04:12:04 spirobel https://x.com/MoneroSpace/status/1842416815688847535 04:12:20 nitter: https://xcancel.com/MoneroSpace/status/1842416815688847535 07:56:18 Siren reg price fetcher: binarybaron shared a POC 'drop in replacement' api thing for kraken price fetcher https://gist.github.com/binarybaron/b84ff18fd32f90d9922a36f766087040 07:57:38 doesnt serve the exact purpose but just an idea for services that are hard coded / written in c# that need help fetching price from a url 08:29:17 Please help test calc.revuo-xmr.com and share with friends! Couple updates recently deployed. 09:35:25 RINO closing down end of October https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1fwmhto/rino_wallet_closing_down_end_of_october/ 11:18:01 binaryfate: why? Too many legal requests? Or not worth your time anymore 11:18:30 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Money transmitter ? 11:20:22 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Extreme length to avoid producing a transparency report 11:51:14 Custodial wallet are considered money transmitter ? 11:51:15 Remote nodes can also be considered as transmitters? 12:20:31 iirc, nodes are considered something like "infrastructure" itself and thus, not considered as money transmitters 12:20:33 could be wrong... and the government can change the definition any time 12:35:48 dave.jp: The reason is in the article: "Ultimately though, our attempts to monetize the product never bore fruit to a point where the product could sustain itself" 13:32:36 2k/mth for the node? 🤔 13:32:48 No wonder plowsof is so poor 13:33:59 Wen rino.me (localmonero joke) 13:34:50 Would be great if they could open source their community tools, such has the block frequency tool 13:37:29 Does that make any sense to continue fetching price of a cryptocurrency that isn't sell on the platform ? I mean, there is no more arbitrage. 14:28:52 do we have any fingers on the pulsers here to tell us where monerokon will store their monero now 14:40:00 in a usdt, i mean, usdc multisig 14:44:40 Usdt delisting from coinbase same time as xmr from krken 14:53:32 euroland 15:35:58 IIRC before starting RINO, the founders heard from potential commercial Monero users that there were no good custody tools for XMR. It looks like the demand for the custody tools wasn't as high as expected, after all. I have been considering sending out a survey to potential XMR-accepting merchants to ask what are the main pain points of Monero adoption. The RINO arc shows that ma 15:35:59 rket research is harder than it looks 😢 16:17:53 Probably near impossible to gather XMR user stats and research into transaction volume (in USD/Euro). Wonder if there are potential heuristics/estimate methods? 16:22:26 ECB SPACE survey has a question on frequency and amounts for online cryptocurrency payments for goods and services. You can get a rough estimate of EU cryptocurrency payments volume from that, but it doesn't ask about which coins were used. 16:22:38 SPACE = Study on the payment attitudes of consumers in the euro area 16:23:46 does anyone know who runs xmrchain.net? the stagenet and testnet explorers have a 502 bad gateway error 16:31:00 gingeropolous 16:31:29 Hopefully when FCMP++ will roll out and privacy guarantees increase, it will be the opportunity to see an increase in community development effort. Notably on XMR accessibility. I can't say enough at how much people are braindead and aren't going to install BSX because it is too complex, and aren't going to use Haveno because its too sus. Thats why CEX have always been the primary onramp for people, legal guarantees, familiar UI/UX. I sure hope kewbit succeed with its Haveno application because there is no people on earth that want to install the blob haveno java app, which is pure red flags from installation to receiving funds in the wallet. 16:31:32 will ping him in #monero 16:34:28 thanks!! 16:47:08 Ofrnxmr mentioned gingers stage/test net explorers offline. I put up 2 onion explorers in response 16:48:23 For a docs entry 16:52:16 why is haveno sus? what blobs are you referring to? the mobile app will rely the existing daemon so doesn't circumvent your notions 16:59:43 Sorry woodser I should be clear. I was talking of Desktop Haveno UI. I think it's sus for normal people for several reasons: 16:59:45 - It's utterly slow at rare occasion. Might seems niche but i know a lot of people would just go back on the first lag spike and say *Hey see, im sure it was a virus mining some crypto*. 16:59:47 - UX is super complex and non-linear. No translated tutorials or highlighs of important things to do. Right now you just spawn in, try to see how to buy, then read description on why the button don't work, then engage yourself in several small tasks (registering your payment method, making your wallet, etc...). This is frustrating for some people. 16:59:49 - UI is ugly. I think everyone can agree on that point. The CCS funded haveno UI looks really good. I'm not even talking about UX but really UI/Design style. That's something that really make normal people comfortable because they feel like they're in a familiar spacen their expectations are respected. It's like with every administrative and money task they do in their daily life they go on flatified/gradient websites with icons and all, then want to do the same and end up on a php written CSS-less blank website... They will want to report it to tomorrow. 17:00:48 Sorry woodser I should be clear. I was talking of Desktop Haveno UI. I think it's sus for normal people for several reasons: 17:00:49 - It's utterly slow at rare occasion. Might seems niche but i know a lot of people would just go back on the first lag spike and say _Hey see, im sure it was a virus mining some crypto_. 17:00:51 - UX is super complex and non-linear. No translated tutorials or highlighs of important things to do. Right now you just spawn in, try to see how to buy, then read description on why the button don't work, then engage yourself in several small tasks (registering your payment method, making your wallet, etc...). This is frustrating for some people. 17:00:53 - UI is ugly. I think everyone can agree on that point. The CCS funded haveno UI looks really good. I'm not even talking about UX but really UI/Design style. That's something that really make normal people comfortable because they feel like they're in a familiar spacen their expectations are respected. It's like with every administrative and money task they do in their daily life they go on flatified/gradient websites with icons and all, then want to do the same and end up on a php written CSS-less blank website... They will want to do it to tomorrow. 17:01:53 That's a compilation of what appears for some people here small, but for normal people make them think: *Wow this software is super weird*, *It's too complex*, *Looks like a scam software*, *Did I just go back on Windows XP or ?* 17:02:11 I'm not judging the daemon tho, you've done a good job on that part. 17:05:29 yeah it's just a java application which doesn't look the most polished, so I'm sure will turn off some, and in that regard a new mobile app like from kewbit would be a welcome interface 20:25:54 windows xp was pretty 20:26:06 i think you meant windows 98