information... 01:43:49 I mean, once in a while the information from the wiki/comments could flow back into a repository, but I will sure not if I have my head full of other issues take much time to add information - and after it it is mostly lost and burried in some comments in the own public or private repositories.... (my POV, can only speak for myself, but would think that for others it is not that different) 01:52:14 <3​21bob321:monero.social> you can comment on the pr 01:52:39 <3​21bob321:monero.social> update .md and then push is that hard? 02:06:34 you can also just open an issue 02:09:47 Can leave the suggested change in an issue or even in the #monero-docs irc room. Someone else can/will pick it up. 02:40:21 500k not sustainable. im new here but from eth and the devs over there from uniswap for example only get 100k for fullstack and around 112k for solidity so smart contract 02:41:23 per year 02:58:33 you can comment on the pr, well, this is also an idea :) 03:01:56 "update .md and then push is that hard?" Honestly, I don't think so, but I never did yet, I will need to do so soon, there I will look into and probably it's almost ridicioulos what I said. But it's less a thing about hard, but about time, 1-5min I will take, everything else I would postpone and probably forget... a Promodoro unit is 20min, so you want to make each mintue count 03:03:26 "you can also just open an issue" yeah, this is probably the easiest way, although I would feel a bit an asshole to dump the work simply on somebody, maybe my thinking is wrong here, too :D 03:04:36 Heck monero-rooms are aso a rabbit hole, we could make nft's out of it :D sorry. 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Dealing with spam comments, etc. 14:14:38 https://giscus.app 14:14:50 This plugin hooks into github discussions 14:16:50 Would require a github account to comment 14:17:46 That would reduce spam and avoid forcing people to make a new account :) 14:20:22 I think its just short stepping making a github issue which can be closed /marked as completed, vs these comments that may(?) Clutter the page forever 14:21:09 while, on the plus side, it could help keep comments "organized" 14:21:52 There are a lot of things about RPC methods that probably don't belong in the concise tone of docs, but may be useful to devs. , 14:22:15 > There are a lot of things about RPC methods that probably don't belong in the concise tone of docs, but may be useful to devs. 14:22:17 could you explain further 14:26:53 "Don't use monero-wallet-rpc with a remote node." Suggestions like that. 14:26:55 Info like this: https://github.com/Rucknium/misc-research/blob/main/Monero-Effective-Ring-Size/xmr-ring-gathering.R#L159-L163 14:26:57 https://github.com/Rucknium/misc-research/blob/main/Monero-Effective-Ring-Size/xmr-ring-gathering.R#L275-L276 14:37:11 Or minor bugs: "subtract fee from send does not work with 16-out txs" 14:45:19 It works fine w remote node if configured correctly 14:45:47 Is this a bug ? Or by design? 14:45:53 Then someone should write the correct config in the comments :P 14:47:05 Example: the auto_refresh default is not a good value, especially with tor/onion nodes and also with --untrusted nodes 14:47:07 it used tk have runaway logs that would eventually cause system to run out of storage 14:47:35 Or should send pr to monero to fix the default behavior 14:48:07 Bug: https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20240621#c389132 14:48:34 If a bug then comments are pointless. Needs issue on monero and fix on monero 14:49:26 Would have to come in and delete comments after its fixed. I think that wrong approach to fixing stuff 14:50:57 basicswap works with remote nodes as well as local. --trusted-node (and not yet implemented: a longer auto_refresh) interval makes even onion nodes usable 14:52:08 The problem with rpc is that it send refresh command like every 20 seconds. It takes nore time than that in some circumstances. Imo we dont need auto_refresh more than every 60s (half a block) by default 14:53:59 --trusted-daemon* shaves 3-10mb off of the initial refresh. Without it, (iirc) it will repeatedly ask the remote daemon for 10mb every 20 seconds 14:55:06 But yeah. Thats part of" why monero-docs?" << we need better docs, better configs, better defaults and bug fixes 14:55:57 The patch for that is in release cc rbrunner that requests only new tx's since last request iirc to reduce the spam. We just need a hardfork.so everyone has to.update 14:58:11 --trusted-daemon goes a long way. @plowsof it was like a 20 second speedup for gift card redeem, right? 15:08:58 Yep true 15:26:08 Yes, once everybody's daemon supports incremental query of tx pool, fetching new txs every 20 seconds won't be a problem at all. Waiting longer could even be counter-productive then, because the data packets would get bigger which is not ideal. 15:32:11 Oh, thanks 15:34:45 Its a problem when it takes 20 seconds to retrieve the extra data included in --untrusted-daemon 17:52:07 r​ucknium: there is also not expected output on rpc (not documented), `describe_transfer` gives you much more output then expected e.g. 17:56:28 " I think its just short stepping making a github issue which can be closed /marked as completed, vs these comments that may(?) Clutter the page forever" I found on php.net in this comments often hints, that made me mad for hours only to figure out that an operator/method was not behaving like described in the documentantion and it tool like 3 minor increments, or even never until it got reflected in the docs. But I think with 17:56:30 the issues is okay, if it get's almost real time updated :D, or at least the issue somehow attached below the documentation. 18:03:26 " If a bug then comments are pointless. Needs issue on monero and fix on monero" it is not until it is fixed, that is why I hate to fix upstream, all is sooo slow, so I better fix it myself. It is not that you are developing and then you would wait until your dependencies resolve some day. The comment is to save somebodys day until the bug is fixed, of course perfect world the comments would also be read by somebody to create 18:03:27 an issue or fix the bug or by the person itself. 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