02:29:19 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> FYI just posted y'all's CCS Ideas on X via @MoneroSpace. Good luck. plowsof hardenedsteel spirobel https://xcancel.com/MoneroSpace
02:31:05 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> vostoemisio: https://xcancel.com/MoneroSpace/status/1835506579157725203
02:32:05 <geonic> what would they ever do without your support
02:34:26 <m-relay> <m​mxxx:monero.social> they'd hire diego back :p
02:35:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> diego was hired back
02:35:20 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Not sure if I'd prefer Diego over plowsof at this point...
02:35:30 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Sorry bb lol.
02:35:55 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Me neither
02:36:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Rip. Diego's plans are foiled
02:36:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> (/s)
03:31:40 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> thanks
07:11:59 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> decrypt said magic was leading the way for us. No need for co-ordinators
07:13:34 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> hello i am from magic
07:13:54 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> im leading the way, please deposit 500 XMR from the general fund to my magic wallet
07:13:56 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> you are leading us
07:14:02 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> (/s)
07:14:56 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one
12:28:06 <big_dota2_player> Hi, guys. My friend ask me: "Why don't use you just a proved to work known to be safe, most popular cryptocurrency Bitcoin, why do you use monero, you're a scammer, or why do you need it???". Can you please recommend me how to answer them, thanks!
12:28:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Kraken** wallet
12:29:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> When ccs paid magic, the funds were deposited _directly_ into kraken. (talk about EAE .. -__-)
12:29:54 <big_dota2_player> I am not a scammer obviosly, I chose monero because anonymity/privacy ideas, but people (my friend including) associate that with illegal activities and other misuses
12:30:00 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> >my magic wallet
12:30:02 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> >my
12:30:36 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> big_dota2_player: bitcoin is expensive and slow af
12:32:55 <big_dota2_player> Yeah, but the problem is that my friend (as I understand) things that the only one reason to choose monero instead of standard popular cryptocurrencies (BTC, SOL, TRX, others, IDK) is illegal activity
12:33:20 <big_dota2_player> And I kinda don't know what to say
12:33:25 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> your friend should give me his wallet address
12:34:14 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> transparent chains are like bank accounts but everyone can see where and when you spend your money, how much you have, etc
12:34:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm:matrix.org/$EvYY9ped9yZRcafGbSYL8q3EU5zklE-HUnIg_2DR3kM?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=libera.chat
12:34:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> mb
12:35:18 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> if people would actually use bitcoin to pay for things, you could stalk the receivers wallet and rob rich people at gunpoint
12:35:40 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> people do this already btw
12:36:05 <big_dota2_player> already?! Haven't heard of that...
12:37:13 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> https://news.bitcoin.com/london-college-student-robbed-at-knifepoint-by-8-thugs-for-93k-in-bitcoin/
12:37:37 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> https://cryptonews.net/news/security/21294608/
12:37:53 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cw5w5zyg979o
12:38:16 <m-relay> <f​rog_legs:matrix.org> Some guy just 47 years in prison for holding people hostages in thier home
12:38:17 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> https://www.cryptotimes.io/2024/06/18/indian-hacker-loses-1112-eth-in-london-machete-robbery/
12:38:42 <m-relay> <f​rog_legs:matrix.org> https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/man-convicted-violent-home-invasion-robberies-steal-cryptocurrency
12:39:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero Monero Offtopic  mebbe
12:39:42 <m-relay> <f​rog_legs:matrix.org> He is only 24. Now his life is ruin
12:39:50 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> and these are the extreme cases. you could also just be discriminated against because of your transparent coins history: https://sethforprivacy.com/posts/fungibility-graveyard/
12:41:23 <big_dota2_player> Big thanks!
12:42:34 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> also, on chains like eth, you can actually be robbed on-chain
12:43:37 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> by stuff like sandwich attacks that observe your transaction before it even gets confirmed and bribing block producers to re-arrange transactions to steal from you
12:49:30 <big_dota2_player> I guess my friend kinda sees the world as "misuse possible = bad thing". To me this looks like a good philosphical question and I don't think I can out-argue him
12:51:18 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> monero is a tool like any other
12:51:39 <big_dota2_player> at the same time, is there any situation where monero can be misused and bitcoin cannot be? I guess no
12:51:42 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> >misuse possible
12:52:05 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> you know where that is the case as well? knives, guns, baseball bats, etc
12:52:49 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> also, the most crypto crime by a large margin is done using USDT
12:54:43 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> traditional banking is WAAAAAAY more private than using a transparent chain.
13:04:14 <big_dota2_player> Monero isn't really :misuse-friendlier"
13:04:27 <big_dota2_player> Monero isn't really "misuse-friendlier" than bitcoin?
13:07:19 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> it actually gets mis-used more often than monero in scams because its easier to buy
13:07:35 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> by a massive margin as well
13:07:58 <big_dota2_player> Probably a nonsense question because morality and "misuse" are a subjective terms and I don't know what bitcoin (or monero) is for law) Wait.. does the law even know what bitcoin/monero/other cryptocurrencies exist?
13:09:32 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> of course
13:09:56 <big_dota2_player> Ok, I don't see any reasons to "boycott" monero/not use it only because "its misuse-friendlier"
13:10:22 <big_dota2_player> and this is the answer for my friend
13:11:39 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/CGZnpXbojiWMXabTJpXLooqp
13:13:34 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> SHlarpedUM
13:14:25 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> p04r8qc16sw61.png
13:14:40 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> i am proudly on the left part of that curve
15:03:11 <big_dota2_player> xd
15:04:05 <big_dota2_player> You've just sent a file named p04r8qc16sw61.png? It is unaccessable from IRC?
15:04:53 <big_dota2_player> Or it is that screenshot of post about larp?
15:22:01 <big_dota2_player> Is there alternative monero node implementations?
15:28:05 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> cuprate.org
16:05:39 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> who da heck runs haveno.markets?
17:03:42 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> you mean da website ?
17:04:05 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> there isn't another haveno network i think. they just made a website showing haveno-reto stats ?
17:04:43 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Yes.
17:15:04 <dEBRUYNE> I am not acquainted with the account (so not an endorsement), but has a lot of followers -> https://x.com/SallyMayweather/status/1835688698446327877
17:15:50 <m-relay> <s​hadow06:matrix.org> Because drugz? Lol
17:16:05 <m-relay> <s​hadow06:matrix.org> Zyn in singapore lol
17:16:49 <m-relay> <s​hadow06:matrix.org> Bitcoin lost fungibility when peeps decided some sats were worth more than others lol
17:17:15 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> actually no, i dont buy drugs from the darknet
17:17:45 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> im not trying to die to a sand-grain-sized piece of fent-lace
17:18:02 <m-relay> <s​hadow06:matrix.org> I'm just curious why left and not right
17:18:22 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> well its both but calling yourself "big brained" is cringe
17:19:04 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> calling yourself stupid is not as cringe, especially in comedic context
17:19:32 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m stupid
17:19:53 <m-relay> <s​hadow06:matrix.org> So what do you buy on the darkweb? I've always wanted to buy one of those mystery boxes lol
17:20:05 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> those are a scam and an invention of clickbait youtubers
17:20:13 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> nobody is actually selling mystery boxes on the darkweb lmao
17:20:20 <m-relay> <s​hadow06:matrix.org> Oh I'm aware.
17:20:44 <m-relay> <s​hadow06:matrix.org> I just think it's fun.
17:21:03 <m-relay> <s​hadow06:matrix.org> I know too many witchy people that are likely to believe some of the more occult ones lol
17:21:38 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> i dont buy anything tbh
17:21:50 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> i buy legal stuff like hosting, vpn, domains, etc
17:25:40 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> we dont want to support illegal enterprises now do we
17:48:55 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> yeah random unrelated people find monero and promote it.
17:48:56 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> monero doesn't need much marketing :)
19:38:51 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Rip
20:47:49 <big_dota2_player> Btw, does ISP know what I am mining XMR?
20:48:40 <big_dota2_player> And if yes how?
21:09:55 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Ports
21:13:36 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> b​ig_dota2_player: Depends how you are mining. If you are mining to a centralized pool, probably yes since you'll be connected to the pool's IP address and the ISP can see that. If you are solo mining, the ISP will just see that you are running a Monero node, which does not necessarily mean you are mining.
21:16:15 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> When you find a block while solo mining, you would be the first to broadcast it. The ISP _might_ detect that event if they are performing deep packet inspection on all of your traffic, because it would see that the block was broadcasted from your node that it did not receive from someone else first.
21:24:46 <big_dota2_player> BTW, that's the average delay between new blocks?
21:26:00 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Two minutes
21:27:09 <big_dota2_player> Oopss, yeah, 2 minutes of course, I forgot)
21:30:45 <big_dota2_player> >  How does Monero have value?  Monero has value because people are willing to buy it. If no one is willing to buy Monero, then it will not have any value. Monero’s price increases if demand exceeds supply, and it decreases if supply exceeds demand.
21:31:07 <big_dota2_player> Maybe this part of FAQ should mention what people may want buy monero for using it as a MoE?
21:32:09 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> You can go to #monero-website and suggest there
21:38:43 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Or I guess it's #monero-site
22:38:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its both 🥴
22:41:52 <big_dota2_player> How exchanges can be a legal way to buy/sell (for fiat) XMR?
22:46:56 <big_dota2_player> #monero-website isn't listed on getmonero site
22:49:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://www.getmonero.org/community/hangouts/
22:49:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Last one on the list
22:56:19 <big_dota2_player> it's #monero-site not #monero-website
23:01:26 <ofrnxmr> Its both
23:01:42 <ofrnxmr> On matrix* its both
23:02:19 <ofrnxmr> Monero-site:matrix.org is broken, so its #monero-website:matrix.org + #monero-site:monero.social
23:20:46 <big_dota2_player> ok