04:49:30 <geonic> https://www.reddit.com/r/TOR/comments/1fjmon5/german_authorities_successfully_deanonymized_tor/
05:43:06 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> Isn’t there a bunch of node more in Germany than anywhere else
05:43:26 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> Isn’t there a bunch of nodes more in Germany than anywhere else
05:44:14 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> Hetzner!
06:29:51 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> geonic thats fake news
06:30:52 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> it wasnt tor but some chat app that got deanonymized
06:31:07 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Sms?
08:30:50 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> monerobull: I have to oppose. That's not fake news, it seems that in this special case they really were successful by timing analysis of tor traffic. See this original article in German, just just any translator if you can' read German: https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/panorama/tor-netzwerk-100.html
08:34:08 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Problem is not fake news IMHO but "fake" impression that this gives: Just because in a single case it seems they were successful it's not time to throw away tor because "deanonymized" and we all can as well go back to clearnet surfing and save the hassle. It's like Chainalysis did not "deanonymize" Monero just because in one carefully selected case for wow-ing people in a demo the<clipped message>
08:34:09 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> y were successful to find the sender.
08:37:40 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> to normies it looks like it was broken
08:38:10 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> rbrunner the article doesnt mention they traced it because bud was using an unmaintained chat program
08:38:15 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> that was 2 years out of date
08:38:32 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> with a flaw that doesnt exist in the maintaind fork
08:38:35 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> https://blog.torproject.org/tor-is-still-safe/
08:38:55 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah
08:39:29 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> this is why you need to be up to date
08:39:39 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> its not like windows where shit breaks
08:40:01 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Alright. Still not fake news. That 2-year old version *did* still allow timing analysis, and that's what they did, and they were successful with it. Right?
08:40:18 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> its miss represented
08:40:28 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> like out community leaders
08:40:33 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> our*
08:40:35 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> And I am well aware how this *looks* to normies. And maybe that's the plan.
08:40:56 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> It's at most "lying through omission". Not fake news.
08:41:09 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> At least not in my book.
08:41:17 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> not fake, just missing a lot
08:42:21 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> I reall, truly do not want to lose credibility as a project because we call something "fake news" outright which is a position that is hard to defend. I want people to trust our integrity and trustworthiness.
08:43:34 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> its the new buzz word
08:43:35 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> like crisis
08:43:50 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> And "being excited" :)
08:44:13 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> tutanota is excited now too
08:44:21 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Ok
08:44:35 <plowsof> nothing is 100% secure, do not burn software to DVD-R disks 
08:45:13 <plowsof> attacks on tor a well researched, and have been / will continue to be performed 
08:46:47 <m-relay> <h​avenouser:monero.social> fake. law enforcement is involved in protection of pedophilia. this system is based on pedophilia, human trafficking and mainly adrenochrome harvest
08:46:49 <plowsof> nice place for further reading https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Speculative_Tor_Attacks
08:47:21 <plowsof> so you're saying the frogs are ok?
08:48:58 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> i use DVD-RW
08:49:57 <ofrnxmr> i use PEN AND PAPER
08:50:15 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> wildly touting one thing that barely has anything to do with another thing but makes the second thing look worse is fake news
08:50:19 <ofrnxmr> encrpypted seed storage is a myth /s
08:50:55 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> i have military grade encryption
08:51:01 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> beat that
08:51:37 <ofrnxmr> not safe
08:51:44 <ofrnxmr> must use pen and paper
08:51:50 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> MERCEDES CARS WILL KILL YOU THROUGH RANDOM TIRE EXPLOSIONS ON THE HIGHWAY                                                                         (if you use these specific recycled wheels from a chinese dump)
08:52:28 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Didn't we have similar situation with Monero? Use an outdated software release, have a one-off decoy selection bug still in there, long corrected in the most recent version, have your txs stand out because of that bug. "Txs stood out" was not fake news.
08:52:29 <ofrnxmr> actually was possible to hijack cars and diasble their brakes through onstar iirc
08:54:56 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> > barely has anything to do with another thing
08:55:36 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Ah, come on, the tor project had to work hard and improve their software to make timing attacks ineffective. They were possible for quite some time, obviously.
08:56:11 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> With a *lot* of effort, time-wise and money-wise, but still. Informed people make good decisions.
08:58:47 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> feature not a bug
14:53:46 <plowsof> should this reddit thread be deleted? tldr: blockchain on getmonero is 2 yrs old, download my one instead' https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1fnh6xx/new_version_of_xmr_blockchain_block_height/ , i wish the blockchain on getmonero was deleted too though
15:01:31 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> ive removed it
19:25:03 <midipoet> Wait, shouldn't we check if we are richer on that other blockchain first before deleting it?
19:42:48 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Sith left us?
19:43:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yep
23:59:21 <m-relay> <f​rog_legs:matrix.org> Anyone have experience with fioa or have a suggestion?
23:59:25 <m-relay> <f​rog_legs:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/fJwjqbtJILkoOxqiwAzRRsuC