06:22:25 https://gist.github.com/kayabaNerve/3723d0a3f2b62ef8ef00c0c4a574fb8e is the current draft kayabanerve? 06:42:03 syntheticbird: Can you PM me on the IRC side? 06:46:51 shortwavesurfer2009: I am fairly certain Bit2Me uses Kraken for liquidity and that's why they chose to delist it 09:10:17 dEBRUYNE: do you have a contact with anybody in Kraken? 10:09:39 Re-sharing vthors xmrSigner related proposal as its changed alot https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/495 10:12:11 There is a final milestone, ' stretch goals ', which attempts to account for/use any possible overfunding which ive not seen before and also needs feedback from community and luigi1111 10:15:35 Thank you very much plowsof :) 10:29:42 Yes plowsof 12:59:29 meeting in 2 hours https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1095 14:01:57 plowsof: Thanks for adding my item :) 14:12:56 briefly checked the prev. 2 MRL meetings logs. Rucknium noted the loose consensus for merging the proposal 14:14:32 Rucknium: "I think I support this, but it would be much easier to support if it wasn't so expensive. But I know it cannot be done cheaper" 14:15:26 rbrunner: "I don't see any plausible reason to oppose a CCS" / "it's fine to let donors decide whether they see it worth their donation" 14:15:38 tobtoht: "Fwiw, I'm in support of getting this audited" 14:15:48 syntheticbird: "Do it." 14:16:41 chaser: "it isn't cheap, but given the fact that we will finally get usable multisig in Monero after 10-11 years, it's not expensive either." 14:17:35 kayabanerve is there a final price now? not much reason to keep it as a draft it seems? 14:18:09 No, I don't have a quote yet :/ 14:20:02 I'm hoping to the quote early next week. Then I'll make the CCS, leave it up for comments for however long, and it'll get merged whenever. I brought it up at the last community meeting to get feedback prior to opening the CCS, I was sent to MRL, I got MRL approval, and now I'm here at this upcoming community meeting to get feedback/resolve any other issues I can prior to opening the CCS. 14:20:19 perfect, thanks 14:22:18 I do get it's a bit silly to have a CCS which isn't a CCS. I don't expect to open the CCS and immediately have it merged. If I had waited to open the CCS, I'd be sent to the MRL in the community meeting on November 9th and only have MRL approval November 20th however. By so pipelining, I hope to save those 25 days. 14:22:51 *If I had waited until I opened the CCS 14:23:06 makes sense to me 👍️ 14:42:17 Updated my CCS proposal draft and made a merge request, hope you guys will have time to check it out https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/513 15:00:03 added to the agenda pat, thanks 15:00:06 meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1095 15:00:09 Greetings! 15:00:26 Hello 15:00:57 neow 15:01:24 hello 15:01:24 sharing once again that escapethe3ra has received funding (independently!) for monero.observer until 2026. a recent dev activity report for an overview of the core repos https://monero.observer/monero-dev-activity-report-week-42-2024/ 15:02:19 hi 15:02:31 hey :) 15:02:44 thats very nice 15:02:46 https://gui.xmr.pm/files/block.txt is the list selsta maintains , confirmed in this comment https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/9526#issuecomment-2429926881 15:03:21 boog900 / syntheticbirds contributions have been added there now? 15:03:38 hi all 15:04:19 Hi jul 15:04:51 Hi, yes they have, although a few more have appeared since. 15:05:03 in the monero docs is written that ban list in normally not applied and need to be enabled (legacy options) when I rememeber right. Is this still like that? 15:05:14 *waves* 15:05:20 it hasnt been reviewed/merged, vthor 15:05:47 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-docs/pull/81 15:05:49 yes, all optional (should be) 15:06:02 ofrnxmr: but will it be then when it is merged by default be enabled? 15:06:34 <0xfffc:monero.social> hi everyone 15:06:46 <0xfffc:monero.social> sorry for the delay 15:06:47 81 pr moves those options from legacy >> relevant sections 15:07:02 *thumbs up* 15:08:25 re sharing that the @monero twitter account requests community participation, what/who to tweet/retweet/follow. the matrix channel #monero-twitter:monero.social and #monero-twitter (bridge not set up yet) are available for those who want a say in how the account is handled 15:09:21 simplifiedPrivacy wants to share this spanish Monero education series of posts: https://simplifiedprivacy.com/transaccion-monero/index.html 15:09:21 https://simplifiedprivacy.com/categories/espanol.html for our spanish users 15:09:46 re @monero no one answered my question so it is pretty safe to assume the @monero.bsky.app bluesky handle is actually in the hand of an unknown individual. kinda sad Bluesky is exploding and could have been another network to use. 15:10:23 the recent churning research paper by cypherstack: Goodell, Salazar, & Slaughter (2024). “Uniformly Most Powerful Tests for Ad Hoc Transactions in Monero.” has been posted: https://github.com/cypherstack/churn/releases/tag/final 15:10:44 [Ruckniums review](https://github.com/cypherstack/churn/issues/2) , SGP noted that after reading the paper / Ruckniums review, he found nothing actionable 15:11:25 My 3 months of server hosting is open for donations: https://rucknium.me/donate/ 15:11:30 @monero.bsky.app is a matrix account? 15:11:41 no a bluesky account 15:11:42 Can I throw here something in what I wanna share, or better after the meeting? 15:11:53 yes please do 15:12:14 According to kewbit, "Your [Rucknium's] XMR node is the only one I can find that isn’t slow af" https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-dev/20240824#c416162 15:12:20 "i'm getting married!" 15:12:35 real 15:12:51 absolutely real, rucknium node is the only one that doesn't suck sorry for the term but its real 15:13:04 why would rucks be the only one fast? Sounds like user error 15:13:09 My android nide is fast 15:13:23 now that everyone knows, it can be drained of bandwidth as everyone switches, and the cycle continues 15:13:25 my node is fast too 15:13:30 I'm still working on it, but I hope to find some input and in some areas help https://moneroroads.com/ 15:13:53 only the header is relevant, rest ist still from the theme I use. 15:14:14 what is moneroroads 15:14:38 "Join North America's most visible Monero awareness campaign, traveling from Alaska to Cancun. Our 40' rolling billboard combines digital displays with premium advertising space, " 15:14:40 Probably because my node caches about 40GB of the blockchain in RAM, so it serves the data fast to many customers. 15:14:47 If anybody are interested in setting up a strategy for "deep" adoption onboard I would be happy to share thoughts here: https://github.com/MoneroRoads/MoneroRoads/discussions 15:15:12 Plowsof's node caches that much too 15:15:16 "Probably because my node caches about 40GB of the blockchain in RAM, so it serves the data fast to many customers." <- cool thing! 15:15:55 Maybe its due to nobody proxying to rucks node (how many rpc connections do you have, ans how much monthly data does it use ;)) 15:16:00 It does the caching by default. The machine just has enough RAM to do that, and lots of requests I guess. 15:16:22 Also hoping to discuss my CCS, let me know when is a good time to bring it up :) 15:16:27 One day cuprate will replace monerod on rucknium node I can guarantee it 15:16:32 I don't check RPC data. 15:16:42 Yeah, plowsof has a high-ram node 15:16:43 "Plowsof's node caches that much too" :o 8) 15:16:58 i think we can move onto the CCS ideas? 15:16:59 I allocated 64GB on mine (24 Core Epyc) 15:17:01 But I reverted it into a normal node 15:17:17 the malicious proxies require only the best nodes! 15:17:22 You can estimate rpc data by just looking at print_net_stats. The diff between up and down is usually (mostly) rpc 15:17:31 Rav. You just said on kyun.host that you could cache 256TB of data. Are you elon musk? 15:17:44 Yeah, that I confirm 15:18:04 we can move on to the CCS ideas unless there is anything else 15:18:04 Yes, lets move on to CCS 15:18:10 You read in diagonal, you did not get the point 15:18:29 Oh yeah, the server costs are also for moneroresearch.info, which will probably get linked on getmonero.org soon 15:18:32 oh you're right sorry 15:18:37 Rav is elon, confirmed 15:18:42 a. [Offline Signing Library for XmrSigner Production](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/495) 15:18:43 vthors proposal 15:18:56 The updated proposal addressed my comments. 15:19:43 one unique thing about this proposal "Optional strech goals overfunding up to 112" that there has to be consensus on / clearly pointed out , if people want to move forward with the proposal 15:20:23 thanks for confirming tobtoht, glad to hear 15:20:46 What is 112"? 15:20:47 Thank you plowsof, there I would like to add this link, I tried to get some support from there but seems (and got told) that twitter people probably not gonna show up on meetings or take the effort to visit and register on the ccs page: https://x.com/XmrSigner/status/1847557103419789518 45 likes (the easy way to vote during scrolling....) 15:21:20 Likes on twit dont really mean much tbf 15:21:33 Being popular get you casual scrollthru likes 15:21:40 if the proposal is overfunded while on the funding page, then the extra amount, vthor capped it at 112, would go to vthor to work on the same proposal 15:21:53 112" * 2.54 = roughly 280 cm 15:22:26 Lmao. I read it as 112", not end of quote. Facepalm 15:22:38 "Likes on twit dont really mean much tbf" for that I said, easy while scrolling... but wanted to mention it... 15:22:51 so it would go to funding at amount: 196 . then , if it where overfunded (anything over 196 to a max of 112) gets given to vthor 'stretch goals' 15:23:12 i vote +1 15:23:13 To a max of 112 overfunded? So 298? 15:23:17 Lmao. I read it as 112", not end of quote. Facepalm :D 15:24:02 I think: overfunding should be repurposed within ccs 15:24:11 one issue would be 'how long is it allowed to stay on the funding page if/when funded' -> fairness... etc theres some details there to be ironed out before people vote on that imo 15:24:25 but tobtohts comments being addressed is a major plus 15:24:25 but not necessarily to the same proposak 15:24:28 ok i vote 0 15:24:59 yes, I could not squize it into the 3 months, I was already trying everywhere to cut time... I hope I'm faster but I want to have time I can chip in unpaid hours if I'm stuck somewhere without getting in to much trouble an stress. 15:25:01 and i also think that would obl 15:25:27 IF the overfunding milestone is contentious , then people can vote on merging without the clause, or, abstain for more clarification or merge as is 15:25:28 Only be fair if we paid overfunding back to everyone (like cyjan, who had >100% overfunded) 15:26:33 Well I can take it out, if this is in the way. 15:26:57 historical overfunding to be returned to everyone effected ? https://github.com/plowsof/scrape_ccs_fr (including the CCS1 wallet) 15:27:18 i'd prefer a clause "overfunding goes to CCS" (instead if generalfund) 15:27:39 same 15:27:44 should that then not be changed simply in general? 15:27:46 i think jeffro deserves his 0.001675431325 15:27:57 sadly these are topics that could delay vthors proposal 15:28:00 vthor: yes. I want it changed in general 15:28:01 jeffro is core? 15:28:05 No 15:28:22 i think its best to do case-by case 15:28:39 So I will change it. No hard feelings on that. Please don't keep me further in the loop :) 15:28:46 luigi1111 mentioned the one-off instance for sneedlewoods 15:28:49 It should never go to GF, in any case 15:28:49 to me it seems vthor already put a lot of effort into this, I would give a soft +1 15:28:51 aka the flood gates are open 15:28:52 "i'd prefer a clause" <- Agree. If we set the precedent here, we should change the rules for all future proposals. 15:28:59 if its "this 1000 XMR proposal was funded by 2 whales sending 1k each" that is different from "this proposal has 1 xmr extra 15:29:19 Its not different 15:29:27 but luigi was on his yacht when this proposal was on the funding page so it was on for longer 15:29:34 Whether we accept the overfunding or not I give a +1 for the proposal it is detailed and sound 15:29:43 or in the case of loveras overfunding - the ccs was broken , and donations didnt show 15:29:45 it is ofrn 15:29:51 no, it really isnt mb 15:29:54 nobody has infinite resources 15:29:56 "Agree. If we set the precedent here, we should change the rules for all future proposals." <- so I set it like that? 15:30:02 100xmr or 1xmr, same difference 15:30:11 and we shouldnt massively overpay if we can use the 1k xmr on something else 15:30:56 We shouldnt pay to GF in any case. Should stay within CCS. This is my preference whether 0.01xmr or 100xmr 15:31:16 agreed 15:31:44 Can you please on voting consider that I will change overfunding goes to CCS then? 15:31:51 but vthor wants his proposal merged or not. seems like we cant get a clear vote with the overfunding thing? 15:32:11 Overfunding is a sep issue that should change the ccs rule 15:32:29 remove the clause 15:32:40 and form a workers union 15:32:40 let them hadle it 15:32:42 handle* lol 15:32:50 Vthors proposal can likely drop the clause altogether and be voted on w/o it 15:33:17 plowsof: will do, only can't follow here and change on the web interface at the same time... 15:33:30 is there loose consensus for merging without the overfunding clause 15:33:57 +1 from me without overfunding clause 15:35:33 Votes on proposal look good 15:35:38 On gitlab* 15:35:41 +1 15:35:42 I hope I catched all in the change if not I will correct it later again. 15:35:57 the tweeter shows positive community engagement, or at least, that it has been revived, oh vthor you forgot to link your overly invasive progrss tracker 15:36:23 please share the link again, but seems we can merge without the clause 15:36:23 moving on 15:36:45 b. [Carrot animated video](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/506) 15:37:00 :D https://diosdelrayo.github.io/ there will be visible when and how much on which task I'm working. Still fixing real time (needs js) 15:37:09 this proposal has received no edits/comments from SimplifiedPrivacy.com , only my comment clarifying that they can make videos on ANY topic - i just so happened to suggest the carrot topic 15:37:22 we still have a video on the ccs funding page 15:38:23 it seems video proposal are not gaining as much traction as other proposals https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/ (i can't even make this comment as my own proposal looked like i was being fired before a whale topped it up) 15:38:51 id rather have vosto than this 15:39:26 and xenu who has been pushing out content of his own on the youtubes 15:39:38 Do you have vosto work examples ? I don't remember having seen any of his videos 15:39:57 how dare you ask for examples when theyre linked in the proposal. mods? 15:40:10 Theyre on getmonero.org faq 15:40:29 Didnt you port the website?!! 15:40:44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsNOi0lpiyM 15:41:15 syntheticbird @ https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/VOSTOEMISIO-FCMP-Animated-Explainer.html 15:41:20 i think we can move on? 15:41:22 ofrnxmr i did. didn't know it was his work 15:41:43 lol 15:41:49 c. [Draft: Audit monero-serai and monero-wallet](https://gist.github.com/kayabaNerve/3723d0a3f2b62ef8ef00c0c4a574fb8e) 15:41:51 Sorry. I thought this started in twenty minutes. Have I missed anything I should've been here for? 15:41:51 well this video is 2 magnitudes better 15:41:56 kayabanerves 15:41:58 oh, perfect timing 15:42:03 literally perfect timing 15:42:27 id like to register a permanent +1 on all kayaba proposals good till i change it 15:42:34 Voiced support for this during the MRL meeting. 15:42:39 so the previous 2 MRL meetings , as noted by Rucknium, was a loose consensus for merging (i sprinkled some pings here earlier) 15:42:45 in kayabanerve we trust 15:42:51 I +1'd this as well 15:43:05 That CCS is the draft of the CCS I'd publish once I have the amount finalized (my personal estimate is 750-1000 XMR). The MRL has given their approval *with knowledge of my estimate*. 15:43:07 linked some of those comments here https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20241026#c451722 15:43:12 They did not solely rule on the content yet also the pricing *assuming the pricing follows my estimate*. 15:44:31 thanks all for the input and kayabanerve for gathering feedback, i think we can leave it at positive merge sentiment 15:44:39 hopefully cypherstack have not been handed a blank cheque :) 15:45:15 I don't know if I have a vote or if it even matters, but I would also +1 15:45:36 Great. In that case, I hope to have the estimate early next week, and I'll post the CCS with it. I presume that'll stay up for whatever comment period luigi feels valuable? But if there's no notable concerns raised, should be smooth smailing :) 15:45:46 ok thanks, lets move on 15:45:58 d. [Suggestion for re purposing Outreach funds](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/70#note_26878) 15:47:13 do we actually have these funds for real or were they stolen and replaced by GF? 15:47:13 36.68 "outreach" abandonned funds. geonic suggests they go toward publicity for the upcoming Monerotopia (November 14-17 in Mexico City). 15:47:34 What publicity exactly? Who is going to do it? 15:47:51 Im all for the intent but it sounds pretty vague obviously 15:48:14 monerobull: that is coincidentally my recent request, we (the ccs wallet) does not have those funds* they reside in the GF wallet, but, the funds will be returned to the ccs wallet soon. 15:48:15 imo write them off then 15:48:17 so yes the ccs wallet has those funds to repurpose* 15:49:42 we cant just roll the entire theft onto the gf. neros were taken and i dont think we should act like we can just take them from gf 15:49:43 so that would be a vote for making a merge request to raise funds for monerotopia publicity (being agnostic of the outreach funds from the abandoned proposal?) 15:50:09 monerobull: thats already happened(happening) 15:50:18 especially the abandoned funds should just be written off imo 15:50:21 where do you think the haveno funds are coming from 15:50:33 hm true 15:50:35 anyway 15:50:49 or xmrsigner.. or... 15:51:23 monerotopia should make a new request then, yeah 15:51:37 from the linked comment ", I'm asking for preliminary approval to spend up to 36.68 XMR on marketing Monerotopia. A full report with invoices and payments will be provided when requesting payout." 15:51:50 I think a new request is the only way to logically claim funds 15:52:03 i agree with ofrnxmr. 15:52:44 I'm not against repurposing the funds but making a detailed PR would be preferable. I don't see what's urgent to request a preliminary approval 15:52:44 it is not from monotropia, and it's pretty short on time now. For me it makes sense. But now I need really to ask if I have a vote or if I even should shut up :/ 15:52:57 i think we need at least a blurry outline, for example id say no if the plan is to spend it all on facebook ads 15:53:01 so create a normal merge request for 36.68 xmr that would be moved to work in progress, rather than funding (if successful) 15:53:11 a formal request for an unknown amount 15:53:20 from the comment: "A public relations agency was recommended and they will be coming back with a proposal by Monday. " 15:53:32 And to update the proposal accordingly with info and amounts 15:54:09 ending with geonic confirming he " would be responsible for running the campaign and Doug is OK with me making the ask." 15:54:28 yeah, but asking in a comment isnt a real request 15:54:53 need to formalize it and track the discussion on the MR's gitlab 15:55:01 loose consensus for making a merge request then? seems the comment was made on short notice 15:55:21 plowsof without Doug or Sunita confirming that such... human being will lead that goal, I would not repurpose or merge a brand-new proposal, regardless of community consensus, invoices, receipts, or prayers. 15:55:22 the idea of running a publicity fund for monerotopia though? any sentiments to share on that? 15:55:32 rottenwheel finger on the pulse please 15:55:51 ah yes, doug needs to confirm it * 15:55:53 Not against, as long as my condition is met. 15:55:58 It depends on the funds are paying for 15:56:05 geonic has MC'd for them previously though right? 15:56:21 Monerokon, not sure about monerotopia 15:56:25 Supposedly. 15:56:29 understood rottenwheel thank you 15:56:30 what means MC'd btw? 15:56:36 Mic controller 15:56:45 master of ceremonies 15:56:51 :D 15:56:54 lets get ready to rummmblleee! 15:56:59 iiiiiiiitss tiiiiiime! 15:57:26 geo said he did so at topia 15:57:26 "master of ceremonies" <- serious answer? 15:57:30