00:27:03 The whose reputation? 00:27:07 😂😂😂 01:40:01 Yes I like the kuno. I donated many Moneroj to the cuba one. 03:17:03 Hello Everyone 03:17:05 I have total of 90000000 plus videos of 30 different categories. 03:17:07 Customers feedbacks and data availability will shown to the customer who buys. Please don’t text if you’re not interested. Don’t waste my time and yours either. 03:17:09 For contact 03:17:11 Telegram : http://t.me/huzi_q 03:17:13 Categories 03:17:15 1) Mom & Son 03:17:17 2) Small Boy with Big Girls 03:17:19 3) Small Girls with Big Boys 03:17:21 4) Original Rape Videos 03:17:23 5) Original Baby Rape Videos 03:30:56 Oh no 04:32:11 glad you like it! did you use the comment function as well? part of the idea for donor only comments came from this frustration with people commenting on my ccs proposal that were not interesting in supporting it in any case. there is potential there to create a space for people that are aligned around a certain goal 04:33:38 they dont have to micromanage. It is just a different way to build trust. it makes the community more decentralized if it works out 04:36:47 but I also see how it can be misused / it can be an overwhelming having to go through so many proposal and judge if they are going to help monero in the long run or not 04:38:38 It has worked in other communities that are much larger though. Gitcoin is one example. Just feels like they lost focus a bit and added to many features / the quadratic funding thing is too complex + required sibyl resistance. 04:41:03 but I also see how it can be misused / it can be an overwhelming having to go through so many proposals and judge if they are going to help monero in the long run or not 04:45:18 but I also see how it can be misused / it can be overwhelming having to go through so many proposals and judge if they are going to help monero in the long run or not 04:45:38 It has worked in other communities that are much larger though. Gitcoin is one example. Just feels like they lost focus a bit and added too many features / the quadratic funding thing is too complex + required sibyl resistance. 05:24:34 If you build wallet api with wasm then yeah - I can do that on the web 05:54:42 plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: monerobull @monerobull:monero.social: 06:15:18 Hi everyone 06:25:12 hello 07:02:55 that is the plan 🔥 07:03:26 Sexy idea indeed 07:03:33 Do you have any WIP sources? 07:09:02 the new library is still in a closed repo. I have built a wallet-rpc around woodsers monero-cpp (which is compiled to wasm with emscripten) : https://github.com/spirobel/monerochan-merchant-rpc that is the only thing I have public currently with regards to wasm and monero. the new lib results in a much smaller wasm package and more robust connection with the node 07:11:03 the new library is still in a closed repo. I have built a wallet-rpc around woodsers monero-cpp (which is compiled to wasm with emscripten) : https://github.com/spirobel/monerochan-merchant-rpc that is the only thing I have public currently with regards to wasm and monero. the new lib results in a smaller wasm package and more robust connection with the node 07:14:47 video description: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FN9Wvdp9eA can also recommend exploring the monero-ts docs https://github.com/woodser/monero-ts/blob/master/docs/developer_guide/data_model.md (if you intend to use this) 07:15:47 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/yLJyytFpixGmuHdWkbaeuHjK 07:15:51 well well well, how turntables :p 07:16:12 turns out I have accidentally made similar thing 07:16:22 but not for the frontend - for the backend instead 07:17:11 **but** that being said, building wallet_api with emscripten is a nice idea 07:17:33 but I suppose I lack time to do it at the moment 07:17:46 I already work like 12 hours a day on all the stuff 07:20:30 wasm is a good target. not a fan of emscripten tbh 07:21:54 i was today years old when I learned that there are other toolchains for targetting web browsers 07:22:27 rust and zig can do it very well 07:22:36 that being said last JS line I wrote (last month excluded) was in 2020 07:23:38 #monero-community-dev:monero.social 07:23:42 there is a lot of nuance to this. emscripten had its time and place, but its not the way forward. I feel the same about other solutions that generate js wrappers as part of the build. 07:24:20 I write it everyday it is a great language and ecosystem 07:24:33 plowsof doesn't want to hear us talking about the code here lol 07:25:18 for sure it is a pleasure to write some code in it, but Go will be my favourite of them all <3 09:23:00 The first time I heard about Monero was in 2014, at the time I didn't pay much attention to privacy, I was relatively interested in it. Today more than ever I need to find ways to regain some privacy onchain and, here comes into play Monero. 09:23:01 Reading The Monero Book articles and other writings, it seems that Monero is really a secure protocol that can hardly be broken in terms of privacy. There are many companies today that didn't exist before; Chainalysis or Elliptico, to name a few. 09:23:03 Well, we all know that there are evangelists and detractors. Now I would like to focus on the detractors, people who do not agree for example that Monero is not really that secure in terms of privacy because for example it is possible to trace addresses or amounts by doing certain things. I would also like to hear the other side of the story. 09:23:05 Do you have any experience in this regard and can you point me to some person or company that claims to be able to trace the chain in some way and understand the spending patterns that we all know about Bitcoin? 09:43:05 I'll trace all your transactions if you send me your private key 09:44:11 🤣 10:29:46 @kewbit https://github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-plus/tree/development i dont see a license 10:35:57 "Is the Creative Commons licence OK?" This is software. Mit, apache, bsd, gpl. I'm not a license expert but i would think that while cc CAN be used for sw, is not intended for it 10:37:44 " I am now conforming to rule 4:" << without a license, youre not conforming. Source available != licensed permissively 10:38:26 Should mark the proposal as a draft, or close it until remedied 10:39:03 I am also not a licence expert 10:40:22 What do you recommend 10:44:22 bsd = use the source code in whatever manner you like (sell it, integrate it in closed-source or whatever), no need to acknowledge the original source 10:44:23 gpl = use it in whatever manner u like but it must be open-source and have to acknowledge the original author/source 10:44:25 afaik 10:46:41 How’s this: 10:46:43 Copyright 2024 Kewbit 10:46:45 Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software for any 10:46:47 purpose with or without fee is hereby granted, provided that the following 10:46:49 conditions are met: 10:46:51 1. The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included 10:46:53 in all copies or substantial portions of the Software. 10:46:55 2. If the Software is used in a public space to do work that the user is 10:46:57 paid for, the user must perform the Chicken Dance upon request. 10:46:59 THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR 10:47:01 IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, 10:54:37 <321bob321:monero.social> https://opensource.org/license/mit 10:57:32 I like the idea of making it fully permissive in the sense that anyone can use it for anything modify, distribute, publish, but not profit from it, and any work it’s used in must be open source too 11:00:35 AGPL is an option, probably makes the most amount of sense if haveno is also AGPL 11:01:05 why is there even a discussion 11:01:14 agpl-v3 literally states you HAVE to use the same license 11:01:17 It’s not derivative 11:01:33 you use haveno code, no? 11:01:36 I can choose not to do AGPL 11:01:53 https://www2.afego.life/Al2ewP 11:01:55 11:01:57 Find Encounters with Hot Guys Near You! 11:01:59 11:02:01 https://matrix.to/#/#_utopia_:matrix.org 11:02:03 No, I can distribute without a single line of haveno code 11:02:14 But I still think AGPL is best 11:02:33 and what about the windows client 11:03:04 Can do without any line of code, but the user could still install it 11:03:21 But that’s the users decision 11:03:43 The source code literally contains none of the original code at all 11:04:15 and it also doesn't contain any license file 11:04:26 Even the protobuf file that interfaces with haveno is all written in dart 11:04:43 all im saying, is until the license if figured out, close or mark as draftn 11:04:48 Yeah I’m going to add one now 11:05:13 and what about 11:05:15 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/DjzumtAoYfFvmoSJrQLuLnfv 11:05:36 Wheres that from? 11:05:42 you are quite literally connecting AGPL to a network 11:05:54 you are quite literally connecting to a AGPL network 11:05:58 That is a grey area 11:06:10 is it reaaaally though 11:06:20 I think so yeah 11:06:47 wikipedia says AGPL fixes a loophole of GPL 11:07:01 regarding server stuff 11:07:03 Mb, delete the spam comments as well pls b thx 11:07:09 Cause if it’s through tor, prove I’m interacting with that software 11:08:08 where, on irc? 11:08:13 afraid i cant do that 11:08:25 oh great mindset 11:08:44 Interesting take tho 11:08:49 not really 11:08:51 :D 11:08:53 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/ANSbXktRxzBuWlEMccRotiUr 11:09:11 you are quite literally writing software that connects to a network running AGPL software 11:09:18 which per license definition is distribution 11:09:33 and distribution needs the same license 11:09:38 No, above 11:09:52 https://matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm:matrix.org/$E9fldqvRQtYf4uz4yp-nH1sqmlyxmrzlKl2VrSXggCQ?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=libera.chat 11:09:55 I’m licensing it AGPL 11:10:04 You banned the user but didnt delete the msg 11:10:24 huh, its gone on my end 11:10:58 :S 11:11:47 should be gone now 11:11:49 Gone now 11:12:00 could only see it form the other account 11:12:11 could only see it from the other account 11:12:18 good 11:13:50 btw it looks REALLY BAD when someone suggests dodging FOSS licenses, even more so when they want to receive community funding 11:14:31 my poit is: this comment makes you look like a mega asshole 😂 11:14:41 my point is: this comment makes you look like a mega asshole 😂 11:15:55 I don’t really care what it looks like, and the reason for that is I’ve spent 2 months working my ass off, if a developer trying to protect his interests as making him an asshole then so be it 😂 11:15:57 What you should appreciate is that I’m doing what you’ve suggested nonetheless and leave it at that. 11:16:30 Well, its not about appearance to me 11:16:54 > you should appreciate is that I’m doing what you’ve suggested 11:16:55 no fuck you 11:16:57 Its simply: no license? Look for funding somewhere else 11:17:18 you cant say "be grateful im following the license that i literally have to follow" 11:17:50 not how FOSS works 11:18:06 Ffs 🤦‍♂️ 11:18:12 Dont even advertise your project using ccs if your license isnt open. Thems is the rules 11:18:33 its not even that complicated 11:18:37 just follow the damn license 11:19:09 you really think someone is going to "steal" your code and claim the bounty and wed just go "hm yes, here have the monero" ??? 11:20:17 kewbit, tip: you could have just said "i havent started this project yet. There is no source code, just mockups" and then syntheticbird wouldnt have anything to complain about 11:20:29 🤷‍♂️ 11:20:44 I really don’t understand the hostility 11:20:50 Then boom. Release everything on day 1 and collect all milestones at once 🤣 11:21:02 I literally am licensing it 11:21:39 I already done 2 things asked of me without complaining which was open source and remove proprietary licence 11:21:52 i totally get your position, you want to make sure your work wasnt for nothing. i also get the tor comment because i love thinking about "exploits" like that too. you just cant actually say that, not in a FOSS community 11:21:53 But you’re going ape shit 11:22:01 I'm referring to the people who dont want to allow you to be paid for already completed work. You should just lie and say that no work has been completed yet 11:22:10 Getting a kick out of it clearly 11:22:39 its out of necessity 11:23:16 we only got here because people strongly defended FOSS 11:23:42 you cant make compromises or else the corpos will abuse the shit out of it 11:23:44 I appreciate that you’re defending FOSS, I’m all for it 11:24:37 i have nothing against you <3 11:24:58 i think what youre working on is awesome 11:25:09 and you obviously deserve to get the bounty 11:25:12 Ok good, I thought you were hatin’ lol 11:25:30 Corps will steal mit code faster than it gets posted 11:25:51 Even bitmain used xmrig code without attribution 11:26:03 microsoft be training Chat GPT5 on your private github repos 11:26:33 nah its just a touchy subject 11:27:35 if they were a US company, legal action could probably change thta 11:27:38 if they were a US company, legal action could probably change that 11:28:34 the chinese arent exactly known for caring about IP protection all that much 11:29:21 Yeah wouldn’t surprise 11:29:56 xmrig code wasn't mit, it was GPLv3 11:30:02 Bitmain just didn't care about licenses 11:30:02 i think ive read about it somewhere and that you have to manually opt out but maybe im wrong 11:32:13 Yeah 11:33:09 don't distord my words. I never said I was against paying an already completed work. Just that it wasn't the CCS goal to begin with 11:34:36 ^ 11:34:52 The CCS design isn't adapted for this type of work and it just cause other to claim more unhealthy adaptation to the CCS process 11:35:00 You said it sounds scammy 11:35:19 My bad if you can't understand that *The whole spirit of CCS* means we're in the context of CCS 11:35:50 ^ 11:36:09 https://github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-plus/blob/main/README.md 11:36:11 check it out! Does this mean you can mark me as started on the bounty now at least 11:36:37 CCS = community crowdfunding. It doesnt mean "charity for devs who csnt afford to work" 11:36:58 https://github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-plus/blob/main/LICENCE.md <- 11:37:00 just read the website categories ffs 11:37:04 Just because someone can AFFORD to so the work, doesnt meant their work should go unrewarded 11:37:24 "Website categories"? 11:37:48 You know the literal first four titles on the index page of ccs.getmonero.org 11:37:52 it that doesn't speak for itself 11:38:39 Yes of course. But that isn't CCS. If it was a bounty I would gladly give it. If kewbit wish rewards for its works, then he can ***SELL IT TO THE COMMUNITY*** 11:38:59 Kewbit > the license and the code are on different branches 🤔 11:39:11 and not ***REQUEST FUNDINGS FOR COMPLETED WORK*** 11:39:50 "ideas" doesnt mean "lets fund a unicorn" 11:39:57 Read the rules 11:40:09 don't change topic 11:40:22 kewbit this has notthing to do with you btw I like your work and wish you to succeed 11:40:37 Your work on the project can begin before the proposal is fully funded, and milestones may (at times) be paid out before the proposal is fully funded. 11:41:10 Doesnt say anything about whether work has to begin AFTER its accepted 11:41:17 Do I need to explain what was the original telling of this rule or do you wanna adapt this line the primary idea behind CCS? 11:41:49 yes because its obvious its in the range of launching the proposal 11:41:53 The supply-demand economy is a fundamental law that doesn’t escape a community just because it’s aiming for FOSS. You still have to respect this law if you want to progress effectively 11:42:41 It shouldn’t matter when someone approaches with their contribution, it’s the value of the contribution that should be considered. 11:42:52 No. Having an _idea_ doesnt meant its feasible 11:42:56